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Author Topic: Confirmation of OU devices and claims  (Read 281253 times)

Offline itsu

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1080 on: July 09, 2019, 09:57:45 PM »
Itsu,
I think you comes into a situation where the super caps acts more or less as a shortcut also (extremely low impedance, as LEDs) when loading them.
My advise is to introduce some type of buck- converter in between the secondary coils [the gathered (high) DC voltages] and the  super cap.
These buck- converters can be made to have a very high efficiency ( >95%).
 
Regards Arne

Good idea Arne,  i have a boost/buck converter which i can use,  so i will give it a try.

Almost finished my 10th coil.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1081 on: July 09, 2019, 10:00:31 PM »

Here my setup on checking up on the cooling effect as mentioned by A.king21.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkGvfMnGrVo


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1082 on: July 09, 2019, 10:27:16 PM »
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Only to show what organized is possible. !
Beginning with the moment that this Tesla coil assembly propagated by Mr.Friedrich shows really OU effect or  equivalent high energy savings by LED lamps use the industry brings fast the coil price down to 1 US$ each.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1082 on: July 09, 2019, 10:27:16 PM »
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Offline rickfriedrich

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1083 on: July 09, 2019, 10:37:34 PM »
Void,
It's obvious that you have not watched very many of my videos, and probably don't even watch them all the way through. I'm not sure why you fault me for implying some of my setups are OU. Is there something wrong what that? Especially when I don't claim to prove things through video. So there you go, you guys fault me for not showing videos. Then I show one and then you fault me for implying OU or free energy. Then you assume that some arbitrary number of meters shown in a video is required or would prove OU somehow.

Can we stop with the lies here and have a rational discussion about what the expectations are, and justify such expectations.

Just because I don't try to prove OU over the internet (as indeed the title of a recent video stated) doesn't mean I don't have all the meters for all this research or know how to use them, or actually use them all the time. See the problem with you guys is that you are still trying prove OU to yourselves. I'm not trying to convince myself of something I use daily. My teaching is not really focused on the basic levels anymore as I did that many years ago. I have a few videos that do some basic teachings and I am putting together something right now along those lines. Obviously you are looking for something specific and taking your angst out on me here.  :P If you look through enough of my videos there is something for everyone. I didn't do very good quality videos as I really have not had the time over the years. I will soon restart all the videos to be much better quality. I don't take youtube very seriously anyway so they are what they are. As I wrote, these are for my customers and not usually for the general public.

I am not deceiving the public. If that was the case then people would say that. I have thousands of repeat customers and I only do this because they ask for it.

I think you are rather mistaken here and are probably confusing someone else's post with mine. When or where did I say I never implied my setups are OU? I don't usually use that term as I have another understanding of it than y'all do. It doesn't matter to me what definitions you want to use, but over unity is anything above unity. Unity is ambient, so anything above and below that that is powering something is over unity. I know that is not what people usually mean by OU, but there are several ambiguous meanings. People also don't like free energy, but it usually means more of what people are meaning by OU. However, OU is also many times implied to be a self-runner. That is not always what I am after in a setup. Sometimes I have motor systems that rotate batteries around. Some of you would say that is not a self-runner even if it is automated. But these become word games real fast. This is why I said you all have to start at the beginning and begin by showing Kirchhoff is not universal like Lewin showed. Show first that 5 or 10% more energy exists than what should be there. If you can't agree to starting there I ask why not? Use your meters to see more total power on the primary loop and then consider other outputs. Once you do that then you will be in more of a position to appreciate the loving paths idea and addition gains. But people are wanting to skip that and jump into the big gains. As if it is all or nothing. There is no rule that says that. So whether you get 5% or 50% or 95% or 200% more output than what it takes to input, why is any of these more important than the other?

Anyway, I never said I don't imply OU in some of my videos. Most of my videos imply that. So it shows you are not really paying attention. Or maybe you are just trying to create confusion here.

As for measurements, you also have to consider what people can understand. While I do constantly converse with EEs and advanced scientists who are actually at the top of the industry, many of my customers and people on these forums and YouTube would not understand such readings and math and I am trying to avoid over-complicating things. People just want to know how to make it work. If they can rotate batteries around or even just power another load while they run their fan with the same input then they are happy. But as for online forums like this, unless you realize what the meters even mean then what do they matter? I have addressed the meter issues already, but you all opted out of that discussion. Anyway, I don't go by a five minute meter reading. I look at systems over months and years.

Just because you and other people have difficulty in measuring impulses does not mean it is a meaningless or folly system as you say. You need to justify that comment more than just saying it. Says who? Why is anything but self-looping folly? I have worked with motor systems all my life, since 16 years old when I became a full-time mechanic. I have had two electric cars and several electric boats and many electric motors (most of these self-running). Why would it be merely folly to have something more than 100% efficient which was less than 200%? People actually are more open to something that is more efficient than something that is too efficient. So putting out motors that are 115%, which is actually being done, creates a lot more sales.

To say that someone is deluded or dishonest for saying or selling something less than what you are demanding is actually foolish. Most people on this forum would disagree with you. It may be what you are after but it is not foolish to consider less than that, especially in many circumstances. Do you want to go 50% more with your electric car? Is it foolish for someone to do that rather than another 100%? 

Rick, it is not about belief at all. It's about facts. I commented that I have watched a number of your
videos and it is an undeniable fact that you imply that some of your setups are OU in some of your videos, but it is also clear to me that either you do not have a basic understanding of how to do proper measurements to determine the real efficiency of your circuits, or you are dishonest and deliberately avoid doing proper measurements to mislead people into buying your products. Whether you are deliberately misleading people, or you are deluded, or whether it is a combination of both or whatever else, I don't know, but it is clear to me that you are just another person out there misleading the public with false claims. You then turn around in forums like this and claim you have never implied some of your setups are OU. That is blatantly false. I am not at all interested in your
rationalizations and deflections. Save it for the gullible. I am just pointing out what I have observed.

I think a COP > 1 might be possible. However, when working with AC or pulsed circuits where
accurate measurements can sometimes  be complex or otherwise quite tricky, an experimenter really
has to  configure the test setup to be 'self-looped' and then test if the setup can be made self sustaining.
All else is folly. Many people have posted to these forums over the years thinking they have COP > 1,
but it all falls apart when they try to properly self loop the setup and see if it can self sustain itself.

Anyone who claims or implies a COP > 1 without trying a proper self-looped arrangement first
is either very naive or very deluded or very dishonest.  Period.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1084 on: July 09, 2019, 11:13:26 PM »
Here my setup on checking up on the cooling effect as mentioned by A.king21.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkGvfMnGrVo


Itsu


That was not my setup. I just replicated your setup and itis not cold. I was using the DSE.
Anyhow before we get into my setup can you measure the voltage across the bulb please?
 

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1084 on: July 09, 2019, 11:13:26 PM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1085 on: July 09, 2019, 11:16:01 PM »
I have thousands of repeat customers and I only do this because they ask for it.

You have thousands of customers X 150USD kit = 150 000USD.
And they are not buying only cheapest kit.

But you are not living from that!

People are coming to you, because you are promoting your kits as OU.
They will not come to you if your kits are not OU.

And you must start measure your circuits to see what really happens in there.
You can not claim without measuring!

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1086 on: July 09, 2019, 11:23:57 PM »
   itsu, Gyula:   Why is there a difference when comparing a multi secondary coils pulsing system like what you've shown, to a radio station.   Does the radio station loose it's transmitting power depending on how many people's radios are tuning in to it?
   Why would adding more receiving coils, not work the same? But, it doesn't, normally, adding more coils bring down the total working voltage, and output at the load (led). WHY?  I ask.
   itsu, did placing coils inside of the main coil, help, or not? 
   What the hell,  I'll be nice... once the dust clears...and the truth comes out. Would be good to know, one way or the other.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Offline seaad

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1087 on: July 09, 2019, 11:45:34 PM »
NickZ
A radio station "spits out" say 10 000 Watt.
Each receiver picks up about 0.ooo ooo oo5 Watt

( 0.ooo5 Volt sqr/ 50 Ohm =Watt )

As a bacteria steps upon your toe. Do you feel it?  :)

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1088 on: July 10, 2019, 12:04:32 AM »
   And if you multiply that times a few million radios tuned in???
   So, why not use a lot more juice? Why mAs, why leds, the incandescent bulbs won't work?   
   Dr. Stiffler showed that he could light several 120v 12w cree led bulbs on flea farts. But, did not show a self runner doing that.        Why do I always talk about self runners? Because, that's what I'm here for. Lighting a few leds, I can do with a small 10 watt solar panel, already. Guys like itsu have big solar set ups, already. Pulsing leds is almost a joke, for him.
   I think that the real issue here is that Rick does not want to show or prove in any way that what he has is OU, or can self run.   And so, that's where this is all at. I really can't blame his for that, if true, as it can get you into trouble.
No other guys are showing anything like that anymore, either. So, it's really up to us, guys.
   

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Offline rickfriedrich

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1089 on: July 10, 2019, 01:34:43 AM »
Not sure what you are saying here.
Yes I have many of these coils. You can't make that here for that price. I'll be making these kinds of coils available soon as I have a very good connection now. And remember, I mentioned the Phase Lock Loop coils as an excellent first half of the Don Smith setup. I showed at my last meeting how you could take three off the shelf products like this and do a complete Don Smith system really easy.
No one said anyone has to buy my kit. It was merely providing something to learn resonance. I also have a 89 page book that is part of the kit that is the most significant part. These bigger coils would be harder to learn from as the voltage is too high, etc. But I demonstrated 4 or so of these at the last meeting.

https://m.banggood.com/DIY-Mini-Tesla-Coil-Module-Unassembled-15W-DC-15-24V-2A-Plasma-Speaker-Electronic-Kit-p-1326817.html       
                                                                 4.29 US$ ( Tesla coil price part ?)

Only to show what organized is possible. !
Beginning with the moment that this Tesla coil assembly propagated by Mr.Friedrich shows really OU effect or  equivalent high energy savings by LED lamps use the industry brings fast the coil price down to 1 US$ each.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1090 on: July 10, 2019, 01:44:12 AM »
Good point. The DSE is rather important.
So I actually watched the video. This could be done with many coils all around the outside as well.


That was not my setup. I just replicated your setup and itis not cold. I was using the DSE.
Anyhow before we get into my setup can you measure the voltage across the bulb please?

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1090 on: July 10, 2019, 01:44:12 AM »
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Offline rickfriedrich

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1091 on: July 10, 2019, 01:59:49 AM »
You are again twisting what I write. I never said I don't get my living from my kits or sales. I said the resonance kit just keeps it going and I really make nothing from it. It is something along the lines of an open source gift. And everything I have shared here has obviously been for free. And what I am doing right now with this new presentation is putting myself out of business. My object is to show people the themes or principles so that they can actually take energy from their existing appliances so that they don't even have to buy much of anything. So would you just stop with all your lies and twisting??

You just don't get it. I only started this work because people have asked for specific parts and chargers and motors. Every single product I have sold both as a publisher for 26 years and in this work, was because someone asked for it. So I made a service available. I didn't advertise but these people told others and bought again. I don't ever push sales. I am not a salesman at all. The kits were started because people asked for them on the groups. I only made the kits for the groups. They were online and people didn't understand what these were without being part of the groups. So it didn't happen as you assume. So now if people look at these parts they will call me and ask me a question before they buy something. Or email me, or ask on youtube, etc. Why do you assume the worst all the time? And even lie about it?

Again I don't use the word OU the way you do so read what I wrote. I use the words free energy and self-runner, etc., to be more specific. These setups are also dynamic and can be run several different ways. So there are no standard numbers. In regards to the batteries, the bigger the batteries the more output there will be. That is how the energy works. There are four different processes I have with these motors, so more than 3 options on how to run the motors. You just don't understand anything about me or my work, videos, products, etc.

You have thousands of customers X 150USD kit = 150 000USD.
And they are not buying only cheapest kit.

But you are not living from that!

People are coming to you, because you are promoting your kits as OU.
They will not come to you if your kits are not OU.

And you must start measure your circuits to see what really happens in there.
You can not claim without measuring!

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1092 on: July 10, 2019, 02:13:18 AM »
Nick, this is a very important question you ask. I'm glad you are finally beginning to realize this. Now we have some progress towards the beginning steps here.  ;D Once you guys can see, by experience, that you can have many coils with loads placed all around the transmitter, and which only lower the input power, then the cat is out of the bag. At that point you can begin to start on a Don Smith system. Then you can go back and read what I have shared and you will see that I was just trying to help you guys. Once you can understand that the magnetic flux can have multiple passes through many external coils then you will be more ready to see how you can have the flux multiply in L2 with quarter wave length, etc. The multi coil system is but an easy way to see how you can multiply the output without any serious fine tuning. Now if you can't find any benefit in that then you may as well throw in the towel because the real deal with the L1 L2 will be more difficult to learn.

   itsu, Gyula:   Why is there a difference when comparing a multi secondary coils pulsing system like what you've shown, to a radio station.   Does the radio station loose it's transmitting power depending on how many people's radios are tuning in to it?
   Why would adding more receiving coils, not work the same? But, it doesn't, normally, adding more coils bring down the total working voltage, and output at the load (led). WHY?  I ask.
   itsu, did placing coils inside of the main coil, help, or not? 
   What the hell,  I'll be nice... once the dust clears...and the truth comes out. Would be good to know, one way or the other.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1093 on: July 10, 2019, 03:25:55 AM »
You guys do realize that the angle enlarges at the square of the distance don't you? So what does that mean a mile away rather than a few inches or feet away?
The problem for you guys is that the kit was not made for you. The kit was not made for huge power either. It was meant to be small for safety and to learn the sensitive relationships. None of you know these basics as you have all revealed. So you are not even at the beginning yet. The joke is really on you because in the end you will all see how foolish you have been.
Let me ask you, do you really want to learn these things at 100W and 1000W levels? With what I have seen so far, some of you would probably kill yourselves. Or maybe you will just risk Itsu's life. The small LED lets you see the subtle changes and this obviously important. Everyone can see that Itsu is just now starting to see some really basic things here. So why all the mockery?

Your hear for a self-runner but you really are not. You don't care to learn how OU works. I already told you but all you do is mock. If you can't take baby steps with small LEDs then you can't digest solid food yet, or even milk.
I don't see Itsu thinks this is a joke or else he would not be doing this. Even G understands there is something here. Even Nick spends so much time coming back here because he knows it is true. You just are pushing for more. Just have some patience and build a foundation.
You think this or that. You directly distort what I say and are merely pushing for some reaction. I already told you perhaps 100 times now that I do not try and prove anything over the internet. I am not a fool like many of you who live in confirmation bias and mock those who expose that pernicious practice. In the real world I prove this all day long. I demonstrated more OU systems in public than anyone I have known or read about. I'm not claiming in private, as many others have shown way more than me in private. But how many people can you think of who have demonstrated OU in the last 100 years in public? How many people have demonstrated rider lawnmowers, 12' and 26' boats, watercrafts, and taught thousands of people to make their fans also charge batteries? Over 1000 people have come to meetings and seen several systems run. This were not closed meetings and people have known about these meetings for 10 years now. I have made 450 pound motors energizers for the general public. These are no joke. I have demonstrated these, but more importantly my customers have demonstrated these things to themselves.

As for getting in trouble, I have had a lot of trouble for doing all this which you pretend I haven't done. And yes there are lines that if crossed result in trouble. Stan crossed that line eventually. He should have just quietly sold systems here and there as some people have done over the years. But he ran with it and expected to change the world rapidly. Others tried to work with the US patent office, and that would not work unless you are wise enough to back up your controversial claims with prior art. Others were allowed to lease out their systems and become a power company. Then you are just one of them, and that is fine because you are not challenging the system. The truth is people can't really change fast anyway.
Because of this there is not going to be a kw Don Smith system sold on the open public market by anyone. The motor energizer systems are the line for various reasons. They can be built large. I have designed 1/4 MW systems for large battery systems. It is all the same as the small systems but you have to have a lot better framing and use IGCTs for the switching. The positive advantages of these systems is that they are not fuel or weather related. And the batteries get better over time. So they are almost a universal solution in today's world that is only increasing battery usage in alternative energy and grid systems. But completely magnet motors will not be allowed. And any system that competes with weapons systems also. Anything unsafe either. Anything too powerful in a small area. All those systems are all old news and are being done but you will never see them available to the general public any time soon. It doesn't take much to understand why...

   And if you multiply that times a few million radios tuned in???
   So, why not use a lot more juice? Why mAs, why leds, the incandescent bulbs won't work?   
   Dr. Stiffler showed that he could light several 120v 12w cree led bulbs on flea farts. But, did not show a self runner doing that.        Why do I always talk about self runners? Because, that's what I'm here for. Lighting a few leds, I can do with a small 10 watt solar panel, already. Guys like itsu have big solar set ups, already. Pulsing leds is almost a joke, for him.
   I think that the real issue here is that Rick does not want to show or prove in any way that what he has is OU, or can self run.   And so, that's where this is all at. I really can't blame his for that, if true, as it can get you into trouble.
No other guys are showing anything like that anymore, either. So, it's really up to us, guys.
 

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1094 on: July 10, 2019, 04:48:33 AM »
Rick:  Itsu's video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9dLj5MrAHY


3 minutes in -  inserting a relay coil causes output to go UP and input to go DOWN.






WHY ARE WE IGNORING THIS!!!


It's like the forum has  Cognitive dissonance

 

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