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rickfriedrich

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #765 on: June 27, 2019, 04:32:33 PM »
Mario,
This is very good to hear. That's what I have been trying to say for some time. I think people overthink it and underthink it. People do not understand the simplicity and gains of resonance and do not get the way the gains work with impulsing. Also negative energy engineering.

Kirchhoff doesn't apply in a true open system. That is a many body system or network. It is a basic "rule" for a single body loop that doesn't have any impulse or resonance (oscillatory energy), or at least ignores the total environmental changes or effects of these processes. It is like measuring and only considering DC while ignoring the turning on or off of the DC. It is an oversimplification of everything that is actually taking place for convenience. You have to ignore the other body reactive loops or prevent them from existing to ensure Kirchhoff's rule works. But if we include the turning on and off of a circuit then it reveals that it never actually applies ever. So it is basically only a rule for a closed loop constant current measurement part of the entire time. It is convenient for some purposes but is very misleading in how it is assumed to be a universal law associated with a misunderstood conservation of energy law. For as soon as you consider the reactive loops in most circuits you find additional energy manifestations here and there that are in addition to the primary loop which I call the death loop (that which kills the source charge). So this is the first point or theme to master in the Selfish Circuit or Loving Paths teaching on free energy. You have to admit to the Loving Paths which are the Tesla reactive loops and understand the single body limited death loop is (analogously selfish) not the only option nor is it even common. Whenever we have impulsing we have another reactive loop appearing in the local environment that we have to deal with at the on and off times in the process. These are problems to be solved and no one really bothers to notice or measure the possible gains from such additional loops. No one wants to consider these as additional loops because a misunderstanding of Kirchhoff is manipulated into the psyche of the student till they are brainwashed. It is a problem to be solved not another body that can be measured or engineered for positive purpose as Tesla and others like me have been doing for 100 years. Walter Lewin drew attention to this dirty little secret and exposed all college textbooks and professors as deceivers.

So this really is the beginning and end of the matter. Once you get the first stage process in the Loving Paths teaching you will be able to just do "more of the same" in the other stages as you add more and more other body reactive loops wherever you want. It is crazy simple. And when it clicks with someone it can bring tears of amazement and laughter. I have seen this happen a few times in the last few weeks. Two friends shared their similar experience saying "we have finally arrived at the moron level of understanding" in reference to the way Don Smith mentions learning the Don Smith Effect requires the moron level of understanding. So it really is easier to understand than everyone assumes. That is why I keep pushing the elimination of assumptions and the prejudice principle and I find that all this is 90 to 95% psychological/spiritual.

Once this hurdle of assumption is overcome and people focus on what they already know, and admit it fully, deep down in their belly, that the reactive loops can provide additional energy that can be useful, then the idea of free energy can be embraced, and that Kirchhoff is understood to be a basic idea apart from the total environmental picture/reality. Suddenly we wake up to a wonderful new world of opportunity. A highly dynamic and reactive world which has no limit to the chain of effects. We go from blindness to sight, from 2D to 3D experience. From single body blind restrictions to the interacting community of living organisms.

Once we accept that a circuit can, and often does, have more than one loop, then the door opens and everything else follows. Stage two then makes sense, and stage three become possible. But without a solid understanding of the basics in stage one then all attempts or considerations of stage three are wishy washy. This is why I realized the need to fully establish the foundations in this teaching and experience. Without the proper many reactive bodies teaching then people have vague notions of free energy which they try to realize (like we find with G's statement on the matter) by guessing and hoping that some random combination of parts in a circuit may eventually show some OU. This really never happens as I have seen so many people try that for 30 years. Even if they do stumble upon something, they then make all their efforts to enshrine that one experience and would probably lose it. This is what we hear happen from time to time when people get some unusual results. Notice the way they talk about it (even on this thread we read the same) as exactly the way I describe. It is some mysterious thing they are hoping to preserve, and it is merely about some circuit arrangement of parts. The focus is on parts as if they are special. There is no real or clear understanding of additional reactive bodies in contrast to single source-killing resistive body circuits. Very few people get that essential starting point in free energy research among all the hundreds of thousands or millions of people. So you can see why I am stressing this.

Once that is embraced and experienced then you move forward with a big grin on your face. It is somewhat analogous to being born again in the new realization and the new opportunity to engineer new loving paths of giving. Then the golden rule kind-of-teachings about it being better to give than receive make sense and become your mission in life. Here it becomes your new research awareness and pursuit. You are seeking to develop many body reactive loops for multiplying energy outputs. This is theme 1 "without which you can do nothing." Implied in theme 1 is additional themes of impulse energy as a real gain, and oscillatory energy as a real gain. Impulse is never alone but creates a reactive loop experience that needs to be dealt with and can be used for gains. Oscillating energy in resonance tank circuits also are in an additional reactive loop environment that can give a useful gain beyond the over simplistic Kirchhoff loop sum total. So these three core themes of free energy are at the heart of the Tesla technology and free energy research. There are also magnetic loops that are similar. And these four themes are the foundation for all electrical free energy systems. So I have said that once you get them then everything is easy and easily understood.

You can easily multiply additional reactive electrical or magnetic loops once you understand what open (additional) loops mean. In my book I show the three types. Chapter 1 is two wire additional body loops. Chapter 2 is single wire additional bodies as in Tesla's examples. Chapter 3 is wireless. And in addition there are some magnetic additional body loops with the motor systems (which also can relate to the parallel paths ideas). This is why I decided to give this important foundation a catchy name Selfish Circuits or Loving Giving Paths. It is an offence to some people because it rebukes not only their greedy prejudiced death loop circuit but also their personal character that is selfish. But once you open your heart and mind to sharing the grace of God to others than yourself you can feed the 5000 with a few loaves and fishes. You have to just create more reactive means to "match" the additional bodies. Each person needs to eat more bread and fish. So we do "more of the same" first stage process. If the first stage created a reactive additional multiplication of the energy, then we can do that again.

That should at least be granted as possible. The only difficult part is doing it in a way that can be endless. And that is more difficult because the entire network of reactive bodies has to be balanced or else it will produce too much energy that can destroy the harmony, or it can produce not enough to continue the multiplying. This calls for additional teaching with other themes. That is advanced teaching about phasing and magnetic and dielectric interactions with multiple reactive bodies. You have to learn impedance matching and mirroring and related processes. People are not ready for this even though they want to jump into these experiences without taking the first steps. But really, once you learn the first theme/stage you may realize that the rest is already taught and given in existing technology. You can apply what is taught beyond the college level teaching once you understand the basics of many reactive body loop networks. You can use existing math for this. The nonlinear reactive simulation software works do show you how to design all this. That is why Don Smith learned this early on and made all of his models with that software. There is no point guessing. And there are endless options with all the parts we have available.

It is all over now. People are fed up with "more of the same" of going nowhere in this research. Now the cat is out of the bag. There is no more excuse for anyone who reads this. There is no more need to find free energy when it is clearly spelled out here. The foundations are laid. No longer be fooled by the games of personality cults people. The game has been to try and hide the foundations so that you depend upon someone or some product as your answer. They have tried to make it mysterious or complicated so that you would not get it. That is the free energy teachers have mislead you for a long time. And the schools have done the same thing for greed. They have made a convoluted system to divert you from the simplistic truths that God revealed in His creation. They control you by the death loop to kill the source charge. They don't want you to experience and share the grace of God.

Hi Rick,
ok, I think it finally clicked. This is actually much easier than I thought and very similar to what I have tried countless times over the last years. I just had not understood that with series resonant setups there will be zero voltage across them, and thus is why kirchoff doesn't apply and why you can multiply many setups in series... It's resonance pure at its finest.
There is only one arrangement that gives you zero voltage across it, and as Bearden wrote in one of his papers describing the one wire: "...this i why Tesla so favored series resonance..."


Question: can the load (low impedance) be inserted directly in the middle of each series arrangement, or is a loosely coupled secondary coil more suitable in order to not ruin resonance?


thanks,
Mario

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #766 on: June 27, 2019, 10:17:26 PM »
So i hooked up all the 6 new coils DC outputs parallel to each other and hooked it up the a 15F supercap stack.
No load on this supercap for now.

Gate driver is running on a 12V battery (12.43V) and pulls 112ma when in resonance and loaded with the 6 coils about 5cm away.

Voltage across the big coil when in resonance and loaded this way is about 2800V (@ 12V square wave input), see screenshot.

The (increasing) voltage on the supercap is about 9.6V and current around 69mA (using the current probe and confirmed by a temporary inserted 1 ohm 1% inductionfree resistor).


Putting the 6 coils closer to the big coil decreases the input current (88mA), but also less current is left for charging the supercap (59mA).

This looks like the same effect as seen earlier with my smaller coils.

Doing some more tests......

Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lht-NuijLoM


Itsu


I did some tests looking for sympathetic resonance (sorry for he pronunciation in the video) between 3 new coils setup in line with the big coil.

12.4V on the gate driver, 3700V on the big coil in resonance (180Khz).

The 3 coils in line with the big coil each have a 3W led attached which it lit according to their distance to the big coil.

Changing the distance inbetween the 3 new coils does not influence the last not lit led.
Only when putting the middle coil ontop of the last coil its led comes on dimly.

Not sure this is sympathetic resonance or plain transformer action, i guess the latter.

Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8pl1KxBq90


Itsu
 

Hoppy

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #767 on: June 27, 2019, 10:32:02 PM »
Excellent demo Itsu. Maybe Rick can conduct a similar test setup and measurement video with his coil arrangement to show OU.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #768 on: June 27, 2019, 11:06:31 PM »

I did some tests looking for sympathetic resonance (sorry for he pronunciation in the video) between 3 new coils setup in line with the big coil.

12.4V on the gate driver, 3700V on the big coil in resonance (180Khz).

The 3 coils in line with the big coil each have a 3W led attached which it lit according to their distance to the big coil.

Changing the distance inbetween the 3 new coils does not influence the last not lit led.
Only when putting the middle coil ontop of the last coil its led comes on dimly.

Not sure this is sympathetic resonance or plain transformer action, i guess the latter.

Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8pl1KxBq90


Itsu
 

Itsu, after watching your video above, I'm curious as to what happens with the input energy to the transmitting coil when you stack the receivers?  If I understand correctly, you are measuring the power input to the gate driver which will remain fairly constant, but it should increase or decrease as the top device in the driver is supplying current to the transmitter coil.

The consideration here is that the coupling between the receiver coils will be less when all are placed on the same horizontal plane but significantly increased when placed end to end like when you stacked them.  With each receiver being tuned to resonance individually, there may be a unique situation going on when they are then coupled tighter via stacking!

Just a thot and since you already have the test setup, curious minds would like to know!!

Edit: OOps, I didn't watch the last minute or so of your video in which you answered my question so please disregard.

Regards,
Pm 

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #769 on: June 28, 2019, 12:29:27 AM »
Itsu and others looking at your scope shot's it appears your pumping an inductor with a square wave that is producing a 50/50 sine wave, isn't that just an AM carrier wave that incurs the normal losses any old AM rig would incur ?

Sorry lads but i'm sure lots of you have fridges and on those fridges you must have magnets, have you ever given it a thought where the energy comes from for that to happen ? imagine if you could turn that energy on and off  ;D
AG
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #770 on: June 28, 2019, 01:28:08 AM »
Itsu:  Try experimenting with an earth ground.

seaad

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #771 on: June 28, 2019, 10:15:11 AM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #772 on: June 28, 2019, 10:16:51 AM »

I did some tests looking for sympathetic resonance (sorry for he pronunciation in the video) between 3 new coils setup in line with the big coil.

12.4V on the gate driver, 3700V on the big coil in resonance (180Khz).

The 3 coils in line with the big coil each have a 3W led attached which it lit according to their distance to the big coil.

Changing the distance inbetween the 3 new coils does not influence the last not lit led.
Only when putting the middle coil ontop of the last coil its led comes on dimly.

Not sure this is sympathetic resonance or plain transformer action, i guess the latter.

Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8pl1KxBq90


Itsu
 

Hi, thanks for sharing tour attempts and your courage to recreate , without the original, the resonant induction coupler kit from Rick Friedrich. I dont know if you made any progress, but your setup looks like you have. Although i guess the last coil is not perfectly matched (either by variating its induction or capacitance which are 2 faces of the same coin of resonance), which probably would explain why it doesn't light as readily. When you put it above it gets into resonance, so it lights, and to me that's because its capacitance is modified  by the  other coil's . if you try again, just  passing your hand over you could set it to light. This is one of the tuning experiments  that are in the kit, note. Other suggestion : use variable capacitors instead. ( i have not used them yet but am sure  it will be needed when i multiply  several coils of my setup, knowing that they like to  be  perfectly matched ! Cheers

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #773 on: June 28, 2019, 10:26:51 AM »
Itsu:  Try experimenting with an earth ground.
Yes we all like to play in the sand with our little one's, wile we have the time here.
but that's not the trick 'really' is it! You talk about DVD7 energy from vacuum series.
And yet you play with squiggly lines in a wire you call a sine wave, and i'm the idiot wasting space.
I ask you this, how the hell did tesla get access to HF ? cus your ignoring something he did your not.
You need to get back the Tesla's basics.
AG

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #774 on: June 28, 2019, 10:53:42 AM »
Dear Rick,
Today you are the undisputable master of this thread and I don't  see  this go away for a loooong time  !
100% of the fellas on this forum are learning from you. Some people behave badly, but has not been Jesus in the same situation while savings live and couteracting suffering ? So be our modest Light ans keep the good laughs going on.

I would love to  see you show or describe a few Ateliers around the RICK. Please note i live very far, so can not attend your europe or USA or Canada meetings... :
- how to  set up a stan Meyer fuel cell in place of a capacitor in one of the kit's tanks
- how To set up a small 1v DC (or AC) motor powered by a tank in resonance in the kit,
- how To set up a magnet pushed by the coil in one of the kit's tank, (To recreate an energizer with negative electricity )
- how To light Bulbs and LEDs from one of the resonant tanks (DONE!)
- how to get heat from one of the resonant tanks...
- a practical exercice of impedance matching in one  of the kit's tank (ie  what is that ? How to  do that ?)

...That's the kind of things i would luuuuuve to learn to do from a teacher like You, but too newbie to know. (And  not confident to build a massive HV Don Smith device !)

Please enrich your kit with these Ateliers !!!

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #775 on: June 28, 2019, 10:56:55 AM »

Thanks for the responses guys.

Hoppy,

thanks.


PM,   

yes, that last minute test needs to be repeated as my body seems to be influencing the big coil
and slight movements of my body distorts the input current into the gate driver.

More carefull and accurate measurements are needed there.

As for tightly coupling the bothy coils, i did couply them tightly by bringing them closely (almost toughing)
together (no led on) and by stacking (led on), so there obviously is a unique difference in coupling.


AG,

i use 50% duty cycle on the input square wave as that is what is being used in the original setup/kit.


A.king21,

yes,  will involve ground wires too, but my earlier tests with ground wires did not saw much difference.


seaad,

i see what you mean.



Benfr,

My coils are very similar, they all measure very close to 144uH.
Concerning the variable cap, this is more difficult as we need 5nF to get in resonance on 180KHz with the 144uH.
I can do the hand thing to influence the resonance point of the satellite coils though.
And i do not see any variable caps in the original setup/kit

Itsu

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #776 on: June 28, 2019, 11:25:00 AM »
https://www.radiomuseum.org/forum/tuned_bandpass_filters.html

The closer the pic up coils comes to each other the more the Curve looks as in pic C !
The closer the pic up coils comes to each other the more the frequency in them  will be detuned / off the center frequency.

The  common bottom coupling coil, in the text not needed in our OU experiments.

Regards Arne

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #777 on: June 28, 2019, 12:24:40 PM »
Thanks for the responses guys.

AG,

i use 50% duty cycle on the input square wave as that is what is being used in the original setup/kit.


i see what you mean.

Benfr,

My coils are very similar, they all measure very close to 144uH.
Concerning the variable cap, this is more difficult as we need 5nF to get in resonance on 180KHz with the 144uH.
I can do the hand thing to influence the resonance point of the satellite coils though.
And i do not see any variable caps in the original setup/kit

Itsu
Yes Itsu  the 50% could be misleading the point pay attention, I made a 1mhz8 tesla coil, I pulse it with a 56 usec pulse
with a zero gap in the milliseconds (variable) range (thats at peek resonance) i look at the display and it's now a distorted sine wave  ;D ;D
an AM| carrier wave nothing special! so where does the magic creep in ?
Now watch JB's DVD no 7 !  or similar teach in video, whats missing ?  :-\  :-\

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #778 on: June 28, 2019, 01:05:07 PM »
Hi Arne,

It is good you show the behaviour of magnetically coupled resonant LC circuits, these characteristics are fully valid for such setups discussed here. The best energy transfer can happen when all the LC circuits mutually have the critical coupling between any and each LC circuit present in the setup, all tuned to resonance. This situation is very hard to achieve because any adjustment on any of the LC circuits influence all the others, a slow and arduous process. You mention the bottom coupling coil is not needed: I agree, it is one of the coupling methods between two resonant LC circuits, other methods include capacitive top or bottom coupling etc. In the present setup discussed here the energy goes through via mutual inductive coupling. In your drawing attached to Reply #771 you show an interesting arrangements for the receiver coils, I have not found such arrangement shown yet. Only tests can give answers how effective this array may be. 

Hi Itsu,

Very good experiments, thanks for showing and thanks for taking the trouble to do them. Regarding the test you show with placing one receiver coil onto the top of the most outer one: I think this coupling method increases the effective receiving area for those coils. The two coils mutually become the extension of each other in that position as if you had increased their length hence their number of turns.
Side notice: with an L meter the increased inductance due to the mutual coupling can be measured (when the 5nF tuning caps are removed). Notice also that the top coil gets into a physically higher position with respect to its place when it was in the middle between the innermost and the outermost coils, I mention this because earlier you showed field strength around the TX coil by a small probe coil with a indicator LED and you had a situation when there was stronger field at the top and at the bottom of the TX coil while there was little at its center, then vice verse.  This should be checked with this big TX coil having the 3.4 kVpp across it. The HV probe may also infuence the EM field distributon, unfortunately.
I can only wish you persistence to achieve your goals. 

Gyula

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #779 on: June 28, 2019, 01:41:28 PM »
Quote from: gyulasun link=topic=17491.msg535799#msg535799 da
Notice also that the top coil gets into a physically higher position with respect to its place when it was in the middle between the innermost and the outermost coils, I mention this because earlier you showed field strength around the TX coil by a small probe coil with a indicator LED and you had a situation when there was stronger field at the top

Yes, i agree