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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #525 on: June 12, 2019, 01:50:47 PM »
Itsu:  One further point.  When the phase conjugate mirror occured the coils went stone cold and the earth wire went stone cold. Also the big coil went stone cold.


Try this.  Measure the gauss on your big coil at start up.
Tune the big coil in and out of resonance. What does the gauss meter show?


Then attach a ground wire to the negative of your big coil at resonance . what do you see?
Then attach the ground wire to the positive of your big coil - what do you see?
Turn on a plasma ball and compare the gauss measurement.  What do you see?
Turn on a HV module and measure the gauss.  What do you see?

Thanks A.king21,

i will try to do these tests when my gaussmeter arrives (more a Magnetic- and Electric field tester).

But as also mentioned by Gyula, there will be ground(loop) problems when using my gate driver and scope,
so not all your tests are doable.

See my present circuit of the gate driver, FG and Big coil.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #526 on: June 12, 2019, 05:29:52 PM »

Itsu:

You can try isolating from the ground loop using a capacitor which is a blocking device.
Alternatively you can use a battery operated  signal generator.
You can also use the left terminal of a car battery or similar as your ground. (Tesla and Kapanadze).
What we are looking for in the "ground" is a good source of electrons.
Even your body will work but I do not recommend it for any length of time as it is not healthy.
If you use your body you will get varying results due to parasitic capacitance between your body and the big coil.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #527 on: June 12, 2019, 06:06:45 PM »

OK, i can use a battery operated FG (5V) and run the gate driver on 12V also from a battery.
Then without using the scope, i am free to use a ground wire anywhere.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #528 on: June 12, 2019, 09:48:34 PM »

Ok, i have no gaussmeter yet, but tried some things.

I used a FG (5V) on a battery directly to the Big coil LC, see circuit.
I used 2 scope probes in differential mode (CH2 - CH3) across the coil.

I set the FG to 180Khz (5V DC Square wave 50% Duty Cycle) and tune C to resonance.
Result is Math trace red (CH2 - CH3) shows 278V sine wave, temp top coil 22.9°C, bottom 22.5°C, see screenshot 1

Connection earth ground to top lead coil and retune C to resonance.
Result is Math trace red (CH2 - CH3) shows 248V sine wave, temp top coil 23°C, bottom 22.6°C, see screenshot 2

Connection earth ground to bottom lead coil and retune C for resonance.
Result is Math trace red (CH2 - CH3) shows 282V sine wave, temp top coil 22.9°C, bottom 22.5°C, see screenshot 3

I tried this severall times, also with increased time to allow heating and/or cooling.
But temperature stayed within a few tenths of a degree Celsius.

Probably this "drive" (5V from FG) was to low, but i cannot risk attaching the scope to higher voltages.
Blue is CH2 probe to top coil
purple is CH3 probe to bottom coil
red is math trace (CH2 - CH3) so voltage across the coil.

Itsu


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #529 on: June 12, 2019, 11:56:02 PM »
Itsu:  Cannot understand why your wave is a sine wave.  I have some screen shots from a dvd with the kit which shows "spike waves at various frequencies - (but using the small coils only). Unless your scope is affecting the wave form.
You have to mess around with the coils to get a phase conjugate mirror as everything affects the overall circuit.  I used 7 small coils plus the big coil. You know when you are there because your gate driver voltage won't move.  You can also use a  Hv fast  bridge rectifier between earth ground and negative of the big coil to help power the gate driver (ie charge the batteries of the gate driver).  And you can use one of the satellite coils to power the frequency generator in the same fashion.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #530 on: June 13, 2019, 12:59:13 AM »
a.king21,

Sine wave developes from the square wave with which the gate driver or the function 
generator feeds the LC circuit. This is because the LC circuit has got selectivity and allows 
oscillations only at the fundamental frequency of the square wave when they are matched
in frequency.  An LC circuit with  a decent Q factor can only oscillate the best at its fundamental 
frequency that can be calculated from the Thomson formula.   

What was the circuit in the dvd setup from which you took the scope shot? 
If it was from the kit then maybe the LC circuit was not at resonance. 
And across which two components were the scope probes connected?

Would you explain what exactly you mean on a "phase conjugate mirror"?
And you achieve such state by how?
Gyula

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #531 on: June 13, 2019, 01:05:19 AM »
I'm no authority on waveforms and my opinion if probably worth naff all but I would say Itsu has resonance where Mr King does not have enough pulses for resonance as the spikes are probably the c in the circuit charging  and discharging try adding more c or winding up f.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #532 on: June 13, 2019, 03:42:37 AM »
a.king21,



Would you explain what exactly you mean on a "phase conjugate mirror"?
And you achieve such state by how?
Gyula

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #533 on: June 13, 2019, 07:22:42 AM »

F.Y.I.

Impedance matching and the Smith chart – The fundamentals. Tried and true, the Smith chart is still
the basic tool for determining transmission line impedances, reflection co-efficients, Standing Wave Ratios, etc...

https://www.ieee.li/pdf/essay/smith_chart_fundamentals.pdf

Complex Conjugate {mirror?} - example:
"It  is  well  known that  to  get  the maximum power transfer from a source to a load, the  source impedance
must equal the complex conjugate of load impedance, or: Rs+ jXs = RL– jXL.  A Smith Chart works well for
doing just that - flip the inductance (top part of the chart) or capacitance (bottom of the chart) to the "equal
but opposite impedance" on the chart!

RF engineering basic concepts: the Smith chart

https://cds.cern.ch/record/1417989/files/p95.pdf

Your Vector Network Analyzer (VNA) likely has a "Smith Chart" built in [a decendant from the old "Slotted Line" days!]

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With respect to Negative Resistance:

Negative Resistance, in general, is an old term used where, when a network (circuit) was at, or around, resonance
the capacitive side exhibited a positive-resistive effect (positive resistance - taking current away from the network);
near or at the center resonance peak, the network exhibited zero or infinite resistive effect [series or parallel resonance];
and on the inductive side exhibited a negative-resistive effect (negative resistance - providing current into the network).
Many ways of interpreting these network (circuit) effects but thats the essence of it. The higher the network "Q" (quality
factor - lack of circuit resistance) the more pronounced are the effects.

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A bit more on Kron (may be a bit easier to read):

www.quantum-chemistry-history.com/Kron_Dat/Kron-1945/Kron-PR-1945/Kron-PR1945.htm
http://www.quantum-chemistry-history.com/index.html

http://www.quantum-chemistry-history.com/Ueberb1.htm
Kron (along with Carter) for the most part were investigating this newly discovered Network Analyzer instrument for
use in analyzing lines with respect to the Schrödinger Equations.
http://www.quantum-chemistry-history.com/Kron_Dat/KronGabriel1.htm
G. Kron and G.K. Carter, A.C. network analyzer study of the Schrödinger equation. Phys. Rev. 67, 44 - 49 (1945).
SMITH Chart and the Schrödinger Equation: [The Smith chart and quantum mechanics]
https://aapt.scitation.org/doi/10.1119/1.17262
Abstract
The Schrödinger equation and the equation describing the behavior of voltage on a transmission line are both linear
second‐order equations, which may be solved by convenient matrix methods. By drawing analogies between these
two problems, it is shown that a method used for antenna impedance matching based on the Smith chart corresponds
in quantum mechanics to a simple conformal transformation of the logarithmic derivative of the wave function. One
thereby can arrive at an elementary derivation of the Wentzel–Kramers–Brillouin quantization condition.
FIN


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #534 on: June 13, 2019, 10:57:09 AM »
Itsu:  Cannot understand why your wave is a sine wave.  I have some screen shots from a dvd with the kit which shows "spike waves at various frequencies - (but using the small coils only). Unless your scope is affecting the wave form.
You have to mess around with the coils to get a phase conjugate mirror as everything affects the overall circuit.  I used 7 small coils plus the big coil. You know when you are there because your gate driver voltage won't move.  You can also use a  Hv fast  bridge rectifier between earth ground and negative of the big coil to help power the gate driver (ie charge the batteries of the gate driver).  And you can use one of the satellite coils to power the frequency generator in the same fashion.
A.king,

i would love to replicate your spiky signal, but i have the impression that you are taking giant steps while
i am taking baby steps.

Your shown scopeshots must be from a different setup, and those tiny (mV / few volts??) signals won't be powereing
much i guess.

Anyway, not sure how to continue now as we seem to be "out of sync".


By the way, the term "Phase conjugate mirror" or "Phase conjugate resonator" was found by me years ago in
Paul LaViolette his book "Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion" (pdf here:  https://tinyurl.com/yykwhrdr )

Not sure we are talking about the same thing.

Itsu


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #535 on: June 13, 2019, 05:12:20 PM »
Hi a.king21,

Thanks for the copied pages from RF's book  as an answer to my 'phase conjugate mirror' question. 
Probably these materials were brought into the 'FE world' first by Tom Bearden, then John Bedini also
referred to Kron's papers in his early web pages http://emediapress.com/johnbedini/icehouse.net/john1/ 
and now Itsu mentioned the book by Paul LaViolette too. This kinda precedence is ok though, not my point.   
   
The problem is that the circuits (that are equivalent to a certain Schrödinger differential equation) shown from
Figure 1 to Figure 7 in friedKRON.png from Rick's book page have nothing to do with Rick's kit 
(transmitter-receiver circuit) you have been mentioning here and Itsu replicated.   

Those circuits in Figures 1 to 7 were LC networks, driven by a generator from one side and / or had a generator
inserted into the middle part of the network as shown in Figure 4/b, here is the original Kron article:
http://www.quantum-chemistry-history.com/Kron_Dat/Kron-1945/Kron-PR-1945/Kron-PR-1945.htm 

and see another full Kron paper here: 
http://www.quantum-chemistry-history.com/Kron_Dat/Kron-1945/Kron-JAP-1945/Kron-JAP-1945.htm 

So my opinion is apples are compared to oranges. But please do not be discouraged by me: show your setup
with input and output power measurements so that its uniqueness (i.e.  COP > 1)  be revealed. 

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #537 on: June 13, 2019, 09:39:42 PM »

I got my gaussmeter, which is an el cheapo electromagnetic radiation tester (GM3120) and which i know is being
used in combination with this Big coil testing.

It can measure Electric fields in V/m and Magnetic fields in uT.

An overload led (flashing) and beeper warns when radiation levels are unsafe (very often!).

Anyway, here a short introduction, see video.

I will do some tests the next days including the ones mentione by A.King21 earlier.

Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgjEDVbfVJQ


Itsu   

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #538 on: June 13, 2019, 10:32:57 PM »
Itsu:  One further point.  When the phase conjugate mirror occured the coils went stone cold and the earth wire went stone cold. Also the big coil went stone cold.


Try this.  Measure the gauss on your big coil at start up.
Tune the big coil in and out of resonance. What does the gauss meter show?


Then attach a ground wire to the negative of your big coil at resonance . what do you see?
Then attach the ground wire to the positive of your big coil - what do you see?
Turn on a plasma ball and compare the gauss measurement.  What do you see?
Turn on a HV module and measure the gauss.  What do you see?


Some quick test as mentioned above, still using the battery operated FG directly to the big coil LC, see circuit above.
No probes attached other then a loose probe laying ontop of the coil to indicate resonance.

# Using the gaussmeter without ground on the big coil, in and out of resonance.
# Then with a ground to the top of the coil, in and out of resonance.
# Finally with a ground lead to the bottom of the coil, again in and out of resonance.

Video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiN6Bd9rJAk

# adding a plasma globe into the mix which, not surprisingly, adds to the emitted RF.

Video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9iDNMmteKM

Itsu

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« Reply #539 on: June 14, 2019, 12:56:39 AM »
Greetings everyone  :)
As I decided to post some historical information on this forum today I found the response ignoring the important subject and pointing over to this discussion about my work and Resonance kit. So I thought I would post a picture of the biggest expansion of the kit done so far. Last week I had three meetings that went very well and the following pictures I took of about 75 coils being powered by one big transmitter. I didn't have time to properly set this all up so the coils are not in ideal positions. This shows what you can do with no organization. I presently have about 160 coils so I may take the time to set them all up in one big display in an upcoming video. I was able to have a good display in California last year where I was doing the phase lock in which allowed me to add many ferrite coil loads directly to the transmitter while the input went down. I did the same sort of thing at the Midwest Expo down in Indiana this year where the meter continued to go down to I believe 0.004A at 4V while we loaded down the transmitter. I never got to fully set up as everyone crowded around the whole time.

Of course this is only showing the basic form of transmission. The proper way is not like this but with a secondary within or outside around the primary like Don Smith. But this demonstrates what Don showed and was aiming for in his first model with 4 secondaries. Only this is easier and safer to do. I know y'll want overunity here but the kit was meant to teach the basics of resonance at a safe level. The red LED gives you an opportunity to notice very subtle changes. You need to learn those things first before you hurt yourself at higher power levels. I decided half way through making the kit to not only make it an overunity focus, but to also unfold the several themes related to resonance. It certainly is not a perfect kit free of mistakes, but everyone has been satisfied as far as I know. I'm still learning from it myself, and will probably continue for years even though I have all the free energy I want. We can thank Don Smith for pointing to the original kit which I have significantly improved upon. The original just came with 7 pages about Faraday's laws and showed basic transmission and crystal radio. However it was interesting to find an apparent typo when they refer to the second receiver coil as coilS with an s on the end. Maybe a hint that you could add more coils. So the truth is that I could add as many coils as I could make from here to California that would be like relay coils WITH LOADS. So these pictures give you a small taste of that.

The setup was the exact #10 stranded wire that Don Smith often used (many of which I have replicated). This was made on a 5 gallon bucket to give you the diameter. The 9 coils around it (there was a tenth that we were to put on a higher level but held it on top with it's bright bulb load not affecting the other loads) were for customers and made up of #18 wire on a 6" pvc cut tube having the same inductance and capacitance as the smaller coils (I believe 152uh with 100pf quality caps). These bigger coils naturally have higher Q which translates to higher actual gain. And yes, resonance IS A GAIN. Don't let people fool you about that.

Ideally you would properly space all these coils so that they all become both transmitters and receivers in a sympathetic relationship with each other in a way like the London bridge that was falling down (haha, no, the London millennial bridge). Once this is locked into place then we do in fact have what Kron talks about in a different context, and where you can remove the input as it is self-sustaining. And more than that, you can add loads to the transmitter and even reverse the input. This usually requires several coils around the transmitter because the output of the transmitter drops off at the square of the distance so enough has to come back into the transmitter to accomplish that (considering that you have transmission radiating almost in all directions and usually we are only placing coil just horizontally around it).

The loads off the 10 bigger coils (one not shown) were bright 3W LED bulbs, and another one was powered below off a regular coil which isn't seen in the picture. So I had at least 11 of these big LEDs and almost 70 small LEDs powered. I also added ferrite coils with these bigger bulbs that brought the input power down without lowering the loads. So for 80ma at 12V that was an okay demonstration. It's the 1 watt challenge.

Anyway, I'll post another video of all the coils running when I get caught up with other pressing matters.
Rick

Some quick test as mentioned above, still using the battery operated FG directly to the big coil LC, see circuit above.

 

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