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Author Topic: Confirmation of OU devices and claims  (Read 191268 times)

Offline endlessoceans

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #480 on: June 06, 2019, 01:04:21 AM »
  aking:   What does this have to do with OU, or self running? Are we going to have free electricity in this way?

NO.  Never.  It's close to 100% efficiency and it creates no heat but the lost 'spray' to the environment means always under Unity. 

Only way to have the "appearance" of OU is to have a fuel burning somewhere and this is where the hidden batteries, galvanic or radioactive components come in.


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #481 on: June 06, 2019, 01:04:41 AM »
Hi a.king21,

No offense but what you wrote is a fantastic techno hodgepodge... sorry to say. Similar to your earlier mentioning of
"disruptive discharge" for a max 18 Vpp square wave (which drives a resonant LC circuit) or of "Heaviside magnetic output"
or the COP 144 claim.   
The resonance system as the first one or two stages of the "DS system" have failed, it has not been proved to give
"energy multiplication".  Correct measurements by Itsu clearly resulted in underunity while Rick F or benfr clearly claimed
COP > 1 performance for the resonance system.   

Now you come along with measuring Gauss to "see the energy"...   Let's suppose that the "ultimate energy comes from the electrons in the earth grounding"  as you wrote.  Then such excess energy should manifest in driving a useful load, right?   
Why this excess energy is not demonstrated by Rick F or by benfr claiming that?   
To light a NE-2 neon bulb with the help of a resonant system is NOT energy amplification, you can do it for instance with
a step-up auto or normal transformer or with a single transistor oscillator running from 
a less than 1 V battery.  Voltage amplification - yes, energy amplification - no. 
 Remember that Nikola Tesla claimed "energy amplification" (but not with these words) only when he used up the energy
from a charged capacitor within very short time, ok?  http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/nt_on_ac.htm   

A Gauss meter measures magnetic flux intensity and it is okay that near to a resonant LC circuit it would display much stronger magnetic fields
 than a non-resonant current would create in the same coil.  BUT how do you utilize the stronger field? 
The moment you load the resonant system the Q hence the field intensity reduces immediately and here it is totally 
irrelevant whether input energy comes from your signal generator or from earth grounding or even from both.   
Why this part of the story is not  shown correctly  from those claiming 'energy amplification' ? 

Faraday's laws have never been shown to manifest excess energy, you cannot escape with it as you now attempt to
get rid of the Kirchoff's loop law... but in vain. 
Everbody should show correct measurements to prove their claims. 

Gyula


I appreciate you taking the time to formulate these questions into a post.  I have been curious of a lot of the talking points you have highlighted, just less motivated to actually make a post..  Thanks for shining the light on the semantics. 


I don’t understand how one can say that a gauss meter can show the extra energy but a scope will not.  If there is any extra energy coming from the system, the current/voltage combinations should be able to be measured to BE COP>1.  This SHOULD be measurable, aside from just a gauss meter....


Dave

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #482 on: June 06, 2019, 01:15:01 AM »


There is no "overunity" it is simply a method of agitating the ambient background using magnetic resonance and seeing the multiplication of magnetic energy by the resonant system.

If you can sit through this video the process is explained here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVnAU1FmCsg&list=UUu1hNQsr9YnkIjFkMAc3Npw&index=35


PS You need a GAUSS METER to see the energy or you are electronically blind and see only Kirchhoff's laws using meters and scopes.

Gauss meter is not necessary just an agile mind and many experiments with good logging of cause and effect.

That's correct....NO OU.   You will see the expanding wave and the 'amplification' of current and resulting excellent efficiency.  Its so stark to todays tech that it looks like OU but when you cycle the batteries you see that it is not.  Unless viewers here are flat earthers then there will never be OU and thank goodness for that.

Could I sit through that nonsense book selling video?  Its was difficult and that's an hour I will never recover.  Sad thing is I know what Rick is talking about but he never even demonstrates loads or shows practical applications.  Let me be clear.....I don't want any info from this book seller because I know the Don Smith Tesla tech.  So don't think these comments are sour grapes but with all due respect the likes of Rick F are just book sellers.  He is mentally not right in the head and he waffles for hours what could be clearly demonstrated in 2 minutes.  The biggest take away from all his videos is.....BUY MY KITS!!!!   That's it!    The only people that buy this stuff are those that dream of OU and that somehow this will make their life better.  But instead they buy a very expensive kit.....learn nothing (because RF tells them nothing) and they could have just gone out and bought a solar panel with the same money and a very good charge controller.


SNAKE OIL is always sold with the salt and pepper of Truth.   Its like a big bag of potato crisps.....tastes good because of the small amount of salted seasoning but at the end of it all you just get a bellyache because its no real substance and not real food.     That's why society is full of fat people who diet for 5 mins and then go back to the gratification fake foods that taste good.  Kool Aid effect haha

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #483 on: June 06, 2019, 01:28:53 AM »
The last thing I will say on this matter is going back to one of Don Smits LOOOOOONG symposiums.  Don was another Long winded talker just like Bearden, Bedini and friedrich. 

Truth is elegant and simple.  You can state it simply and show it.

But getting back to Don.....do you remember his convention (I don't know which vid it was) but in the end when he finally hooked up that MASSIVE suitcase (and it was massive and heavy)…..nobody was allowed to look inside and DON STATED there were batteries in it!!…..so those engineers hooked up their meters to it in front of a room of 200 people and they ran it for 10 mins.  Do any of you even remember what happened????    The engineers were impressed with the efficiency but they were also able to SEE that the battery source was GOING DOWN slowly.BUt the room was so enamoured with the big bank of lights and the thousands of watts of power ONLY ONE person said something about the source draining.   Don then mumbles something about "yeh yeh it needs tuning and its slightly off tune" WHICH IS WHAT HE ALWAYS DID WHENEVER SOMEONE STATED SOMETHING CRITICAL.

don smith did not have OU.  He had Teslas ideal system of efficiency and you dont need spark gaps and massive coils for that

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #484 on: June 06, 2019, 03:06:21 AM »

"The last thing I will say on this matter is going back to one of Don Smits LOOOOOONG symposiums.  Don was another Long winded talker just like Bearden, Bedini and friedrich. Truth is elegant and simple.  You can state it simply and show it."

Nice try endless oceans.


Explain how Don Smith obtained a granted patent for the Don Smith Effect.


You need a gauss meter or you are electronically and electrically blind to see the DSE  (Don Smith Effect)

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #485 on: June 06, 2019, 08:11:25 AM »
Dave (weetabix) whatever, what your missing like many others is explained by many on a lot of the Lithuanian threads
I can't point to any, I'm sick of it all truth be told but it is simple when you realise current is really a magnetic force like a dynamo,
then you have to stick your nano bemf pulse where it need be.

Gyula bemf that's the trick Smith won't talk about but bring in the current (magnetic flux) and it's gone.
PS all you need to measure magnetic flux is a hall chip a 5v reg and a meter simple

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #486 on: June 06, 2019, 11:06:32 AM »
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The resonance system as the first one or two stages of the "DS system" have failed, it has not been proved to give
"energy multiplication".  Correct measurements by Itsu clearly resulted in underunity while Rick F or benfr clearly claimed
COP > 1 performance for the resonance system. 
And by the quadratic dependence of the magnetic field energy on the current?  W=I^2L/2                   We have two identical coils on the same core connected in parallel. We supply current through them. When all the energy of the current goes into the energy of the magnetic field, we switch these coils from a parallel connection to serial ones using an ideal relay. What will happen?

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #487 on: June 06, 2019, 11:55:28 AM »
And by the quadratic dependence of the magnetic field energy on the current?  W=I^2L/2                   We have two identical coils on the same core connected in parallel. We supply current through them. When all the energy of the current goes into the energy of the magnetic field, we switch these coils from a parallel connection to serial ones using an ideal relay. What will happen?
you would lose it into the environment like an aerial works.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #488 on: June 06, 2019, 12:44:39 PM »
But in an oscillating circuit, for example, all the energy of the magnetic field (well, almost all, except for the loss  :( ) goes back into the current, and then into the charge of the capacitor. And so many times. Nowhere is it dissipated in the air.  ;)

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #489 on: June 06, 2019, 01:21:36 PM »
But in an oscillating circuit, for example, all the energy of the magnetic field (well, almost all, except for the loss  :( ) goes back into the current, and then into the charge of the capacitor. And so many times. Nowhere is it dissipated in the air.  ;)
Tesla used a cap a bemf coil and a cap and a bar to loop in a circle so as no dc current loop.
work out how that worked a 'hair pin' circuit


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #491 on: June 06, 2019, 04:22:15 PM »
What is benf? is a benf coil a bifilar of Tesla?
"Hair pin" is alegory?

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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« Reply #493 on: June 06, 2019, 05:33:44 PM »
Sorry I see that you asked what is BENF


that’s the new members handle who is supplying information or trying to supply information on Rick F technology
 Apologize for my misunderstanding


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #494 on: June 06, 2019, 10:55:44 PM »
What is benf? is a benf coil a bifilar of Tesla?
"Hair pin" is alegory?
What is a BENF ? no it's BEMF it's any coil that can produce a back EMF if you don't know what that is get an old relay with a 12 or 24 volt coil and put a neon bulb across the coil then dab a battery across the coil and the neon will flash that's BEMF
a jewel thief works the same way but different amounts of fly back.

The hair-pin refers to the waveform it's narrow and only a very narrow pulse a couple of nano meters  width a 10 to the -9 width or so.
A pulse like that is very special as a magnetic field takes time to manifest.

 

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