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Author Topic: Confirmation of OU devices and claims  (Read 32099 times)

Offline Void

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #75 on: November 14, 2017, 04:52:30 PM »
So,the motor is started with the switch in position A, and when up to running speed, the switch is switched to position B
The question is-->what happens when the switch is switched to position B?

Hi Brad. I can't say for sure, but I would guess that it will not help much in any way.
The batteries will continue to run down with no charge being applied to them.

From what I can see, the whole point of this type of arrangement is to send a charge to a
battery within a one second or so window while the battery is fully disconnected from driving the motor.
The reason for this is if you try to send charging pulses to the battery while the battery is still driving the
motor, that momentary charge pulse or pulses (which equates to a small momentary battery voltage increase on the battery)
will just cause the motor to drive a little bit harder while the charge pulse(s) are being applied, and there will be
little to no gain in charge in the battery.  To try to get around this problem, Bedini's approach was to disconnect
the battery from the motor for about one second, use the momentum of the big flywheel to keep the generator
up to speed, and send one or more charging pulses to the battery during this one second window where the
battery is not connected to any load.

I don't know Bedini's stuff really in depth, but the impression I get is that Bedini's OU claims for these type of setups
seems to involve having a special configuration of generator (energizer) and taking advantage of a special type
of pulsing to charge batteries in an unusual way. It seems supposedly some sort of special battery charging
action is supposed to occur which allows the batteries to charge much more efficiently than would normally occur with
more 'normal' battery charging approaches. Possibly just sending huge momentary current pulses to the battery using a large
capacitance capacitor pulse discharge is the 'secret' to getting the battery to charge faster than normal, but
something also has to first get that large capacitance cap bank charged up very fast as well during the one second window
where the cap bank is charging, so the 'energizer' would seem to need to be doing something unusual as well.

Also, Bedini has mentioned that the battery can get damaged from charging with those large current pulses,
so it makes me wonder if these large setups can really work for any sort of an extended run even if you
can get the battery to stay charged for short runs. The question is, does sending really large current pulses to a
battery really give it a true charge, or is it just some sort of misleading 'surface charge' that occurs
which makes it look like the battery is staying charged up for shorter runs, but which will not really keep the
battery charged for long duration runs over 24 hours?

I will be interested to see what your current setup can do as it is, to get a baseline of how it is performing.
If it is not performing well, maybe building a bit smaller scale setup using the most efficient DC motor you can
find and following Bedini's approach to building the energizer as closely as can be determined with whatever details
are available could maybe be tried by someone to see if it has much better performance than your current setup.


All the best...


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #75 on: November 14, 2017, 04:52:30 PM »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #76 on: November 14, 2017, 04:57:36 PM »
How about you define useful, do so without asking for schematics, measurement data, or demo model plans...  what you and many others consider useful ain't useful... 
Where is your useful contribution....  all I see is a individual kissing up to and cheerleading for the guy he believes is disseminating what he considers useful information.. 

This is not a replication, it stopped qualifying as such when Tinman took it upon himself to change the magneto, and mix concepts illustrated on the diagrams he found.  A second battery has been added, and the cap is now series as opposed to parallel like we find it in the source diagram....WTF....  this is what's going for a replication?!?  Individuals like yourself accept this proudly..... when the tests fail to deliver what all hoped it would, after the audience is schooled on proper measurement gathering techniques....  he will use his signature , "Bedini Rubbish" line and all of you agree with him.....   

What am I doing here....if only you had ears to hear.....

 :o Ok, it is clear you have nothing to contribute except pretense and hot air...


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #77 on: November 14, 2017, 05:39:44 PM »
Hi Tinman,

Further regarding the one second charge window:
During the one second window where the battery is disconnected from the motor and it is
being charged, it appears you should actually get multiple charge pulses going to the battery.

You will have the huge current discharge pulse from the cap bank discharge when the relay is
switched on to discharge the cap bank into the battery, but the generator is still connected to the cap bank
and batteries all through this one second charge window, so besides the big current discharge pulse from
the cap bank discharge into the batteries, the generator is still sending continuous charge pulses to
both the cap bank and battery while the relay is engaged for the whole one second charge window.
So you should have a full second of charging pulses going to the cap in parallel with the battery during the
one second charge window. Lindemann estimated about 1,865 charge pulses per second coming from
Watson's large Bedini machine.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #77 on: November 14, 2017, 05:39:44 PM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #78 on: November 14, 2017, 05:47:19 PM »
Erfinder
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All Agree
end quote.

a bit Presumptive in a room full of builders .

it "should " be noted, all ideas/opinions are considered [still very much so]...and it should also be noted redundant builds would  be a waste of very limited resources .

respectfully
Chet
ps
a note to Void
your video mentioned earlier
attempts are being made to follow up on the invitation to Carroll [to see that DUT







 

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #79 on: November 14, 2017, 05:52:13 PM »
It is not a self runner, but it could be scaled up.
No big effort or investment needed, just a few hours of time and some parts from junk...

Perhaps somebody want try it :)

With one core you get 50 micro watts, with 10 or 20 core you probably can blink a LED...

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #79 on: November 14, 2017, 05:52:13 PM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #80 on: November 14, 2017, 06:21:11 PM »
Erfinder
investor contacts

please embellish us with that info ?? please don't hold back !!

you have my written permission to post all you know here about that statement
I am most curious...

a statement  like that cannot go unanswered at an open source forum

and the fact is all I do is build, I just do not like wasting resources here or anywhere else.

Chet Kremens
 

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #81 on: November 14, 2017, 06:35:18 PM »
Erfinder
exactly
there is no info to back up your statement about audiences with my investment contacts !

there are none and never have been

what has taken place in the past .[By Dr.Steven Jones Group]

inventors who make claims of 0U have been offered Donations to open source from
Angel donors with no strings or investment attached.

 open sourcing is the only criteria.

no investors
   no patents

Donors
Open source
[Key words]

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #81 on: November 14, 2017, 06:35:18 PM »
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Offline Void

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #82 on: November 14, 2017, 06:39:48 PM »
It is not a self runner, but it could be scaled up.
No big effort or investment needed, just a few hours of time and some parts from junk...
Perhaps somebody want try it :)
With one core you get 50 micro watts, with 10 or 20 core you probably can blink a LED...

Hi vasik041. If it is not a self runner, then unless you can explain here in brief and simple terms
what specifically makes you think it is OU, and briefly how you have measured the input power versus
the output power, then it will be hard for people to assess. People may not want to spend time
reading through a long PDF file if they don't even know first what it is you are claiming it does
that is unusual.

I have found that testing at really low power levels will always leave way too much room for the
possibility of measurement error and oversights. If it is not a self runner, then most likely it would
need to be producing a clear and significantly much larger output power than the input power to
generate much interest. Unfortunately really low power setups have just too much potential to show
misleading results unless you can get it self running.


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #83 on: November 14, 2017, 06:57:17 PM »
Erfinder
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I haven't asked you and your investor contacts for an audience,
end quote

whats to read into ??

its a false, purposely misleading  statement .

Others who seek investors for business find this "Donor" idea suspicious.
 
I build things for children with disabilities [not toys]
to help them and their families cope with the hardship of their daily lives.
we all do what we can to help our fellow man.

and yes I have built here and elsewhere over the years ,its hard to put down one set of tools
and pick up another when the need is soo great .

its not all about "investor's" there really are good people out there
that just want to make a difference and "give" to the right cause .

these are the Donor's which Dr.Jones has contacted in the past.

a reminder this is an open source forum.
and I would sooner hack a limb off than get in-between a life saving tech
and the world that needs it 

with a price tag...

EDIT
to comment below

its just the truth

and you provoked this ... and assume way too much.


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #83 on: November 14, 2017, 06:57:17 PM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #84 on: November 14, 2017, 07:09:35 PM »
Ramset, Tinman:

Is this going to be just another thread overrun by trolling and insults like many other threads, or what? ;)

You always have to draw the line somewhere in this world regarding *all* matters. If someone
is disrupting things, then something needs to be done or it will likely only continue or get worse. ;)
If someone obviously doesn't have a clue about how to communicate in a civil manner, then whether it is
in a work place or a library or a court of law or in a family household or in some sort of discussion forum, you
just have to draw the line somewhere and do something concrete about it when the line is crossed. Otherwise
chaos is the only likely result. ;D

I realize that disruptive behavior and constantly throwing out insults etc., is the mentality level of many people in
this world, but that doesn't mean you have to put up with that sort of ignorant behaviour here. ;D
It doesn't matter at all if that person potentially has something useful to add. If they are constantly disrupting
things and throwing out insults, then obviously something needs to be done. There typically is just no reasoning
with people who are that ignorant/troubled, so in such a case something needs to be done.  Otherwise, there is a a good
chance that many who are interested in some serious exchange of knowledge and ideas here will quickly move on...

I am personally not interested in building motor/generator setups myself, as it is not my thing, but I am quite
interested in what the key working principles are supposed to be behind them which are supposed to lead to the 'OU results',
and whether they can be shown to actually 'work' in practice. If it works in a motor/generator setup, then I think
there is at least a possibility that the same principles might be put to use in a complete solid state setup as well.
This is why I have personally been following along with this discussion about Bedini's motor/generator setups so far.
Let's please stick to discussing the topic at hand, and if one or more people are disrupting things and won't take
the hint to cut it out, then simply do something about it... ;D


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #85 on: November 14, 2017, 07:13:58 PM »
Erfinder

Soooo
you need a Donor ?



only criteria is open source ?
no business interests of any kind [from Angel Donors]

reading your comments over the years
I know you have put huge blocks of your life  into this ,My response above was for me !
not meant as judgment of others and their needs or responsibilities.

 
I expect a strong response [but will not clog this thread any further ....

 


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #85 on: November 14, 2017, 07:13:58 PM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #86 on: November 14, 2017, 07:16:00 PM »
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People may not want to spend time reading through a long PDF

Unfortunately as an explanation I can offer only even longer PDF... and if 4 pages is too long... probably it does not help anyway.

 :-X

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #87 on: November 14, 2017, 07:16:00 PM »
I expect a strong response here....

Hi Ramset, you are free to do as you want if this is your thread, but maybe if you two guys took
your 'discussion' to PM it would be less disruptive to the topic currently at hand? ;)


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #88 on: November 14, 2017, 07:19:24 PM »
Void
sorry for the intrusion
I have nothing but appreciation for those who help here.

respectfully
Chet

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #89 on: November 14, 2017, 07:19:38 PM »
Unfortunately as an explanation I can offer only even longer PDF... and if 4 pages is too long... probably it does not help anyway.
 :-X

Many people here are quite limited in free time. ;) I don't see why you shouldn't be able to post
a brief description about what specifically you think is unusual with your setup. :) Just a few lines
to say what you think is happening that you think is unusual or notable.

 

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