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Author Topic: Confirmation of OU devices and claims  (Read 281683 times)

Offline a.king21

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #990 on: July 06, 2019, 05:13:35 PM »

   a.king:  Interesting that you placed the coils inside of the main coil. Can you show a video of your set up working?


I don't do videos. This resonance business is just the starting point to replicate Don Smith.  All you have to do is get some cheap Chinese frequency generators and make a gate driver  and MEASURE THE COILS.  You need a damn good LCR meter and I use the same one Rick uses.
Then you can do it yourself very cheaply. How many people tried to replicate Kapanadze and never measured the coils or learnt about 1/4 wave relationships?
Listen up very carefully:  The most important thing Kapanadze said to me personally was and I quote, " YOU HAVE TO MEASURE THE COILS".

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #991 on: July 06, 2019, 05:32:15 PM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #992 on: July 06, 2019, 07:04:14 PM »
Well, he shared the other day that he hasn't bothered to read what I have written and I returned the compliment.  ;) So who knows? I looked at around 20 or more posts early on before I was writing on this forum a few weeks back and noticed too many mistakes and differences with what we were doing to have any hope that this would go anywhere. I've looked at a few videos and posts more recently and still found similar differences. However, I'm thinking he is trying some new things that may show him curiocities. Nevertheless, I can see that Itsu and G are not getting the basics yet of this. It still looks like G is just trying to find some kind of remote disproof of anything I may be saying and trying to confirm mainstream understanding of these things. So that is the difference. They are limiting themselves to mainstream understandings and using their own parts to try and accomplish something unknown to themselves. That could go on for years I suppose. It is really an attempt to confirm an unknown claim at this point. Just more of the same for these forums, where some mainstream "expert" is directing someone with no OU experience to try this and that and hopefully stumble across some interesting result (maybe with Itsu the hope of OU, and with G some greater efficiency). It has the appearance of trying to replicate something A.King posted, or what I have done, but there was only really a commitment from Itsu to deal with A.King. So he will have to share what he see's as the differences. He was very optimistic about Itsu with me, and that was why I looked at his early postings. But then I saw the problems and told him that there were no real grounds for this going anywhere under the circumstances. I can see years of the same sort of thing trying to replicate the eastern Europeans and being no better for that. That is unfortunate that so much time has been spent without any success. I couldn't imagine spending years of my time doing that with no success. As Mario wrote the other day, there comes a point where this is either going to work for you or it is time to move on to something else. This is why this weekend I'll be starting a new presentation that should help people from the ground up giving the principles of free energy in a very condensed format. That way you can understand what to know and do and what is mistaken and what not to do.
Rick,
Interesting post. You have expended much time and words attempting to show the mainstream experts the error of their ways by applying conventional electrical thought and measurement processes to their experiemnts. Some time back, I mentioned Peukerts Law in respect of battery capacity. I'm sure that you like me have run Bedini wheel energisers for years on end using the same source and charge LA batteries in rotation, (as taught by John), whilst doing work charging batteries and doing mechanical work. By studying Peukerts Law, it can readily be appreciated why this is possible and on the surface appears surprising and exciting to the unitiated. So, in this respect, I understand why you are excited, as I was to experience what could be done using this type of tech. Also, like you, I have applied this to practical uses running modified motors with more powerful mechanical and solid state setups. The only difference between us is that I understand that conventional principles still apply and what we are really doing is exploiting the vagaries of batteries by carefully tuning loads to the device and as John correctly told us, use decent batteries that are well desulfated by conditioning. We are on a similar page Rick but I choose not to conduct a sermon on the issue.  ;)

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #993 on: July 06, 2019, 07:07:32 PM »

Then you can do it yourself very cheaply. How many people tried to replicate Kapanadze and never measured the coils or learnt about 1/4 wave relationships?
Listen up very carefully:  The most important thing Kapanadze said to me personally was and I quote, " YOU HAVE TO MEASURE THE COILS".

Good day a.king21,

Could you be more specific about that Kapanadze statement?
I m in here for a vew years, working on one of the kapanadze setups and such a post make me curious.

Is it just the measuring with the LCR?...  or did Kapanadze pointed to some more details regarding adjusting the coils?


Thanks in advance,

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #994 on: July 06, 2019, 07:47:22 PM »
Hi a.king21,
thanks a lot for your comments.
I have a question about the DSE to earth ground and loop back. Can you explain your grounding in a little bit more detail? Has it something to do with drawing (bottom right) on Page 329 in Ricks Book?
Is your TX Coil directly grounded or do you use Diodes or/and so called "blocking Device" like a variable Capacitor or Resistor? Are your RX Coils simply grounded on one side?
Sorry for all this questions.
I know I miss the point here, but can not figure out, where I am wrong. I don't know, if I made mistakes with retuning, or in general with the proper grounding setup.
Also didn't understand the reason for the so called "blocking Device". Did they simply prevent from to much power, or did they have a another reason?
I can clearly see the gains, if I use the ground with the resonance kit, but in the same time I have more power consumption on the input side. Something must be wrong with my grounding.
Don't want distract from this important tread, but I would be very happy, if you can give me a idea, what I should looking for. If this is crossing a red line, you can also send me a PN if you like. Thank you.
I have a tap on my coil at 180khz going down to 137 khz, so I run my set up at 137 khz so that the cheap Chinese frequency generators can be used.
I also  use the DSE to earth ground and loop back. Also insert coils inside the big coil to lower the input wattage on the gate driver.
I am  also in the process of tuning a 1/4 wave coil which is out by 1/2 a turn but still unexpectedly lights an led to brightness.
I noticed when Itsu used the relay coil his input went down and his output went up. So that is worth investigating.
As I have said before I have had  the gate driver voltage unaltered at input voltage for 3 hours whilst powering the load although the frequency gen was separately powered.
I am also using batteries on input to take advantage of the Heavyside component.
I would use a 1/4 wave wire to power the setup but they would be too long.  You need to be up in the 400 mhz range to get your wire lengths down to a few feet  (4 or 5 feet).
EDIT:  I also use ferrite inside the satellite coils to fine tune them for maximum magnetic output.
I also use a gauss meter to ensure the total magnetic output is increased by correct placement of Rx coils.  I place the gauss meter directly against all the coils and check the gauss both wth led on and off - so it's a give and take situation as every coil affects every other coil.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #995 on: July 06, 2019, 08:58:05 PM »
AKing,

I'm curious to know how a common battery captures the Heaviside component as you describe in your posts?  If one accepts Tom Bearden's teaching regarding the Heaviside power flow that supposedly greatly exceeds the Poynting or "S" flow, what is the capture mechanism?  Have you actually been able to confirm the any capture of the Heaviside component?  If so, could you please give more detail?

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #996 on: July 06, 2019, 09:35:16 PM »
Hi Itsu,

I have given further thoughts to the magnetic field of your TX coil and it is very likely that you will find similar behaviour i.e. zero magnetic field around the outside center part) at 50-80 kHz away like you found at the 180 kHz or so earlier frequency. 
I think the magnetic field on the outside of the coil would behave just like it does for an air cored 'electromagnet' excited by DC current: relatively strong poles will develop at the top and bottom ends of the coil, while in the middle part, outside the coil (where your black tape is) the magnetic field should be zero or at a minimum. And as you go up or down towards the coil ends the magnetic field strength starts increasing. When the current is AC, the magnetic poles alternate of course at the rate of the frequency.
Sorry for giving you extra tests. 

Regarding the magnetic field inside your TX coil, it should be the strongest and quasi homogeneous. I mention this because mention has been made on putting ferrite cored satellite coils inside the TX coil. I think this goes together with increased action-reaction effect (Lenz law) too. 

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #997 on: July 06, 2019, 10:01:07 PM »

Gyula,

Just seen your latest post while uploading my video below and writing this post.

Please look at the video as i think it contradicts what you just said.
Not sure though my magnetic field probing is correct.
 




I used my current probe (green) with a single closed loop to probe the outside of the big coil in an attempt to outline
the magnetic field.

I also used my normal voltage probe (yellow) this way to probe the outline of the big coil for maximum voltage.


I did this for the normal 192KHz frequency and for a 60KHz lower frequency so 133KHz (retuned for resonance).
No gate driver used,  just the battery operated FG, but with a ground lead to the black lead.

Both cases show we have a max. magnetic field in the middle and a max. RF field at the top.

Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsGziWV-GuA&feature=youtu.be       

As mentioned, i used a ground lead on the black FG lead, so also connected to the bottom of the var. cap.

When removing the ground lead, the RF signal (yellow) seems to have a dip (null) about 5cm above the bottom,
so not AT the bottom.
This null is the turning point for the phase of the voltage compared to the current, it changes 180°.

Not sure if this is significant, but reminds me of you thinking that "my TX coil behaves like a vertical antenna with a size little
longer in length than a quarter wave antenna but much less in length than a half wave antenna".
The magnetic peak however stays at the middle then.


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #998 on: July 06, 2019, 10:35:47 PM »
SO ITSU PLEASE USE THREE COILS PUT TWO HORIZONTALS TOP AND BOTTOM AND A VERTICAL COIL ALL IN THE MIDDLE ALL IN SERIES RESONANCE AND SEE WHAT HAPPEN.


Hi Seychelles,


well,  this is what happens, all 3 satellite coils leds go on.
Running on the FG only.

I could join their outputs and feed into a supercap for measuring the current, but probably
it still will be less then the input current (at the same voltages).

Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66z4Kr_DEeQ

Satellite coils are in parallel resonance.

Itsu

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« Reply #999 on: July 06, 2019, 10:49:17 PM »
Hi Itsu,
Thanks for your efforts.  Okay that it contradicts to my above post, we learn all the time. 

We need to evaluate the results. I think your small and shorted wire loop for indicating the current is ok. 
It is also interesting that current maximum remains in the middle while the voltage minimum moves up from
the bottom when you use the ground.  One would expect them both move.  Let's approach this otherwise:
what is approximate wire length in your TX coil?  When I thought of comparing the TX circuit to a vertical antenna, 
it came from a Tesla coil voltage distribution.  As the Corum brothers wrote it is a quarter wave helical resonator, with maximum voltage
at the top and minimum at the bottom if tuned correctly. 
Will be back later tomorrow only. 

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1000 on: July 06, 2019, 10:56:43 PM »
So many questions:


Re Heavyside component:  Rick covers it extensively in one of his videos. One disruptive discharge circuit can power a string of batteries.  Not  just a second  battery.  Yes I have seen it and you can use common household components.  I have shown Rick the video but it is not for public.  Sorry. (It would hit Rick's business).


Re coil relationships:  Don Smith covers it as does Rick in his book on Don Smith and in some of Rick's videos.


Re grounding:  The cap is a blocking device. After the cap and between the ground you can use a bridge rectifier and feed back to the input.
The only problem I see is that you can get into Tesla's one wire system and load the input - so you have to experiment with different values of capacitor and other diodes to see which works the best. The best way is the way Benitez does it in his first patent. (Riick is going to do a kit but I don't know which of Benitez's systems)
Re coil measurement:  I was asking Kapanadze if special components were required.  My team needed a 100 MW set up. Maybe in builds of 10 MW.  Kapanadze said the only requirement was the cable or wire required which would have to be accurately measured. Then he seemed to think that ordinary off the shelf components were ok.
(In Rick's case he states that just one cm out and you can lose the effect.)
I enclose a photo of some of the transformers we were going to use  to input into the grid .






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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1001 on: July 06, 2019, 11:17:01 PM »
Ha, Ha A, now your jesting aren't you? I know a few people with solar and most of the time
they are selling power to the grid, i'm not sure how it works but its a module that does it, it
fits on a shelf on the garage wall !

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1002 on: July 07, 2019, 12:31:26 AM »
One of the best comments I have read on this forum.  :)

Okay that it contradicts to my above post, we learn all the time. 
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« Reply #1003 on: July 07, 2019, 12:58:05 AM »
Hi Rick,

I knew you would jump on it, that is mainly why I worded it like that.   ;)

Here is one of the most catching comments I have read on this forum.

There were 15 total as I had 4 smaller coils with larger bulbs as well (one under the table and 4 at the
top at one point--10 big coils, 4 smaller, and 1 on a ferrite rod). There were 75 small coils with LEDs
totaling over 2W. So we have at least 8W of measured power with 0.75W or less input.
It is a pity if you refrain from proving it and it remains a claim. 

Gyula

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1004 on: July 07, 2019, 01:05:48 AM »
Hi Rick,

I knew you would jump on it, that is mainly why I worded it like that.   ;)

Here is one of the most catching comments I have read on this forum.
It is a pity if you refrain from proving it and it remains a claim. 

Gyula
Gyula, Well I assume that's Rick's device but what of Itsu it's pointless me asking any one in the group,
but what exactly are Itsu's figures to date ?

 

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