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Author Topic: Confirmation of OU devices and claims  (Read 183682 times)

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #975 on: July 05, 2019, 12:58:14 AM »
Hi Itsu,

Thanks for the tests. 
I think your TX coil behaves like a vertical antenna with a size little longer in length than a quarter wave antenna but
much less in length than a half wave antenna. It has a voltage maximum at its top side (and minimum at its bottom)
and it has a current maximum in its middle part (and minimum current at its top and bottom). 

For your TX coil, we need to consider that a generator (gate driver IC or function generator) drives the series LC circuit
with a low AC and DC internal impedance and the series LC circuit is closed via this low impedance. And across this low
impedance there is the 10-12 V or so square wave signal, this is also a relatively low level with respect to common
connection point of the capacitor and the coil where the several hundred volt or even kV high voltage levels develop.
This is why the voltage i.e. E field is low at the bottom of your coil and it has a maximum at the other end.
 
When you hold the small coil or ferrite coil horizontally, we need to consider it has its own magnetic field reception
characteristics,  from its end direction it has a zero response, this is why it shows quasi zero magnetic field in the middle.
But the current in the TX coil creates maximum magnetic field just in the middle part your black tape is.   

Here is a good explanation for the operation of a half wave dipole. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bDyA5t1ldU
Notice it has open ends and this explains voltage maximums at its two ends and it has a current maximum at its center
part where it is usually driven and the current is zero at its ends. (Electrons have to stop at the conductor open ends.) 
The animation nicely shows the 90 degree phase relation between the current and voltage, a resonant antenna is also
an LC circuit of course.
Gyula

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #975 on: July 05, 2019, 12:58:14 AM »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #976 on: July 05, 2019, 06:33:38 AM »
SO ITSU PLEASE USE THREE COILS PUT TWO HORIZONTALS TOP AND BOTTOM AND A VERTICAL COIL ALL IN THE MIDDLE ALL IN SERIES RESONANCE AND SEE WHAT HAPPEN.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #977 on: July 05, 2019, 10:37:48 PM »
Hi Itsu,

Thanks for the tests. 
I think your TX coil behaves like a vertical antenna with a size little longer in length than a quarter wave antenna but
much less in length than a half wave antenna. It has a voltage maximum at its top side (and minimum at its bottom)
and it has a current maximum in its middle part (and minimum current at its top and bottom). 

For your TX coil, we need to consider that a generator (gate driver IC or function generator) drives the series LC circuit
with a low AC and DC internal impedance and the series LC circuit is closed via this low impedance. And across this low
impedance there is the 10-12 V or so square wave signal, this is also a relatively low level with respect to common
connection point of the capacitor and the coil where the several hundred volt or even kV high voltage levels develop.
This is why the voltage i.e. E field is low at the bottom of your coil and it has a maximum at the other end.
 
When you hold the small coil or ferrite coil horizontally, we need to consider it has its own magnetic field reception
characteristics,  from its end direction it has a zero response, this is why it shows quasi zero magnetic field in the middle.
But the current in the TX coil creates maximum magnetic field just in the middle part your black tape is.   

Here is a good explanation for the operation of a half wave dipole. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bDyA5t1ldU
Notice it has open ends and this explains voltage maximums at its two ends and it has a current maximum at its center
part where it is usually driven and the current is zero at its ends. (Electrons have to stop at the conductor open ends.) 
The animation nicely shows the 90 degree phase relation between the current and voltage, a resonant antenna is also
an LC circuit of course.
Gyula
Gyula,

thanks for the comments and the link, nice tutorial on antenna's.

But i am not sure if it fits the big coil setup i have here, at least some things measured do not add up.
 
I know the voltage across the LC is at maximum inbetween the L and C, as that i can measure with the VU meter,
but if there is a maximum current i do not see it.
Measuring with the current probe shows the same signals above the coil, inbetween the coil and cap and below
the Cap, see screenshot.

I cannot measure inside the coil or cap, so i still need some gauss meter capable for 193Kz i guess to check on that.

Itsu


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #978 on: July 05, 2019, 10:41:44 PM »
SO ITSU PLEASE USE THREE COILS PUT TWO HORIZONTALS TOP AND BOTTOM AND A VERTICAL COIL ALL IN THE MIDDLE ALL IN SERIES RESONANCE AND SEE WHAT HAPPEN.

Seychelles,

please don't shout,  the caps lock key is on the left of your keyboard.

Could you please clarify what you mean, (TWO HORIZONTALS TOP AND BOTTOM?).
I use parallel resonance only, is that OK,  or must it be series resonance?

thnaks,   itsu

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #979 on: July 06, 2019, 12:11:19 AM »
Hi Itsu,

Yes, the voltage is at maximum inbetween the L and C, on their connection point and let's clarify further that this voltage
maximum is referenced to the common negative of the driver IC, the negative supply rail is at zero voltage. 
In case a grounding wire is connected to this common negative rail, then the zero voltage may change to a certain potential
RF wise, depends also on frequency.  The C capacitor is directly connected to the common negative while the L coil is
connected via the low output impedance of the driver IC or the function generator. 
All I mean here is to clarify between which two points is the L and C voltage maximum in the circuit, ok? With the VU meter probe 
you checked this by starting from the bottom of the TX coil which is connected to the common negative via the output pin of the IC
(or via the output of a function gen) so the bottom coil wire is maximum at 12Vp level above the common negative whenever
the positive half waves of the square wave appears. 

Now about the current: yes, you cannot see the maximum current but I mean current maximum developing in the middle part of the TX coil, 
this was indicated by  the small coil or ferrite rod coil tests. They showed maximum magnetic field strength in the middle part (black tape) of the coil. 
I say from antenna theory:  maximum magnetic field can develop only where there is current maximum developing.

I think you could influence the place for the maximum current by changing the input frequency to the gate driver and retuning
the TX circuit to that new frequency and use again the ferrite coil horizontally whether it will indicate zero in the middle part of
the TX coil, ok? If this zero place shifts below or above the black tape, then it should mean the current maximum developed at another part of the coil. 
If the zero place (as indicated by the ferrite probe coil) stays in the middle, then I am simply wrong
with this current maximum explanation in the coil and in this case it may not work similarly to a quarter wave antenna.
With the change of the frequency (say by 50-80 kHz) the voltage maximum should stay inbetween the L and C I think.
Thanks
Gyula

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #980 on: July 06, 2019, 05:07:48 AM »
sorry about the cap addict that i am..

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #981 on: July 06, 2019, 10:39:20 AM »
Rick, AKing,

What is the difference between your setups and Itsu setup?


Thanks!

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #982 on: July 06, 2019, 11:04:12 AM »
Rick, AKing,

What is the difference between your setups and Itsu setup?


Thanks!
Good question!

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #983 on: July 06, 2019, 12:30:09 PM »
Hi
Have performed this test in the simulator LTspice XVII
I used the same coils as ITSU's but made the test at 200 kHz
with some minor adjustments of the capacitors values to maximise the output voltage.
A load resistor of 10 k-Ohm was chosen.
A resistor is inserted after the ideal square wave generator to simulate ITSU's gate driver impedanse somewhat. The switch SW can be closed
to use the ideal  gate driver (with exteme low impedanse).

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #984 on: July 06, 2019, 01:19:54 PM »

Gyula,

thanks,   i will try to vary the frequency ± 50-80KHz while monitoring the middle dip and max voltage.



seychelles,

thanks, i see what you mean, and will try that.


seaad,

thanks for doing that, very nice.

The figures not quite resemble what i measure (12V square 50% duty cycle @ 200mA input and
3.7KV Volt1 voltage), but that probably is due to the 30 Ohm gate driver impedance resistor.
Could be my gate driver (IXDD614) has a much lower impedance.

But it nicely simulates the behaviour what i see when adding more and more coils.

1 coil  @ 0.025 CF results in 500V @ 165mA input and induces 37V.
8 coils @ 0.025 CF results in 107V @ 35mA input and induces 7.5V.

So the generated RF / magnetic power (if you call and calculate that this way) drops from 82.5W (500 x 0.165)
to 3.7W (107 x 0.035) which is by 95.5%.

The induce voltage in the satellite coils drops from 37V to 7.5V  which across a 10K resistor means (p=u²/r)
from 140mW to 6mW which is by 95.8%.

Please correct me if i am wrong.

Itsu






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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #985 on: July 06, 2019, 03:49:26 PM »
Input Watt

Peak! mA NB.  mA x 0.7  x  10 x 0.5 (50%)        10 Volt input in my case
                      in     RMS      V     duty c.

Output Watt

Peak! V NB.   V x 0.7 ^2 / 10 000     and times 1 output unit, or 8 output units
                  out  RMS sqr    Ohm

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #986 on: July 06, 2019, 04:27:17 PM »
Rick, AKing,

What is the difference between your setups and Itsu setup?


Thanks!
I have a tap on my coil at 180khz going down to 137 khz, so I run my set up at 137 khz so that the cheap Chinese frequency generators can be used.
I also  use the DSE to earth ground and loop back. Also insert coils inside the big coil to lower the input wattage on the gate driver.
I am  also in the process of tuning a 1/4 wave coil which is out by 1/2 a turn but still unexpectedly lights an led to brightness.
I noticed when Itsu used the relay coil his input went down and his output went up. So that is worth investigating.
As I have said before I have had  the gate driver voltage unaltered at input voltage for 3 hours whilst powering the load although the frequency gen was separately powered.
I am also using batteries on input to take advantage of the Heavyside component.
I would use a 1/4 wave wire to power the setup but they would be too long.  You need to be up in the 400 mhz range to get your wire lengths down to a few feet  (4 or 5 feet).
EDIT:  I also use ferrite inside the satellite coils to fine tune them for maximum magnetic output.
I also use a gauss meter to ensure the total magnetic output is increased by correct placement of Rx coils.  I place the gauss meter directly against all the coils and check the gauss both wth led on and off - so it's a give and take situation as every coil affects every other coil.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #987 on: July 06, 2019, 04:34:40 PM »
I have a tap on my coil at 180hz going down to 137 khz, so I run my set up at 137 khz so that the cheap Chinese frequency generators can be used.
I also  use the DSE to earth ground and loop back. Also insert coils inside the big coil to lower the input wattage on the gate driver.
I am  also in the process of tuning a 1/4 wave coil which is out by 1/2 a turn but still unexpectedly lights an led to brightness.
I noticed when Itsu used the relay coil his input went down and his output went up. So that is worth investigating.
As I have said before I have had  the gate driver voltage unaltered at input voltage for 3 hours whilst powering the load although the frequency gen was separately powered.
I am also using batteries on input to take advantage of the Heavyside component.
I would use a 1/4 wave wire to power the setup but they would be too long.  You need to be up in the 400 mhz range to get your wire lengths down to a few feet  (4 or 5 feet).


   a.king:  Interesting that you placed the coils inside of the main coil. Can you show a video of your set up working?

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #988 on: July 06, 2019, 04:39:22 PM »
Well, he shared the other day that he hasn't bothered to read what I have written and I returned the compliment.  ;) So who knows? I looked at around 20 or more posts early on before I was writing on this forum a few weeks back and noticed too many mistakes and differences with what we were doing to have any hope that this would go anywhere. I've looked at a few videos and posts more recently and still found similar differences. However, I'm thinking he is trying some new things that may show him curiocities. Nevertheless, I can see that Itsu and G are not getting the basics yet of this. It still looks like G is just trying to find some kind of remote disproof of anything I may be saying and trying to confirm mainstream understanding of these things. So that is the difference. They are limiting themselves to mainstream understandings and using their own parts to try and accomplish something unknown to themselves. That could go on for years I suppose. It is really an attempt to confirm an unknown claim at this point. Just more of the same for these forums, where some mainstream "expert" is directing someone with no OU experience to try this and that and hopefully stumble across some interesting result (maybe with Itsu the hope of OU, and with G some greater efficiency). It has the appearance of trying to replicate something A.King posted, or what I have done, but there was only really a commitment from Itsu to deal with A.King. So he will have to share what he see's as the differences. He was very optimistic about Itsu with me, and that was why I looked at his early postings. But then I saw the problems and told him that there were no real grounds for this going anywhere under the circumstances. I can see years of the same sort of thing trying to replicate the eastern Europeans and being no better for that. That is unfortunate that so much time has been spent without any success. I couldn't imagine spending years of my time doing that with no success. As Mario wrote the other day, there comes a point where this is either going to work for you or it is time to move on to something else. This is why this weekend I'll be starting a new presentation that should help people from the ground up giving the principles of free energy in a very condensed format. That way you can understand what to know and do and what is mistaken and what not to do.

Rick, AKing,

What is the difference between your setups and Itsu setup?


Thanks!

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #989 on: July 06, 2019, 04:44:44 PM »
That's a step in the right direction. You just have to confirm each part represents the real world as much as possible and the process is actually translatable. Once you have a basic framework in the real world that works for you, you can build off of that. Some things will not translate, like a battery responding. Some of the things we are doing with capacitors are not what people think and may not be translatable unless you know how to do that.

Hi
Have performed this test in the simulator LTspice XVII
I used the same coils as ITSU's but made the test at 200 kHz
with some minor adjustments of the capacitors values to maximise the output voltage.
A load resistor of 10 k-Ohm was chosen.
A resistor is inserted after the ideal square wave generator to simulate ITSU's gate driver impedanse somewhat. The switch SW can be closed
to use the ideal  gate driver (with exteme low impedanse).

Regards Arne

 

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