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Author Topic: Confirmation of OU devices and claims  (Read 281800 times)

Offline partzman

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #960 on: July 04, 2019, 03:29:17 PM »
Seaad,   Gyula,


Thanks for the info,   lots to think about and harder to do :-)


I just wanted to show where the max. RF is on the big coil by using a little RF probe, see video and diagram.
Its on top of the coil inbetween the coil and the var. cap (unless i turn around the coil).


The magnetic field though is somewhat harder to pinpoint, as a satellite coil will show different values
depending how its positioned to the big coil, see video, so the drawing of Seaad above might not be thru.

Anyway, i tried that proposed setup and got some result, but not where Seaad drew it, see video.

Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjiNoeyBLd0


More in the next days......


Itsu

Hi Itsu,

Nice video demo that creates curious info in a brief period. Congrats! 

I am curious if you have taken or see any input measurement change to the transmitting coil when the vertical satellite coil is positioned to enhance the output power in the two receivers?  If so, what are the results?

Regards,
Pm

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #960 on: July 04, 2019, 03:29:17 PM »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #961 on: July 04, 2019, 04:32:37 PM »
Rick
 
 I'd like to ask about a bank of capacitors that I have, charging them through ''negative'' energy. The bank itself is of 20 milliFarads at 63Volts. The spikes across them are in the order of few KV. I see that it charges while dumping the input KV peaks down to safe levels for the dielectric. At least this is how it looks like. But is it true? I mean doesn't dielectric suffer due to all this sudden stress across the plates? Even if it looks that it charges smooth from zero to 50 volts, is it susceptible to inter-arcing between the plates? We know that this kind of waveshape sees differences in impedance even in distances of few cm away. What about a plate of an electrolytic cap of many meters long which in addition has also an inductance?? And finally what about charging 12V supercapacitors? Are they in danger for the same reason?

Thanks
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #962 on: July 04, 2019, 05:10:21 PM »
Haha, there are so many things you bring up here. I'll have to think about what is most important to address in this. What I have seen is people oversimplify capacitors and how to use them properly (and even neglect to condition them as I shared in the one video), and how to use them efficiently. I am finishing up a Benitez capacitor kit system which will probably end up addressing these things. There are misconceptions about capacitors, and there is also the same differences we find with mainstream theory and free energy research. Obviously mainstream would make Benitez first patent impossible, but it is not. Oh, another claim here.
Anyway, I'll think about responding specifically today.

Rick
 I'd like to ask about a bank of capacitors that I have, charging them through ''negative'' energy. The bank itself is of 20 milliFarads at 63Volts. The spikes across them are in the order of few KV. I see that it charges while dumping the input KV peaks down to safe levels for the dielectric. At least this is how it looks like. But is it true? I mean doesn't dielectric suffer due to all this sudden stress across the plates? Even if it looks that it charges smooth from zero to 50 volts, is it susceptible to inter-arcing between the plates? We know that this kind of waveshape sees differences in impedance even in distances of few cm away. What about a plate of an electrolytic cap of many meters long which in addition has also an inductance?? And finally what about charging 12V supercapacitors? Are they in danger for the same reason?

Thanks
Jeg

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #962 on: July 04, 2019, 05:10:21 PM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #963 on: July 04, 2019, 05:52:56 PM »

I was wondering why the magnetic coupling between the big coil and a small coil is how it is, meaning why
is there a maximum in the middle when both coils are vertical and why is there a minimum in that same middle
when the small coil is horzontal?

I have drawn 3 coils, one big coil in the middle, and 2 small coils next to the big one, one vertical, one horizontal.

The big red letters represent strong fields, small letters less strong fields.


Could this be the reason?

Coils taken from: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/solenoid.html

Itsu

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #964 on: July 04, 2019, 06:38:17 PM »
Itsu
Looks like one position traces voltage nodes/antinodes and the other position current. Nice tool!

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Offline WhatIsIt

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #965 on: July 04, 2019, 07:00:20 PM »
I was wondering why the magnetic coupling between the big coil and a small coil is how it is, meaning why
is there a maximum in the middle when both coils are vertical and why is there a minimum in that same middle
when the small coil is horizontal?

Maybe if you combine two, vertical and horizontal, position will not be important, and it will react the same in any position?

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #966 on: July 04, 2019, 07:00:46 PM »
   itsu:   What happens if you place the small coils inside the big coil? As there are more losses outside the big coil, in field strengh.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #967 on: July 04, 2019, 07:19:33 PM »
So the questions are, are those drawings representing what is happening, are if yes, are they the totality, and does all the energy transfer from primary to secondaries in a way that no gains are possible? Is there any point in asking these questions?

Itsu
Looks like one position traces voltage nodes/antinodes and the other position current. Nice tool!

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #968 on: July 04, 2019, 07:22:49 PM »
That is the most important consideration Nick. But that is the advanced process. As I said, you can do the Don Smith L2 arrangement that way, which receives all the flux through it, while still doing the same things we are doing here. But there are a lot of relationships to consider as you can see in the Resonance transformers book and elsewhere...

   itsu:   What happens if you place the small coils inside the big coil? As there are more losses outside the big coil, in field strengh.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Offline itsu

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #969 on: July 04, 2019, 07:25:31 PM »

Hi Jeg,

i think you are talking RF not magnetic field.
The RF field is strongest at the top of the big coil, see my latest video above.

The magnetic field however is like shown in the drawings.



WhatIsIt,

thats a different animal alltogether, but could be fun to try it out.



NickZ,

i tried to put the smaller coils inside the big coil (does not fit completly with the pcb and led attached),
and as expected, the fields there are the strongest.

Itsu

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #970 on: July 04, 2019, 07:52:58 PM »
I thought it meant laugh out loud.  Ah well you live and learn.
Anyhow I did not use capitals.. I was trying to introduce some lightness into the study.
So maybe use ha ha ha instead  (ha ha). :D

Sir, I disagree...you do not need to save from using words. Words do not circulate else than by the intent. Your intent was nice, so the energy which circulated. Buddha has stated about such things ; Masaru Emoto has even proven such manifestations. Be confident that laugh belongs to light ...

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #971 on: July 04, 2019, 08:04:58 PM »
Hi Itsu,
Would you mind making a coil on a ferrite rod and use it at also to probe around the big coil? (like you showed it 
with the small coil and single white LED in the video, after the VU meter tests). 
 Ferrite antennas mainly receive (and sensitive to) the magnetic components of EM fields.   
This would verify the behaviour found by the small coil test (I do not know if it has a ferromagnetic core?)

Thanks, 
Gyula

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #972 on: July 04, 2019, 08:11:54 PM »
So the questions are, are those drawings representing what is happening, are if yes, are they the totality, and does all the energy transfer from primary to secondaries in a way that no gains are possible? Is there any point in asking these questions?

I think I understand your point. You are talking about the two energy storage mechanisms that exist and our bad habit to tap in just one of the two. Namely electric and magnetic field. Energy goes back and forth transforming itself in the two different qualities. The electric part is forgotten.       

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #973 on: July 04, 2019, 08:47:14 PM »
I think I understand your point. You are talking about the two energy storage mechanisms that exist and our bad habit to tap in just one of the two. Namely electric and magnetic field. Energy goes back and forth transforming itself in the two different qualities. The electric part is forgotten.       
Jeg do you mean dielectric? on a real device you need both and mix them for real power. ;D then transmit it !

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #974 on: July 04, 2019, 10:31:58 PM »

Partzman,   Gyula,


I redid the test where the vertical satellite coil in front of the 2 horizontal satellite coils increased
their leds output while monitoring the input voltage / current into the gate driver.

It shows that the input current decreases (199.4 -> 195.1mA) when the vertical coil gets in front of both.

I also tested with the 2 horizontal coils next to each other, so in a horizontal plane instead of above each other
(vertical plane) and the results are similar with the difference that the vertical coil in front only reacts with the
horizontal coil directly in front of it (same input differences (199 -> 194mA).
Video available if wanted.



I also used a ferrite rod cored coil to do the magnetic field outline test which i did yesterday using a small
air coil in resonance and a blue led.

Also the ferrite rod cored coil (560uH) somewhat in resonance with a 1nF cap parallel with a blue led showed
similar behaviour, meaning when horizontal, a dip in the middle, and a peak in the middle when vertically.

Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9dLj5MrAHY


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