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Author Topic: Confirmation of OU devices and claims  (Read 280601 times)

Offline seaad

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #945 on: July 03, 2019, 09:25:09 PM »
Coils at all angles.

==> ITSU, (all)
Some thoughts on a small test regarding coils in all directions:
I assume that Rick said.
A coil can be a receiver and a transmitter at the same time.
In my simple ugly picture below, I give an example of this.
Normally, coil A can't transmit energy to coils C, D with these mutual coil directions.
First test that with coils A + C + D so that the LEDs on C, D do not lit.

The ellipses roughly show the energy propagation.
But coil A can transmit energy to coil B. (red ellipse)
Thereafter, coil B repeats energy (blue ellipse) to coil C which transmits energy to coil D (purple ellipse).
This can of course be completely up in the "blue"  ::) ::) 8)

- Maybe the test has to be redone with other angles between the coils to work?
- Maybe a re-transmitting of the energy from coil B may only occur with a certain kind of load? (LED resistor, ETC)

Regards Arne


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #945 on: July 03, 2019, 09:25:09 PM »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #946 on: July 03, 2019, 09:58:32 PM »
Hi Itsu,

I agree with Nick's advice on spacing the RX coils all the way around the TX coil.

You mention overcoupled coils for sympathetic resonance: well maybe it would be better to find a radius around the TX coil which already insures a distance to have critical coupling or only very little overcoupling.
 
This could bring a benefit: you would need to fine tune less frequency difference with ferrite cores (split frequencies could get closer to each other hence also closer to a single resonant frequency) versus the case with overcoupling.
Ideally, very likely critical coupling would be the best between the TX and any RX coil and also  between any adjacent RX coil, I think.

It is possible the 10 coils will not fit into a single circle around the TX coil, you could place one RX coil under and one coil above the TX coil, this may solve or eases that problem.

With the quasi equal spacing around and say with trying to observe critical coupling,  the detuning effect for the RX coils may come about also more uniformly i.e. the mutual pulling may go towards a single direction, expectedly downwards. Then this can be compensated by retuning the TX oscillator and TX capacitor to a slightly lower frequency, to look for higher and higher brightness for more and more LED lamps.  For this though, you would need at least 10 identical LED bulbs but anyway frequent tuning the TX frequency little by little in downward direction can ease tuning process.

Just noticed Seaad's post above: yes it makes sense but an ardous task for sure. But Rick wrote it would have needed several hours at a meeting to achieve sympathetic resonance, and there was no time for it.

Gyula

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #947 on: July 03, 2019, 10:06:43 PM »
Hi Nick,
The die is (or may be) cast...   :D

Gyula

Guys:
   Perhaps, it would help to space the coils evenly all the way around the main coil. As in winding turns on a torroid coil, which helps to fill the whole circumference. On small coils in the MHz range I've used pencils to help help tune the coils with. But, itsu's coil are much wider, so pencils may not work as well.
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #947 on: July 03, 2019, 10:06:43 PM »
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Offline itsu

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #948 on: July 04, 2019, 12:07:17 AM »
Seaad,   Gyula,


Thanks for the info,   lots to think about and harder to do :-)


I just wanted to show where the max. RF is on the big coil by using a little RF probe, see video and diagram.
Its on top of the coil inbetween the coil and the var. cap (unless i turn around the coil).


The magnetic field though is somewhat harder to pinpoint, as a satellite coil will show different values
depending how its positioned to the big coil, see video, so the drawing of Seaad above might not be thru.

Anyway, i tried that proposed setup and got some result, but not where Seaad drew it, see video.

Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjiNoeyBLd0


More in the next days......


Itsu

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #949 on: July 04, 2019, 05:18:56 AM »
Seaad,   Gyula,


Thanks for the info,   lots to think about and harder to do :-)


I just wanted to show where the max. RF is on the big coil by using a little RF probe, see video and diagram.
Its on top of the coil inbetween the coil and the var. cap (unless i turn around the coil).


The magnetic field though is somewhat harder to pinpoint, as a satellite coil will show different values
depending how its positioned to the big coil, see video, so the drawing of Seaad above might not be thru.

Anyway, i tried that proposed setup and got some result, but not where Seaad drew it, see video.

Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjiNoeyBLd0


More in the next days......


Itsu
Nice vid.  You have just rediscovered the relay resonator......https://www.mdpi.com/1424-8220/19/9/1963
(It was invented by one of Rick's students. I believe (Almost sure - but not 100%))
Anyhow as you and G love equations - it may enhance your understanding..


And it's starting to look more and more like a  Gabriel  Kron network system.


A quotation from the paper,"The relay resonator restricts the dissipation of the magnetic flux and generates an enhanced amount of magnetic flux from the Tx to the Rx. It consists of a rectangular loop antenna connected to a capacitor that allows the relay resonator to resonate at a fixed resonating frequency"


Quote,"Generates an enhanced amount of magnetic flux" -  Now where have we heard that before......... I wonder......

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #949 on: July 04, 2019, 05:18:56 AM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #950 on: July 04, 2019, 07:08:41 AM »
What are you talking about? Playing more games here I see. I answered all your questions and you never answered any questions. Now you divert with more questions. Why not answer the simple questions G?
What scientific results? I already told you. Anyone is welcome to do real science in the real world with themselves or together. That is what I do all day long G. Maybe you just play with people online in fantasy land. I don't know. You are not willing to commit to what real science is. So far you have not even explained what you mean by science. You are using a word that means something is verifiable. But somehow you assume that can be done online. The forums are only for information sharing.
Anyway, why not answer the question G? Everyone know why G.

Thanks for the answers.  Rick blames me not being scientific and whenever I ask for scientific results I am refused.
Why is that ?

By the way, this is an open forum.  I did not know about giving information for money is the habit for you.

Gyula

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #951 on: July 04, 2019, 07:15:41 AM »
Everyone can see the few guys here that are playing on words in the hopes that future readers will just superficially read over the words and think such a thing was said. They know if they just do this day and night for years that they will drown out people and then superficial people will read it and conclude it must be true. I mean really, that was an obvious deliberate twisting. This is really dirty. This is really desperate measures. Interesting to see what is next. It is suppression overtime now people. The lies have been exposed and much truth has been shared. Hurry, get all the disinfo people on here and drown out the truth, because we don't want people reading those things. Well, I have collected and organized everything so it will not be lost, and it will not distract anyone as these people have tried to do.

There you go twisting my words. I do not charge for information. I think you have some issues, or you are being paid to impune free energy research.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #951 on: July 04, 2019, 07:15:41 AM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #952 on: July 04, 2019, 07:19:33 AM »
That's fine Itsu, I could see this. I haven't really read much of your posts since I read them near the beginning. There are plenty of things you can do. There is no reason you have do anything I have shared. But I suppose that if you don't do anything significant then G will claim something is proven by it.  ::)

Gyula,

i do not read Rick's long posts, nor see his long video's, i just don't have the stomach for it.
I bravely start reading or looking, but after a few sentences or minutes i am lost and have to give up.

Its probable me as i have the same with most of AG his posts.


Most if not all i know from my present setup came from Benfr and A.king21 as they were feeding me snippets from posts and video's.
Not ideal, i know.


Anyway, i am glad we are on the same wavelength and have been for years.

I will try to do some sympathetic resonance frequency tests with more then 2 overcoupled coils and involve
temperature tests to see if anything gets cold.


Thanks,   itsu

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #953 on: July 04, 2019, 07:27:33 AM »
Yes,
I showed the fan and guys like this took the credit. Whatever, so long as people can see the gains. Well, I guess since you posted a video link here and it gives confirmation of OU, then G has his conditions for a claim fulfilled. The truth is that thousands of people all around the world are using these fans. People have run with this. So I am very happy. One guy makes his entire living in Europe selling these. That's truly amazing considering that the power meter proves that you can't charge a battery with it, or that a cap takes 15 minutes and hardly gets up to 1V  ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMQqnaWUA98


I assume this is related to Rick's energizer technology  -for those who have never seen the video.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #953 on: July 04, 2019, 07:27:33 AM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #954 on: July 04, 2019, 07:42:13 AM »
Yeah it is actually all very involved in what I call the near near field. You are dealing with a bunch of factors that are not just waves but capacitance relationships. If you consider Tesla's perspective, then the two inductors are really two plates of a capacitor. Don Smith's L1 and L2 also can be looked at that way to. But here we can almost place the secondary coils in any position (if you move it in and out that can change). I say there is about 70% of the area around the transmitter but if you turn it in that void area it can also find an angle that powers it. The diagram you have is just a simplified view. Added to that are environmental influences and reflections and capacitance relationships. This is what I bring up in the book, and why I use the one LED as it is easy to make very small changes and see the differences. It's fun to learn this. And it is good to learn it without high power so you are not radiated.  :P

Coils at all angles.

==> ITSU, (all)
Some thoughts on a small test regarding coils in all directions:
I assume that Rick said.
A coil can be a receiver and a transmitter at the same time.
In my simple ugly picture below, I give an example of this.
Normally, coil A can't transmit energy to coils C, D with these mutual coil directions.
First test that with coils A + C + D so that the LEDs on C, D do not lit.

The ellipses roughly show the energy propagation.
But coil A can transmit energy to coil B. (red ellipse)
Thereafter, coil B repeats energy (blue ellipse) to coil C which transmits energy to coil D (purple ellipse).
This can of course be completely up in the "blue"  ::) ::) 8)

- Maybe the test has to be redone with other angles between the coils to work?
- Maybe a re-transmitting of the energy from coil B may only occur with a certain kind of load? (LED resistor, ETC)

Regards Arne

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #955 on: July 04, 2019, 07:51:17 AM »
No,
But you can learn about rectennas from this as I said before.
This is all going to be very big in the next few years. Just take a look and Energous and their recent activity with 200 fresh patents. This is huge and the new future. So what you boys are doing here is not unimportant. Obviously as you wouldn't bother if you thought it was a hoax.

Nice vid.  You have just rediscovered the relay resonator......https://www.mdpi.com/1424-8220/19/9/1963
(It was invented by one of Rick's students. I believe (Almost sure - but not 100%))
Anyhow as you and G love equations - it may enhance your understanding..


And it's starting to look more and more like a  Gabriel  Kron network system.


A quotation from the paper,"The relay resonator restricts the dissipation of the magnetic flux and generates an enhanced amount of magnetic flux from the Tx to the Rx. It consists of a rectangular loop antenna connected to a capacitor that allows the relay resonator to resonate at a fixed resonating frequency"


Quote,"Generates an enhanced amount of magnetic flux" -  Now where have we heard that before......... I wonder......

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #955 on: July 04, 2019, 07:51:17 AM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #956 on: July 04, 2019, 08:47:11 AM »
Hoppy, were you on vacation or something??? I am not aware of anyone who has given more OU demonstrations publicly.

Yes, that's right and I now wish that I had stayed out.  ;D ::)

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #957 on: July 04, 2019, 09:47:41 AM »
Hi ITSU thank you for the very interesting video.

About stomach. It's interesting that a man can can talk so much and only reveal tiny fractions. A bit like Don. But we are all different I suppose.

Now I I hope that you can make a test with my second question to see how/ if a load connected to the relay coil effects the transfer and at the same time pic up an deliver power to it's own load.

" - Maybe a re-transmitting of the energy from coil B may only occur with a certain kind of load? (LED resistor, ETC)"

Regards Arne
« Last Edit: July 04, 2019, 07:48:29 PM by seaad »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #958 on: July 04, 2019, 10:13:22 AM »

Seaad,

sorry to not mention it, but i tried with my red led satellite coil for coil B, but then this red led is on mostly
all the time, but does not cause the other satellite coils leds to turn on, not even when in the vertical position
just in front of them.

I can try to use another load (resistor, etc.).


Itsu


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #959 on: July 04, 2019, 01:28:42 PM »
A. King, Gyula, Itsu, and all!
In inductive or capacitive circuits current leads or lags voltage, and current produces magnetism in the wire and magnetism
is strongly related to gravity. So how fast can I grab the energy before the magnetic field rises and charge a capacitor with it ?
Now that is the real trick what John Bedini was on about.

AG

 

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