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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #915 on: July 02, 2019, 10:33:45 PM »
Rick,
I assume that you have built an OU device. How did you determine that it is OU?

Hi Hoppy. I have watched a number of Rick's YouTube videos in the past, and he invariably leaves
out one or more important basic measurements which would show the actual efficiency of the overall circuit
while (sometimes at least) implying it is OU. For example, he may measure an input battery voltage, but not measure the
average or RMS input current from the battery and that sort of thing, while indicating or hinting he believes it is OU. Of course
the actual efficiency will almost certainly be less than 100% if measured properly.  I personally have never seen any
claim (or hint) of OU by Rick which he backed up with proper measurements or a proper demonstration.
I am not at all trying to be negative, but just stating what I have observed.

I have done experiments with coils and resonance and taking off power using multiple receiver coils
tuned to the resonant frequency of the transmitter coil, and I personally have not seen 'OU' with such
a setup. In my experiments the power from the transmitter coil divides amongst the multiple receiver coil circuits,
as would be expected, and the total output power is less than the input power. If there is a way around this expected behavior,
I wasn't able to find it.

Regarding Don Smith, I only ever saw one video demonstration where Don Smith actually demonstrated powering a load with
one of his claimed OU devices, (his briefcase device powering a bunch of bulbs) and the output voltage
to the bank of bulbs was steadily dropping over time. Don Smith didn't leave his device connected to the bulbs
long enough to be able to determine if anything really unusual might really be going on there, but his small briefcase device
was able to power a large bank of incandescent 120V light bulbs for a while, which was still interesting to see. If he had a
small bank of batteries in his briefcase, it would have been quite a large current draw from the batteries to power all those
120V light bulbs. Don Smith didn't show how large of a battery or batteries he had inside his briefcase in that demo.
Basically Don Smith's devices were never properly demonstrated in the public that I know of. Anything that comes from
Don Smith is therefore quite questionable, as many people no doubt are already aware of.


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #916 on: July 02, 2019, 10:49:35 PM »
I think you may be again taking me out of context by directing to Itsu. My setup was not ideal, but just very basic. I said in the video that you would want the variable capacitors on each coil to properly do this. Depending on your loads you have to adjust for frequency changes. Now I have not at all got into showing how to properly convert the frequency down, so that the LED bulbs or capacitors are NOT AT ALL collecting and using the available energy at such a high frequency. These loads are like collecting energy from 1khz frequencies or less. They cannot respond that fast. And I will share a point as one of the themes next week along these lines in relation to capacitor charging and high frequencies. You guys have no idea how this works because you just think all capacitors are the same and respond a certain way. You think only in terms of Volts and Amps and have no experience in real world technology in these matters. My hint for you to start you off in one aspect of this is step charging. I'll be enlarging upon this this under the theme and idea of negative differential resistance (which really is not an appropriate name for that process) where capacitors also have very nonlinear characteristics. That's about as far as I need to go to open up many doors for you... But for the kit and basic learning we just use low frequency parts which purposely give low outputs.

itsu
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Rick quote : ......... No, only the primary was tuned. They were not positioned carefully at all. There were no variable caps other than on the primary.
This is really for my customers who already have the kit and realize that this would be possible to do if they had that many coils. But I do not recommend going to such efforts to try and prove this to yourself. We can do much more with a few coils than even everything you see in that picture/video. ........

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #917 on: July 03, 2019, 12:00:25 AM »
VOID OF CONTEXT,
You indeed misunderstand my context. I only show videos for my customers that already have these parts. So the meters are only showing here and there when it is important to consider the point of the video. Many thousands of people already have OU and are not like you guys purporting to be still trying to find it. I don't try and prove OU in any of my videos. Because how could I? Why would I expect anyone to believe such through a video? But my customers actually have the same parts and often I show them upgrades or new points to consider. If you actually watched any of my videos you would know this so your comments are out of context and therefore false. If I was trying to prove OU I wouldn't do that in video, as you cannot do that. I merely show people in the real world. Don Smith actually did that, and I have several friends that witnessed such demonstrations. OU is not really a big deal that you guys make it out to be. The big propaganda here is always trying to give the impression that it is so difficult. I have spelled out many different ways you can do it. I have demonstrated these for years. Thousands of people all around the world have done the same. These forums are just hack jobs trying to deceive the public that it is impossible or so very hard. Even people open to the idea are crippled in thinking it is so hard.

I can imply OU, it is usually expected. But this doesn't mean I ever tried to prove it in a video. Again, I am ALWAYS speaking in a way for you to show yourself these things. What else can I do Mr. Void?

All my meters are true RMS meters. The things you are mentioning are all old news. I don't try and show the input and output in every video because that is long established. You can go back to earlier days. That is so basic level that people get bored with that. They want to learn about the specific point the video is about. Fair enough???

You don't know anything about these systems. What is 100% efficiency to you? I have a fan that takes x amount of power to produce x amount of rpm and cfms. Now I change one diode and run it at same x amount of power to produce same x amount of rpm and cfms. But there is one problem with your slanderous assumptions. I am charging another battery freely at the same time. This is very old news Mr. Void of history  ::) This is about 14 years old and many thousands of people are doing this all over the world. People now want more so that is what we are doing these days. You assume evil merely because you are biased and ignorant. That is not an insult but the fact. What right do you have to assume such things? Who can assume anything from a video? What is almost certainty to you? You are trying to be negative, and that is obvious. You are assuming I am trying to prove something in a video rather than trying to help my customers in very specific ways. You are just like so many superficial people applying your own agenda upon someone else and then misjudging them for that. That is a shame! You need to listen more and judge less. You may be so desperate for free energy that you don't bother to learn how it works or listen to what people are actually saying. I'm not a fool and don't try to presume upon people and expect them to believe something over the internet. My customers apply the information in the videos and are mostly satisfied. I'm not very satisfied with my videos, just saying.  :-\ Some of these customers have shared some of these points here. More are watching in silence.

Well we have no way of knowing what you have done in your experience. Not saying that you should believe any videos, but many videos show the opposite of what you said so I think it is fairly common knowledge that that is not universal experience. There is a difference to what we are doing here. I haven't been following enough but I'm sure Itsu has seen a difference from that at this point. Who knows. Again, I showed my customers in that video, and 18 of them in the real world at the meeting, that adding more coils did not actually bring the input down to 60ma and less without lowering the power output in any of the coils. Yes, when I did certain things it did increase in input in the primary. So you have to know what you are doing. You cannot make a universal claim about this, you can only take the agnostic approach.

As for Don's 1996 video you are talking about, that is not true. And the guy measuring that said so. It really wasn't a demonstration of OU because you didn't see how it worked. Now we know what he did, and a friend of mine was there and saw inside. Don later revealed that and most people still have not realized what he did because you assume without looking at the details... Anyway, proving OU at the time would have to allow people to see everything, and he didn't. All you could conclude from that was that it probably was OU. You could really only go by his word. Don knew what he was talking about and never showed me any signs of deceit. But then again, I have verified many of this systems and claims and teaching. Anyone who is familiar with OU systems knows that he was the most significant influence in all this research. There are thousands of Don Smith systems all around the world. I know this and that is my claim. I don't expect you to believe it.

Now Don did give one significant OU demonstration that people just didn't realize. And I show this all the time. He was showing the Don Smith Effect where the capacitor duplicates the energy. He had an 8000V probe that give an inch long arc to one side of a plate. This is a real load and can be used for many applications. Other loads could be in series with that as well. It takes x amount of energy to produce that load, just like it takes x amount of power to run a motor (and I double that output by also charging a battery). In the same way as doubling the energy in the motors, he then adds a ground terminal an inch away from the other side of the plate. This is unidirectional impulsing so it is not AC. It is not supposed to go through a thick capacitor. But yet another identical arc is on the other side from the plate to the terminal. So now we have doubling of power. Two inches of arcing. People watched those videos for years and never realized what that meant.  ::)  I give several demonstrations of this sort of thing at my meetings. So there you go people. Many of you have seen the video. I even did it in a video a few years back. You can do it yourself. They even made sure that the primary side was not grounded at all and was powered from a battery so that there was no ground looping.

So people, that is how simple these things are. You are looking for some convoluted system because you have been brainwashed into the mainstream convoluted systems and believed their propaganda that this is all so hard. You are overthinking it. Now you just have to know basic things to add the appropriate loads besides arcing. And guess what? There is more. We can use more processes and collect more energy at the same time. So does the "power" meter determine what we can do? Not at all. It is just the wasted energy in the closed loop.

As for Don's case, several of them did see inside and saw the small battery. But that again is a matter of testimony. The whole video is just a video and you can't really trust any video. It seems likely that it was not fake. I have some friends who were there so it is different for me than for you. But I can do that so I don't need to that to be proven anymore. But if you watched the video you would see that a 7AH battery cannot power 1000W for even 0.01 of a second. Most people, including all those at that meeting who said something, revealed that they had no experience with batteries under load. This is what I deal with all day long. I will give you the perfect example of what I come across. So we have a UPS and alarm system charger that allows you to keep your batteries for good and not have to replace them. So when we tested the UPS systems. UPS means uninterrupted power supplies, and are used for electronics that you don't want to be turned off when the power can go out. What we found was that their ratings were flat out lies. Even new 7AH batteries cannot power the UPS at all at the ratings/claims they make on the specifications. You cannot have a 7AH battery power a 1000W load at all. The instantaneous voltage drop on the battery would bring it way down past 10.5V so that the inverter would never even run. So as soon as the power would go out on a 1000W load it would be entirely useless. Same at 500W. Realistically you can run a 100W for a bit on a 7AH battery. Maybe just enough to press save on your computer before it dives before 10.5V.

So the guys didn't even know what they were talking about. The voltage drop on a 7AH battery would have brought it way done for starters. And it would have discharged the battery very fast and ruin it in a hurry. Believe, this is what we have done for 15 years here. You can try it yourself. So the guys didn't realize that and tried to make some calculations being ignorant of voltage drops and C rates of discharge. As the C rate is lowered the losses increase as well. So the greater the load the less efficiency you have. When I do my basic inverter demonstrations at my meetings I teach on these things because most people have no idea of the basics. So I have to start from the very beginning. So even with 220AH golf cart batteries at 12V I can hardly sustain a 3000W load of incandescent bulbs with a kwa home meter for more than a few minutes before the voltage drops lower than that allowed by the inverter. So 7AH doesn't give you enough to do anything and the UPS are a big lie. I'm not sure why people are not really upset about this. It's crazy.

Anyway, if you grant that it was a 7AH battery as people saw inside, or as Don said. Obviously the case was not heavy so there was no way a bunch of heavy batteries were in there. But if you were to hook it up to a 1000W load it would just never even come on. And it wouldn't even be able to do 100W load that long. Don brought that because people rather see a demonstration with a plug, etc. than learn how to make it.  :-\

Apparently he did run it for a long time after the video ended somewhere else. But then again, that is the testimony. But your comments are not true. He did leave it long enough. Go to Batteries plus and get a brand new 7AH battery with that month's date stamp and see for yourself. Try a UPS and you will see this. Then come back here and tells you how you were wrong in this. Maybe we will hear from you again Mr. Void. Maybe not.

So how is it that you leap from your mistaken comments to the conclusion that everything he says therefore questionable. Did you even watch all the video and hear what he said about the demonstration. I transcribed the video to make sure every word was understood. You have no right to dismiss "Anything that comes from Don Smith is therefore quite questionable". And then you add that as other people are aware. You are just another disinfo person. You have not proven anything and what you say doesn't even follow. You show you have no experience with loading batteries and therefore have no reason to say what you did. Again, go get a UPS and shows us all a video showing you power 1000W over that time period. You will just have to keep adding more and more batteries till it is bigger than the case. Oops! Void of context and Void of experience in matters you make prejudiced judgments.

Hi Hoppy. I have watched a number of Rick's YouTube videos in the past, and he invariably leaves
out one or more important basic measurements which would show the actual efficiency of the overall circuit while (sometimes at least) implying it is OU. For example, he may measure an input battery voltage, but not measure the average or RMS input current from the battery and that sort of thing, while indicating or hinting he believes it is OU. Of course the actual efficiency will almost certainly be less than 100% if measured properly.  I personally have never seen any claim (or hint) of OU by Rick which he backed up with proper measurements or a proper demonstration.
I am not at all trying to be negative, but just stating what I have observed.

I have done experiments with coils and resonance and taking off power using multiple receiver coils
tuned to the resonant frequency of the transmitter coil, and I personally have not seen 'OU' with such
a setup. In my experiments the power from the transmitter coil divides amongst the multiple receiver coil circuits, as would be expected, and the total output power is less than the input power. If there is a way around this expected behavior, I wasn't able to find it.

Regarding Don Smith, I only ever saw one video demonstration where Don Smith actually demonstrated powering a load with one of his claimed OU devices, (his briefcase device powering a bunch of bulbs) and the output voltage to the bank of bulbs was steadily dropping over time. Don Smith didn't leave his device connected to the bulbs long enough to be able to determine if anything really unusual might really be going on there, but his small briefcase device was able to power a large bank of incandescent 120V light bulbs for a while, which was still interesting to see. If he had a
small bank of batteries in his briefcase, it would have been quite a large current draw from the batteries to power all those 120V light bulbs. Don Smith didn't show how large of a battery or batteries he had inside his briefcase in that demo. Basically Don Smith's devices were never properly demonstrated in the public that I know of. Anything that comes from Don Smith is therefore quite questionable, as many people no doubt are already aware of.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #918 on: July 03, 2019, 12:25:31 AM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #919 on: July 03, 2019, 09:59:08 AM »
Mr king many thanks for the info and clearing up a few old JB facts.
« Last Edit: July 03, 2019, 05:04:06 PM by AlienGrey »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #920 on: July 03, 2019, 02:41:09 PM »
Hi all, there is an other aspect to all this, the psychology aspect of asking validity questions, where the questioner has been accused out right of attacking him, and he will directly repeatedly ask me direct personal identity questions as if it is he who is on some sort of trial. The fact remains if I am interested in buying something I want to know what I am buying.
AG


Rick is not selling anything directly.  He does not give you a sales pitch. His information is free.  It is up to you to build or experiment.  Some people who do not have access to tooling equipment may decide to buy something from Rick or someone else.
So the best thing is to ask  sensible questions without being offensive or rude. You would not behave rudely in person, so why do it here?
Personally Rick has cleared up so many points for me  in the last 6 months that I now have a clear picture of how this technology works. He is the only person in the world who has come clean with this study.
The proof of what I am saying is that when I make some statements about this energy study, I get very few contradictions from Rick.
When I make a mistake he lets everyone know.
So sensible people will take note of that and verify information themselves.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #921 on: July 03, 2019, 03:02:26 PM »

Hi Itsu,

Yes, the picture you mention in member Seaad's post (#890) shows many coils and they surely influence each other.   
But look what Rick wrote about his setup earlier, when he was commenting his own pictures showing about 75 coils
around the big red coil (Seaad's picture came from A.king who took it from Rick's video, shown with some more coils):

Quote
Ideally you would properly space all these coils so that they all become both transmitters and receivers in a
sympathetic relationship with each other in a way like the London bridge that was falling down (haha, no, the London
millennial bridge). Once this is locked into place then we do in fact have what Kron talks about in a different
context, and where you can remove the input as it is self-sustaining. And more than that, you can add loads to the
transmitter and even reverse the input. This usually requires several coils around the transmitter because the
output of the transmitter drops off at the square of the distance so enough has to come back into the transmitter to
accomplish that (considering that you have transmission radiating almost in all directions and usually we are only
placing coil just horizontally around it).
The loads off the 10 bigger coils (one not shown) were bright 3W LED bulbs, and another one was powered below off a
regular coil which isn't seen in the picture. So I had at least 11 of these big LEDs and almost 70 small LEDs
powered. I also added ferrite coils with these bigger bulbs that brought the input power down without lowering the
loads. So for 80ma at 12V that was an okay demonstration. It's the 1 watt challenge.
  from https://overunity.com/17491/confirmation-of-ou-devices-and-claims/msg535253/#msg535253

And look what he wrote to me yesterday:
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Again, there is nothing wrong with taking Itsu's claims in words and pictures as something to personally consider,
but to assume that you have some correct understand of what he was doing under the circumstances is mere assumption.


So Rick knows better what I understand from your video than I myself do. LOL The many years of our cooperation on this and other forums is enough for making only assumptions.  Go figure.  Now it is my turn:  hahaha

Just keep up your excellent work! 

Gyula

Gyula,

yes, i would agree that the goal would be to tune all coupled LC circuits to the same resonant frequency,
but looking at the picture in Seaad his post #890, many of those coils are so close they are bound to influence
each other and thus detune each other.

Anyway, the term avalanche is not quite what i mean, so probably wrong here.


Itsu

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #922 on: July 03, 2019, 03:14:10 PM »
Hi Itsu,

Yes, the picture you mention in member Seaad's post (#890) shows many coils and they surely influence each other.   
But look what Rick wrote about his setup earlier, when he was commenting his own pictures showing about 75 coils
around the big red coil (Seaad's picture came from A.king who took it from Rick's video, shown with some more coils):
  from https://overunity.com/17491/confirmation-of-ou-devices-and-claims/msg535253/#msg535253

And look what he wrote to me yesterday:

So Rick knows better what I understand from your video than I myself do. LOL The many years of our cooperation on this and other forums is enough for making only assumptions.  Go figure.  Now it is my turn:  hahaha

Just keep up your excellent work! 

Gyula


I have two questions for you.


Does cold electricity exist?
Have you ever built a device which exhibits cold electricity?

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #923 on: July 03, 2019, 03:37:07 PM »
AG,
You have been playing a lot of games here. You needlessly insulted A.King when he recommended to Itsu to try grounding. Then you denied it. I quoted all the details and you just said "no comment." You are spending a lot time and wasting space here with such games. I appreciate many things you have said even with your attitude and ambiguous words at times. You have mocked me several times directly and indirectly in your questions so who are you trying to kid here? It doesn't bother me AG. You can see that I am always in good humor about it. It only serves to prove my points I have been making here. And all I am trying to do is help people here for free. This conflict ends up benefiting us all as people can now understand these games that are played on the forums while getting the important details on how to do free energy research.
I am not soliciting any sales here. I don't need you to buy anything from me but I will not refuse to sell you something if you want. Nor have I failed to answer anyone's questions. I only sell what people ask for, or rather demand. That started over 25 years ago as a special order ministry where people asked me to republish old classic books. So one thing lead to another and I became a small publisher. 15 years ago I extended that ministry to this research as well. I transcribe books for free, and patents, and make them available for print for those who would rather read them in that format. People demanded that parts be made available, so I did what I could to give them such. Same with the battery chargers. Same with the kits and books. I have not been able to keep up with the demand this year and am having to enlarge operations. I have spent a great deal of time helping you AG, and you are not a customer. I have said so many things to you that you could build such things yourself. It is evident that no matter what I do you seek to mock and pick at me in any way you want. That doesn't bother me and only serves to show everyone what is going on.
Hi all, there is an other aspect to all this, the psychology aspect of asking validity questions, where the questioner has been accused out right of attacking him, and he will directly repeatedly ask me direct personal identity questions as if it is he who is on some sort of trial. The fact remains if I am interested in buying something I want to know what I am buying.
AG

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« Reply #924 on: July 03, 2019, 04:32:36 PM »
G, you know nothing about how to do science obviously. As I said, you selectively assume what you want and reject assuming under the same conditions when you don't want to believe something. This is confirmation bias and everyone can see it. It is reckless and just circle reasoning. I did not say anything presented is useless, but merely that it cannot prove anything to anyone else because we do not know the full circumstance of the claims such as the environment and parts, etc. I am not denying that you guys have conversed over the years, but that still does not prevent mistakes from not being detected. You are just ignoring the conditions of evidence and the nature of real science and what it takes to come to rational conviction. You are just promoting rumors, speculation, confirmation bias and mocking while doing that. Not only are you doing that but you are demonstrating a double standard where you do not consistently accept claims that are given on the same level. So you are picking and choosing when a claim is to be believed with no justifiable reason. Knowing someone merely through a group, or even in person, doesn't mean anything when you are not there to see every detail of what is going on. You have already shown at least one mistake, how can you ever know if there are not more?

As for coils affecting each other. My point again is that they can and the don't effect each other depending on what you are doing. They are always effecting each other but my point is in the basic untuned video and picture there was no decrease in output, so in that way they were not affected. I wasn't being technical but merely talking about the lights not going dimmer when more coils were added. But I did say that they could get dimmer while doing some things that affected the primary. So yes that can happen as well. The point of the demo was to show my customers that you could have a situation where you added about 500 coils around the primary without dimming each load. It was not the ideal setup where each coil would be grounded and properly loaded after frequency reduced, etc.
So each coil is both a receiver and transmitter, and all the other coils will be affected by such transmission (in the lose sense of the term as I only look at is an influencer and not actually transmitting electrons). It is just that the phasing will determine how much the other coils are affected. These are the very sensitive relationships that you learn in the kit. But it is relatively easy to see all the coils not be a combined output of the input so that when you add coils each load on the existing coils does not go down, so that in my example I could have about 500 coils all around. And if properly spaced I could have no input, or negative.

Hi Itsu,
Yes, the picture you mention in member Seaad's post (#890) shows many coils and they surely influence each other.   
But look what Rick wrote about his setup earlier, when he was commenting his own pictures showing about 75 coils around the big red coil (Seaad's picture came from A.king who took it from Rick's video, shown with some more coils):
  from https://overunity.com/17491/confirmation-of-ou-devices-and-claims/msg535253/#msg535253
"Ideally you would properly space all these coils so that they all become both transmitters and receivers in a sympathetic relationship with each other in a way like the London bridge that was falling down (haha, no, the London millennial bridge). Once this is locked into place then we do in fact have what Kron talks about in a different context, and where you can remove the input as it is self-sustaining. And more than that, you can add loads to the transmitter and even reverse the input. This usually requires several coils around the transmitter because the output of the transmitter drops off at the square of the distance so enough has to come back into the transmitter to accomplish that (considering that you have transmission radiating almost in all directions and usually we are only placing coil just horizontally around it).
The loads off the 10 bigger coils (one not shown) were bright 3W LED bulbs, and another one was powered below off a regular coil which isn't seen in the picture. So I had at least 11 of these big LEDs and almost 70 small LEDs powered. I also added ferrite coils with these bigger bulbs that brought the input power down without lowering the loads. So for 80ma at 12V that was an okay demonstration. It's the 1 watt challenge. "
And look what he wrote to me yesterday:
"Again, there is nothing wrong with taking Itsu's claims in words and pictures as something to personally consider, but to assume that you have some correct understand of what he was doing under the circumstances is mere assumption."

So Rick knows better what I understand from your video than I myself do. LOL The many years of our cooperation on this and other forums is enough for making only assumptions.  Go figure.  Now it is my turn:  hahaha
Just keep up your excellent work! 
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #925 on: July 03, 2019, 04:44:12 PM »
AG,
You have been playing a lot of games here. You needlessly insulted A.King when he recommended to Itsu to try grounding. Then you denied it. I quoted all the details and you just said "no comment." You are spending a lot time and wasting space here with such games. I appreciate many things you have said even with your attitude and ambiguous words at times. You have mocked me several times directly and indirectly in your questions so who are you trying to kid here? It doesn't bother me AG. You can see that I am always in good humor about it. It only serves to prove my points I have been making here. And all I am trying to do is help people here for free. This conflict ends up benefiting us all as people can now understand these games that are played on the forums while getting the important details on how to do free energy research.
I am not soliciting any sales here. I don't need you to buy anything from me but I will not refuse to sell you something if you want. Nor have I failed to answer anyone's questions. I only sell what people ask for, or rather demand. That started over 25 years ago as a special order ministry where people asked me to republish old classic books. So one thing lead to another and I became a small publisher. 15 years ago I extended that ministry to this research as well. I transcribe books for free, and patents, and make them available for print for those who would rather read them in that format. People demanded that parts be made available, so I did what I could to give them such. Same with the battery chargers. Same with the kits and books. I have not been able to keep up with the demand this year and am having to enlarge operations. I have spent a great deal of time helping you AG, and you are not a customer. I have said so many things to you that you could build such things yourself. It is evident that no matter what I do you seek to mock and pick at me in any way you want. That doesn't bother me and only serves to show everyone what is going on.
With out prejudice

Rick, you can spin a yarn or two,  Perhaps I should cut you loose and leave you to your problems as this conjecture is doing my head in as they say and going nowhere.
Over and out.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #925 on: July 03, 2019, 04:44:12 PM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #926 on: July 03, 2019, 04:55:07 PM »
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« Reply #927 on: July 03, 2019, 04:56:16 PM »
I think you need to go back to that one line he said here:
Quote: Reply #568 on: June 16, 2019, 01:04:01 AM

"I show scepticism with any extraordinary claim which is not proved in practice with measurements correctly, and this latter is not the case yet with your setup.  I never wrote that obtaining excess energy is not possible at all.  I do have an open mind and I believe that a circuit setup can surely be built which can produce extra energy compared to its input we feed in.  So far your setup in question does not seem to produce any extra output."

If he has refused to explain WHY he "believes that a circuit setup can surely be built which can produce extra energy compared to its input we feed in", then it is unlikely we will get anything similar out of him. Again, what basis does he have for this when he disbelieves the basis for such "extra energy" outputs? His power meter limitations forbid such.

I reverse argue his first point and say it is an extraordinary claim to state such a thing as the law of conservation of energy. How can that be proven? And how can one prove that such power meters are the final say in what can be done? I have shown that you can take billions of existing fans and make them produce almost double the output from what such power meters are telling you.

And as for my setup, he has a double standard for what he believes and disbelieves. It is foolish to propose that anyone is being urged to believe a claim over the internet, and I never proposed that. It is because of this subtle fallacy that I have been turning this over again and again. G refuses to answer these and related questions because they expose his bias, assumptions, and false theories and arbitrary conditions. He went away and then came back hoping people would forget these questions that expose all this. So it goes back to this question about what the highlighted sentence really means. Just why would he even say this when everything he writes is contrary to such sentence. Maybe if he would explain what grounds he has for saying that it would actually help us when that is what we are supposed to be focused on here, rather than him applying mainstream reasoning to everything and tearing down claims as impossible.

So again, what is the basis for that belief when everything he says is contrary. All his assumptions are for claims against OU and in support of mainstream theory that excludes the possibility. So the sentence has all appearance of being a hoax itself, and his refusal to answer this tends to confirm that.

I have two questions for you.
Does cold electricity exist?
Have you ever built a device which exhibits cold electricity?

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #928 on: July 03, 2019, 05:05:27 PM »

I have two questions for you.

Does cold electricity exist?
Have you ever built a device which exhibits cold electricity?
A.king,

I do not know what you mean on cold electricity here. Would you define it?

I read about Floyd Sweet's so called VTA device whose connecting wires were said to change suddenly from room temp to below freezing point temperature when Floyd shorted (accidentaly?) the output wires.  I have no reason to say Floyd lied, and on the other hand, to my knowledge nobody has managed to replicate the device. 

No I have not built a device which exhibits cold electricity if cold electricity means much lower than room temperature for you.
The problem is if you mean a component in a device has "stone cold" temperature, then I did build circuits where the components including transistors remained cool to the touch but not exceptionally, not unusually cold if you mean that. 

Notice: if I have a transistor type in metal casing, TO3 case for instance, like the good old 2N3055, then touching the metal body of such working (but not overpowered) transistor may give a cold to touch feeling just like any other metal surface in the room. This is because any ventilation in the room, or small air movement would cool metal surfaces quicker (metals good heat conductors). 

Itsu:  One further point.  When the phase conjugate mirror occured the coils went stone cold and the earth wire went stone cold. Also the big coil went stone cold.
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I ask: did you use an infra thermometer or any thermometer to establish those wires actual temperatures? Can you repeat that test and check it if you did not check temperature back then?  How many degree Celsius (or F)  "stone cold" means?

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #929 on: July 03, 2019, 06:18:48 PM »

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Cold electricity:  Let us say you light up a 4 watt 12 volt led lightbulb.  Under normal conditions it would heat up.  Even if your voltage was low there should still be a slight heating effect.  That is ordinary or conventional electricity.
When you light up the same bulb using high frequency and/or an earth ground utilising Tesla single wire technology, the bulb lights up cold.
ie no heating effect which should be present.  Secondly it dips in temperature to varying degrees depending upon the circuit. This effect also happens on the RICK (Resonance induction coupler kit) under certain conditions.  It most certainly happens using a Slayer output to bulb and earth ground in a series configuration.


 

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