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Offline rickfriedrich

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #900 on: July 02, 2019, 06:07:42 PM »
It is not realistic in the sense that you would try and set something like this up as some of you are trying to do. This is just giving you an easy thing to do show what Don Smith said that if you filled a room full of coils you could multiply the process out again and again. I showed 18 guys this in the second meeting. I did the video to show the other 18 guys in the first meeting what they missed as I didn't have time to set it up in the first meeting.

It is not realistic for high power generation as we are not showing this a something that you are going to network all the outputs together. This is just analogous to radio transmission. As I said, you would do a secondary within the primary and do 1/4 wave or harmonic relationships. This is just a basic tool to learn resonance and impedance relationships. And I just had to be dramatic about just what you could do with even this kit because everyone expects this from me. I had to do the big boat, lawnmower, etc., because no one else was going to.

No, only the primary was tuned. They were not positioned carefully at all. There were no variable caps other than on the primary.
This is really for my customers who already have the kit and realize that this would be possible to do if they had that many coils. But I do not recommend going to such efforts to try and prove this to yourself. We can do much more with a few coils than even everything you see in that picture/video. The goal of the kit was just to get started and give you something tangible. Just experiencing resonance was my main objective. I was amazed that so many people never really understood basic resonance. And that is why I did this kit. Secondly, to focus in on the gains in voltage in a series resonant circuit. You can even see one guy here having a hard time believing that the voltage across the coil or capacitor was much higher than the input voltage. The next thing was to see this somehow be extracted into real loads. But that is another separate matter which has only been shown in the simplest way. It was never my intention to make this an OU device, but rather a tool to learn the sensitive relationships. And that worked very well as everyone has shared. I did give advanced information on how to proceed from there, but it wasn't my objective to overwhelm people with that. If I had shared all that then people, as we see right here on this thread, would jump to trying to get high output right away and pass over the fundamentals. And then I would fail in one of my main goals, and that is to keep this all safe. Many of you are reckless and obviously do not know what you are doing. You may one day kill yourself because of this recklessness because you didn't take the time to start from the beginning and work your way up to the higher power systems. So if you actually do what AG said, and jump into a higher power Tesla coil like the pictures he showed, there is a possibility that you could be killed. It is no joke no matter how much these guys want to play with your minds and expose you to danger. Those of us working in this research have a responsibility to protect others and not encourage reckless or unscientific practices as we see here. 

Realistic ???
All of them fine tuned coils ???
Yes.

Arne

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #900 on: July 02, 2019, 06:07:42 PM »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #901 on: July 02, 2019, 06:27:21 PM »
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapt11.html
 " the Joseph Newman Motor.....

Dr.  Roger Hastings.....  800% efficiency...

 with 1,5 Watt power input ,the back emf exceeded 80000 Watts.  ...."

Peak efficiency/average efficiency. ?  No/quarter/half/full load condition


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #902 on: July 02, 2019, 07:16:54 PM »
Hi AG,
You would need to clarify what you are not sure in as being true?  Did you mean the split resonance occuring ? Something else?

Anyway, I do not rule out the possible usefulness of split resonance between mutually coupled LC circuits, all I meant was that the receiver coils in this setup are said to be tuned to the same frequency, no offtuning are allowed, otherwise energy transfer suffers.

Gyula
then Yes it is the exact same frequency !

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #902 on: July 02, 2019, 07:16:54 PM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #903 on: July 02, 2019, 07:19:39 PM »

"Rick: It was never my intention to make this an OU device, but rather a tool to learn the sensitive relationships."
 :o

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #904 on: July 02, 2019, 07:38:06 PM »
What is wrong with that? The original kit was only meant to teach Faraday's laws and experience Resonance inductive coupling along with a crystal radio. That was good enough to be useful. I took that much further, and greatly multiplied the experiments, especially by adding the additional coils and one wire output. I decided part way through to have some focus of showing the gains possible. But yes, the primary focus was to make this a tool to learn about the very sensitive relationships between the coils, which is what Itsu appears to be trying to do here. Why would that call for a  :o Maybe you are not aware of the history here, or the importance of keeping things at a safe level in trying to protect people from hurting themselves as so many have done.

"Rick: It was never my intention to make this an OU device, but rather a tool to learn the sensitive relationships."
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #905 on: July 02, 2019, 08:20:48 PM »
Rick
This thread is : confirmation-of-ou-devices
                              and-claims

 I'm anyhow glad that you put the safety first.

Arne

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #906 on: July 02, 2019, 08:42:19 PM »
Rick,
I assume that you have built an OU device. How did you determine that it is OU?

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #906 on: July 02, 2019, 08:42:19 PM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #907 on: July 02, 2019, 08:45:40 PM »
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapt11.html
 " the Joseph Newman Motor.....

Dr.  Roger Hastings.....  800% efficiency...

 with 1,5 Watt power input ,the back emf exceeded 80000 Watts.  ...."

Peak efficiency/average efficiency. ?  No/quarter/half/full load condition
Half wave would cancel it self out as it would be 2 negative peeks or 2 positive peeks.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #908 on: July 02, 2019, 09:08:24 PM »
Half wave would cancel it self out as it would be 2 negative peeks or 2 positive peeks.

If such a high back emf what was as forward emf to measure  ? No given value. !
Was it only an arithmetical  Henrypeak-to-Wattpeak conversion by Dr. Hastings ?
80000/1,5= > 53.000 or > 5300000% inrush/outrush peak ratio
How much Tesla-pulse force for given Volt-Ampere/Frequency input  ?!
( do you think in german Max-Planck- and Fraunhofer-Institutions they are not interested about extreme "divergenz" ? )
http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=WO&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2009124783&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #908 on: July 02, 2019, 09:08:24 PM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #909 on: July 02, 2019, 09:27:57 PM »
Arne,
Thank you for saying one positive thing. Safety is far more important than getting free energy. For who can calculate a death or severe injury?
I never said it wasn't an OU device. I said I never intended it to be an OU claim. I even wanted to not use those words. But then it became impossible to avoid the subject when dealing with resonance. So then I enlarged upon that subject with the kit.

Now there is a problem with the different definitions of the words Over Unity and I doubt that everyone would agree on those terms. Some people want more than over unity, and in this thread I think you all expect self-running. Now I certainly did not make the kit to be a self-runner. But I did get into the way of doing that the proper way (as in having several secondary coils in the right special relationships from the primary so that they are all transmitters and receiver coils) where the input could actually go to zero with the right phasing. You guys are trying to do it the wrong way with the wrong parts, but you still may even be able to do it that way.

You guys were all talking about this kit long before I came here to help out. I told A.King not to promote my kits on these forums as they just bring out some of the clowns who want to play games. The other forum he did this turned out really bad, but now they have apologized and invited me back. So I didn't come here to push anything or any product on anyone. I was welcomed and have been helpful and to the point. I gave you all what you want. And if that is not enough you can watch my videos for meters or whathaveyou. People can even come to meetings and see such things in the real world. Tell me where you find that these days? Even some of these people have shared what they saw, as well as others who have the kit. Therefore I have satisfied the improper conditions of a proper claim of OU on this thread, one that assumes you can make a proof claim by video, pictures and words. I did that while expressly titling the video that you cannot prove OU over the internet so that no one would get the wrong impression from me (as I have said for years the same thing). As I said over and over again, that there is a double standard with you guys. You folks will readily believe anything that supposedly supports mainstream claims and anything that appears to go against OU, but you do not believe the same quality or nature of a claim or that appears to support and OU claim. This is deceptive. Why is a negative claim to be believed without sufficient proof, while a positive one automatically disbelieved (or where people demand more than they would for a negative claim). How many times do I have to say this before anyone says, yeah Rick, that is logical??? Again, no claim should be accepted as fact or proven, and anyone giving such indication should be corrected. We should merely thank someone for their contribution and then try and confirm to ourselves these things. Nothing wrong with testimony and claims. But to assume they are proven is not science. It is just disinformation resulting in endless nonsense.

Rick
This thread is : confirmation-of-ou-devices
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 I'm anyhow glad that you put the safety first.

Arne

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #910 on: July 02, 2019, 09:57:22 PM »
Danger Danger Danger.
Yesterday I got my first mains power electric shock in five years from experimenting with the DSE. It was totally unexpected as I was looping the output to the input but accidently touched one of the capacitors. Luckily it was only a 450 volt 4.7uf motor run capacitor. I verified the output with a  220 volt  mains bulb and it lit for maybe half a second and then dimmed out.
The input was 4 x 1.2 volt nimhs in series, charged to about 5 volts. I am not posting the circuit or giving any more details out, nor am I claiming OU.
What I am claiming is that the DSE IS LETHAL.  Don't go anywhere near it unless you are a qualified person and wear protective clothing at all times.


I realise why Rick is ultra cautious now.  This stuff is no joke.  It will KILL YOU if you make a mistake.
  The resonance kit is safe  if you follow the book instructions.
Do not use an earth ground.


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #910 on: July 02, 2019, 09:57:22 PM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #911 on: July 02, 2019, 10:05:29 PM »
Hi Itsu,

Well, the split resonance point found due to the mutual coupling sounds an unwanted situation here because
it represents offtuned satellite LC circuits.  The goal is tuning all coupled LC circuits to the same resonant frequency.
I do not know whether 'avalanche effect' may come about under the split resonance case, have never heard about
such with mutually coupled LC circuits, not even with carefully adjusted ones which are tuned exactly to the same
resonant frequency. 
Claims like 'sympathetic resonance' or 'phase conjugate mirroring' ought to be proved to bring extra output energy
in this TX-RX resonant LC circuits discussed here.  Of course, nothing can be proved via the web or by videos...  ::)
Gyula

Gyula,

yes, i would agree that the goal would be to tune all coupled LC circuits to the same resonant frequency,
but looking at the picture in Seaad his post #890, many of those coils are so close they are bound to influence
each other and thus detune each other.

Anyway, the term avalanche is not quite what i mean, so probably wrong here.


Itsu

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #912 on: July 02, 2019, 10:09:12 PM »
Hoppy, were you on vacation or something??? I am not aware of anyone who has given more OU demonstrations publicly.
As for determining OU, you have to start by telling us what is OU? Anything over unity is OU. But what is unity? I'm not playing with words here, but people are vague on these words.
I do not rely on meters to evaluate my outputs over a few minutes like so many people do. But I can use meters, every type of meter that is used pretty much, to get a feel for where something is at. You can only really do this when you are experienced and run a system for weeks at a time. This is especially important when you are using batteries. And my tests have to last for years because the first premise of my company is "Battery longevity", so I refuse to promote Bedini's destructive (so-called) Tesla switch because even though you can get it to self-charge, you end up ruining your batteries. We even made one of my battery chargers do that.

So what I am looking for is not merely some 5 minute test like these Bedini people usually limited themselves to under my observation. Since I am looking at these things for production purposes and want to know the long-term affect and ensure stability (which are two of my requirements) I look at tests over the long-haul. So if it is battery system, I have to see it over more than days. It needs to be months or even years. I did that with the 26' boat and Porsche for example. The boat had and OU device while the Porsche had just a beefted up warp 9 forklift motor. The Porsche only had the OU system in it for a very short time because they all turned on me at the last big convention... So the one boat here (as there were three OU boat's I did--actually 4 if you include the watercraft) was OU in the sense that I continually rotated around the batteries for three years. That was not automatic. I had two big Anderson connectors I just swapped around whenever the primary went down. The purpose of that experiment was to show everyone that you could do this with the basic setup. Two of my customers actually did this before I did on very large sale boats and went around the world. So I had to at least do something like that for everyone to see. Now the watercraft I showed in a video running on the lake while powering a 100W LED very bright. That did not have the gate driver so it is much better now. But it had the option of either having the light or charging a second battery that could be rotated in the same way as the big boat. Same motor, and same circuit except with Mosfets instead of transistors.

Of course I had meters on the big boat so I could see when to rotate. Now we have the automatic rotation using a latching contactor that only draws power when you switch. Of course I looked at the spike and magnetic radiation and everything you would want to look at. But I am a real-world guy and I get use these in the real world once it is working. This is all very old news.

The motors are mentioned here as additional claims. I still don't expect people to believe any demonstration even in person. So I only expect people to prove things to themselves.

As for the Resonance kit, I do use all the meters people use. I could get into all those discussions but it is pointless at this point because people are ignoring the fundamentals that you need to start with. I am in the process of making a major presentation over the holidays so I will address these things in the proper order. The problem is that the meters are measuring the wasted energy and not the total energy. That is fundamental. So everything is looked at backwards. It's like looking at mosfet specs and seeing power dissipation ratings and thinking that is the limit through them. Again, the power measurements do not tell you if you are just using the inductor by itself for other purposes or if you use it to drive a motor and/or as a transmitter. So when no one cares about driving a motor with their amplifier boost system, I drive a motor also and get double the output than is admitted. When they only want to drive a motor I drive the motor and also get the electric output. The power meter is not showing you what you can do with the circuit or how much load you can drive. That is all the huge dirty little secret. I am showing here and with the motors that you can do many kinds of loads that add up WITH POWER METERS on the end loads, to be OU or more output than the fake laws are claimed to limit you. Who made such laws? Was it given by special revelation from God? No. By the slavemasters of our world.

Anyway, you can use meters if you know what they are and their limitations, as well as how they can sometimes change your results (as we saw with Itsu the other day). Inline ampere meters can really change the output in the motor systems, but they can also show that it is not amperage that is charging the battery. So the meters can also baffle the G's of this world, and they don't want to talk about such readings. Meters can show you an estimation of where you are at, like when we see zero voltage AC or DC on the regular LF meters, and that shows me when it is in tune. But I don't use such meters with HF and I use scopes all the time. I also measure various radiation with different meters. The meters show me that I can add more and more loads where no one else does. Here a transformer, there a capacitor, over there a coil. Here a bulb, there an electret. It's crazy how much energy is deliberately overlooked. And it is very laborious for me to go over these super basics here considering that fact. Once you understand the themes you will understand what that means. After several Aha! moments/experiences.

Rick,
I assume that you have built an OU device. How did you determine that it is OU?

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #913 on: July 02, 2019, 10:14:42 PM »
To ==> itsu   Not ==> Rick
 #900
Rick quote : ......... No, only the primary was tuned. They were not positioned carefully at all. There were no variable caps other than on the primary.
This is really for my customers who already have the kit and realize that this would be possible to do if they had that many coils. But I do not recommend going to such efforts to try and prove this to yourself. We can do much more with a few coils than even everything you see in that picture/video. ........

 Regards Arne

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« Reply #914 on: July 02, 2019, 10:29:51 PM »
Some people laugh at this stuff and think it all a joke. They slap together a bigger Don Smith setup and really hurt themselves it they actually approach doing it right. I get all the calls and stories. Many years back I had a best friend who was in charge of supervising power in Northern Canada. He shared stories with me about seeing men actually vaporize in front of him. Those kinds of stories always instilled in me that safety is the first rule of the shop. Safety of the batteries and biological safety as well. I have knowledge of what many Russians have done with massive Tesla coils and the radiation they have exposed themselves to. Many die from this after working with hundreds of thousands of watts. Crazy recklessness. I have shown the large coils at some of my meetings that can be used for grid size systems that would require massive transformers as big as a house. There is a lot of things you have to do to set up such systems for even the simplest testing. It is no joke to play around with even fairly small setups. A relatively small Tesla coil can result in powering 5 kw loads with the additional collection and wave shaping processes. So they can cause significant harm to you if you somehow become part of those processes and a conduit to ground. Most of you may not be aware of this, but I sometimes show the Tesla Cold Fire information at my meetings. Tesla said 100 years ago that we would all be using cell phones as we are and also said we would all have Tesla cold fire baths. No need for water when we can use a tesla coil at 500,000V to 1,000,000V. Shows a man and a bunny experiencing it. This is what Tesla did and what some do and didn't need to sleep more than 2 hours a night. Good luck in ever passing that through regulations. Can you imagine what would happen if parts broke down and you had some serious amperage? Interesting and dangerous stuff. At the last CDA Idaho Convention in 2011 I had a guy who made me a big Tesla coil and he tried to kill me with it... So I take these things seriously. I only knew a few guys to survive lightning strikes. Once you have close calls like this you just have to warn others.

Danger Danger Danger.
Yesterday I got my first mains power electric shock in five years from experimenting with the DSE. It was totally unexpected as I was looping the output to the input but accidently touched one of the capacitors. Luckily it was only a 450 volt 4.7uf motor run capacitor. I verified the output with a  220 volt  mains bulb and it lit for maybe half a second and then dimmed out.
The input was 4 x 1.2 volt nimhs in series, charged to about 5 volts. I am not posting the circuit or giving any more details out, nor am I claiming OU.
What I am claiming is that the DSE IS LETHAL.  Don't go anywhere near it unless you are a qualified person and wear protective clothing at all times.


I realise why Rick is ultra cautious now.  This stuff is no joke.  It will KILL YOU if you make a mistake.
  The resonance kit is safe  if you follow the book instructions.
Do not use an earth ground.

 

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