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Author Topic: Confirmation of OU devices and claims  (Read 554269 times)

lancaIV

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #660 on: June 23, 2019, 12:18:52 AM »
https://www.google.com/search?q=borderlands.de+energy+multiplier&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m
www.borderlands.de  Technology of Free Energy Multiplier
f. e.  page 19 referring somebody named "Rick Friedrich"

a.king21

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #661 on: June 23, 2019, 12:38:33 AM »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #662 on: June 23, 2019, 12:53:11 AM »
Lancia is familiar :  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bianca_Lancia
LancaIV( luso-written) is enough

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #663 on: June 23, 2019, 04:51:51 AM »
RICK  interesting development:  By intercepting the led on the satellite coil with a bridge rectifier I was able to get over 17 volts and 9 ma. This was enough to  the charge the gate driver battery. So the whole set up was stuck on 10.8 volts for hours. I also attached an earth ground to the negative terminal of the output of the bridge and it increased the output by 1/2 volt and approximately 0.4 ma .
I kept the led in the circuit for tuning purposes. Why the led doesn't blow beats me- (although I have had one go bang the other day) The frequency gen was powered separately.
The thing in the centre of some of some of the coils is a ferrite rod used for additional tuning purposes.  Another development of the RICK. (Resonance induction coupler kit)

So here you have a direct example of why EEs very rarely discover anything.  Everyone knows that an led needs about 3.7 volts. Everyone knows an led will blow at 6 volts. AND EVERYONE IS WRONG. Try it.lol
And yes it will power another 4 watt 12 volt bulb.  Figure that one out, lol

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #664 on: June 23, 2019, 06:16:58 AM »
Nice A,
So this was while the other loads were running as well. I have a few comments.
The LED in the kit take a good bit of abuse before it burns out and that was why I chose it. You have a different bulb but obviously they can take some as well.
The frequency generator only sends a logic signal to the gate driver so as I wrote before it is not even a consideration. One of my students shows the kit running with one of the receiver coils replacing the frequency generator (but not the gate driver input). So this would be interesting.
However, the claim here doesn't actually mean very much because we have no information about the voltages on the battery to get any idea whether the battery just hit a plateau. There are several such places where the battery can sit for a while and where people think they have something. Like 12.2V is another such place.
Now I don't want to burst any excitement because I think that is a decent output for one coil. It probably isn't enough to sustain it because it usually runs at at least 25ma (unless you have some reduction in input due to lock in mirroring).
Now remember, that this coil would just be one of hundreds of such outputs.

So is this the sort of things people are looking for on this thread? Is this a claim and can or should be believed at all? Is this sort of thing, if meters were shown with pictures or video, to be accepted as Itsu's details? I'm just wondering.

RICK  interesting development:  By intercepting the led on the satellite coil with a bridge rectifier I was able to get over 17 volts and 9 ma. This was enough to  the charge the gate driver battery. So the whole set up was stuck on 10.8 volts for hours. I also attached an earth ground to the negative terminal of the output of the bridge and it increased the output by 1/2 volt and approximately 0.4 ma .
I kept the led in the circuit for tuning purposes. Why the led doesn't blow beats me- (although I have had one go bang the other day) The frequency gen was powered separately.
The thing in the centre of some of some of the coils is a ferrite rod used for additional tuning purposes.  Another development of the RICK. (Resonance induction coupler kit)

So here you have a direct example of why EEs very rarely discover anything.  Everyone knows that an led needs about 3.7 volts. Everyone knows an led will blow at 6 volts. AND EVERYONE IS WRONG. Try it.lol
And yes it will power another 4 watt 12 volt bulb.  Figure that one out, lol

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #665 on: June 23, 2019, 08:39:48 AM »
A,
I should also say that this is one way Don shows to keep the input charged if you look in the book you will see the schematic. In that case you would make the coil the connecting wire to the oscillator. But when you learn the 1/4 wave relationships you will not need to go to such lengths. In the powerful or commercial setups you would start with having the L2 secondary tuned for maximum output and then either add this sort of appendage to the side to keep the input powered, or you would make another wavelength receiver out of the wire.

RICK  interesting development:  By intercepting the led on the satellite coil with a bridge rectifier I was able to get over 17 volts and 9 ma. This was enough to  the charge the gate driver battery. So the whole set up was stuck on 10.8 volts for hours. I also attached an earth ground to the negative terminal of the output of the bridge and it increased the output by 1/2 volt and approximately 0.4 ma .
I kept the led in the circuit for tuning purposes. Why the led doesn't blow beats me- (although I have had one go bang the other day) The frequency gen was powered separately.
The thing in the centre of some of some of the coils is a ferrite rod used for additional tuning purposes.  Another development of the RICK. (Resonance induction coupler kit)

So here you have a direct example of why EEs very rarely discover anything.  Everyone knows that an led needs about 3.7 volts. Everyone knows an led will blow at 6 volts. AND EVERYONE IS WRONG. Try it.lol
And yes it will power another 4 watt 12 volt bulb.  Figure that one out, lol

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #666 on: June 23, 2019, 09:36:02 AM »
Hi Rick,


I appreciate your long reply to Hoppy, and I appreciate you trying to explain how things really were. But I would appreciate even more if you could be more precise technically, else the confusion will go on forever.


1. I am not writing the following to contradict what you say about negative energy, and I DO understand the negative spikes with a fast change rate and that they are a trigger for converging a different form of energy to batteries, and that lower impedance in both, batteries and output wires help things a lot. BUT, if you keep saying that a) there is no current on the output, and b) that you can't charge a battery that's at a higher voltage than the primary you are not being precise and this keeps confusing people. Any DC-DC converter relies on buck-boost coil collapse (flyback) technology to convert lower to higher or higher to lower voltage, so charging a battery from another battery at any voltage is really not a special feature. Now about the current on the output, if you connect the scope to the switching device you see the typical h wave of an SG or the wave of a solid state oscillator. What we see below the zero line is the coil being powered from the primary battery, immediately followed by the neg. spike we see on the positive side on the scope (because of how we connect the scope) which results from the coil being switched off but not wanting to invert its current flow, immediately followed by the current starting to flow from the resulting collapsing magnetic field of the coil. So, depending on what we connect to the output we will see an according discharge of current also. If we discharge into a 12V battery the current discharge pulse will be almost as wide in time and amplitude (on the scope) as the power pulse, depending on coil resistance, device efficiency, SG or solid state, etc... If we discharge into a 48V battery we will see a much narrower discharge puls after the spike, because the discharging coil automatically adapts to the load voltage and in this case gives higher voltage but less current. This is just to be precise. There definitely is the negative spike which triggers another event we end up finding in the battery, but to say there is NO current and a battery should not charge is not right in my view. The amount of current can vary a lot depending on load voltage, tuning, etc... but there is some.


2. I am not a person of many words, but I like clarity and precision. I couldn't find a straight answer to Hoppy's question whether negative charging damages batteries or not. Would you suggest charging directly or use cap discharge? Also, on the output, would you suggest putting the batteries in series rather than in parallel (even if the impedance would be higher in series)?


3. To rotate negatively charged batteries, why not simply put a big capacitor across the input, since it converts to positive and is what inverters have on the input which we can use?


4. You said you've used SCR cap discharge triggered by a 1n4007 diode, that would dump the cap at 1V above the battery right? What cap size did you use mostly and what aprox. rate? I know it depends on many things. Do you recommend dumping a cap with a neon triggered SCR dump at 90V? I've built probably 40 or 50 variations of circuits from HV small caps to low voltage big caps and everything in between, so I'm kind of curious among all the confusion that's around what you would finally suggest as the best cap dump voltage from your experience.


5. I suppose you missed my post 643?


thanks,
Mario

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #667 on: June 23, 2019, 10:54:28 AM »
quote: "Is he selling a kit with parts mounted on nice "footboards" that will not operate correctly gathered together.
              Maybe the perpendicular way is the only way that cerates some good effects? "

I don't know Arne, i tried the satellite coils (and big coil) in all possible positions and combinations, but the "all vertical" yields the best results.

Itsu

Just wonder ??? See pic 1!

Ricks directions pic 2

Regards Arne
« Last Edit: June 23, 2019, 04:51:41 PM by seaad »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #668 on: June 23, 2019, 10:55:57 AM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #669 on: June 23, 2019, 11:01:47 AM »
Hi Mario,
Good to hear from you. Nice description in item 1 on how energy is transferred. ;) :)
As you well know, it takes very careful observation to see exactly what's happening with the energiser. I'm not sure that John fully understood its operation technically. If he did, he never explained it correctly and in detail to his followers.

Was not me who asked the question in item 2.

Regards Hoppy

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #670 on: June 23, 2019, 11:17:04 AM »
Hi Hoppy,


yes sorry, yours wasn't a question. It came from your statement:
Towards the end of those cult years, John made an astounding admission, that all our battery 'spiking' with energisers without the use of cap pulsers, was damaging our batteries!!. I'd had enough of it by then and moved into what has become a new cult - Kapanadze free energy devices.


Unless I missed it I felt Rick didn't really address this issue, as it's part of the things that need to be clarified, in my opinion.

cheers,
Mario

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #671 on: June 23, 2019, 12:07:37 PM »
A.king21,

Please would you clarify a few things: 

1) Is the 17V DC an unloaded voltage your DMM measured across the output of the bridge rectifier? 

2) where and how did you exactly measure the 9 mA? (Between which two points did you connect the ampermeter
    and you got the 9 mA?) 

3) Did you check the DC voltage across the LED with your DMM voltmeter? (I mean the LED that you referred to
    and did not blow. Is it a 12V, 3 or 4 W LED bulb or the smaller sized 5-10 mm OD white LED?)   

I would continue commenting after your answers. 

Gyula

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #672 on: June 23, 2019, 01:51:11 PM »
The reason I mentioned the experiment is so that others can replicate.  It is not enough for me to state what I did. Others with better measuring techniques can do the experiment.  The led is a 5 mm. I measured the output of the bridge rectifier. I knew there was some power there because of the tongue test.  The output was an ordinary 12 volt 4 watt bulb not lit to full brightness. Also the gate driver battery voltage went up from 10.05 to 10.08 volts when I connected the bridge to the gate driver battery.
Afterwards I disconnected the gate driver but left the freq gen on and it continued to charge the gate driver battery, so I ended up with the gate driver battery powering at 10.10 volts before I finished the test! ( Obviously charged by the freq gen).  I hope!  ie I redid the experiment to see if the battery kept at 10.10 volts under load - which it did. My set up is at 137 khz so I can access the cheaper frequency generators although I have a tap at 180 khz.  The device goes out of tune quickly so you need the extra tuning devices like internal ferrite rods. So it was being tuned and re-tuned between 135 khz and 142 khz. The gate driver can easily go to 18 volts at these frequencies so the experiment was very under powered.  The main point is I have established a new experiment  which may open up the way for a self runner.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #673 on: June 23, 2019, 02:07:52 PM »
Hi Hoppy,


yes sorry, yours wasn't a question. It came from your statement:
Towards the end of those cult years, John made an astounding admission, that all our battery 'spiking' with energisers without the use of cap pulsers, was damaging our batteries!!. I'd had enough of it by then and moved into what has become a new cult - Kapanadze free energy devices.


Unless I missed it I felt Rick didn't really address this issue, as it's part of the things that need to be clarified, in my opinion.

cheers,
Mario
OK understood. I agree that the 'spiking' issue needs clarification.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #674 on: June 23, 2019, 02:14:26 PM »
A further point.  I replaced Rick's led with superbright leds for a better visual effect. The red leds with the kit are brilliant although I have blown one of them.  But then I abuse every component to get the maximum out of the experiment.