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Offline a.king21

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #630 on: June 20, 2019, 05:47:22 PM »
Sorry for apparently going off topic.  The only reason I brought it up is to remind us that there are obvious ways to see that excess energy can be seen.  So if experimenters have not seen excess energy yet it does not mean that it is not there. It just means that the experiment is not right.


If my understanding is correct I think you need about 10 coils correctly positioned to get a phase lock using Rick's kt with the 180 khz design. The OU would not come from electrical connections the conventional way, but from the magnetic fields interacting in a resonant way.
This is why it is sometimes inappropriate to follow the directions of people who do not do these experiments and quote from EE books.
Conventional electrical science knows nothing about magnetic resonance  as Walter Lewin of MIT has proved. 

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #630 on: June 20, 2019, 05:47:22 PM »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #631 on: June 20, 2019, 06:10:31 PM »
Sorry for apparently going off topic.  The only reason I brought it up is to remind us that there are obvious ways to see that excess energy can be seen.  So if experimenters have not seen excess energy yet it does not mean that it is not there. It just means that the experiment is not right.


If my understanding is correct I think you need about 10 coils correctly positioned to get a phase lock using Rick's kt with the 180 khz design. The OU would not come from electrical connections the conventional way, but from the magnetic fields interacting in a resonant way.
This is why it is sometimes inappropriate to follow the directions of people who do not do these experiments and quote from EE books.
Conventional electrical science knows nothing about magnetic resonance  as Walter Lewin of MIT has proved.
Well there must be a good few who do in Lithuania and a good few of the Russian speaking countries in fact there is a guy the 'master' who demonstrates it, alas he offers no circuit diagrams but explains any wire with current flowing in it can produce a 'pinch' effect' when driven by a pulse, he also says while your generating your magnetic field it kills the effect Nick Z talks about.
So sounds like you need to experiment, in some of the DS vids he shows a tiny neon spark gap, does that really work ??

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #632 on: June 20, 2019, 08:26:34 PM »
The reason why I give long videos and postings is to avoid misunderstandings. Tensions are high here as they easily get on forums on important subjects. Hopefully we can avoid giving knee-jerk reactions or fostering the same.
I'm not really sure that it would be evident to people, especially when most would not even think the technology is possible, that there was some free energy or overly efficient process in dustifying the towers. The reaction I get from people is that they think a lot of energy must have been used to do that. Even though it doesn't take much energy to do such things it really is a problematic example/analogy as it takes a good deal of work to investigate this in order to come to the conclusions Dr. Wood came to. I think people can fairly easily come to see that some very unusual things happened that day, but it is not as easy to determine exactly what, especially how much energy it would take.
As for my 180Khz bigger coil demo, this was just me making a random coil that was almost equal lengthwise with width which results in good Q. Then I just matched up suitable caps for it and the regular kit coils so they could run at the same frequency. As there are not a whole lot of options in the nanofarads I chose 5nF for the small coil which resulted in a resonant frequency of around 180kHz. And the big coil turned out to have exactly 2mH inductance with 123 turns around a 6" pvc connector (thin walled one). I found 351pf @ 186kHz = 5000+V while input was 18V varying the power from 30 to 260ma. Tuning it to match the smaller coils resonant frequency brought the circulating voltage to around 4500V. I used a high quality variable capacitor for this. This showed that there is sort of a sweet spot of frequency/cap values even though you can have almost endless combinations. But as this gave satisfactory results I decided to use it as a transmitter and demonstrated last year and this year in Canada as well as on video. I did 4 public demonstrations, and one of the last ones was before hundreds of people at a large expo in Indiana. There I showed this setup with around 10 coils around this transmitter that was loaded with ferrite coils and their loads until I brought the power supply down to 4ma @ less than 3V. And it was easy to show everyone the difference between running just one bulb at that power level compared to all the other bulbs being powered by the process.
Anyway, as lower frequency is less of a gain than higher frequency, and as I really didn't want two sets of capacitors for the kit, I decided to make a more suitable bigger coil and transmitter for the next meetings the other week in NC. So I made the coils having the same inductance as the kit coils so the same caps could be used and then we could have the same 1.2 or so Mhz frequency.
The 180Mhz coil does not require 10 coils to do the phase mirroring effect, it would only require one additional coil if properly positioned to be in the right phasing relationship. That would be more of a Don Smith system with an internal coil, or external one around the primary. Don's goal wasn't to do that (power the primary or transmitter directly and so a greater potential available) but to do that indirectly by a 1/4 wave influence upon the battery wires going to the oscillator itself. Everyone is all fixated on making a self-runner a certain way, usually trying to push amps into the input, that they almost always miss what is far more important. Worry about those things after you get the core process down.
As for it being the magnetic fields or the capacitance fluxing, or both, it is not easy to figure out for yourself exactly...
Yeah, it isn't wise to follow people who are in cyberland and could be anyone. Who makes anyone an authority? What science authority is someone we should absolutely trust?
I would again disagree, conventional science knows a lot about magnetic resonance as we can see in the MRI technology. These are far too sweeping statements. Notice I never said that. I said "mainstream" floating theory/agenda contradicts itself and ignores what conventional science knows and practices in reference to these matters in relation to free energy processes. Conventional science does in fact use these processes daily and develops it quite extensively. And these kinds of sweeping generalizations on these forums create the wrong impression that it is otherwise. Therefore it has been a hobby of mine to notice as many places and examples I can of where this occurs. Again, it is not as though these processes are not understood, believed, or practiced in real commercial products that many engineers work on daily, but rather that they are not working on such in the context of producing free electrical generation. That is the slight of hand trick upon everyone. Does anyone get this point??? Thousands of patents are granted that use the very processes (which I organize as themes) to produce OU results so long as they are not overtly claiming OU in electrical power generation, and are in relation to optics or for something else. So, to create the impression that no one ever sees these processes when they do, really confuses the debate and problem that actually exists. It is not that people do not experience these things all the time, but that they don't realize the full extent of what is implied in these processes. The engineer hired to suppress the negative spike from the inductor does actually have an accurate real-world mathematics in his nonlinear software simulators that will accurately predict the responses in the real-world. The problem is that he is not hired to use this problematic phenomena but to eliminate it. It is a bad thing to kill, and thus the pun of "negative" energy. Now sometimes the do use it in a positive way, but that is another story. If they were hired to research the most with this that could be done, then they would find those of use who have been doing this for years. And indeed that often happens where we find such engineers knocking on our doors.

So you can see that because of these kinds of sweeping statements throughout these forums that there is even more tensions between people like G and myself when there doesn't need to be. One side overstates their position and misunderstands what is happening in the real commercial world of technology, and then the other side reacts and assumes that such people have no idea what they are talking about. So there is no real communication between these waring parties. No real attempt to understand each other and what each other actually believe or experiences. This does us no good. We must be careful not to oversimplify matters just as much as me must be careful not to over-complicate matters.

As for AG, I'm still not really understanding your context from your words. Maybe take a little more time to specify what you are staying. While it is true that you can get excess energy out of the external environment around any wire passing any current, it may not be worth the effort in parts/collectors/converters to process that gain. On the other hand it is worthy of doing with any high frequency transmission line, or any transmission line that is being impulsed very sharply. The former is the idea I often demonstrate at my meetings as showing the Don Smith dipole system where we tap the Heaviside flow. The latter is where we deal with the Tesla one wire system as partly illustrated with the wrongly called hairpin circuit but which is more fully expanded upon in figure 5 in The True Wireless paper. This I have been showing in my third stage process (black box) for many years now, and which Bedini taught about rightly in DVD7.
Yes some of these processes the magnetic kills the effect.
So I guess people need to experiment and learn these things. Lots of talk. Plenty of sensational videos and claims, but unless we personally experience these things then what does it matter?
Rick

a.king21 wrote: "Sorry for apparently going off topic.  The only reason I brought it up is to remind us that there are obvious ways to see that excess energy can be seen.  So if experimenters have not seen excess energy yet it does not mean that it is not there. It just means that the experiment is not right.
If my understanding is correct I think you need about 10 coils correctly positioned to get a phase lock using Rick's kt with the 180 khz design. The OU would not come from electrical connections the conventional way, but from the magnetic fields interacting in a resonant way.
This is why it is sometimes inappropriate to follow the directions of people who do not do these experiments and quote from EE books.
Conventional electrical science knows nothing about magnetic resonance  as Walter Lewin of MIT has proved."

AG response:
Well there must be a good few who do in Lithuania and a good few of the Russian speaking countries in fact there is a guy the 'master' who demonstrates it, alas he offers no circuit diagrams but explains any wire with current flowing in it can produce a 'pinch' effect' when driven by a pulse, he also says while your generating your magnetic field it kills the effect Nick Z talks about.
So sounds like you need to experiment, in some of the DS vids he shows a tiny neon spark gap, does that really work ??

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #632 on: June 20, 2019, 08:26:34 PM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #633 on: June 20, 2019, 09:22:56 PM »

The reply editing window is so small it’s useless when editing Rick’s manuscripts!


As for my 180Khz bigger coil demo, this was just me making a random coil that was almost equal lengthwise with width which results in good Q.

I don’t know if you have noticed but some frequencies yield different amplitudes and are more audio pleasing and are considered in tune with the planet and universe or is it to just some humans I say this as the Nazis didn’t like bas 9 ie 432 and changed it to 440hz witch is base 8 witch is demonically oppressive.  You might have noticed DS device he said he used 31kh5 this is a base 9 frequency.
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Yeah, it isn't wise to follow people who are in cyberland and could be anyone. Who makes anyone an authority? What science authority is someone we should absolutely trust?

Well that depends some what if they are a ‘cyber-man or not, aren’t you in cyberland?
And it realy depends on if that some one in cyberland is in sync with what’s going on about what’s missing and then there is always experimentation.

 

As for AG, I'm still not really understanding your context from your words. Maybe take a little more time to specify what you are staying. While it is true that you can get excess energy out of the external environment around any wire passing any current, it may not be worth the effort in parts/collectors/converters to process that gain. On the other hand it is worthy of doing with any high frequency transmission line, or any transmission line that is being impulsed very sharply. The former is the idea I often demonstrate at my meetings as showing the Don Smith dipole system where we tap the Heaviside flow. The latter is where we deal with the Tesla one wire system as partly illustrated with the wrongly called hairpin circuit but which is more fully expanded upon in figure 5 in The True Wireless paper. This I have been showing in my third stage process (black box) for many years now, and which Bedini taught about rightly in DVD7.
Yes some of these processes the magnetic kills the effect.
So I guess people need to experiment and learn these things. Lots of talk. Plenty of sensational videos and claims, but unless we personally experience these things then what does it matter?
Because it does matter, is it the fact that a capacitor is charged with dielectric energy It takes time known as the rise time, but dielectric energy is fast perhaps even longitudinal energy.
AG


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #634 on: June 20, 2019, 09:59:02 PM »
Hello Rick,


I did pay attention to DVD7 when it came out and did quite a few experiments with solid state SG's and coils in series but didn't have much success back then, then I went on to work on other things. But resonance has always fascinated me.
In such a one wire setup, isn't there a limit as to how many resonant coils you can put in series? I mean, say you have HV cap as a source dipole and you switch it with abrupt impulses to your line with the correct frequency to resonate all the series coils in the line. Say the caps voltage is 1000V. This voltage would get divided  by the number of resonant series coils in the line. So, if you have 10 coils, each would be a resonating node at 100V max, right? But maybe you could put more resonant coils in parallel with each series coil?


Also, to get the power out of each coil, I don't think the way shown in DVD7 is a good method since putting the load (lamp or FWBR to cap) in parallel with the resonant coil as shown would hinder or greatly reduce resonance. Wouldn't a resonant coil with a step down secondary be much better? Or a series bifilar resonant coil with a low impedance load in the middle (the coils internal series connection). These are just some thoughts as I wouldn't mind give it another go, but I was wondering what your opinion is about these points.


thanks,
Mario




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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #635 on: June 20, 2019, 11:51:33 PM »
Haha, it's funny as my most significant work is with manuscripts. I'm honored to have my words on here to be considered such  ;)
Well none of you can accuse me of taking sides as I will call anything what it is even with my friends.
Yes it is an important study to consider different frequencies in the way you mention. That is the same as my teaching about being very sensitive to understand your entire environment. Very small things can also have influences that people don't generally think of. Even our own bodies. I have no comment on your points however as I am very much in the fact gathering stage of that research but I am aware of what you mention.
My point applies to me as well. That was a major point I was trying to make, and also in the latest video. You can't trust anyone until certain things happen. Credibility is impossible to establish when it is entirely online. We all take a risk buying something online, but it is not much of a risk when we have insurance or credit cards that will give us our money back under certain conditions. When we buy products all the time from the same place then we trust it. Still, anything could happen and change things. When we meet someone in from cyber fantasy land in the real world (outside of the matrix haha) then it can make a difference. Sometimes we can meet people who have met people and more credibility is added. People in cyberland can establish credibility by teaching self-evident things and help people succeed. Talking on the phone is also sort of half-way has good as meeting someone in person. In regards to me, I think it is fairly obvious to everyone who I am in the circles. Pictures of me in real life big events with hundreds of people in association with my company convention events and with my products I have been selling since 2007. My public work goes back long before this as a publisher as well. None of this means much because anyone can be mistaken, and no one who is accessible is really an authority. I know people that are not accessible who have the knowledge and experience to be such. But in cyberworld it is almost a joke, and the chit chat is laughable by those in the know. Maybe Eric Dollard would be the best you could get, but he really isn't in cyberworld as he hates the digital. If I'm wrong someone list some worthy names. I'm certainly not one as I'm just am amateur hobbyist backyard mechanic philosopher. lol I can make these things work but I don't claim to know the exact nature of all the phenomena or have decided upon the correct math to represent it all.
Anyway, you just have to keep yourself from assumptions. Gather information as working hypothesis while evaluating what you think is most relevant. See for yourself. That's all I'm saying. Yes all these "persons of influence" that are set up on the forums to be people confirming or disproving people's claims may have powerful influence but it is actually a bad thing. This is just setting up another false authority. I have talked to many of these guys and ask them the pointed questions. They seem nice, and sometimes I actually meet them face to face in their den or mancave shop. Many of these guys have suckered well-meaning people into supporting them. So these guys get paid to entertain people like mythbusters. They use keywords effectively, and give out some useful information. But when I consider what they have done over years I find it fairly useless in regards to what people are really asking for and needing. So don't believe the hype. Don't follow the masses after people.

What matters? That we chat without ever having any real life experience? That is what I'm talking about. That is merely fantasy. I'm a realist and don't have time for fantasy.

Yes, what is dielectricity? Dollard makes some good points, and you can see that there will always be some mystery about it. Many things I do not expect to fully understand the nature or essence of. But we can find the characteristics and relationships that are predictable and repeatable. We just always have to avoid the "nothing buttery" reductionist fallacy. And that is my point, don't reduce something to one commonly used application of it. This is what happened from Maxwell on. Convenience and profit has created what we have now as "mainstream" practice and dogma. This is all just special pleading of a special case of the larger reality....


The reply editing window is so small it’s useless when editing Rick’s manuscripts!


As for my 180Khz bigger coil demo, this was just me making a random coil that was almost equal lengthwise with width which results in good Q.

I don’t know if you have noticed but some frequencies yield different amplitudes and are more audio pleasing and are considered in tune with the planet and universe or is it to just some humans I say this as the Nazis didn’t like bas 9 ie 432 and changed it to 440hz witch is base 8 witch is demonically oppressive.  You might have noticed DS device he said he used 31kh5 this is a base 9 frequency.
=======

Yeah, it isn't wise to follow people who are in cyberland and could be anyone. Who makes anyone an authority? What science authority is someone we should absolutely trust?

Well that depends some what if they are a ‘cyber-man or not, aren’t you in cyberland?
And it realy depends on if that some one in cyberland is in sync with what’s going on about what’s missing and then there is always experimentation.

 

As for AG, I'm still not really understanding your context from your words. Maybe take a little more time to specify what you are staying. While it is true that you can get excess energy out of the external environment around any wire passing any current, it may not be worth the effort in parts/collectors/converters to process that gain. On the other hand it is worthy of doing with any high frequency transmission line, or any transmission line that is being impulsed very sharply. The former is the idea I often demonstrate at my meetings as showing the Don Smith dipole system where we tap the Heaviside flow. The latter is where we deal with the Tesla one wire system as partly illustrated with the wrongly called hairpin circuit but which is more fully expanded upon in figure 5 in The True Wireless paper. This I have been showing in my third stage process (black box) for many years now, and which Bedini taught about rightly in DVD7.
Yes some of these processes the magnetic kills the effect.
So I guess people need to experiment and learn these things. Lots of talk. Plenty of sensational videos and claims, but unless we personally experience these things then what does it matter?
Because it does matter, is it the fact that a capacitor is charged with dielectric energy It takes time known as the rise time, but dielectric energy is fast perhaps even longitudinal energy.
AG


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #636 on: June 21, 2019, 02:08:40 AM »
Thanks Mario,
You have to take some time to properly understand what Tesla was doing. Unless we understand his system as completely different than AC and DC we will misunderstand how to do what he did.
When done right then you can keep on adding as John said. Again, I point you to the first three lectures and figure 5 of The True Wireless. Don't assume it is merely a coil in series. I show running many coils that were not even matched or in resonance (last meeting I showed 11 such random parts from my products) and yet they still substantially increase the output as well as send energy back to the input. You watch as each module with it's load causes the voltage across the transistor or fet to rise (until it exceeds the maximum SOA). I once saw that go as high as 5000V.
Now if you take the time to understand how Tesla's processes actually work in the single wire transfer then you will learn of all your options and that you can create many branches or single wire outputs from one prime mover. There is no limit to the network that can be associated. So maybe their start up another thread on the other forum Nick Tesla too good to be True. Or John Bedini too good to be true or to be noticed. Now in regards to what Bedini was doing, it was a negative impulse so it is not a mass thing. You are assuming otherwise that is why you think there has to be a limit. Those assumptions are why people didn't want to do negative energy engineering. So we only really gave out the battery as a load. Not me, as I gave it all to you over many years. I showed it with the batteries, and how you could get more out with bigger batteries. I showed it with transformers and inductors and all kinds of lights. I even showed this also on the trigger side. But I found that people didn't care, or at least they got what they needed and moved on. But the true negative unidirectional wave impulse tech was not really taught on these groups. As I mentioned, even Aaron's SSG 3 part manual had nothing of this because he either didn't know anything (which seems manifest, but I don't really know him to say), or he didn't want you all to know it. Tell me, could you really call anything else advanced SSG teaching? This is unlimited in output. What was advanced or intermediate in those books? There is one short thread on this DVD7 and you see they missed the teaching and also the sentence where John claims you can add as many as you want. Yet I think this was all just a game with John. Even with EFTV book, these kinds of things were only for inhouse people. For John it was that you had to earn it.
Your second paragraph misunderstands this process. You have to get beyond looking at Tesla one wire as some current thing with positive impedances.
Third paragraph again assumes same things. I think one thing these forums have shown after all these years is that you look at unique free energy processes with mainstream assumptions that you will dampen them and not get anything. Your understanding about these processes is all wrong. For example, if you do not have a load, and the right load, you will blow out the input. "Everything has to be in balance."
There are many different things you can do once you understand Tesla. Remember, Tesla's one wire was the entire globe (or disc if you are flat earther :o ) in some cases. Size is not a problem.
You do not have to have high frequency either. You can do very low frequency so long as you have a very fast rate of change. Then you have understand what matching impedances mean, along with matching loads. Not necessary but understanding the variety of options is helpful (which I have mentioned).
Now what we have been talking about with the resonance kits also is similar to this. Don Smith said that at radio frequency and above (say above 20cps) in resonance we have no resistive losses. So we can do the same sort of things with a series of parallel tank circuits rightly coupled. Some of my students have posted videos of doing just that with the coils in a similar way as I did with many coils without wire connections. Chapter 1 is two wire connections. Chapter 2 is Tesla's 1 wire (which is what I am referring to here) and chapter 3 is wireless transmission. So with suitable tuned circuits you can do the same sort of thing as we do with the motors with the negative impulsing. 

Now I'm not telling you to revisit this. It just so happens to be the most important thing that Bedini ever taught on and which all the present forums have missed. It just so happens that is the most important thing that Tesla taught on and is the key theme with many free energy systems. I have observed that people studied Tesla's work with AC and then they skip over the one wire work as if it is unnecessary because of his wireless work. But without the one wire teaching you will not understand his wireless.

Now this also relates to Don Smith's DSE or Don Smith Effect. He gave a very poorly written two pages on the subject years ago and made a comment at the end that it was "moron level" of understanding required. So it was funny the other day when two of my students had these things finally click and they boasted that they had finally arrived to the moron level  ::) ;D You see, they superficially understood the idea but all of a sudden it sank in and the "got it". And that's how it will be for everyone who finally gets it. It will not be a gradual learning more about it. It will just suddenly click as you realize how you have been looking at all this completely wrong. You have to remove your classes and all the assumption lenses and make one have a dielectric filter and the other have a magnetic filter so you can behold all this as it really is and not the way you have been trained to limit reality to be. Like all of a sudden seeing color when you only saw shades of grey. Like seeing 3D when you only understood 2D.

Hello Rick,
I did pay attention to DVD7 when it came out and did quite a few experiments with solid state SG's and coils in series but didn't have much success back then, then I went on to work on other things. But resonance has always fascinated me.
In such a one wire setup, isn't there a limit as to how many resonant coils you can put in series? I mean, say you have HV cap as a source dipole and you switch it with abrupt impulses to your line with the correct frequency to resonate all the series coils in the line. Say the caps voltage is 1000V. This voltage would get divided  by the number of resonant series coils in the line. So, if you have 10 coils, each would be a resonating node at 100V max, right? But maybe you could put more resonant coils in parallel with each series coil?
Also, to get the power out of each coil, I don't think the way shown in DVD7 is a good method since putting the load (lamp or FWBR to cap) in parallel with the resonant coil as shown would hinder or greatly reduce resonance. Wouldn't a resonant coil with a step down secondary be much better? Or a series bifilar resonant coil with a low impedance load in the middle (the coils internal series connection). These are just some thoughts as I wouldn't mind give it another go, but I was wondering what your opinion is about these points.
thanks,
Mario

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #637 on: June 21, 2019, 02:18:41 PM »
Thanks Mario,
You have to take some time to properly understand what Tesla was doing. Unless we understand his system as completely different than AC and DC we will misunderstand how to do what he did.
When done right then you can keep on adding as John said. Again, I point you to the first three lectures and figure 5 of The True Wireless. Don't assume it is merely a coil in series. I show running many coils that were not even matched or in resonance (last meeting I showed 11 such random parts from my products) and yet they still substantially increase the output as well as send energy back to the input. You watch as each module with it's load causes the voltage across the transistor or fet to rise (until it exceeds the maximum SOA). I once saw that go as high as 5000V.
Now if you take the time to understand how Tesla's processes actually work in the single wire transfer then you will learn of all your options and that you can create many branches or single wire outputs from one prime mover. There is no limit to the network that can be associated. So maybe their start up another thread on the other forum Nick Tesla too good to be True. Or John Bedini too good to be true or to be noticed. Now in regards to what Bedini was doing, it was a negative impulse so it is not a mass thing. You are assuming otherwise that is why you think there has to be a limit. Those assumptions are why people didn't want to do negative energy engineering. So we only really gave out the battery as a load. Not me, as I gave it all to you over many years. I showed it with the batteries, and how you could get more out with bigger batteries. I showed it with transformers and inductors and all kinds of lights. I even showed this also on the trigger side. But I found that people didn't care, or at least they got what they needed and moved on. But the true negative unidirectional wave impulse tech was not really taught on these groups. As I mentioned, even Aaron's SSG 3 part manual had nothing of this because he either didn't know anything (which seems manifest, but I don't really know him to say), or he didn't want you all to know it. Tell me, could you really call anything else advanced SSG teaching? This is unlimited in output. What was advanced or intermediate in those books? There is one short thread on this DVD7 and you see they missed the teaching and also the sentence where John claims you can add as many as you want. Yet I think this was all just a game with John. Even with EFTV book, these kinds of things were only for inhouse people. For John it was that you had to earn it.
Your second paragraph misunderstands this process. You have to get beyond looking at Tesla one wire as some current thing with positive impedances.
Third paragraph again assumes same things. I think one thing these forums have shown after all these years is that you look at unique free energy processes with mainstream assumptions that you will dampen them and not get anything. Your understanding about these processes is all wrong. For example, if you do not have a load, and the right load, you will blow out the input. "Everything has to be in balance."
There are many different things you can do once you understand Tesla. Remember, Tesla's one wire was the entire globe (or disc if you are flat earther :o ) in some cases. Size is not a problem.
You do not have to have high frequency either. You can do very low frequency so long as you have a very fast rate of change. Then you have understand what matching impedances mean, along with matching loads. Not necessary but understanding the variety of options is helpful (which I have mentioned).
Now what we have been talking about with the resonance kits also is similar to this. Don Smith said that at radio frequency and above (say above 20cps) in resonance we have no resistive losses. So we can do the same sort of things with a series of parallel tank circuits rightly coupled. Some of my students have posted videos of doing just that with the coils in a similar way as I did with many coils without wire connections. Chapter 1 is two wire connections. Chapter 2 is Tesla's 1 wire (which is what I am referring to here) and chapter 3 is wireless transmission. So with suitable tuned circuits you can do the same sort of thing as we do with the motors with the negative impulsing. 

Now I'm not telling you to revisit this. It just so happens to be the most important thing that Bedini ever taught on and which all the present forums have missed. It just so happens that is the most important thing that Tesla taught on and is the key theme with many free energy systems. I have observed that people studied Tesla's work with AC and then they skip over the one wire work as if it is unnecessary because of his wireless work. But without the one wire teaching you will not understand his wireless.

Now this also relates to Don Smith's DSE or Don Smith Effect. He gave a very poorly written two pages on the subject years ago and made a comment at the end that it was "moron level" of understanding required. So it was funny the other day when two of my students had these things finally click and they boasted that they had finally arrived to the moron level  ::) ;D You see, they superficially understood the idea but all of a sudden it sank in and the "got it". And that's how it will be for everyone who finally gets it. It will not be a gradual learning more about it. It will just suddenly click as you realize how you have been looking at all this completely wrong. You have to remove your classes and all the assumption lenses and make one have a dielectric filter and the other have a magnetic filter so you can behold all this as it really is and not the way you have been trained to limit reality to be. Like all of a sudden seeing color when you only saw shades of grey. Like seeing 3D when you only understood 2D.
So don't under stand fig trees with monkeys in them cus we know what they are full off.

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« Reply #638 on: June 21, 2019, 02:57:45 PM »
This is either you trying to dismiss what I wrote as a joke and/or not being able to properly translate your words into English. Whatever it is, it is lost in translation  :o

So don't under stand fig trees with monkeys in them cus we know what they are full off.

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« Reply #639 on: June 21, 2019, 04:06:30 PM »
AG  instead of writing hieroglyphics and sideways insults perhaps you should allow those who are spending much time and effort here....the opportunity to continue...
insults and derogatory comments do nothing but drive people away...
but you already know that ?? 

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« Reply #640 on: June 21, 2019, 04:24:29 PM »
Ok. Let put it straight. I believe it is closely related to this info from Ruslan Kulabuhov. Comments ?

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« Reply #641 on: June 21, 2019, 04:25:59 PM »
And the explanation why it may be related ....

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« Reply #642 on: June 21, 2019, 05:31:46 PM »
AG  instead of writing hieroglyphics and sideways insults perhaps you should allow those who are spending much time and effort here....the opportunity to continue...
insults and derogatory comments do nothing but drive people away...
but you already know that ?? 

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Chet why would i want to do that Chet when Rick is already doing a perfectly respectable job him self with out my help.

Perhaps if Rick could explain what his agenda actually is here in this thread with out him telling us indirectly that we are dangerously irresponsible unless we invest in his kit? or is that one of the conditions of accessing this thread ?
and with out him coming back saying i'm delusional  ;D

 and it wasn't me who described Rick as Jesus handing out free fishes and loaves  :'(
 Jesus didn't exist before 1603 by King James.Instead of Yahsha
Kind regards AG
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #643 on: June 21, 2019, 05:53:07 PM »
Hi Rick,


I think I get what Tesla was doing and explaining in the true wireless lecture. His magnifying transmitter (and receiver) is basically the same principle of a. in Fig.5. The earth is the same as the wire and the capacities of sender and receiver are acting like the expanding and contracting bag analogy of Fig.4., but the main transfer goes through the wire, or the earth. So, in a sense his wireless is a one wire system.
His method is superior to the hertzian method because he used a one wire connection (earth) and used resonance for maximising power sent, while the hertzian method only sends waves through the air which decay rapidly after short distance. 
Tesla was using/sending high freq. sinusoidal signals in this case, so no short impulses (except for the cap discharge into the primary of his magnifier but only to get more oscillations, not to send impulses), so I don't know why the association of the one method and short impulses, although impulses can of course trigger resonance just as well.
Tesla's one wire system has no return, The output of the SG in dvd7 are yes impulses but it has a return (to the main SG coil), this is why I see a limit in as how many series coils can be placed in the line, as opposed to an open wire. What John showed with added series coil and FWBR is an analogy to b. in Fig.5. but in John's case the coil is part of the wire to create a node, while the FWBR across it basically represents b. But still, the wire has a return.


Anyway, my goal is to charge as many batteries as possible from as little input as possible, and I wouldn't mind using the one wire technique.


thanks,
Mario

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #644 on: June 21, 2019, 07:09:52 PM »
AG, I don't care what you say or if you insult me. I don't take this forum or any forum too seriously as I see you don't either. You appeared to be asking real questions but it is manifest that you are just looking for fault. Obviously you don't understand how over unity processes work. I pointed that out that you are trying to look at this all the wrong way. You can't have more of the same my friend. Obviously we have to do something fundamentally different if we are going to have a gain. Maybe you don't believe in over unity and are just here to disprove? I don't know. But what does poking at me do?

I have shared everything anyone needs to know to get all the answers and free energy they could want. I never said you need to have my kits. Did I not say the opposite. I just said if you are trying to evaluate my kit then you would need to have the parts. But I did tell you the parts and values already and said you could make your own. But my point was also that you cannot prove or disprove anything over the Forum. I know that takes the steam out of many people drive and mission here. It's a reality check and that may be offensive to people who spew out their assumptions left and right.

Again, I do not make any money on the Resonance Kit and it is purely for helping people out. I gave a kid a job to make coils so it was also helping him out. So this is a lie that you are pushing here that you claim I am saying "we are dangerously irresponsible unless we invest in his kit".

I didn't say you were delusional, but I didn't understand your words because you either are using a translator or don't care to type words properly.

I think it is manifest to everyone that I have made significant contributions to the free energy community over the years that earn me some respect here. At least for people to realize significant facts shared that I have also shared with supporting evidence you can verify. I have not only made claims, I have demonstrated them in public after mentioning in advance on this forum. But now I have pointed to you where others have made similar claims and have taught on the subject. I pointed out what all of you missed in DVD7. And this I have demonstrated in the real world. I don't expect anyone to believe that, but it shows I am not talking about something that I invented or just made up. It is something I have shown you goes back to Tesla and others, in the one wire teaching. You can ignore Tesla's words and technology and merely look at it as early Tesla in AC. But then everyone will be asking YOU AG, why are YOU HERE if you are not at least open to Tesla's processes that are obviously fundamentally different than the mainstream approach you are taking to understanding it?

I came on here because one customer went against my advice to him about promoting my kit on these forums. He did that on two forums and I just decided to simply draw attention to the point that you cannot prove anything or disprove anything regarding claims on forums. And that I observed people were trying to do that in regards to my kit when someone was not even using the kit parts and didn't even have any instructions! I got responses and so I responded to them. I have been a member of this forum for many years. I know Stefan and he has often promoted me over the years. I don't think I have been out of place in any of this. Some of you may want me gone and that is fine with me.

As for your point about the KJV and Jesus, I am fully aware of your argument. But if the word Jesus is wrong or bad then Yahsha is too. There were no English letters back 2000 years ago. I know it is a sensitive subject and I have friends that consider the subject really import. I will not disrespect your religious convictions in the matter. I have my reasons for using the words I use, and that is to try and promote clear communication rather than insist upon theological language that people do not understand.

Anyway, I don't have any agenda but to help people. What would I get out of everything I say. I have given you guys several things that can make you energy independent and also millions of dollars if you care to take the time to experiment yourself. I have helped you avoid the mistakes people make in this research based on my observations of thousands of people for 15 years all over the world in this work.

I guess for those who don't want to actually prove to themselves matters the only thing to do is poke at people for fun. 

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Chet why would i want to do that Chet when Rick is already doing a perfectly respectable job him self with out my help.

Perhaps if Rick could explain what his agenda actually is here in this thread with out him telling us indirectly that we are dangerously irresponsible unless we invest in his kit? or is that one of the conditions of accessing this thread ?
and with out him coming back saying i'm delusional  ;D

 and it wasn't me who described Rick as Jesus handing out free fishes and loves  :'(
 Jesus didn't exist before 1603 by King James.Instead of Yahsha
Kind regards AG

 

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