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Author Topic: Confirmation of OU devices and claims  (Read 32104 times)

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #60 on: November 13, 2017, 01:40:26 PM »

It's clear he wasn't really interested in proper measurement, if you watch any of the old videos from back when this schematic was drawn, he really didn't know how to make proper measurement....neither here nor there... with that said we can rule out any sort of meter... 


What we know is that he's dumping caps into batteries, we are provided with suggestions regarding their capacity and voltage prior to being dumped..... all that to say this....maybe, just maybe, if rumors regarding batteries exploding when hit with high voltage cap dumps are true, maybe that circle with the arrow in it is a variable resistor.  Throw away some of that energy before it gets to the battery...... yeah...that's what I would have done if I were in his position back in 84......

John states in that quote i posted a few replies back,that the switch was there so as he could turn off the battery charging cycle when the battery voltage got to high.

It would be nice to have a complete schematic,if you think the one he supplied was incomplete--missing the bits that turn the magneto into a motor at some point of each cycle.

It's hard to make an exact replication,when people keep saying thats not the whole circuit,but they too cannot provide the whole circuit--nor can it be located anywhere on the net.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #60 on: November 13, 2017, 01:40:26 PM »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #61 on: November 13, 2017, 02:45:47 PM »
incredible....  you do what you want and get to call it a replication....


Unless you or anyone else can !show! or !prove! that my magneto works any different than the one John show's,then it is a replication.
Both are PM magnetos.
Both have coils that the magnet pass.
Both output an AC current.
Both are series connected.

The only difference is,mine produces a higher frequency.

So many times we here--oh,you need a special this,and a special that.
And so many times,those that make this claim,can provide no details what so ever as to what is so special about the bits required,or why they have to be that exact design.

Here,with you,we have that very same situation.


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #62 on: November 13, 2017, 04:53:50 PM »
Unless you or anyone else can !show! or !prove! that my magneto works any different than the one John show's,then it is a replication.
Both are PM magnetos.
Both have coils that the magnet pass.
Both output an AC current.
Both are series connected.

The only difference is,mine produces a higher frequency.

So many times we here--oh,you need a special this,and a special that.
And so many times,those that make this claim,can provide no details what so ever as to what is so special about the bits required,or why they have to be that exact design.

Here,with you,we have that very same situation.


Brad

In the large drawing, doesnt it seem funny that the energizer coils are all in series, all N pole mags and for a portion of the rotation the energizer charges the DC cap?? ???   Where is the rectifier???  ;) It seems to me that the energizer is possibly putting out a chain of DC pulses. Asymmetrical induction of the series coils, and the way the coils are made......   Id say Erfinder is right and that energizer portion needs to be the way it needs to be....

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #63 on: November 13, 2017, 05:39:03 PM »
Hi Guys.

Indeed, as I see it there's no need for a rectifier if all poles are the same.

On another point. If Mild Steel bolts were used as core material they would get partially magnetised. ( holding their own magnetic field )   

Can anyone verify that the coils were Bifilar wound, pretty sure I read this somewhere?

Cheers Graham.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #64 on: November 13, 2017, 10:46:37 PM »
Hi Guys.

Indeed, as I see it there's no need for a rectifier if all poles are the same.

On another point. If Mild Steel bolts were used as core material they would get partially magnetised. ( holding their own magnetic field )   

Can anyone verify that the coils were Bifilar wound, pretty sure I read this somewhere?

Cheers Graham.

Well there are a few factors involved that would require testing before the full build. Is the back plate that holds the coils magnetic like the poles. Bifi? Dont know on these, nor how the windings ends would be configured. Phase of the offset magnets as to when the switch is closed to send the cap charge to the battery. It may be a sequence thing if asymmetrical as to have the first coil in the series line at tdc of a rotor magnet, and then the next is at tdc with its magnet and so forth. Asymmetrical setups, the coils can be sequentially induced more than 1 time each per half of the rotation of the whole, havnt looked at it close enough to say yet, but Id bet that each coil series run through for the switch on time could be 3 to 4 passes before the switch opens.  Had a lot of playing with asymmetrical with my MMM magnet motor. 9 switching stators and 10 rotor mags. In 1 revolution of the motor, the stators switched 90 times sequentially.

What the energizer does during the switch open time Im not sure of. This older looking circuit doesnt look at all like the energizer is connected to the motor when not charging the cap.


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #65 on: November 14, 2017, 01:37:46 AM »
Hi Guys.



   



Cheers Graham.

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Indeed, as I see it there's no need for a rectifier if all poles are the same.

Regardless if all poles are the same or not,you still get an AC current and voltage output from the coils.

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On another point. If Mild Steel bolts were used as core material they would get partially magnetised. ( holding their own magnetic field )

Yes they do,and this drops the efficiency of the coils output,as it bias's the core to the same field that the magnet is trying to induce into it.
Years of bench testing has shown that you want the coil firing the opposite field to that of the magnet. So,if you have all north facing out of the rotor,you want the coil pulsing a south field,which means that it is in attraction mode--not repulsion mode as stated by JB.
If the coil is pulsing a north field out,you want all magnets on the rotor with there south field out.
The worst possible combination is with the magnets facing north out,and the coil also pulsing a north field out,and visa versa with south fields-->attraction mode is the most efficient.

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Can anyone verify that the coils were Bifilar wound, pretty sure I read this somewhere?

I have just finished reading the PDF,along with many other references to this machine,and no where is there mention of bifi wound coils.

Also,no where in any of the PDF,schematics provided by JB him self,or any other source,dose it state that the energizer has a motoring action,or at any time is it in series with the motor and batteries.

It is clearly stated in all the information gathered so far,that the motor is !!disconnected!! from the battery when the energy from the caps is dumped into the battery.

There is no FWBR in Johns schematic shown,because each coil has it's own FWBR,which is on the coil it self.

Jim Watsons machine had 7 ring magnets,and 8 coils,where as Johns machine had 6 coils,and 6 magnets--with no offset between the magnets and coils.


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #66 on: November 14, 2017, 01:45:01 AM »

Brad.......Brad....  it's a special magneto....  just because you say it's not doesn't mean it isn't!  Here's the best part, his way is "the" way, a lesson was to be learned, you are passing up on an opprotunity....   your years with pulse motors using like poles should have prepared you.....they didn't.....  instead of revisiting what you may have missed, you now and then insist that the inventor was an idiot, and proceed to perfect that which you obviously don't get..... comprehending nothing....  I know this because I made the same mistake!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzJm0ZyPMps

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #67 on: November 14, 2017, 03:51:13 AM »
This guy has a few vids and this one in particular he just made is interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoE6xzYnw0s

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #68 on: November 14, 2017, 10:14:46 AM »

What amazes me is that you know....  What saddens me is that you don't know you do....  it's like I said before, your years of experience with like pole systems were supposed to prepare you for what we are discussing right now, this video reveals your lack of knowledge, it doesn't help your case.


I had a wonderful exchange with Mags a few days ago, among other things, we discussed the significance of the a principle you demonstrate but don't comprehend (not going to tell you what, but if he watches your video, a few words from me and he will know exactly what I am referring to).  It blows my mind, watching you perform the experiment, and fail to comprehend its significance....


On another note...  the magneto is a motor....  the fact that you cannot see this is a sign that you are winging this whole thing....  The years you spent bashing and correcting John while using concepts he inspired would have been better spent in silent contemplation and reflection on what was being provided....  had you gone that route, you would see more than you do....  I will share proof from the horse's mouth that the magneto is a motor with Mags.....  no point sharing that info with you...


Mags.....where are ya....we need to talk....

Cool

With all this wonderful insight,and your willingness to share with Mag's,you 2 should have a self runner in no time flat

I mean,how many times have we heard the same old thing?
How many claim that those that try,and dont see the results promised,are doing it wrong--they just dont understand,and thats why they fail.

How many times have we !not! seen a self running machine from those that accuse others of not knowing what they are doing?.
How many devices have been presented by those that say they know it all,that actually work as claimed?

I will tell you how many--None,nada,zip.
Not one single self running,self charging device has ever been presented by anyone (including you) ,that can self run ,and self charge the run battery to a higher energy content than what it started with-->NOT ONE.

You may keep playing as much as you like with what !you! think is correct,and i will keep using my equipment to see what is truth right there on my bench.

Yes,you can show Mag's what you !want! him to see--but you will never show the device as a whole,nor will you show anyone how it work as claimed.

No point in showing a wheel being spun at a slow speed,charging a cap to 1000 v in half a turn,while keeping the rest of the setup under covers--we can all do that.

So,i'll stick to what i see before me,and you keep on doing what your doing.

Remember-->those that claim others have it wrong,are the very same people that have nothing to show for them self-->sad.but true.


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #69 on: November 14, 2017, 11:02:09 AM »

What did I say....only the ignorant chase OU.....


you don't hear me saying anything about OU.....you on the other hand...  don't worry your pretty little head about what I am sharing with Mags.....  he will see what you can't, he will know what you don't... you have no idea how refreshing it is to be able to sit through your presentation and know that you have no idea what you're talking about, even better than this is when you can point out the flaws, and share these insights with a like mind is its own reward...

So lets put it to the test--your insight,your knowledge.

Lets say that i now have my machine up and running,with the generator i chose to use.

We get the machine up to running speed,and then we switch over to the circuit below.

What happens next ?

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« Reply #71 on: November 14, 2017, 01:00:08 PM »
A question for all.

Ok,i have redrawn the schematic,and will explain a little further.

Lets say the generator is a low 70% efficient.

The device is started with the switch in position A

The current is 8 amp's,and the voltage is 24 volt's.
So the power being sent to the motor is 192 watts.
Lets say the motor is 80% efficient,and so the mechanical output from the motor is 153.6 watts.
Our generator is only 70% efficient,and so we would only get 107.5 watts out of our generator,from the 192 watts being consumed by the motor.

The generator is required to produce 8 amp's @ 10 volt's=80 watts
This 80 watts is only 74.7% of the output the generator can deliver for the given P/in

So,the motor is started with the switch in position A,and when up to running speed,the switch is switched to position B

The question is-->what happens when the switch is switched to position B?


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #72 on: November 14, 2017, 02:32:34 PM »
That is brilliant Brad!  When I first looked at your schematic I didn't look at it closely.  I just assumed you were connecting the output in parallel with the batteries.  Now that you added the switch I looked closer and realized you were connecting the output in series with the batteries.  I am thinking if you get the energizer rewired so the current is higher and the voltage lower the whole system will speed up and maybe go into a run away condition.  Or possibly use a step-down transformer to get higher current at lower voltage and keep the current down in the energizer itself.  I am eagerly awaiting your results.

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That is brilliant Brad!  When I first looked at your schematic I didn't look at it closely.  I just assumed you were connecting the output in parallel with the batteries.  Now that you added the switch I looked closer and realized you were connecting the output in series with the batteries.
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I am thinking if you get the energizer rewired so the current is higher and the voltage lower

Already done  ;)

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Or possibly use a step-down transformer to get higher current at lower voltage

I was thinking about going that way,but the transformer is just another loss.

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the whole system will speed up and maybe go into a run away condition.




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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #74 on: November 14, 2017, 04:06:16 PM »
What did I say....only the ignorant chase OU.....
you don't hear me saying anything about OU.....

Hi Erfinder. I have been following this thread, and I am kind of at a loss as to what
you are up to here. You act like you have these claimed motor/generator OU devices all
figured out, yet you offer absolutely nothing concrete and useful to help Tinman except taunts and insults.  :o

The title of this thread is 'Confirmation of OU devices and claims'. If you believe all OU claims
are 100% false, you could have said that in one comment and there would be no need for you
to comment any further in this thread. All I see from you so far is childish comments trolling Tinman. 
If you want to share something useful, then share it. If you don't want to share anything useful, then why are
you commenting here?


 

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