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Author Topic: Confirmation of OU devices and claims  (Read 191176 times)

Offline benfr

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #465 on: May 23, 2019, 08:39:50 AM »
https://youtu.be/WWa81kmhVyc[/font]


This is a video of the generator I have built.
Dave

hi Dave, do you have some scematics, a pdf which shows how to build, your comments ? That would be interesting to study !

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #466 on: May 23, 2019, 08:42:02 AM »
Hi Arne,

yes, seen that, but i don't think the right image is a working setup, just a show of of available parts.
 

Itsu

the right image is a working setup, where all the lights and leds are light by the 9V input. In the kit, Rick mentions that it is in a "no load" situation.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #467 on: May 23, 2019, 08:43:56 AM »
Is he selling a kit with parts mounted on nice "footboards" that will not operate correctly gathered together.
And people pays willingly  for that?
Maybe the perpendicular way is the only way that cerates some good effects?

/ Arne

You have so much to learn. Like me ! Well yes, if you are buying this kit, like me, you will have those questions answered ! The answer to your perpendicular question is : yes, and not only perpendicular.

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Offline benfr

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #468 on: May 23, 2019, 08:49:52 AM »
I don't know Arne, i tried the satellite coils (and big coil) in all possible positions and combinations, but the "all vertical" yields the best results.

Itsu

There is no question of perpendicularity actually ; but parallel, inline, and entanglements, and 30° to 45° are places where the wireless expresses itself.
Run two coils perpendicular and you will lose all transmission, as it seems !
There is an important notion in the RICK kit, which is called the mosquito poke...so, instead of running the small coils with the big one, you can revertly activate / resonate the big coil with the small one and see how a mosquito can move a giant. It is one important key point to learn in the kit, out of many, many more...

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #469 on: May 28, 2019, 02:29:24 PM »
It is one important key point to learn in the kit, out of many, many more...

Yeh Rick

That "one" important point and the next and the next and the next just so you can sell endless kits and keep the Bedini train running.  Same as that scammer Murakami with his non stop books on secrets that go nowhere. 
You talk for 90 mins in your video on what could be stated in under a minute.  Its no different to the tactic that these pill and snake oil salesmen use.....long hours of waffling so that people just say "sell it to me already"....anything to just have the drivel stop.

You understand resonant circuits but there is no OU there.

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« Reply #469 on: May 28, 2019, 02:29:24 PM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #470 on: May 28, 2019, 10:30:24 PM »

I made a new small coil as the dimensions given by Benfr earlier are wrong.

New small coil is on a 6cm former, 52 turns 0.7mm wire spanning 4cm.
Inductance measured is 144uH @ 100KHz with an unloaded Q of 71, see picture.

5nF cap (2x 10nF in series) in series with this coil gives a resonance frequency (loaded with a led bulb) of 190KHz.

Tuning the big coil also to 190 KHz gives best match, but as soon as the small coil with led bulb nears the big coil, the
big coil Q (and output and input) starts to decrease and tuning with its variable cap does not help.

At some point, the led bulb on the small coil turns on and produces 215mW of light while the big coil pulls 450mW or so.

Will do some more testing and make some more small coils for further tests.


Itsu

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #471 on: June 01, 2019, 12:14:31 AM »
Tesla  autobiog on his magnifying transmitter:
Taken in the narrowest significance of the term, however, it is a resonant transformer which, besides possessing these qualities, is accurately proportioned to fit the globe and its electrical constants and properties, by virtue of which design it becomes highly efficient and effective in the wireless transmission of energy. Distance is then absolutely eliminated, there being no diminution in the intensity of the transmitted impulses. It is even possible to make the actions increase with the distance from the plant according to an exact mathematical law.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #472 on: June 01, 2019, 06:44:01 PM »
Hi a.king21,

If you think what you quoted from Tesla has got anything to do with Rick F's kits in this recent topic, then just go ahead and prove that. 
If the quote has no any connection to the kits, then what is your point with that quote? 

You wrote this in Reply #327 (April 30, 2019) https://overunity.com/17491/confirmation-of-ou-devices-and-claims/msg533875/#msg533875 :

"The output for the bigger coil is also massively increased ie 3.75 watts input gives a Heaviside magnetic output
equivalent to 900 watts according to the information I have been given. (I have not replicated it)."   

Have you replicated it since then and measured the 900 W output?  Or at least say 4.5 or 5 W output at the 3.75 W input?
I am sure everyone here would like to see the measurements on that, especially Itsu who did the trouble to replicate
the setup and his measurements clearly report underunity. 

Did Rick F. show the 900 W output in any of his videos?  If yes, please give a link to it. 

By the way, you have not returned to my question I asked from you in Reply #339.  It started with your post #334 :
https://overunity.com/17491/confirmation-of-ou-devices-and-claims/msg533890/#msg533890

and this was my answer that included the question too: 
https://overunity.com/17491/confirmation-of-ou-devices-and-claims/msg533905/#msg533905 

So what is it which insures a larger EM field from the transmitter coil when a gate driver is used?   

Gyula

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #473 on: June 02, 2019, 07:18:29 PM »
Tesla  autobiog on his magnifying transmitter:[/size]Taken in the narrowest significance of the term, however, it is a resonant transformer which, besides possessing these qualities, is accurately proportioned to fit the globe and its electrical constants and properties, by virtue of which design it becomes highly efficient and effective in the wireless transmission of energy. Distance is then absolutely eliminated, there being no diminution in the intensity of the transmitted impulses. It is even possible to make the actions increase[/size] with the distance from the plant according to an exact mathematical law.[/size]


The importance of good grounding in the transmission of electricity.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0e84XyuTjo

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #474 on: June 03, 2019, 07:04:47 PM »
  aking:   What does this have to do with OU, or self running? Are we going to have free electricity in this way?

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #475 on: June 04, 2019, 03:16:55 AM »
The resonance system is the first one or two stages of the Don Smith system.  If proved then we can be confident of stages  three to five.  Stage three is the 1:4 or 4:1 quarter wave section,   stages 4 and five are the frequency reduction and the final resonant transformer at mains frequency. So it's a complicated process of resonance all the way to the final stages.  But you need a gauss meter to see the energy created.  The initial stage of resonance is the first one Don Smith claims led him to his discoveries. But at last we now have clarity with the Don Smith process which is identical to the Kapanadze process if you take a look at Kapanadze's patent applications. In my opinion it's worth the effort to learn these processes anyway because the ultimate energy comes from the electrons in the earth grounding. Which is exactly what Tesla said.(And Eric Dollard and Rick Friedrich and Don Smith etc etc.) There is no "overunity" it is simply a method of agitating the ambient background using magnetic resonance and seeing the multiplication of magnetic energy by the resonant system. A scope is useless in this field. Then you return the agitated electrons back to the earth ground ready for re-use. So we are not talking Kirchhoff's loop law  here. We are talking about Faraday's laws.In order for the system to work you need a sharp gradient ie a spike wave. Another name is Tesla's impulse technology.


If you can sit through this video the process is explained here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVnAU1FmCsg&list=UUu1hNQsr9YnkIjFkMAc3Npw&index=35


PS You need a GAUSS METER to see the energy or you are electronically blind and see only Kirchhoff's laws using meters and scopes.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #476 on: June 04, 2019, 09:25:31 AM »
The resonance system is the first one or two stages of the Don Smith system.  If proved then we can be confident of stages  three to five.  Stage three is the 1:4 or 4:1 quarter wave section,   stages 4 and five are the frequency reduction and the final resonant transformer at mains frequency. So it's a complicated process of resonance all the way to the final stages.  But you need a gauss meter to see the energy created.  The initial stage of resonance is the first one Don Smith claims led him to his discoveries. But at last we now have clarity with the Don Smith process which is identical to the Kapanadze process if you take a look at Kapanadze's patent applications. In my opinion it's worth the effort to learn these processes anyway because the ultimate energy comes from the electrons in the earth grounding. Which is exactly what Tesla said.(And Eric Dollard and Rick Friedrich and Don Smith etc etc.) There is no "overunity" it is simply a method of agitating the ambient background using magnetic resonance and seeing the multiplication of magnetic energy by the resonant system. A scope is useless in this field. Then you return the agitated electrons back to the earth ground ready for re-use. So we are not talking Kirchhoff's loop law  here. We are talking about Faraday's laws.In order for the system to work you need a sharp gradient ie a spike wave. Another name is Tesla's impulse technology.


If you can sit through this video the process is explained here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVnAU1FmCsg&list=UUu1hNQsr9YnkIjFkMAc3Npw&index=35


PS You need a GAUSS METER to see the energy or you are electronically blind and see only Kirchhoff's laws using meters and scopes.
I entirly agree with you but 'Rick Friedrich' ;D doesn't he go on?
« Last Edit: June 04, 2019, 11:35:09 AM by AlienGrey »

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« Reply #477 on: June 05, 2019, 12:59:36 PM »
Hi a.king21,

No offense but what you wrote is a fantastic techno hodgepodge... sorry to say. Similar to your earlier mentioning of
"disruptive discharge" for a max 18 Vpp square wave (which drives a resonant LC circuit) or of "Heaviside magnetic output"
or the COP 144 claim.   
The resonance system as the first one or two stages of the "DS system" have failed, it has not been proved to give
"energy multiplication".  Correct measurements by Itsu clearly resulted in underunity while Rick F or benfr clearly claimed
COP > 1 performance for the resonance system.   

Now you come along with measuring Gauss to "see the energy"...   Let's suppose that the "ultimate energy comes from the electrons in the earth grounding"  as you wrote.  Then such excess energy should manifest in driving a useful load, right?   
Why this excess energy is not demonstrated by Rick F or by benfr claiming that?   
To light a NE-2 neon bulb with the help of a resonant system is NOT energy amplification, you can do it for instance with
a step-up auto or normal transformer or with a single transistor oscillator running from 
a less than 1 V battery.  Voltage amplification - yes, energy amplification - no. 
 Remember that Nikola Tesla claimed "energy amplification" (but not with these words) only when he used up the energy
from a charged capacitor within very short time, ok?  http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/nt_on_ac.htm   

A Gauss meter measures magnetic flux intensity and it is okay that near to a resonant LC circuit it would display much stronger magnetic fields
 than a non-resonant current would create in the same coil.  BUT how do you utilize the stronger field? 
The moment you load the resonant system the Q hence the field intensity reduces immediately and here it is totally 
irrelevant whether input energy comes from your signal generator or from earth grounding or even from both.   
Why this part of the story is not  shown correctly  from those claiming 'energy amplification' ? 

Faraday's laws have never been shown to manifest excess energy, you cannot escape with it as you now attempt to
get rid of the Kirchoff's loop law... but in vain. 
Everbody should show correct measurements to prove their claims. 

Gyula

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #478 on: June 05, 2019, 02:07:37 PM »
Gyula an interesting opposition documentation speech.
I hear what your saying and where your coming from and like wise Mr A.king.
Would that be the same Mr A King who made that interesting visit to Lithuania and
made the video of the aquarium driving the electric fire ?

I think you might well find to grab the quantity of energy you are looking for has to be made it's called BEMF,
and resonance and above all the correct protocol.

If you look through Don Smiths video's there is one section where he creates a rapid capacitor
charge that's almost instantaneous at a certain frequency, if you can find it, it might be of interest.


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« Reply #479 on: June 06, 2019, 12:28:08 AM »
Hi AlienGrey,

Yes I think he would be the same A.King like you guess.

I need to ask what you mean here on BEMF: is it the voltage spike created across a coil when its current is interrupted?  If yes, then it is okay it can be captured and it can be reused again,  though I have not seen from anyone that the this_way_captured energy provided COP > 1 performance when added to the input energy. 

But after you mentioned BEMF you continued with: "and resonance and above all the protocol" and I wonder how you mean resonance here when you grab the quantity of energy created by switching to get the BEMF ?  If this is how you meant, that is.

I would appreciate if someone would point to the video time where Don Smith shows the (almost instantaneous) rapid capacitor charge: I would like to understand how to benefit from it.

Gyula

 

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