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Author Topic: Confirmation of OU devices and claims  (Read 197645 times)

Offline benfr

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #450 on: May 20, 2019, 03:08:29 PM »
Congrats itsu ! I hope this is the beginning of Joy :D
Two remarks : do try to moderate the distance of the secondary coils from the big coil : they should be between "close" and "distant" : this location allows not to detune the main one. Detuning the main coil from the resonant point you found is something you want to avoid.
2. it's very interesting how you show that the individual consumption of the satellite coils go lower and lower as the multi body configuration expands. What is the limit of this ? Zero consumption ?...
3. try to put your satellite coils at the level of the top of the big coil ! (on a piece of non disturbating magnetic field, such as wood or pvc) : any difference ? ...

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #451 on: May 20, 2019, 04:05:16 PM »

Thanks for the congrats, allthough i am unsure for what.

As soon as a satellite coil draws current (which is way before its led goes on), detuning of
the big coil takes place.

So avoiding that is almost impossible.

Well, it seems the more satellites you add, the less power remains left for all of them, but at a certian point
the leds go off, but still they use power, so its hard to predict what will happen at the end.


I did change the height of the satellite coils, best result is half way up the big coil as shown.
But...., my satellite coils are not correctly build (they are to long and not wide enough).

Also the winding direction of the big coil is wrong (CCW) compared to the satellite coils (CW), so
i am making some new satellite coils (ccw) of the correct size (6cm former, 0.7mm wire, 52 turns).

Perhaps that makes the difference.


Itsu
 

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #452 on: May 20, 2019, 04:12:22 PM »
   Itsu:   You may want to try a couple of your Dr. Stiffler "diode loops" and leds on the big coil, instead. They might take less input from the big coil to light brightly. Blindingly bright. Other wise you may get stuck at the 2.6 volts level, which will not light the leds to full brightness. Each additional load of leds will share the input source, and is why the voltage drops. Not because the more leds are lit the load on the input drops. It drops because they are all sharing the input source. As you know, but other guys may not know that.   It would seam that up to now All free energy or OU devices they we've tried, are nothing more than inefficient bottle necks, compared to the input source. Hopefully we can do something about that.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Offline seaad

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #453 on: May 20, 2019, 05:32:07 PM »
Can anyone explain to me why LEDs are always used as load (resistors) in all these threads /discussion groups about OU through the years.
 Is it so that that is the best way to prolonge the threads duration (amount of words written) in an optimum way?
Whats wrong with resistors??

Arne

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #454 on: May 20, 2019, 06:24:50 PM »
Itsu and Gyulasun, You're going to luv this one! in the Ruslan Akula 'yoke' this device has two output windings,
both feed the grenade device one with a parallel capacitor and the other with a series cap so one would expect
the one winding to be out of phase with the other but I can't get a phase shift with an oscillation feed from the 'yoke'.
Obviously, the 'yoke has it's own inductance and isn't a Sig Gen, any ideas? the yoke in my test windings are

Grenade                                                           Yoke
inductor winding                        138uhry  ------- 28 turn winding                        7.4mhry
none inductive 6 layers winding  268uhry -------   4 turn winding                         0.22mhry

What we need to find is how to work out of find the correct capacitor values


As Wesley also used this type of circuit as an energy boost we need to test this circuit as it could be of good use if proven! and well on the thread!  ;D


Regards AG
« Last Edit: May 20, 2019, 10:02:07 PM by AlienGrey »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #455 on: May 20, 2019, 11:44:35 PM »
Can anyone explain to me why LEDs are always used as load (resistors) in all these threads /discussion groups about OU through the years.
 Is it so that that is the best way to prolonge the threads duration (amount of words written) in an optimum way?
Whats wrong with resistors??

Arne
Hi Arne,

Good question  :)   and I think there are at least two answers. 

One is that LEDs are spectacular and their brightness is a good indication for any adjustments a circuit needs while driving the LED.  Also, LEDs are perhaps the most efficient source of light nowadays, so why not use modern devices?

The other answer is that it can be a blessing for those who want to outsmart gullible people with brightness... What I mean: 

1) LED diodes draw current continously from a DC source because the DC voltage level should be higher than their forward voltage specification.   

2) However, LED diodes draw current from an AC source only when the peak voltage of the AC waveform is higher than their
forward voltage specification. This means that the LED does not draw current continuously within a full AC cycle but intermittently only. Yet the brightness of the LED can be similar to full brightness because human eye perceives it like that, while the average current hence power draw is less than in case of a normal DC drive.  This is why it is important to evaluate the actual power consumption for LEDs when making unusual claims.

If we consider off the shelf  LED light bulbs, then they are designed for either DC or AC operation and in the latter case they may have internal circuitry to rectify input AC etc. 

Confront this with a resistor load: it draws current from either a DC or an AC source all the time and it is a linear load while LEDs are highly nonlinear ones: this is another 'blessing'.   

I have often mentioned the pitfalls when someone demonstrates output power with the use of LEDs how bright they are but no actuall current and voltage measurements are taken.  This is true for a pulse motor for instance when it is combined with some generator coils and these output coils are loaded by LED lamps. 

Gyula

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #456 on: May 20, 2019, 11:50:49 PM »
AlienGray,

Could you show even a hand drawn schematic on  your coils connection with their inductance values and capacitor values, this would greatly help giving a better answer. Include the frequency involved for your case.
I know there are several such circuit drawings shown in the actual threads but I do not want to wade through any of them and they may not show 'your version'.

Gyula

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Offline seaad

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #457 on: May 21, 2019, 12:47:19 AM »
" ITSU:
When we roughly take this 60mW times 5 we get 300mW total consumed by the leds which is about 1/3 of the
power available at the input (COP = 0.3)."

Pls. compare the coils magnetic directions!

Arne

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #458 on: May 21, 2019, 02:52:03 AM »
AlienGray,

Could you show even a hand drawn schematic on your coils connection with their inductance values and capacitor values, this would greatly help giving a better answer. Include the frequency involved for your case.
I know there are several such circuit drawings shown in the actual threads but I do not want to wade through any of them and they may not show 'your version'.

Gyula
Hi yes something like this.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #459 on: May 21, 2019, 02:15:28 PM »
" ITSU:
When we roughly take this 60mW times 5 we get 300mW total consumed by the leds which is about 1/3 of the
power available at the input (COP = 0.3)."

Pls. compare the coils magnetic directions!

Arne

Hi Arne,

yes, seen that, but i don't think the right image is a working setup, just a show of of available parts.
 

Itsu

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #460 on: May 21, 2019, 02:44:37 PM »
Hi AG,

My answer has been moved to this thread more appropiate for its topic: 
https://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg534604/#msg534604   
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #461 on: May 21, 2019, 02:53:55 PM »
Is he selling a kit with parts mounted on nice "footboards" that will not operate correctly gathered together.
And people pays willingly  for that?
Maybe the perpendicular way is the only way that cerates some good effects?

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #462 on: May 21, 2019, 04:34:51 PM »

I don't know Arne, i tried the satellite coils (and big coil) in all possible positions and combinations, but the "all vertical" yields the best results.

Itsu

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #463 on: May 21, 2019, 05:00:40 PM »
Thanks Itsu
 I suspected that because of my experience. I have been dealing / tinker with radio a good part of my life.
Arne

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #464 on: May 23, 2019, 08:15:28 AM »
https://youtu.be/WWa81kmhVyc[/font]


This is a video of the generator I have built. I have released all the information necessary for replication, but so far no one I know of has built more than a one or two coil model to see if what I have shown will work. It is an expensive build. I know because I have built MANY versions of this machine to get to the point I am at now.


If anyone is interested in replicating, I can give you whatever data you need to be successful. Here is my data on my BIG machine which I show in the BACKGROUND of this video, but is NOT the one I recommend building as it will be prohibitively expensive, although I am willing to give info on it also. The machine is turned by an MY1020 Razor Scooter motor running on 24 volts at just under 12 amps, or a bit less than 300 watts. Some of that is recoverable, which none of you want to believe, but I will fight THAT battle another day. Output is around 130 volts at 1.4 amps per coil. The big machine has 12 coils so puts out between 1800-2000 watts.


The smaller machine I am going to talk about here, and which I show in the video, only has 10 coils, so the output is LESS. But it also uses less power to run, so there are advantages in the smaller machine. Cost is a BIG difference.


The magnets on the rotor need to be 1"x 3/4" neos. There should be at least 12 on each side of the rotor as I describe in the video, and ALWAYS an even number. One side of the rotor has positive magnets facing out, and the other side of the rotor has negative magnets facing out, the pair of magnets are attracted to each other through a very thing piece of plastic that is NOT machined out of the rotor when the holes for the magnets are created. This locks the magnets into the rotor so you do not have to worry about them EVER coming out...even when you WANT them to. The rotor also needs to be thick enough so that NO PART of the magnet extends above the surface of the rotor. This is incredibly important for both safety and tolerances. Air gap between rotor and coils is about 1/16 of an inch. Energy production of the coil is EXPONENTIAL to the decrease in air gap, so it needs to be TIGHT.


The coils are wound with 24 strands of #23 wire each 127 feet in length. One foot at each end is NOT wound on the coil, so the coil is wound with 125 foot strands. Eight strands are connected in series. So you have three wires going off the coil. Each wire is composed of eight strands connected in series. I hope that makes sense.


There are three issues that prevent most generators being run by an electric motor, and solving those problems makes this machine work.


1. As rotor magnets pass the iron cores of the coils there is an attraction of the magnet to the iron. The more coils you have, the more iron, so the more drag. This causes the motor to draw more amps, and with only a few coils in place, a stock electric motor will exceed the recommended amp draw and go up in smoke. With the design I am showing, whenever the rotor magnet is aligned between two coils on the stator, both of which it is attracted to, the magnet directly across the rotor is between two adjustable magnets in REPULSION mode. By adjusting the repulsion to equalize with the attraction, you get a free wheeling rotor. WITHOUT these repulsion magnets in place, my big machine draws more amps than the digital meter (30 amp meter) can measure. With them in place it draws 12 amps. The smaller machine will draw LESS.


2. The second issue is that when you put a generator coil under load, the self induction of the coil creates a magnetic field that repels the approaching magnet until it reaches top dead center on the coil, at which time the field flips polarity and attracts the rotor magnet as it is moving away. The coils I have described how to build, because of their increased capacitance, delay the self induction until such time as the magnet is aligned with the coil, at which time the repelling field is produced, pushing the rotor magnet away in the direction of rotation. You can reduce this motive force by reducing the rpm of the motor, and you WANT to do this. You do NOT want a Lenz assisted rotation of the rotor because it affects the output of the coil. Maximum output of the coil is achieved when Lenz neither delays nor accelerates the rotation of the rotor.


3. The third issue is heat. Constant changing of flux in iron cores produces heat and will MELT THE WIRE RIGHT OFF THE COIL if the generator is run for too long. This is the issue I am working on. Ferrite may reduce the heat. Heat sinks on the back end of the coils may reduce the heat. I have been using Gatorade bottles filled with water. The cores of my coils stick out the back of the bobbin a bit over an inch. I take the lid off a gatorade bottle and drill a hole in the cap that fits over the coil core. Then I epoxy the the cap onto the core, fill the bottle with water, and screw it into the lid. The water cools the core and the air cools the water. SO far it is working, but hopefully someone here will have some better ideas. If not, and I build a machine big enough to run my house, I know what I will use for a hot water heater.


One last thing. EVERY coil will speed up under load at the right frequency. The frequency is determined by the speed at which a SINGLE magnet moves from one side of the coil to the other. Putting more magnets on a rotor that is turning at the same rpm does NOT change this frequency. I know. I have tried. The frequency for coils with three strands 1000 feet long is 2800 rpm on the size rotors I am using with the size magnets I am using. With 12 strands of wire, each 250 feet long and four connected in series so STILL three wires 1000 feet long coming off the coil, that frequency drops to 1900 rpm. With 24 wires (8 strands in series) it drops even lower. You increase the capacitance of the coil by adding ADDITIONAL STRANDS in parallel and connecting them in series. The number of wires on the coil determine amperage output. In my case every coil has "3" wires even though those three wires are composed of strands wound in parallel and connected in series. The LENGTH of the wires determine voltage. All my coils have 3 wires 1000 feet long.  The increased capacitance of the coil as a result of the way it is wound lengthens the output pulse of the coil, so there is less "off time" on the scope with the higher capacity coil even though the rpm of the rotor is the same, the amount of wire is the same and the rotor is the same. 


This is a teaching machine. It will teach you a lot if you choose to build it. It is also COP>1 by quite a ways.
I am here to answer any questions I can, but please bear with me. I have SEVERAL versions of this machine in my shop. One has six coils on it. one 10, one 12. All use the same coil, but rotors are different, sizes are different, and once in a while I give info on one machine that really belongs to another. Can't help it. I'm just getting old.


I am not going to argue with ANYBODY here about whether this works or not. I have built too many of these and have had them running on my bench to put up with that nonsense. If you don't believe it works, DON"T build it. Up to you. Within the next couple months I will have one of these machines up and running in my shop, and can show some video. The big machine is at a lab for independent testing. The ten coil machine that was in pieces on the bench, I can't find the parts for because of the move from one house to another, so I am converting the one assembled machine that you saw in the video which holds 12 coils. I have to be able to use the opposing magnets, so I am basically putting three coils on each side of the rotor, and using the holes for the other three coils on each side of the rotor to put in apposing magnets. It won't put out as much power as either of the other machines, but it will prove my point, and I will have video of it running with inputs and outputs. I am not selling anything. No kits, no rotors, no coils, nothing. Maybe an autographed picture, but that's about it.
Dave

 

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