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Author Topic: Confirmation of OU devices and claims  (Read 190700 times)

Offline itsu

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #315 on: April 30, 2019, 12:42:18 PM »

Hi Benfr,

as Gyula already mentioned, a NE-2 bulb only lights up with voltage applied at 75V and higher.
So it is not that hard to understand that a FG with 20Vpp is unable to light it up as we are 55V short.

If my FG was able to provide 100Vpp it would be able to light it up even without your 3-coil system.

So we need some device/circuit to increase the voltage to that 75V.
Your 3 coil system is able to boost up the voltage to do so, so is the mentioned joule thief etc.
No magic there.


But i see you are happy with what you have and that is good, enjoy it.
Also the readers of this thread are now aware of your ideas and solutions of free energy.


Regards Itsu


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #315 on: April 30, 2019, 12:42:18 PM »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #316 on: April 30, 2019, 12:53:19 PM »
Hi forest,

When you convert say a low frequency input to high frequency by parametric pumping with the use of a varactor diode for instance, the voltage or current "amplification" takes places in resonant LC circuits but overall input to output power (or energy) ratio remains under 1. 

I do not get how you connect this with "the room filled with electrostatic response from all metals",   how would you utilize "current flow outside of the wires"  when grounding the metals? 
How do you think the input power needed to create the strong EM field compares to the power created by the current flow in your chosen load? Why would output be higher than input in this case I wonder (near field radiation or excitation).

You quoted Tesla tests on single wire power transfer: how it is connected to parametric amplifiers?  He was in the process of finding means to transfer energy first via a single wire where the 'second wire' was the total enviroment (capacitive bodies, 'devices') to make up for a closed circuit. He surely disturbed the local physical enviroment in the vicinity of the single wire but we do not know whether the enviroment gave back more than what he fed into the wire, and without measurements it would be just dreaming he received back more.

Also, unfortunately, none of the scientific papers which dealt with parametric oscillators/devices proves with measurements done on the built prototypes that output (power or energy) exceeded the input (power or energy) versus the input. 

Here are the papers I mean: http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Mandelstam_Papalexi/  but there are more of course.

But all this should not discourage you, please continue doing tests as you desire. 

Gyula

Make resonant circuit with parametric pumping input frequency and the method of converting output to very high frequency. That way OU is real I think.
https://hackaday.com/2019/04/26/parametric-amplifiers-and-varactors/
I spotted this effect in 2005 with the room filled with electrostatic response from all metals. The proper grounding then makes current flow outside of the wires. In fact Tesla said it in plain sight in his interview. I believe Barbosa and Leal perfected Tesla method but we won't know due to cryptic patent text (like always).



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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #317 on: April 30, 2019, 12:58:07 PM »
"lamps" as indicators :

Voltage diminuation and power effect :
https://m.phys.org/news/2012-03-efficiency.html
 1/2 Voltage means 1/4 power input but only 1/2 light power output diminuation : 200% gain performance

Eigen-/Spin frequency of the material


Also more for academical interests only , the performance result :

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20041118&CC=WO&NR=2004100349A1&KC=A1#

how many lumen and heat output by 10/20/30 ...... identical lamp serie ?

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #318 on: April 30, 2019, 01:23:12 PM »
Hello Gyula,

https://www.google.com/search?q=f.+braun+mandelstam&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m

Question : which was https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Braun his " energy scheme" ,           

        whose accepted by Mandelstam ? + Papalexy:  parametric generator

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #319 on: April 30, 2019, 01:44:12 PM »
Why I feel you are pulling our legs?

Gyula

This impression ceases when you stop looking elsewhere than where you are asked to. Ask itsu, he has the setup that you dare not build, so far has he also not been able to power his NE2 without my setup. :P

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #320 on: April 30, 2019, 02:12:58 PM »
https://www.google.com/search?q=ne-2+lamp+voltage&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m
NE-2 : VDC 90 Design current 0,3 mA ( Farnell data)

                                                               
                                                         ergo starter input power                                                                 

                                                                         0,027 VA

                                          with Voltage drop down to average 0,02 VA input

                                                 benfr, this is the energetic demonstration level !
( Without calculating and measurement from peak and average inrush voltage and/ or inrush current)


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #321 on: April 30, 2019, 02:13:06 PM »
Hi Bastien,
Sorry but I already wrote to you (but you disregard it  :P ) that there have been several other people who operate neon lamps from very low input voltages, why should I build such circuit you refer to when it needs a function generator etc? 
Here I quote from my earlier post on circuits you can also build and get rid of the use of a generator:

"a neon bulb like you use (NE-2 type) does not need an expensive kit to make it light up, 
just build a Joule thief oscillator and take say an 1.2 volt battery and the bulb will be lit nicely with them.
Here is a 4 minute long video showing it in action: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MxIXESkS3I

The circuit can work from even a discharged battery that has about 0.84 VDC only and you can see input voltage amplified
up well over 100 volts shown on the oscilloscope.
Here is another Joule thief for operating a neon bulb:
https://www.instructables.com/id/high-voltage-joule-thief/ 

If you have some more time, this video includes several Joule thiefs including neon bulb: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQqAP_tyEqg  "         

In fact, the oscillator circuits (known among the tinkerers as Joule thiefs) substitute your signal generator and they use much less input power.   

Gyula

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #322 on: April 30, 2019, 02:54:36 PM »



Sorry but I already wrote to you ()but you disregard it) that there have been several other people who operate neon lamps from very low input voltages, why should I build such circuit you refer to when it needs a function generator etc? 
Here I quote from my earlier post on circuits you can also build and get rid of the use of a generator:

ok, Guyla, I think I understand your point. Your examples are fine, I didn't know them. Thanks for letting me know. They could be very useful for me also.
I understand you do not have a freq gen, hence...
So to answer you...it is not a problem to substitute another load instead of the NE2 : I can check what I have and you'll have to wait if I don't.
I have, though, experienced the same amplification with 4 V LEDs with a 1 V input .
We can think of any other load ; if you have suggestions, please offer them.


https://www.google.com/search?q=ne-2+lamp+voltage&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m
NE-2 : VDC 90 Design current 0,3 mA ( Farnell data)   ergo starter input power                                                                 0,027 VA
   with Voltage drop down to average 0,02 VA input

benfr, this is the energetic demonstration level !

thanks for taking a look !
one step at a time Sir. here I have not stated yet that the whole machine including the freq gen is OU... yet. That's what I'm showing for the circuit inside although you may reproach me not to have yet measured amperage there. Don't worry for that now, if you're kind and patient, God will provide for your wildest dreams right here on this forum. :p

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #323 on: April 30, 2019, 04:19:47 PM »
benfr,you do not need to state but has to follow the NE-2 industrial numbers as fact :

at start 0,027 later 0,02  Volt-Ampere DC under full load condition
 the Neon lamp  consumes for measureable stable  lumen output.

With 50 Neon lamps  NE-2 connected under full load condition this gives 1 Volt-Ampere per hour or ~ 1 Wh load charge need.
                                                                   
                                                                            DC versus( pulsedDC) AC :


                               AC less Voltage need, Amperage  with AC ? With pulsed DC = modified AC ?

                                                                             With feedback cycle ?

                                                                 lumen output power recuperation ?

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #324 on: April 30, 2019, 05:30:41 PM »
Hi a.king21,

Would like to ask you whether you are aware of the received power levels quantitatively at the output of each receiver module? LED lamps (say with 3 to 5 W data sheet ratings) are surely lit but actually how much power drives them is not shown as measured, this is why I ask.

It is ok that performing such measurements is not easy (instruments are in the vicinity of the strong EM near field of the single transmitter coil). Perhaps Using a full wave diode bridge across the AC output of each receiver modul and say the use of 100 or 220 uF puffer capacitors to filter the diode's DC output would help: this DC output then could drive a known resistor load across which just a DC voltage level check would be needed. 
The value of these resistors could be calculated like this: if the shown LED lamps were say 12V and say 3W rated, then their equivalent resistance were (12 x 12) / 3 = 48 Ohm, ok? (use a 47 Ohm, at least 2W rated ones). This is the load any such LED lamp (12V, 3W) would represent towards any 12V voltage source when the source is able to maintain the 12V voltage level.  For other LED lamps the same calculation can be used to learn what actual load they represent when fed by their specified voltage.

Obviously, if the voltage level is say 11V or 9.5V or less, the consumed power by this LED becomes less and less too, LED lamps are non linear loads. However, the actual DC power dissipated in a resistor can immediately be known by a simple DC level test across the resistor. If you find say only 10V across a 47 Ohm resistor, then the consumed power would be (10x10)/47=2.1W and so on.  Notice that a 2V less input voltage (wrt 12V) results in almost 1W less power draw.

For diode bridges,  the cheap UF4007 fast Si diodes are fine, especially if each diode in the bridge is made of two paralleled ones, to reduce overall voltage drop across the bridges.Or use Shottky diodes to make the bridges to reduce voltage loss further on.

This way, by summing up the DC power levels in the resistors across each receiver output, and checking the DC input to the transmitter coil driver IC, a fair comparison of the input and output powers can be obtained. 
Are you aware of any such tests done on a single transmitter, multiple receiver modul setup?

Could you do such tests if you have such kit? This is the only way to arrive at any performance evaluation.
If truth is important, that is.
I am not trying to nit-pick with you or anyone else, even a 'mere' COP = 1.5 result would be fantastic, not to mention anything higher, like a COP 144 claim. Do you agree?

Thanks, Gyula

Gyula,

concerning your writing in this post above, what would be the preferred setup for the coils, vertical like in the
below picture or horizontal which i understand from Rick's video?

Planning to drive the center coil (transmitter coil) directly from my FG (initially) with a 47pF series cap. and
the 5 receiver coils each with a 100pF series trimmer cap. to the by you suggested FWBR, 220uF puffer cap and a good known resistor.

 
Itsu

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #325 on: April 30, 2019, 06:09:23 PM »
Gyula,

concerning your writing in this post above, what would be the preferred setup for the coils, vertical like in the
below picture or horizontal which i understand from Rick's video?

Planning to drive the center coil (transmitter coil) directly from my FG (initially) with a 47pF series cap. and
the 5 receiver coils each with a 100pF series trimmer cap. to the by you suggested FWBR, 220uF puffer cap and a good known resistor.

 
Itsu

Immmmmm..pressive itsu ! Looks like the real beast, almost.
It's good to try and learn. just beware not to touch the coils at any time, in case you spot it right in the first place.
You would like to save you 100's hours by just buying Rick Friedrich's "Don Smith Magnetic Resonance Systematic Index". It has all what you need to replicate a  Don Smith #2. With the kit, also , by the way, if you buy 2 extra coils (same price total). Personally...I have both and I have already stated how valuable this cake is. Make yourself a favor !!! ;D

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #326 on: April 30, 2019, 07:00:45 PM »
Hi Itsu,
I think you can stay with the vertical positions as shown in your photo.  Of course no need to fix mechanically the receiver coils, they need to be movable for adjusting coupling.  Many thanks for taking the efforts!

Gyula

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #327 on: April 30, 2019, 07:12:47 PM »
Gyula,

concerning your writing in this post above, what would be the preferred setup for the coils, vertical like in the
below picture or horizontal which i understand from Rick's video?

Planning to drive the center coil (transmitter coil) directly from my FG (initially) with a 47pF series cap. and
the 5 receiver coils each with a 100pF series trimmer cap. to the by you suggested FWBR, 220uF puffer cap and a good known resistor.

 
Itsu




A couple of points. 
A gate driver increases the output massively -  The one recommended is MIC4452YN DRIVER, MOSFET, 12A-PEAK, LOW SIDE.
Not sure why your satellite coils are joined together.  The transmitter should be on the inside which it is.
Your setup actually looks quite brilliant - and is a great basis for making more receiver coils which can be placed directly behind the other receiver coils.  The theory is that each receiver coil will also become magnetically locked to the main transmitter and each receiver coil will re-transmit the signal MAGNETICALLY.(ie Heaviside component - NOT Poynting or Lorenz which is the basis for Kirchhoff's laws.)
The maximum voltage for the gate driver is 9 volts at the over 1mhz frequency range.


If you build the bigger coil it is harder to tune but is at a lower frequency and the gate driver can go up to 18 volts. If you want to build
the bigger coil pm me and I will give you the specs. (You also need 5nf caps in parallel with each receiver coil.)The output for the bigger coil is also massively increased ie 3.75 watts input gives a Heaviside magnetic output equivalent to 900 watts according to the information I  have been given. (I have not replicated it).
« Last Edit: April 30, 2019, 07:32:54 PM by Grumage »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #328 on: April 30, 2019, 07:40:17 PM »
Hi All.

Despite adding a comment regarding my edit of  a.king21 last post it didn't register.

Mr  a.king21 had managed to place Itsu's " Quote "  after his own making a complete " Blue " post, this has now been corrected.

Cheers Grum.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #329 on: April 30, 2019, 07:50:52 PM »
gyulasun
Please read few times this little fragment of Tesla interview. There is something weird which is overlooked easily...or my English is very bad and I didn't understood what Tesla said.

 

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