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Author Topic: Confirmation of OU devices and claims  (Read 191046 times)

Offline Hoppy

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1515 on: July 22, 2019, 06:53:31 PM »

Also the rudeness to an inventor is only going to put other inventors off.  That's why some do not do videos.  So we all lose in the end.  Think about it.
Would you post a claim here after seeing the vitriol against an inventor ie Rick?
So, what about the rudeness being both given and returned by the inventor! We only lose when we accept claims without reasonable proof. Its called blind faith. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbYmdY8z8vg

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1515 on: July 22, 2019, 06:53:31 PM »

Offline AlienGrey

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1516 on: July 22, 2019, 07:54:36 PM »
So is this overunity ? I think Nelson wants people to view it but you have to guess the rest, good isn't it ?


https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMlSxShaDEE96_4ZzKPhw4mxsnEPe6x2X6S8fVuR7psCwgsRYUhPrILZMIthoLm2w?key=ejNzalBqdzR2WF94dlp5c2hqbEg2MjhkN1U5bF9B
« Last Edit: July 23, 2019, 02:41:17 AM by AlienGrey »


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1517 on: July 22, 2019, 08:30:36 PM »
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Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1518 on: July 22, 2019, 09:02:29 PM »
I have put now a few more members on moderation as they have been attacking Rick.
This way I can better see, who posts what and if these are slander or defamation postings with notechnical analysis, I will not let it get through and will be deleted...

Regards, Stefan. ( Admin)

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1519 on: July 22, 2019, 10:10:24 PM »
What, can't you tell?


What about this, is this overunity?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLsOCYPCvGc
Yes that is interesting, there is the other type too where you touch it and the LEDs or bulb goes brighter.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1519 on: July 22, 2019, 10:10:24 PM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1520 on: July 22, 2019, 11:52:37 PM »
I have put now a few more members on moderation as they have been attacking Rick.
This way I can better see, who posts what and if these are slander or defamation postings with notechnical analysis, I will not let it get through and will be deleted...

Regards, Stefan. ( Admin)

This is a letter of protest, and although one man's opinion, I know that it is shared by many.

 Stefan do you realize what you are doing? You have gagged two of the very brightest guys you have had on this thread, partzman and gyula. I know these guys are very experienced in electronics, one I know personally and I know his long experience (over 50 years) as well as his exemplary work history and inventions. Apparently you did not take my pm seriously, instead you pander to the likes of RF who actually has provided no technical offering worthy of serious study but lots of talk, hence the protests by the above mentioned.

I am posting my pm sent to you priorly on 7/19/2019 also here in the interest of free speech and so that others can see my opinion on your actions, which you have now, it appears, persisted in.
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Dear Stefan

While we appreciate the opportunity to post our creative efforts on OU.com, we can't help but notice that forum management specifically  moderation at the uppermost level has become overly biased and is no longer operating within the rules of  "fair play". This is a disappointment to many of us. We understand the necessity of creating an income driven engine, but when it is done at the expense of quality and fairness, you do your own integrity and the forum in general a disservice.
 We hope that you will return to your your original goodwill and sensibility of years ago, lest your forum continue to degrade in both quality content and quality membership.

The smartest people are coming to understand the truth and are jumping ship by no longer posting on OU.com, while searching for other venues with rules that demand proofs when outrageous claims are made. Maybe you have relied on the fact that in the FE game there are always newbies to be had to fill the ranks of the frustrated experienced members that leave, but at the expense of that which only experience can  give.

New FE forums spring up every year, and old poorly run dinosaurs that have not upgraded the quality of their advertising or content must go extinct. People are getting smarter and see through a lot these days.

In the final analysis it is your sandbox and you can run it with whatever quality level or lack thereof as you wish, however this 13 year member must refrain from posting until such times as the ships direction is righted.

Regards and good luck
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Now you call anyone who disagrees with what is outrageously being claimed without proof a Naysayer with a capital N

Considering your new version of free speech, I wonder how quickly you will delete this.

Regards
« Last Edit: July 23, 2019, 01:54:09 AM by Vortex1 »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1521 on: July 23, 2019, 12:29:07 AM »
From what I have seen, a common way that people can get tripped up when
analyzing circuits is they look at voltage or current or maybe electric field
or magnetic field, and if they see an increase of any of these they think maybe that
implies a magnification of output power (an increase of energy in the system over
what is coming from the input power source). In AC circuits especially, you certainly can't just look
at the magnitudes of current and voltage, as you also must accurately take into account
the phase angle between the voltage and current, so this can also trip people up, and often
does in forums like this.

From the point of view of over unity experimentation, rather than looking at individual
things like voltage magnitude or current magnitude, or magnetic field strength or whatever else
when trying to analyze how a circuit may be performing, which can easily lead you astray, if you think
in terms of energy transfer in the circuit you will get a clearer overall picture of what should be
going on, and you should see why most over unity schemes are likely doomed to failure. If we allow that
energy can neither be created nor destroyed, only transferred from one point to another or converted from one
form to another, unless your over unity scheme incorporates a way to draw excess energy into your setup on top of
what your input power source is supplying to the system, there should be no way to achieve over unity. Your
circuit setup must draw extra energy in from outside your setup to be able to achieve over unity.

In the attached diagram I show how energy will transfer from a battery or power supply
to a high frequency generator to the transmitter LC tank circuit, and from there divide amongst
the four receiver LC tank circuits. Since all circuitry has at least some losses, the total average
ouput power will always be at least a little less than the average input power. Each receiver
LC tank circuit receives a proportional fraction of the overall energy that is being delivered into
the transmitter LC tank circuit. Unless there is some special factor at play in such a setup which
draws in energy from external to the circuitry somehow, Total Pout < Pin, (assuming you have some
type of real loads connected to each LC tank receiver).

Now you could hypthesize about a 'heaviside component' or something else which some unique aspect
of your circuit is supposedly tapping into to provide excess energy to your setup, but you would have
to have some very unusual aspect/arrangement in your circuit which ordinary circuits do not
have (keep in mind that LC circuits are very common circuit arrangments used in various types of applications),
and, more importantly, your test results would have to bear out that hypothesis of a special way of drawing
in excess energy into your setup. This will involve either careful and proper measurements or self-looping.
'Guesstimating' based on perceived bulb brightness or whatever else is just not going to be of any real
value in determining actual circuit performance. The human eye is just not very good at all at accurately
judging light bulb brightness, and especially not for translating that to an accurate average output power
estimation. A possible exception to that would be, for example, where you are powering say a 60 Watt incandescent bulb
or higher very brightly and steadily and continuously for some length of time and your input power is reasonably accurately
measured as only say a few Watts or less. Then it would seem that something unusual may very well be going on, but you
would still want to check everything over carefully and make sure you are not overlooking something.  :)

 

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1522 on: July 23, 2019, 02:21:21 AM »
http://rexresearch.com/barbat/barbat.htm
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larmor_precession
There is a small window where unexspected changes can happen.
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Material " temporal overunity" limit: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FResonanzkatastrophe
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1523 on: July 23, 2019, 03:01:13 AM »
deleted due to lack of interest
« Last Edit: July 23, 2019, 11:19:16 AM by AlienGrey »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1524 on: July 23, 2019, 03:41:02 AM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1525 on: July 23, 2019, 03:51:29 AM »
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Vortex1:  But proof has been offered.  You stubbornly refuse to believe it as a possibility.  Consider the distance of the mr16s from the transmitter and remember the inverse square law.  You immediately have a closed mind approach to the evidence offered. Rick has repeatedly said you cannot prove anything over the internet. All you can do is exchange ideas. That is what this forum is for.  Anyway Rick has put his device forward for the 1 watt challenge in either one of his posts or videos (  i can't remember which).  That is what should be debated. Furthermore those members who are in the US can go to one of his meetings and verify matters for yourselves.  Now THAT come nearer to verification. Also members can be courteous. Courtesy gets you much further than insults. Fortunately Rick can give as much as he gets thrown at him. 

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1525 on: July 23, 2019, 03:51:29 AM »
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Offline rickfriedrich

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1526 on: July 23, 2019, 04:17:53 AM »
Stefan,
I appreciate your moderating the forum.
While I will probably not have the time to contribute here very much anymore I think that this whole thing will continue to go on and on. As I wrote, I am just about to launch the new website which I think you will like. It is a new idea and totally opensource. I trust that people will debate the core details on the free energy cheat sheet. While the move will hopefully be towards debating ideas rather than personalities, I trust some will continue to attack, and probably all the more. I was considering starting a forum for going over each point on the cheat sheet, which are Principles of Free Energy Science, I decided just to let the existing forums battle it out. It will be good to change the focus to the core issues and off the secondary or non-existent ones. If anyone makes any significant contributions to the points I will be glad to add them to the associated page that is dedicated to that point. This way a science can begin grow rather than this unorganized mad rush to look for some mysterious circuit. Tesla began this science in 1890, in those famous three lecture demonstrations, but as he later said, he was not able to change that establishment. Bearden produced an attempt to show the principles and concepts but that was far too convoluted and had little practical worth. He was not willing to break it down for the common person and when I asked him about that he showed no interest in doing that. I've been thinking about this for 15 years now. What is needed is this principles approach with illustrations, demonstrations, products mentioned that have been used for the last 100+ years, patents, etc. This will take a lot of work to do right. Not sure if anyone is willing to help as most are lost in attacking people or chasing after fictional proofs. I'll let everyone know the website when I am ready. I don't want people clicking pages and finding no content. Some of that will be happening on some pages for a while.

Rick

I have put now a few more members on moderation as they have been attacking Rick.
This way I can better see, who posts what and if these are slander or defamation postings with notechnical analysis, I will not let it get through and will be deleted...

Regards, Stefan. ( Admin)

Offline Void

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1527 on: July 23, 2019, 06:11:04 AM »
Consider the distance of the mr16s from the transmitter and remember the inverse square law. 

Hi a.king. Actually from the screen shot posted here, it appears there are coils beside coils beside coils, each coil acting to pass the energy through
to the next coil until the load is reached.

Rick has repeatedly said you cannot prove anything over the internet. All you can do is exchange ideas.


That is actually a red herring. People have not been saying 'proof' is required at this point. Only saying a reasonable demonstration
showing proper power measurements or a demonstration showing a self-looped setup would be needed before some/most people
here with experience at this sort of thing would be bothered to go to all the effort to try to replicate it. For 'proof', people would
need exact details for replication, and then multiple people would have to independently replicate and see if they could get OU results.
Before going to that stage a reasonable and proper demonstration would be required first for most people here,  I think. Seems like a perfectly
reasonable and relatively easily doable approach to me anyway. Many people have spent a lot of time and effort in the past trying to replicate
claimed OU circuits which turned out to not be OU, some actually having very poor efficiency, time and time again. All indications so far is it is
the same with this setup as well, for the reasons previously stated here.

All the best...


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1528 on: July 23, 2019, 06:27:29 AM »
This is a letter of protest, and although one man's opinion, I know that it is shared by many.

 Stefan do you realize what you are doing? You have gagged two of the very brightest guys you have had on this thread, partzman and gyula. I know these guys are very experienced in electronics, one I know personally and I know his long experience (over 50 years) as well as his exemplary work history and inventions. Apparently you did not take my pm seriously, instead you pander to the likes of RF who actually has provided no technical offering worthy of serious study but lots of talk, hence the protests by the above mentioned.

I am posting my pm sent to you priorly on 7/19/2019 also here in the interest of free speech and so that others can see my opinion on your actions, which you have now, it appears, persisted in.
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Now you call anyone who disagrees with what is outrageously being claimed without proof a Naysayer with a capital N

Considering your new version of free speech, I wonder how quickly you will delete this.

Regards
Well said Vortex1!

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1529 on: July 23, 2019, 09:28:11 AM »
Excellent post Vortex1!

 

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