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Online ramset

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1485 on: July 21, 2019, 09:15:33 PM »
VOID ..RE : fellow in the Philippines
quote Hi Ramset. If Joel agrees to do a demo (he apparently has previously), then it doesn't have to
be too over the top. If the person going there is too demanding or intimidating, he might not agree to a demo. (http://overunity.com/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
For a first visit, a person viewing just needs to:
1) Be able to make sure there are no hidden mains wires being used to power the loads by checking carefully around the device
    and loads for possible hidden wires.
2) Make sure there is no large battery inside powering an inverter. Can do this by powering
    a load of about 1kW for several hours continuously.
Keep it friendly and easy going and he may agree to do the demo.
If someone approaches him with all sorts of over the top demands, then he may well not agree. end quote


Void...He is seeking investors ....? all I know about that is what I have read in these forums over years and years..and the ratio of truth to scam ...there is no ratio from where I sit ..referring to persons soliciting investors in similar presentations on you tube.

so its buyer beware ... and having spent a lifetime in the melting pot of NYC where a "NY minute" usually determines how fast a sucker gets separated from his money ....yeesh..

Here some fellows behind the old iron curtain ran scams which still creep me out.[reminded me of my life experiences with certain elements in NYC..
But the Philippines seems changed or changing ..over here the impression that a scam would be tolerated  ??I don't know ...

and then the fact that the People there would benefit tremendously from such technology


Mark Dansie has one speed,and could teach classes on what to do in these cases.

 There is another fellow who might be able to visit or contact him...would take many more calls to make that happen

And  I have to be honest ...I have little time for these things these days.maybe some other fellows here can carry some water or know some persons in the Philippines to call.
EDIT
Especially since A King seems to have put a Wesley Build/attempt on the page? Wesley is here on this forum and seems interested in teaching and definitely shares components and equipment to this group of builders.

Viva la Viziv...?[spelled it right that time I think ??


 
« Last Edit: July 22, 2019, 12:47:04 AM by ramset »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1485 on: July 21, 2019, 09:15:33 PM »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1486 on: July 21, 2019, 09:37:52 PM »
rick friedrich rules (also known as Ferengi rules of acquisition):



1 Once you have their money... you never give it back.
2   The best deal is the one that brings the most profit.   The 34th Rule
2   Money is everything.
3      Never spend more for an acquisition than you have to.
5   Always exaggerate your estimates.   
8   Small print leads to large risk.   
9   Opportunity plus instinct equals profit.
10   Greed is eternal.   
13   Anything worth doing is worth doing for money.
14   Sometimes the quickest way to find profits is to let them find you.
15   Dead men close no deals.   
16   A deal is a deal... until a better one comes along.
17   A contract is a contract is a contract... but only between Ferengi   
18   A Rick Ferengi without profit is no Ferengi at all.
19   Satisfaction is not guaranteed.
20   He who dives under the table today lives to profit tomorrow.   Ferenginar: Satisfaction is Not Guaranteed
21   Never place friendship above profit.
22   A wise man can hear profit in the wind.
23   Nothing is more important than your health... except for your money.   
27   There's nothing more dangerous than an honest businessman.
29   What's in it for me?
30   Confidentiality equals profit.
39   Don't tell customers more than they need to know.   
43   Feed your greed, but not enough to choke it.   
55   Take joy from profit, and profit from joy.
57   Good customers are as rare as latinum—treasure them.
60   Keep your lies consistent.   




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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1487 on: July 21, 2019, 10:05:28 PM »

I am not relying on a panel meters for my claims T. I do use all the meters available, and also the ultimate KW meter that is on the side of your house as I show at my meetings. My claims are about what is happening in the real world.

Rick,
C'mon man this is a futile endless loop of accusations /counter accusations. You have been told not to waste peoples time with long sermons claiming OU, that you are not willing to support with at least a modicum of meaningful data. You are giving as good as you get in terms of ridicule, its a case of the 'pot calling the kettle black'. Folk are naturally going to react if they are preached to by anyone trying to lord over a forum thread.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1487 on: July 21, 2019, 10:05:28 PM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1488 on: July 21, 2019, 11:00:02 PM »
I been reading this thread.
But, I can not find OU schematics from Mr. Rick, all talking about.

I will be glad if somebody can point me where is it?

Thanks!

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1489 on: July 21, 2019, 11:18:07 PM »
AG  quite true you make posts like you just did to hoppy all the time here  "PSSSST have a look at this,but its not for here "  or make insinuations of knowledge not revealed ..Secrets .....and that is the problem with Ricks unwillingness to help here,and people here see one of the better builders at the forum struggle with the language
and understanding..and instead ,he just criticizes itsu for his handicap..or inability tocomprehend.
to much PSSSST here...

members here read that and suspect that your are indeed consistent.
EDiIT I see you added itsu to the quote and now in bold

HOPPY and ITSU I HAVE SOME THING THAT MIGHT HELP YOU BUT IT'S NOT FOR EVERYONE'S EYES.
can i send it to you ?
Nelson..respect has a place in knitting forums ..baking..or maybe poem writing venues as perhaps an excuse to with hold content...when peoples lives depend on the topic coming thru loud .. clear ..and spot on..?
PLEASE...
If you told me a secret would you like it if i published it when you told me not to ?
no of course you wouldn't any way Rick knows what I know  ! so your worries are unfounded.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1489 on: July 21, 2019, 11:18:07 PM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1490 on: July 21, 2019, 11:32:32 PM »
 AG
 No worries ,I am on the road but wanted to leave this message for Tinsel
 A note to TInsel
Somebody dropped off a bouquet of flowers and a cheeseburger here ..and before you ask no I don’t know who bit the cheeseburger ( thought it might be Nick Z but I’m not saying )
The note says

something about ...thank you for the auto resonance circuit ...it worked like a champ
I couldn’t make out the video channel
But will try to ask tomorrow


.............
Edit for void below
Thanks for sharing the vids
Here members who lived close use to offer more
Help with such things

But after years of bad results
Not so much anymore...
I like to think someone here will
Try
If not I will
 

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1491 on: July 22, 2019, 12:01:03 AM »
Hoppy,
Not true, I have answered the questions, but most refuse to answer what I have asked. I have shown that the accusations are self-contradictory, and the underlying assumption of expecting to prove OU over the internet is fundamental lunacy. If I was wasting people's time then they would not keep asking the questions Hoppy. If this was a waste of time then there would be 115000+ views here. I have never done what most have done towards me. I don't make up stuff or twist things or make demands for people to prove the impossible (like over the internet). It is several of you that are lording over me and others in this. Making such demands while not expecting to do the same themselves. Again, Hoppy, is this a place for information sharing or something more? Why all the fuss? Why single me out when no one pretends to prove anything here? I have told you where you can find proof, but it is not possible online. That should be a 'reality' check. Now I don't see anyone among the people who are playing the games holding any of their own accountable. But you want to point the finger at me for some reason.

Rick,
C'mon man this is a futile endless loop of accusations /counter accusations. You have been told not to waste peoples time with long sermons claiming OU, that you are not willing to support with at least a modicum of meaningful data. You are giving as good as you get in terms of ridicule, its a case of the 'pot calling the kettle black'. Folk are naturally going to react if they are preached to by anyone trying to lord over a forum thread.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1492 on: July 22, 2019, 12:05:04 AM »
Ramset, if you feel that way then don't waste your time.
I only posted some video links and mentioned a few comments people have made.
I don't know what the exact situation is there.


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1493 on: July 22, 2019, 01:03:03 AM »

Rick,

I quote some text from your recent posts to me, first from #1361
https://overunity.com/17491/confirmation-of-ou-devices-and-claims/msg537001/#msg537001

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"If I have any radiation detector I can see what the inductor radiates in and out of resonance. In fact the difference of input is minimal in or out of resonance, but the radiation is phenomenally different.

The input does not change substantially, or proportionately to the radiation and voltage between in and out of resonance. This is a nonconservative relationship, obviously. Now if I was ringing the bell instead of a forced oscillation then that would be even more obvious. But again, all we have to do is compare the input with the output and see what the difference is: Input is about the same in or out of resonance, yet output massively different. hmmm, about the differences between 9V and 1300V. There's that 144 times the difference, and is what we see in radiation difference.

You agree with the radiation difference, but you deliberately leave out the most obvious detail (which is implied by other things you say elsewhere) that the input does not correspondingly change to be 144 times different."


I quote from your next post #1362 https://overunity.com/17491/confirmation-of-ou-devices-and-claims/msg537003/#msg537003 

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"Remember, I used the metered power supply to run either of these, and see how using the FG with the same power gives lower results, like producing 250V with 9V input. But when I add the gate driver I get 1300V with the same input approximately. This has a faster rate of change. I only say all this because these are the parts in the kits."

I qoute this from your post #1394 : 
https://overunity.com/17491/confirmation-of-ou-devices-and-claims/msg537131/#msg537131
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"You just assumed that the input would have to correspond to the output voltage and radiation. But it actually doesn't. There is substantially no input difference between running the tank with 9V out of resonance and with running in resonance. That has been my point all along."
Now I quote this from your post of #1395 https://overunity.com/17491/confirmation-of-ou-devices-and-claims/msg537135/#msg537135 :

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"The point is that if the frequency generator powered by the metered power supply draws substantially the same power as the gate driver, then we have a gain demonstrated because of the fact of the rate of change and not because of all your gymnastics."

The reason I list these quotes is to make it clear what you mean on input and output and eventually the "missing point".   8)

Lest I misunderstand the message from your above quotes, I summarize them like this:

you measured the DC input power of your frequency generator it consumed from your power supply and said this:
1) consumption (DC power draw) did not change significantly when you tuned the TX circuit in and out of resonance
2) this consumption was comparable to the DC consumption of the gate driver you also measured when this latter was driving the same TX circuit at resonance and this time 1300 Vpp appeared across the TX coil instead of say 250 Vpp the generator RF output produced earlier across the coil.

Here is my answer for these:

When you used the frequency generator to drive the series LC TX circuit, the 50 Ohm output impedance inherently limited the output current. This means that the maximum output current was defined by the generator output voltage amplitude, by the inherent 50 Ohm and by the series LC circuit resistance when the LC circuit was at resonance. And the output current from the generator went down the moment the TX circuit was out of resonance. This is because at resonance the series LC circuit has way less resistance than 50 Ohm and at off resonance the low resistance becomes an increasing reactance beyond the 50 Ohm value, so the overall loading of the generator output reduces.

I gave examples how all this changes with the varying load the series LC circuit represents in my reply #1130 to Nick.
https://overunity.com/17491/confirmation-of-ou-devices-and-claims/msg536505/#msg536505
At resonance the TX circuit is almost a short circuit across the generator output (depending on its loaded Q), and at off resonance it behaves as a high impedance load drawing much less RF current from the output.

Now if you check the DC consumption of the frequency generator under these conditions, it should be known that its consumption consists of two circuits that has no much influence on each other:
1) it has its own relatively constant consumption for feeding the display and all the additional on-board circuitry
2) most of the measured change in consumption comes from the load change across the RF output due to the TX circuit as it is tuned to on and off resonance and how strongly or less strongly it shunts the 50 Ohm generator output resistance

So if you found as you wrote that there was no significant change in the input DC power draw of your generator at the on and off tuned cases, it was caused by the generator 50 Ohm internal resistance that ruined the original Q of the TX circuit and also limited the maximum RF output current possible to take out from the generator. This is why you measured only say 250 Vpp across the TX coil.
See a numerical example on this in my reply #1130 to Nick, how much actual output voltage amplitude remained as generator output voltage to feed the TX circuit, after the voltage division between the 50 Ohm and the resonant LC impedance develops.

In the case of the gate driver IC, it has a minimal, max a few mA DC current draw when its output pin is unloaded. And when you drive the same TX circuit by the gate driver it has only the 1 Ohm internal resistance instead of the 50 Ohm so the output RF current can be much higher due to the much better impedance match between the IC and the series LC circuit as I already also wrote. The impedance match goes together with the fact that a higher portion of the output RF voltage is available, this now manifests in the much higher RF voltage (1300 Vpp and higher) across the L or C components. In the frequency generator case a much smaller RF voltage remains for feeding the series LC circuit due to the voltage division between the 50 Ohm and the small LC circuit resistance at resonance.

Regarding the DC power consumption of the gate driver, it strongly depends on (quasi linearly) how the load increases or decreases across its output pin RF wise. You can easily check this by using some half watt rated metal film or carbon resistors with values like 4.7  10  22  33 and 50 Ohm values and hook them up (one at a time) in series with the TX circuit (insert them between say the TX coil and the IC output pin). And check how the RF voltage changes across the coil, how the initial kiloVolt amplitude goes down gradually as you insert the increasing resistor values one by one into the LC circuit.

Why I consider all this important? Because both you and a.king have often mentioned in your arguments the benefit of the gate driver that insures disruptive discharge with its fast switching capability hence energy gain is created in this way.

I hope what I wrote above clarifies there is no disruptive discharge and the high voltage manifests by the much better impedance match between the IC output and the resonant TX circuit (higher RF voltage and current will be available for driving the TX circuit) and this is why a stronger EM field is created around the TX coil.

You can check what RF voltage level remains directly across the output of your frequency generator when you hook up the TX circuit tuned to resonance and you can check what RF voltage level remains between the output pin and negative rail of the gate driver when you hook up the same TX circuit tuned also to the same resonance at the same RF frequency.

And what is even more important, this voltage gain (which is the ratio of the TX coil (or capacitor) voltage to the IC RF output voltage) is not energy gain. If you still claim this, I still disagree.  You can prove me wrong only one way and then I will readily acknowledge I was wrong.

Gyula 

PS  to all:  you need to log in for the links I included to match the reply # to the actual post,   
 For instance my first link should go to reply #1361 but if you do not log in, then the same post has reply #1364 
Such thing happens when a few posts get deleted from the threads and a software glitch or negligence does not renumber correctly the rest of the replies... 

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1493 on: July 22, 2019, 01:03:03 AM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1494 on: July 22, 2019, 02:49:09 AM »
Gyulasun,
1. Rate of change gains.
Thank you for your long reply. I understand the point you are trying to make, and have long understood that for years. The problem is that I have many frequency generators, junk, cheap, OK, good, and also high quality. They give different speeds as you mentioned. Different square waves. And rate of change differences actually translate to the results apart from any differences between 50 Ohm impedance. Again, Tesla first taught on this in 1891. In my motors there was a dramatic difference in the output with and without the gate driver while the input power was the same with or without. For example, faster battery charging. Or other loads. With the kit, if I use different frequency generators I will get different levels of output depending on how square the wave is. While I understand there are different parts and different efficiencies between these various FGs it still indicates the same thing. Now it doesn't matter to me if it was merely an impedance issue as that is very important. But it is still an impedance issue in a different way. In the sense of the rate of change affects the output dramatically. Obviously a sinewave changes it for the worse. Also triangle wave.

2. Oscillatory Energy gains.
The point is that all this was a non sequitur from you. You diverted from the point at hand. I understand you wanted to specifically challenge that and that is fine, but the main point everyone wants to know is if the input and output are in a linear relationship as you claim. And the fact is that there is no substantial difference between the input in or out of resonance where there is substantial difference (real amplification) in the output. While college books don't like to draw attention to that, it is well known.

The same thing is seen with a piano. Go place a damper on the center C while you strike it. You will get little result for your effort. Now remove the damper and strike again. Now you will hear it once. This represents the regular closed loop electrical circuit. You pay once and get one return. Now strike and hold down the C key and it will continue to oscillate beyond the single sound. This is free energy in relation to electrical systems. Now hold down the sustain pedal and all the dampers are removed. The C key you hit will vibrate as before and then all the other strings in harmony will vibrate. The sound board also vibrates in all these situations. Now we have much energy gain. Now with pianos with the 4th harmonic pedal we hold that down and strike the C key and it hits once and is dampened while all the other dampers are removed. Guess what? They vibrate as if the C string was un dampened. Just like two tuning forks would. Now do all that with a room filled with such pianos where all the dampers are lifted and imagine the effect? But as Tesla said, that is all nothing to compare with electrical resonance.

Whether or not people know how to benefit from the radiation, the fact is that radiation output is in proportion to the measured voltage increase, and the input remains substantially the same. In the meeting I powered 15 3W bulbs at 1/2W brightness with around 75 other coils with smaller bulbs. The 3W bulbs were brand new very common bulbs that hundreds of vendors are selling. It takes 6V just to turn them on, and 7.4V 1/2W to get them to be the same brightness. Just two of these takes you over the 0.72W input. But the object was not to end with that, but to show that I could continue to add more and more coils. We only had 10 of the big coils so I started using 4 more smaller coils and one ferrite rod for the 5 other bigger bulbs. With fine tuning many more coils in layers all around, Don Smith is proved true in that you can actually get the amount of energy proportional to the radiation. Few situations would make such an arrangement suitable, when you could just have one properly made L2. But this was the second thing Don did in his progression so I ended up making the kit the first thing he did, and started to use it to give indications of the second thing (Model 2).

The rate of change gains is not a new idea by me. It is easy to see in the motors, with charging and discharging capacitors, and also with resonance tank circuits. It remains for everyone to see for themselves. Many have reported seeing that, and many have simply denied that it would make a difference according to their theories.

But I am not dismissing all the other factors that you bring up.

Rick,
When you used the frequency generator to drive the series LC TX circuit, the 50 Ohm output impedance inherently limited the output current. This means that the maximum output current was defined by the generator output voltage amplitude, by the inherent 50 Ohm and by the series LC circuit resistance when the LC circuit was at resonance. And the output current from the generator went down the moment the TX circuit was out of resonance. This is because at resonance the series LC circuit has way less resistance than 50 Ohm and at off resonance the low resistance becomes an increasing reactance beyond the 50 Ohm value, so the overall loading of the generator output reduces.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1495 on: July 22, 2019, 03:33:24 AM »
Void  quote
 Ramset, if you feel that way then don't waste your time.
I only posted some video links and mentioned a few comments people have made.
I don't know what the exact situation is there.
end quote 
I apologize ,I have always lived by "no stone left unturned"  and you have been a diligent investigator here.I will make sure it gets handled the way you suggest.respectfully Chet K ps its stuck in bold type for some reason...not intentional

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1496 on: July 22, 2019, 04:08:10 AM »
I apologize, I have always lived by "no stone left unturned"  and you have been a diligent investigator here.
I will make sure it gets handled the way you suggest.
respectfully Chet K
ps its stuck in bold type for some reason...not intentional

Hi Chet. No worries! It is OK, I have sent him a message. I'll PM you if I get a response back from him or not.
All the best...

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1499 on: July 22, 2019, 07:29:59 AM »
Rick,
C'mon man this is a futile endless loop of accusations /counter accusations. You have been told not to waste peoples time with long sermons claiming OU, that you are not willing to support with at least a modicum of meaningful data. You are giving as good as you get in terms of ridicule, its a case of the 'pot calling the kettle black'. Folk are naturally going to react if they are preached to by anyone trying to lord over a forum thread.

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