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Author Topic: Confirmation of OU devices and claims  (Read 192344 times)

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #135 on: November 16, 2017, 10:54:23 PM »
A continuous output of 12 kW for ten minutes, eh? At 120 volts, that would require a current of 100 amps. I'd like to see the wiring and connectors of this machine, and the load bank used to demonstrate it.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #136 on: November 16, 2017, 10:59:16 PM »
Quote from: wattsup
...if you are smart about using leverage to your advantage this will bring you 1/2 to 3/4 of the way to OU.

Wattsie, today's "ordinary" COTS motors and generators are already 80 to 90 percent of the way to OU. If we combine that with a lever system that gets us 3/4 of the way to OU... we have 0.9 x 0.75 = 0.675 of the way to OU !! 

(Corrected misattribution, sorry about that  :-[   )
« Last Edit: November 17, 2017, 05:33:11 AM by TinselKoala »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #137 on: November 16, 2017, 11:19:22 PM »
Nice rotor Grum.  ;D

Tk, which post are you quoting me from?

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #137 on: November 16, 2017, 11:19:22 PM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #138 on: November 16, 2017, 11:22:19 PM »
A continuous output of 12 kW for ten minutes, eh? At 120 volts, that would require a current of 100 amps. I'd like to see the wiring and connectors of this machine, and the load bank used to demonstrate it.

Hi TK. I don't know where they got that 12 kW figure from, but from a picture of the large device
it appears it only had the generator on it that was used to charge up the cap bank which was
used to pulse the batteries. There was no mention of what if any load was connected during the
10 minute demonstration, and whether mechanical or electrical.

All the best...

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #139 on: November 17, 2017, 04:39:18 AM »

Quote from: Mags
<blockquote>...if you are smart about using leverage to your advantage this will bring you 1/2 to 3/4 of the way to OU.</blockquote>

Magsie, today's "ordinary" COTS motors and generators are already 80 to 90 percent of the way to OU. If we combine that with a lever system that gets us 3/4 of the way to OU... we have 0.9 x 0.75 = 0.675 of the way to OU !!



Again, which post are you quoting me from Alsetalokin??

This is how I will refer to you from here on in. ;)

Magsie ;)

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #140 on: November 17, 2017, 05:01:26 AM »


Again, which post are you quoting me from Alsetalokin??

This is how I will refer to you from here on in. ;)

Magsie ;)

Perhaps just a mix up between you and wattsup Mags

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #141 on: November 17, 2017, 05:06:41 AM »
The Rotor.   :)

That was fast Grum lol.

Now we have all the specs,there cant be any argument about it not being an exact replication.

Trying to find soft iron bolts is turning out to be a challenge.
Soft steel -no problem. Soft iron-big problem.
May have to make some from some soft iron rod.


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Offline Magluvin

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #142 on: November 17, 2017, 05:20:51 AM »
Perhaps just a mix up between you and wattsup Mags

Perhaps.

Perhaps Alsetalokin should do quotes like regular folk so others or the quotee can refer to it directly and not have to go back through 10 pages to see where it came from.

Perhaps if he had done so then he wouldnt have per happenstance had thought it was my words before posting

Perhaps he doesnt have to follow MileHigh in pm and refer to me a Magsie as MH calls me there all the time and just today again.

Perhaps it might seem odd that I would say such a quote when I have stated quite a few times in recent months that I am aware of motors and speakers and other things that are 90% eff and better to 100% eff.

Perhaps.

Mags

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #143 on: November 17, 2017, 05:33:02 AM »
Hi TK. I don't know where they got that 12 kW figure from, but from a picture of the large device
it appears it only had the generator on it that was used to charge up the cap bank which was
used to pulse the batteries. There was no mention of what if any load was connected during the
10 minute demonstration, and whether mechanical or electrical.

All the best...

Perhaps 12kv is much more believable figure than 12kw. 

It should be a lot easier to figure out how to get 12kv from the machine you see than 12kw. ;)

Set the whole bedini machine next to a 12kw motor or gen. What would you think then?

Mags

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #144 on: November 17, 2017, 05:38:52 AM »
Perhaps.

Perhaps Alsetalokin should do quotes like regular folk so others or the quotee can refer to it directly and not have to go back through 10 pages to see where it came from.

Perhaps if he had done so then he wouldnt have per happenstance had thought it was my words before posting

Perhaps he doesnt have to follow MileHigh in pm and refer to me a Magsie as MH calls me there all the time and just today again.

Perhaps it might seem odd that I would say such a quote when I have stated quite a few times in recent months that I am aware of motors and speakers and other things that are 90% eff and better to 100% eff.

Perhaps.

Mags

Sorreeeeeee. Yes, I got mixed up about who said what. Please accept my apologies. I corrected the offending post up above.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #145 on: November 17, 2017, 05:43:18 AM »
That was fast Grum lol.

Now we have all the specs,there cant be any argument about it not being an exact replication.

Trying to find soft iron bolts is turning out to be a challenge.
Soft steel -no problem. Soft iron-big problem.
May have to make some from some soft iron rod.


Brad

But what thread will you put on them? What head? What grip length, what threaded portion? Matching soft iron nuts, or what? Do you know the thread spec of Bedini's soft iron bolts?  There's a big difference between M6 and 3/8-16. Or hex head vs. socket-head capscrews. Etc.

Wrong thread or head = inexact replication. Therefore doomed to fail.

Right?

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #146 on: November 17, 2017, 05:44:58 AM »
Ok then.

But perhaps......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoYsfbq3vMc

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #147 on: November 17, 2017, 05:50:16 AM »
Perhaps 12kv is much more believable figure than 12kw. 

It should be a lot easier to figure out how to get 12kv from the machine you see than 12kw. ;)

Set the whole bedini machine next to a 12kw motor or gen. What would you think then?

Mags

Perhaps it is. But then it becomes much less remarkable, no? After all I can produce 12 kV with a device the size of a golf ball or even smaller. And a big heavy "energizer" machine with most of that in the flywheel weight should certainly have no problem making 12 kV for ten minutes without running down the batteries or even producing a noticeable decrease in flywheel speed. 

So does the remarkable claim for the Big Bedini just boil down to a typo, where some reporter mistakenly put 12 kW when actually should have put 12 kV?

I mean, people do make mistakes now and then, don't they Wa...er... Mags?


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #148 on: November 17, 2017, 05:52:03 AM »
But what thread will you put on them? What head? What grip length, what threaded portion? Matching soft iron nuts, or what? Do you know the thread spec of Bedini's soft iron bolts?  There's a big difference between M6 and 3/8-16. Or hex head vs. socket-head capscrews. Etc.

Wrong thread or head = inexact replication. Therefore doomed to fail.

Right?

Perhaps you should try a bunch of different ones and see if there is a difference.  ;)

Perhaps your post is just a knock on me and my thorough replication posts and there actually wouldnt be much if any noticeable differences that would matter. ;)

Whatever Al

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #149 on: November 17, 2017, 06:05:52 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4d8PHDG4yE

Seriously, the issue of how "exact" to get during a replication is a gnarly one. The persons skilled in the art should be able to tell what is truly important and what is not, or would be interested in finding out through experiment as you suggest. Soft iron bolts? Right there one becomes suspicious because a soft iron bolt is about as useful as spaghetti suspenders or a jello frisbee. But OK, we've all encountered less-than-Grade 3 crap that breaks or strips when you put any torque on it. And how could thread pitch possibly matter, one asks oneself. But you can bet your bippy that, should TinMan's or anyone else's "exact replication" fail to perform as claimed, someone from the Church of Bedini will claim that the replication wasn't exact enough. We've all seen this happen many times. Even though those claimants and complainants cannot do it themselves, they still think they can tell other people how to do it.


 

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