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Author Topic: Confirmation of OU devices and claims  (Read 243222 times)

Offline rickfriedrich

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1215 on: July 14, 2019, 03:33:32 AM »
T,
No reason to insult here. No one is forcing you to read. If you want details you can read them. If you want ambiguity then insist on few words.
Here is an example of ambiguity. When I said endlessly, I meant endless motors added. That is the context of what you said, replicate the output again and again. I was saying I showed that with several motors in a chain.
As for your school lesson with words, not all places in an OU system will show power measurements. The only place it will show it is when you are using a closed loop that destroys the source charge. So you can do that after a process when you are looping a regular load, but not all loads will show power measurements either. I don't know about your experience with OU, but it appears you may not agree with this. I don't really care about what the physics books say these days. I agree with Walter Lewin that all the college level text are wrong. So if you want to talk about higher level physics then that is fine. Here is some light reading for you to consider along those lines:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/9812779965/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i1

Why not endlessly, if it is truly OU?
Perhaps we have different definitions of terms. To me, OU (overunity) in this context means that a device, over a suitable time interval, produces more energy measured in Joules at its output, than it takes energy in Joules to run it at the input.
Joules out > Joules in, that is what I and I think most others would consider OU.

What say you to this, and please try to not turn it into another wall of text.

 We measure energy in Joules, we measure real power in Watts (Joules per Second), we measure reactive power in VARs, we measure current in Amperes and voltage in Volts. Or their powers of ten, like kilovolts, etc.
And energy is the ability to perform work, and work is force times distance, and so on, common engineering and physics definitions, no wordplay or "alternative facts".

Right? Can we agree on some common terms here?

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1215 on: July 14, 2019, 03:33:32 AM »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1216 on: July 14, 2019, 03:58:33 AM »
T,
You are a little presumptuous here. I have been engaged with many of these gentlemen  ;) here for about a month and have ongoing things we have been working out or otherwise. You just jumped in here and put up some video links expecting some response from me. I don't know you or how relevant your videos are. I have been busy with these guys and our talk. You are jumping in here expecting me to focus on it and frankly I have just not had the time yet. I barely watched the one and would need to carefully watch it again and think about what you are really wanting with all this. But by reacting this way it is not inviting. The other guys who posted videos have had the patience to let people get to them. There has been a flood of posts that have been more pressing that you jumping in here and say look over here.

As for what kind of OU, I have mentioned several. I will be doing a big presentation when I get the time for that which should help.

I appreciate the invitation and will get to it when I get some time. So rather than spending time to search for these video links again, I'll respond to your below point.

There isn't a lot of talk about J and W and are you trying to be insulting here?

As for the hypo, I guess it depends on if you are making a trick question. It appears you are looking for a setup or you are just telling me about some OU system.
Some of the statements are ambiguous. What is the load. You say compatible. That doesn't tell me if it has a low voltage cut off. If this is a trick question then I would say the battery half discharges because the load has a cut off voltage. This is compatible with the battery and: "run the load until the battery is so depleted that the load does not run any more at all". So then you connect the battery to a buckboost in the box and discharge the battery down all the way until it fully discharges. You never said the battery was fully discharged the first run, just till the load stops. So that is most likely what you are doing because no OU system would do this sort of thing. I mean, if you really depleted the battery all the way to zero then why would an OU system in the box run at first but not for good.

So it appears to be just a voltage drop situation with some kind of boost situation.

Do I win the prize?

I'm still trying to figure out what kind of OU we are talking about here. I've given three examples that I think are showing similar things to what you are talking about, but apparently you don't have time to look closely at what I presented or to think about it very much. Are they OU, by your definition, or not? I am not talking about proving anything, just take what is presented at face value (since anyone can replicate it and all necessary info is provided) and give a yes or no answer, and if "no" tell why not and why your system doesn't have the same issues.
And perhaps all this talk about Joules and Watts and other dead heads is too confusing for the unwashed masses. So consider this hypothetical:I have a battery and a load compatible with the battery. The battery starts out fully charged. I connect them, and run the load until the battery is so depleted that the load does not run any more at all.
Now I connect my black box in between the battery and the load. Voila! The load starts running again, and runs and runs and runs for a long time, maybe even longer than it ran the first time from the fully charged battery! But it does eventually stop.
No, there is no battery in my black box, just a few common electronic components, and of course it won't work at all without some kind of battery or capacitor connected to the input.
Is this OU, by your definition, or not? Please, no walls of text.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1217 on: July 14, 2019, 04:36:14 AM »
T,
No reason to insult here. No one is forcing you to read. If you want details you can read them. If you want ambiguity then insist on few words.
That is what I wanted when I asked you not to post Yet Another wall of text without actually answering a question.
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Here is an example of ambiguity. When I said endlessly, I meant endless motors added. That is the context of what you said, replicate the output again and again. I was saying I showed that with several motors in a chain.
And that is what I meant too. Why not endlessly? Why did you not simply go on connecting motor after motor, with a little bit of extra load at each stage? It is because your system does not actually output more energy in Joules than it takes to run it, stage by stage, and you will eventually reach a stage where an additional motor will not run. And this will be sooner rather than later.
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As for your school lesson with words, not all places in an OU system will show power measurements. The only place it will show it is when you are using a closed loop that destroys the source charge. So you can do that after a process when you are looping a regular load, but not all loads will show power measurements either.
Any system can have its input energy measured in Joules. Any system can have its output energy measured in Joules. This is true whether it is "self looped", Daisy chained, or just sitting there running itself. Your statement above makes no real sense. Do you even understand how to make proper power measurements? If so, this knowledge is not in evidence in your posts or videos.
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I don't know about your experience with OU, but it appears you may not agree with this. I don't really care about what the physics books say these days. I agree with Walter Lewin that all the college level text are wrong. So if you want to talk about higher level physics then that is fine. Here is some light reading for you to consider along those lines:https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/9812779965/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i1
And that pretty much says it all. No need to give answers to questions, no common definitions of what OU actually means, no need to do proper measurements of silly quantities like Joules and Watts,  some incoherent gobbledegook that someone with no electrical engineering experience might pretend to understand... and all those college level texts that trained the engineers who made your computer and more importantly who made the tools to make your computer -- all wrong. And you, on the other hand, are all right.







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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1217 on: July 14, 2019, 04:36:14 AM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1218 on: July 14, 2019, 04:44:47 AM »
T,
You are a little presumptuous here. I have been engaged with many of these gentlemen  ;) here for about a month and have ongoing things we have been working out or otherwise.
And all of those gentlemen know me and understand what I am saying and doing.
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You just jumped in here and put up some video links expecting some response from me. I don't know you or how relevant your videos are. I have been busy with these guys and our talk. You are jumping in here expecting me to focus on it and frankly I have just not had the time yet. I barely watched the one and would need to carefully watch it again and think about what you are really wanting with all this.
But you expect people to read your walls of text and watch your interminable videos, even though your rate of disseminating true information is very low. Obviously, your cup is so full that any additional info will overflow and be lost.
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But by reacting this way it is not inviting. The other guys who posted videos have had the patience to let people get to them. There has been a flood of posts that have been more pressing that you jumping in here and say look over here.
As for what kind of OU, I have mentioned several. I will be doing a big presentation when I get the time for that which should help.
But the "several" kinds of OU you have mentioned do not correspond to Joules in < Joules out, which is the only kind that actually matters.  And all I did with my videos is to ask you one question: OU, or not, according to YOUR definition. But you won't even do that much.
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I appreciate the invitation and will get to it when I get some time. So rather than spending time to search for these video links again, I'll respond to your below point.

There isn't a lot of talk about J and W and are you trying to be insulting here?
No, I am just trying to see if we speak the same language. I think the chances are slim, but I'm willing to give you an opportunity to prove me wrong.
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As for the hypo, I guess it depends on if you are making a trick question. It appears you are looking for a setup or you are just telling me about some OU system.
Some of the statements are ambiguous. What is the load. You say compatible. That doesn't tell me if it has a low voltage cut off. If this is a trick question then I would say the battery half discharges because the load has a cut off voltage. This is compatible with the battery and: "run the load until the battery is so depleted that the load does not run any more at all". So then you connect the battery to a buckboost in the box and discharge the battery down all the way until it fully discharges. You never said the battery was fully discharged the first run, just till the load stops. So that is most likely what you are doing because no OU system would do this sort of thing. I mean, if you really depleted the battery all the way to zero then why would an OU system in the box run at first but not for good.

So it appears to be just a voltage drop situation with some kind of boost situation.

Do I win the prize?
It seems to me that you have described rather exactly all of the "self sustaining" systems that you have ever offered.

 For example the Clarendon Dry Pile has been ringing its little bell since 1840 with few interruptions. But none of your self sustaining systems actually self sustain. They all eventually stop, and when the battery is examined it is found to be drained, so "something went wrong" even though the system is clearly OU. Right?

Please correct me if I am wrong and point me to a demonstration of one of your self sustaining systems that is still running continously after... well we don't need to do it for a hundred and seventy eight years. Just a couple of months should be enough.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1219 on: July 14, 2019, 04:53:17 AM »


Re the capabilities of the IXDD mosfet driver:
T,
I shared that already. One of my students has a video showing that with the kit a year ago.
Why, then, do you now bother with the Function Generator at all?

Let me check my records to see when I demonstrated this kind of self-resonant wireless power transmitter using e-field feedback, and lighting incandescent bulbs with the wirelessly received output.  Oh... has it been that long already? June of 2017. That's over two years ago.
And using EM feedback and a phase-locked loop to maintain locked in resonance ... that was way back in 2015. SO maybe your students are paying more attention than you are!

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1219 on: July 14, 2019, 04:53:17 AM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1220 on: July 14, 2019, 04:57:55 AM »
Hi Tinselkoala

Is this coming down to real power versus apparent power or is that not where you are going with these questions, just wondering thanks.
Not necessarily. It's part of it by necessity, but right now I am realizing that there actually aren't any good measurements of anything, nor any hard definitions of what RF considers OU,  so it's hard to know what's relevant and what's not.

Certainly how he brushes his teeth isn't relevant, unless he uses an OU toothbrush. (Charge the batteries in an electric toothbrush using an overunity battery charger.... ??)

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1221 on: July 14, 2019, 05:04:24 AM »
G,
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Power is not = to energy.(snip)
RIGHT !!
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Voltage is energy.(snip)
WRONG !!

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1221 on: July 14, 2019, 05:04:24 AM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1222 on: July 14, 2019, 05:08:06 AM »
Hi Tinselkoala

You just got me laughing thinking there might be mercury in his fillings and no Rick this is not a slight on you just a funny thought that came into my mind while reading these posts and I thought I would share.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1223 on: July 14, 2019, 05:19:06 AM »
T,
Now I see your deceit. Just another TROLL not even hiding your intentions. Well I'll give you a few responses then goodbye.
A moment ago you didn't even know what was going on on this thread. But suddenly you have it all figured out do you. Yeah, well everyone can see who you are.
You ask a question but you just want a short reply to use against people. That's your game.
Well when I showed the motors I used the ones I had. It was as simple as that. But I don't need motors as I did that with all the transformers and inductors in my shop once.
You don't know anything I do so why are you here Troll?
No, I can always put a battery on the back of the final motor and rotate them around as we have done for 15 years now. And that is the basic level.
I have a battery charger business so I know a little about power measurements.
Why don't you just go back to high school and play with basic electronics. Leave OU for the big boys.  ;D
Yes, all the college texts are wrong. Did I say everything about them is wrong? No. Most of the pages are true. I'm talking about a specific thing here.
Anyway, it is obvious you do not believe in OU so why would you be here?
Yeah I'm alright, just fine thank you. I don't think you are. Can you show us something useful or are you just filling up walls of text?

That is what I wanted when I asked you not to post Yet Another wall of text without actually answering a question.And that is what I meant too. Why not endlessly? Why did you not simply go on connecting motor after motor, with a little bit of extra load at each stage? It is because your system does not actually output more energy in Joules than it takes to run it, stage by stage, and you will eventually reach a stage where an additional motor will not run. And this will be sooner rather than later.Any system can have its input energy measured in Joules. Any system can have its output energy measured in Joules. This is true whether it is "self looped", Daisy chained, or just sitting there running itself. Your statement above makes no real sense. Do you even understand how to make proper power measurements? If so, this knowledge is not in evidence in your posts or videos.And that pretty much says it all. No need to give answers to questions, no common definitions of what OU actually means, no need to do proper measurements of silly quantities like Joules and Watts,  some incoherent gobbledegook that someone with no electrical engineering experience might pretend to understand... and all those college level texts that trained the engineers who made your computer and more importantly who made the tools to make your computer -- all wrong. And you, on the other hand, are all right.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1223 on: July 14, 2019, 05:19:06 AM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1224 on: July 14, 2019, 05:32:12 AM »
T,
No wonder they kicked you out of the other forum what are you but a parrot citing high school  chapter 1 basic electronics? So what are you the cleanup crew here when all else fails?

Not sure where you get your information from, but you are talking about someone else. You can make up anything you want, I doubt anyone is going to pay attention to you anymore. I think you were outed as Troll long ago. You made it a little too obvious. Next time milk out the introductions a little longer and someone might fall for your game.

Well, I'm actually 150 years old and have been running Cook's patent process all this time, from when I was a few years old. It's still going man. Come on over and check it out! You wouldn't even believe a solar panel would give you any gains. Probably wouldn't even bother to hook it up because you may not believe that they can give you free energy. Where's the Joules coming from T? Can you measure watts going into the panels? Must be a false claim.

Why would anyone tell you anything if you just vomit out your insults?

And all of those gentlemen know me and understand what I am saying and doing.But you expect people to read your walls of text and watch your interminable videos, even though your rate of disseminating true information is very low. Obviously, your cup is so full that any additional info will overflow and be lost.But the "several" kinds of OU you have mentioned do not correspond to Joules in < Joules out, which is the only kind that actually matters.  And all I did with my videos is to ask you one question: OU, or not, according to YOUR definition. But you won't even do that much.No, I am just trying to see if we speak the same language. I think the chances are slim, but I'm willing to give you an opportunity to prove me wrong. It seems to me that you have described rather exactly all of the "self sustaining" systems that you have ever offered.

 For example the Clarendon Dry Pile has been ringing its little bell since 1840 with few interruptions. But none of your self sustaining systems actually self sustain. They all eventually stop, and when the battery is examined it is found to be drained, so "something went wrong" even though the system is clearly OU. Right?

Please correct me if I am wrong and point me to a demonstration of one of your self sustaining systems that is still running continously after... well we don't need to do it for a hundred and seventy eight years. Just a couple of months should be enough.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1225 on: July 14, 2019, 05:32:50 AM »
And here we see just what you are. You cannot answer reasonable questions from me or from anyone else. You become insanely defensive when someone challenges you on your easily refutable claims and muddled definitions of words. You are living off of profits made from selling toys to gullible people. And if you really had the OU that you claim, things would be very different for you and for this world.
I don't care what you call me. Believe me, I've been called worse, by better men than you. What hasn't happened yet is for me to be proven wrong. And you sure aren't going to do it. Your systems cannot meet this simple, well accepted OU criterion: total Joules in < total Joules out.
Go ahead, PROVE ME WRONG! You won't, because you can't.

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« Reply #1225 on: July 14, 2019, 05:32:50 AM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1226 on: July 14, 2019, 05:35:29 AM »
T,
No wonder they kicked you out of the other forum what are you but a parrot citing high school  chapter 1 basic electronics? So what are you the cleanup crew here when all else fails?
The only forum I have ever been "kicked out" from is Aaron's Energetic Forum, where I was kicked out for being RIGHT about Rosemary Ainsley.  And the electronics I cite actually works and does what it says on the tin. Yours? Not so much.

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Not sure where you get your information from, but you are talking about someone else. You can make up anything you want, I doubt anyone is going to pay attention to you anymore. I think you were outed as Troll long ago. You made it a little too obvious. Next time milk out the introductions a little longer and someone might fall for your game.

Well, I'm actually 150 years old and have been running Cook's patent process all this time, from when I was a few years old. It's still going man. Come on over and check it out! You wouldn't even believe a solar panel would give you any gains. Probably wouldn't even bother to hook it up because you may not believe that they can give you free energy. Where's the Joules coming from T? Can you measure watts going into the panels? Must be a false claim.

Why would anyone tell you anything if you just vomit out your insults?
Hah hah very funny. NOT. You cannot refute me, so you resort to this kind of childish ranting.



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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1227 on: July 14, 2019, 05:37:42 AM »
T,
No wonder they kicked you out of the other forum what are you but a parrot citing high school  chapter 1 basic electronics? So what are you the cleanup crew here when all else fails?

Not sure where you get your information from, but you are talking about someone else. You can make up anything you want, I doubt anyone is going to pay attention to you anymore. I think you were outed as Troll long ago. You made it a little too obvious. Next time milk out the introductions a little longer and someone might fall for your game.

Well, I'm actually 150 years old and have been running Cook's patent process all this time, from when I was a few years old. It's still going man. Come on over and check it out! You wouldn't even believe a solar panel would give you any gains. Probably wouldn't even bother to hook it up because you may not believe that they can give you free energy. Where's the Joules coming from T? Can you measure watts going into the panels? Must be a false claim.

Why would anyone tell you anything if you just vomit out your insults?
You might not be able to measure a solar panel's input and output energy, but I certainly can. And no, a solar panel is not free energy, in fact they aren't even very efficient yet.  Keep digging, there's plenty of room at the bottom.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1228 on: July 14, 2019, 05:43:09 AM »
I personally don't. I made a kit to help people learn resonance and the basics. FG is optional.

Wow, you are old man! Shall we call you Master T? I actually made that kit around that month of that year. Must have learned it from you. That's it. Didn't you invent it? Well I'm glad you can add, I was beginning to wonder if you had advanced that far  :o Yep, 2017 plus 2018 is one year and 2019 would be 2 years.
phase-locked loop is public knowledge at least 30 years ago. I'm glad you recently learned about it. Seriously it is good to use.
Yep leaning from my students every day. Maybe I could learn from you? Learn what not to do.
So are you boasting that you have figured something out or are you just mocking any OU system? Your game is so off I'm not sure if you even know the right script you were given for this thread as it appears you mixing up two of them. You should go back and get better instructions because it is not going very well for you at this point.


Re the capabilities of the IXDD mosfet driver:Why, then, do you now bother with the Function Generator at all?
Let me check my records to see when I demonstrated this kind of self-resonant wireless power transmitter using e-field feedback, and lighting incandescent bulbs with the wirelessly received output.  Oh... has it been that long already? June of 2017. That's over two years ago.
And using EM feedback and a phase-locked loop to maintain locked in resonance ... that was way back in 2015. SO maybe your students are paying more attention than you are!

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1229 on: July 14, 2019, 05:48:24 AM »
T,
Now I see your deceit. Just another TROLL not even hiding your intentions. Well I'll give you a few responses then goodbye.
A moment ago you didn't even know what was going on on this thread. But suddenly you have it all figured out do you. Yeah, well everyone can see who you are.
You ask a question but you just want a short reply to use against people. That's your game.
Well when I showed the motors I used the ones I had. It was as simple as that. But I don't need motors as I did that with all the transformers and inductors in my shop once.
You don't know anything I do so why are you here Troll?
No, I can always put a battery on the back of the final motor and rotate them around as we have done for 15 years now. And that is the basic level.
I have a battery charger business so I know a little about power measurements.
Why don't you just go back to high school and play with basic electronics. Leave OU for the big boys.  ;D
Yes, all the college texts are wrong. Did I say everything about them is wrong? No. Most of the pages are true. I'm talking about a specific thing here.
Anyway, it is obvious you do not believe in OU so why would you be here?
Yeah I'm alright, just fine thank you. I don't think you are. Can you show us something useful or are you just filling up walls of text?
You have no self-sustaining systems, just as I have said. You can play battery merry-go-round long enough for the rubes to lose interest but your batteries will all eventually die and die hard. And you even know this is true!
You want to talk about deceit? Point out anything in my work that is deceitful, and tell what the truth is. And we will do the same for you. For example, your system is not OU at all, in fact it isn't even very efficient at transferring power, and everybody who has built and tested it knows this is true.
You clearly do not know anything about me or my beliefs. What I believe in is the TRUTH, and when I see people who lie and make claims they cannot support with facts, outside references and demonstrations of their own, especially in a field that I am familiar with,  I am motivated to say something about it. Suddenly figured it out? You literally make me laugh out loud.

Suffice it to say that your demonstrations and your kits and your battery charger merrygorounds are not sufficient to support your claims of OU, and your avoidance of discussing definitions and terms and quantities -- not to mention the freshman errors -- lead me to conclude that you actually don't know what the flmp you are talking about, AND/OR you really do have such contempt for your audience that you expect them to believe in invisible pink unicorns without even showing them a picture.


 

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