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Offline partzman

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1050 on: July 09, 2019, 03:15:00 PM »
RF,

For the record, Itsu is one of the best replicators on this forum and although I have not met him face-to-face, I can vouch for his honesty, knowledge, and integrity based on the work we have done together on my various projects alone.  He will go the the nth degree in his efforts to prove or disprove circuit claims at his own time and expense.  I'm sure you can see the amount of effort and work he has invested in his attempts to prove your claims.  IMO, he deserves your respect!

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1050 on: July 09, 2019, 03:15:00 PM »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1051 on: July 09, 2019, 03:20:01 PM »
When you think about, people do not want the attention drawn to them in having a free energy device. Initially you are excited about it and maybe want to tell others about it. But then you will invite negative attention. In many places the problem is securing it. Many people want to steel it. Some just because they want to see such a thing. Others because they want free power. Not everyone wants the hassle of people pestering them about it. When I had my body wrap on my electric Porsche there was not one time that I parked it without someone walking over to me to ask about it. People even searched for me in restaurants to find the owner of that car to talk to me about it. That was fine as it was my work. But that is not fine for others.
As I said before, as G echoed, people just put a few panels on their roof and no one cares after that. Yes it is sad that it takes doing that for people to leave you alone. But people are suspicious and like to assume the worst. What is that guy really doing there if no wires are going to his house? It would be like this. When the power would go out permanently in some place and everything is chaos, then what do you think would happen to the people who everyone knew they had a free energy device?
The truth is that the world doesn't like fast changes. The establishment does not want to be exposed suddenly as liars. They will only allow such things slowly over time so they still retain the control. Soon power usage will all be controlled through the internet of things so having free energy will not be an issue anyway. Most of the first world will be in smart cities and dependent upon and locked into that system and the new currency will be total information control rather than based upon oil.

I'm still in the process of organizing everything on a new website. I had to attend to another matter so the next video and all this has been on hold. But I will try and organize everything that is important on two letter size pages. You will all be very happy for that  :D

Hi gyulasun

Thanks for the reply, it does seem a sad state of affairs if hiding it would be the answer to such a wonderful thing for humanity as Tesla said todays is theirs and the future for which he worked would be his but I don't know if it will be in my lifetime. Anyway I think I am off topic and will say no more on the philosophy and leave the thread to those doing this great work. I tell you I haven't been to this site so much as when this thread started I love it and I do plan to get expirementing on this but I will need to start further back in Rick's teachings to get up to speed.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1052 on: July 09, 2019, 03:44:57 PM »
Itsu,
Short is fine, but is no virtue. You are claiming to be a replicator but you are not replicating anything here. You are doing your own thing. You are not replicating an OU claim because you are not making an OU claim. This was brought up the other day. What is the meaning of your work here? You have said you do not read what I write nor have you attempted to replicate what I have done. You guys pretend to do that but then admit to not doing that. This is all a big game. Now it is fine to experiment and try things out, but that is not the purpose of this thread is it?
You find it amazing that anyone would doubt you. Why? Are you infallible? Can any of us verify in the real world anything that you are doing? Why should we believe anything you do? You are not making an OU claim. You are making many claims, and because they are not OU claims we are supposed to believe them??? Now that is truly amazing. I saw this right from the beginning and that is why I said to A.King that you are wasting your time with Itsu. He has been at this for years and has not got anywhere because he doesn't know what he is doing. This is all but going around and around in circles. Same old assumptions. And now these guys, along with you, have made you the infallible replicator of no one's claims but your own. This is reckless.
But do not misunderstand me. It is perfectly fine to do what you have been doing in trying things out and posting videos. My objection is with your assumptions about what is implied by such videos. You expect others to believe that you know what you are doing and that they can understand your real-world environment. The only value of your input is merely for others to be able to do something to show themselves. You wish to bypass the real world and expect people to conclude prematurely. So this whole thing is a big game.
You say that anyone can make a mistake, but then take that back in saying videos can not allow for mistakes. But how so? I have watched thousands of videos that don't show the real mistakes that the videos don't show. And why would anyone be expected to trust someone in our day?
Yes it is fine to discuss things that appear to be wrong or mistaken. All agreed there. But to assume that a video proves anything is wrong. It can only give ideas to personally try. Why do you all just want to bypass reality?

Are you all so addicted to science fiction movies that you assume what is on the screen is reality? ???


Rick,

so many words again.

What the hell do you try to say with: "You are not replicating an OU claim because you are not making an OU claim"

Its these kind of sentences which makes my head spin and stop reading.

Anyway, i am here because a.king21 was very enthusiastic about your work and asked me (among others no doubt)
to start looking into this.

We PMed for a while, then jumped over to this thread.

I am trying to replicate what he presented to me, and as i am no Electronics Expert i usually then present my
findings on a forum like this via posts and video's to have other more knowledgeable people have a look at it
and correct and/or advice me when needed.

The video's are hopefully crisp and clear and for anyone open to ask questions to follow up.
I never "claim" things, i just show what is happening and try to find out why, no more, no less.

Thats the way i work for years and i like it and i don't care if you understand or approve.

Regards Itsu

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1052 on: July 09, 2019, 03:44:57 PM »
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Offline rickfriedrich

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1053 on: July 09, 2019, 03:58:06 PM »
P,
I understand what you are trying to say here. But you guys don't wish to address something far more important. I am not saying there is anything wrong with exchanging information back and forth, but so long as people are assuming that something has been proven over the internet then you are all lost at that point. Notice again your point. You vouch for his honesty. Well who vouches for yours? Having 10,000 people say that makes no difference. It still doesn't prove anything over the internet. Why is that so difficult to see??? You guys have been so glued to these forums for so long that you cannot even see what is so obvious here. The more you engage in assumptions the harder it is to see them as that. So you then set up Itsu as an authority. But why? Because you have seen him help you out on a few things. That gives him credibility to you personally. But surely you don't expect others just to assume that? And surely you don't assume he cannot make a mistake? The truth is that you merely benefit from him to the point that you can replicate what he has done. And that is my whole point. It only goes that far. You guys want to make it more than that. You are all looking for a way to make a forum prove something that everyone should believe. But that can never happen. We have done that sort of thing long ago. It is getting old now. It is merely a fantasy. It cannot happen. Because you will always have the realist come in and say as I do: "says who?" Even Hollywood leaves you with the same problem for spiderman who is going to have to try and convinced his fantasy world how a video was faked. You can't rely on videos to prove anything. You can't rely on testimony through this medium. You should only encourage people to prove things out to themselves. But you guys are setting the stage for more fake OU claims to be believed, and real OU claims to be disbelieved. Both are counterproductive. Some of you guys are disinfo people doing this on purposes. Others are just fooled by this game and not thinking about this. But at least I have forced them to partially admit that anyone could be wrong. Now if they will only really admit that to be the case and not take it back in the next sentence.

P, he is not actually replicating anything I am doing because he said he has not even read what I wrote. So he is doing his own thing based upon no OU claim. He is not seeking "Confirmation of OU devices and claims" in this activity. That is in regards to a particular setup. But in regards to a general claim he may be attempting to do something. But again, he would have to work from the right context. And he shows no interest to understand the right context. The videos show that this is entirely new to him. So you guys are expected far too much from him. Again, if he has been at this for years without success, then doesn't that mean anything to you? I guess I don't understand how someone can spend all that time for years and never have anything to is more than mainstream processes. Why not just do something very simple as I have been saying? Why doesn't G and others show why they believe OU is possible? Surely there is some justifiable reason you guys are all here??? Or do you all just like to chat? Or are you all just here to disprove OU? What is the reason you all think OU is possible? Or how can you justify your time spent here doing this? If the laws are fixed as so many things said here imply, then why even bother? But if you can just do a simple thing to see some gain then you can build upon that. Yet if something is suggested it is ignored or disbelieved with fallacy. And no one wishes to offer up any rational reason why we have any grounds for believing in OU. Isn't that amazing on a forum such as OU? Has it therefore just become a place for hackers to disprove OU?

So why does Itsu do what he has done for so many years when he never has had success in experiencing OU? What is the basis for continuing? I would really like to know what grounds he has for expecting to find something. If there are no reasons, that is fine, but we ought to know that before we make him Pope in the infallible sense. Did any of you ever think to ask this?
And the same with G. Don't you think that it would be most instructive if we learned the reason for his one sentence of expecting to find some circuit give additional gains? These revelations would be far more important than anything he has yet written. But he refuses to say a word about it. If he says there are no actual reasons then he will look foolish, especially to the mainstream skeptics. If he actually has some grounds for that sentence then withholding that information is needlessly unproductive considering all the hostilities about this. Why not just come out of the closet G? Tell us one way or the other. Maybe you don't because you want others to do the work for you? I don't know.

But all of you need to ask yourself this question. What is my reason for being here and basis for considering such claims? If you have any foundation for rational belief in OU then why have you not stated it? Why not build upon that foundation? Why keep silent. If you do not have any, then state that. Come clean. Tell us that you have no reason at this point to believe it. That would be helpful. But no, we just all jump right in ignoring all foundations and get crazed about some schematic or circuit that is supposed make someone a sensation or a liar based upon popular opinion!
RF,

For the record, Itsu is one of the best replicators on this forum and although I have not met him face-to-face, I can vouch for his honesty, knowledge, and integrity based on the work we have done together on my various projects alone.  He will go the the nth degree in his efforts to prove or disprove circuit claims at his own time and expense.  I'm sure you can see the amount of effort and work he has invested in his attempts to prove your claims.  IMO, he deserves your respect!

Regards,
Pm

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1054 on: July 09, 2019, 04:27:39 PM »
What is my reason for being here and basis for considering such claims?

"Occam's razor!"

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1054 on: July 09, 2019, 04:27:39 PM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1055 on: July 09, 2019, 04:40:07 PM »
Mr.Friedrich, Science and combined with Fiction is ever fine !  ;)
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1056 on: July 09, 2019, 04:49:07 PM »
Itsu,
I understand the context of what you did. A.King initially believed that you could replicate something. So you were merely trying to replicate what he was saying to you. That was all muddled because what was being replicated changed and wasn't clear. That is my point. It wasn't my kit that was being replicated but something else. It was A.King's claim, not my claim. It was a claim about my work, and also claims about what he did. But his claims were vague and not satisfactory to any of you. I discouraged him from doing that. But once it was in full swing I thought I would at least try and reset this whole thing while driving the points home with a sensational picture and video that proved my points. So here are some other points relating to you:

1. You have never tried to replicate my specific OU claims (and that is fine by me).
2. You have attempted to do something similar to A.King's claims (but not actual replications).
3. You have never attempted to understand any of my OU claims (again which is fine).
4. You agree with many or all of your friends that every video you post contains visuals that they can make absolute claims about.

This brings me to my somewhat ambiguous sentence you quote outside of the context. Yes that is ambiguous but is not typical in what I have shared. My point is that when I posted the picture and later video then the shift was away from A.King's initial claims to my claims. This was stated by several people and implied in just about everyone's postings. Even your postings took on a new direction soon after that as others are guiding you to do certain things resembling what I claimed and showed. But my point is that you stated with great irritation (as repeated here) that you never bothered to read anything I wrote merely because it was long. So my point is that you personally are not actually replicating any OU claim here. You are not really replicating any OU claim of A.King in these recently videos, nor can you replicate any of my OU claims when you don't even know what they are. You are merely doing your own thing. And that is fine to do. But these guys are acting like you are trying to replicate what I am doing. You are not making an OU claim yourself, and since you are doing your own thing, the question was asked by another in a way that lead me to ask the other day, what is the purpose here of your experiments? It is fine to share information on the internet, but this thread is about replicating OU claims. And since you are not making any OU claims, and not replicating any OU claims, I asked what is the meaning of your work here specifically?

What you say here would be fine if it was true:
"I never "claim" things, i just show what is happening and try to find out why, no more, no less."
That would be great. But you did make many claims with each video as you told us the details (which were claims about what you said happen in the context of things). Every detail was a claim that such and such actually happened. Each one of those claims was shared as if in a tightly controlled environment that ever reader was supposed to be fully aware of. And the massive claim was given in your previous email I responded to where you wrote that the videos speak for themselves in a way that we should be able to conclude things from them. That is the biggest claim of all. Why do you make such a claim. You say you make no claims, but you do in all these matters. But the biggest is that people should believe videos as you write: "thats where the video's are for so anyone can see what is being done." This is a big claim you don't realize. A video shows superficially what is being done. But there is no way to actually know what really is being done. I understand what you were trying to say, that we post a video and people can help each other out and correct each other, etc. But that is not what is happening with your videos. People are making conclusions based upon your videos which are claims. They are assuming they know exactly what is happening in them. And this sort of thing has been happening for years creating so much confusion on forums.

If you go back to my second posting on this thread I believe, I said that someone jesting that my picture showing the powering of many coils was as good as the wires under the table. Consider that assumption. The picture and video was disbelieved because it went against someone's assumptions and experience. But if you posted a picture or video it is believed automatically. Not because any of these people really know you at all or have every been there with you to verify anything. It is because what you show is what they want to see. So they choose to believe your conclusions and reject others that they do not want to believe. None of them should be believed anyway, and I am just pointing that out.

So if you really were just doing this without any claims that would be fine. But you are making claims all the time. Claims given without the complete picture which is impossible to convey over the internet. You can you really prove your entire environmental conditions? Can you really prove every relationship? All you can do is give ideas for people to try. That's it. Anything more assumed is encouraging credulity.

Rick wrote:
"Itsu,
Short is fine, but is no virtue. You are claiming to be a replicator but you are not replicating anything here. You are doing your own thing. You are not replicating an OU claim because you are not making an OU claim. This was brought up the other day. What is the meaning of your work here? You have said you do not read what I write nor have you attempted to replicate what I have done"

Rick,
so many words again.
What the hell do you try to say with: "You are not replicating an OU claim because you are not making an OU claim"
Its these kind of sentences which makes my head spin and stop reading.
Anyway, i am here because a.king21 was very enthusiastic about your work and asked me (among others no doubt) to start looking into this. We PMed for a while, then jumped over to this thread.

I am trying to replicate what he presented to me, and as i am no Electronics Expert i usually then present my findings on a forum like this via posts and video's to have other more knowledgeable people have a look at it and correct and/or advice me when needed.

The video's are hopefully crisp and clear and for anyone open to ask questions to follow up.
I never "claim" things, i just show what is happening and try to find out why, no more, no less.

Thats the way i work for years and i like it and i don't care if you understand or approve.

Regards Itsu

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1057 on: July 09, 2019, 05:41:38 PM »
   Well Rick, I looks like anyone trying to replicate any of your claims is going to get slammed by your criticisms.  Not good.
   Keep your sermons to yourself. Provide an accurate schematic, with all the proper information. Then we can do something about it. Otherwise, you are going to lose everyone here.    Are you afraid to actually make a video for us, showing exactly what needs to be done, with scope shots and readings??? As that is what it looks like, at least to me. Otherwise any small solar panel can do more that what you are showing. Which is not a self runner, and possibly not OU, either. So, maybe it's time YOU put up, or shut up.
   PS. itsu's observations on what he sees happening are not CLAIMS. They are OBSERVATIONS. You are the only one making claims, and not showing PROOF, by measurements and readings. Only sermons and excuses for not doing so.
   

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1058 on: July 09, 2019, 05:44:43 PM »
It circulates a rumor at this thread that Rick's experiment produces more output power then needed for input.
Or have I totally misunderstood this?
Someone tell me.
Do you know anything about that Rick?
If so, how does the extra energy occurs?

Last time I asked a similar question about what and how the extra energy occurs  [the Figuera generator that time] to member Marthonman he told that he had  the ability  to search for me and shoot me.    He is banned  now.

It shouldn't take more space / rows than the extra  long posts we often can see here  to describe what causes this extra incoming effect/ power supply and how to place and dimension coils and use the Coil repeating/ amplifying? effect if any, ETC, ETC.

Regards Arne

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1059 on: July 09, 2019, 06:02:26 PM »
That is actually a lie. Here is the most obvious example from Benitez:
"That is to say the original conditions being thus reestablished at every turn of the cylinder 38, the same phenomena will be produced indefinitely, as many times as the revolutions of the said cylinder are repeated, without having recourse to any exterior aid." I have shown others starting with Cook's 1870's patent. It is true that in more recent times it is hard to make such claims. But they are there if you understand and are familiar with the art. There are many OU kind of claims that are not specifically about electrical energy generation like Benitez here. They can be found in optics, communications, and other forms of energy generation. Nevertheless they are exactly like Benitez statement. So you don't know what you are talking about again.

Of course there are a lot of things that indicate OU. MANY THINGS. And that has been my point that people don't want to talk about. Everyone is looking for a simple thing in one sentence that does everything. You guys want the output without wanting to know these processes. You want to say OU is possible and then neglect or deny the very processes that make it possible. I will be getting into that in my presentation shortly.

You act like this is all just some deceitful scam to carefully word things so that people will get a false impression. The truth is that the patent office is all about making money and preventing perpetual motion claims. Nevertheless, if people quote sufficient authorities and demonstrate their claims, then they often get patents. You just have to aware of them and understand the words. I spend a lot of time in patent research and I can see you don't.

You are right that people read into things. But I have no reason to believe that you know what you are reading. You have done the same thing my friend, that you accuse others.

As for Tesla, you also don't know what he was doing. Tesla wasn't interested in giving free energy to the individual. He was part of the establishment and was working at the industrial level. Even though that was the norm, he still gave us the 1901 Radiant patent. So even that proves you wrong. Do you see a mains hook up there?

I can't speak for Searl. And Newman was crazy indeed. But he did what so many other inventors did, he tried to get as much money as he could in the big deal. He should have just did what I did. Get out the systems in an affordable way to 10s of thousands of people all around the world. But the goal was to make money with such people, and there was no wisdom in what they did if they really were trying to help people.

You address the impractical nature of some of these systems. And that is an important point. Just because they can do something that gives higher gain, doesn't mean that it is justified when it is too big, expensive, or unsafe. Neman and Bedini rejected my coil arrangement on my window motor because they were set in their ways. But it didn't give any lesser results and was far more practical. They didn't understand how to go beyond prototype level engineering.

It is true that people see what they want to see, just as you are doing here. But you fail to understand why many of those patents are on those websites because you fail to consider the specific processes in those patents that are essential to OU production. A patent doesn't have to have an overt OU claim to make it useful for us here. You have made big mistake in your assumptions and claims here.

As for the next paragraph it is completely nonsense. Perhaps you are just attempting to get the casual reader to come to a prejudgment with such comments. And that will work for the superficial reader. You evidence this yourself in reference to mentioning me with "Self sustaining" words. I used that very specifically in quoting from Benitez patent. Tell me then, what does the quote and many others within those long patents really mean then? You would have us believe that any amount of words would never be enough to claim OU. Nice diversion attempt here! If we apply the same rules to your own words then they become meaningless. And we are justified in making them say just the opposite. But we are not in elementary school are we???

No one is claiming perpetual motion with a Benitez setup, as parts can and do wear out. Parts are a big consideration for me. But they are minimal cost. OU does not mean infinite perpetual motion. So your post here is just a whole lot of hype. Endlessoceans of nonsense once again. There are only a few true points you mention here. I suggest you open a dictionary before you use words next time.

Stories of cold energy are true. Your denials don't change that and they don't help anyone here because you have offered no reason to think otherwise. More wasted space. Why don't you give us a demonstration to explain what is really happening rather than just saying so.

Actually, you assume wrong. My batteries are getting better over time. Thousands of customers all around the world report that also.

No, I don't attempt to prove anything over the internet. You just assume that. I have always warned people against that. I make claims which is fine to do. We all make claims. But if you actually watch any of my videos I am doing them for my customers or showing people how to do things themselves. I don't try and prove a point, but rather make a point so that people can prove it to themselves. Why is that so hard for you guys to understand the difference?

As for your assumptions that I have not shown what you mentioned about 3 batteries, I have done that in video, but more importantly I have demonstrated that at many of my meetings for two full days straight (which were about 12 hours each). Some times people even stayed in the room all night as we worked without sleep (which usually happens). Anyway, batteries are old news. People have already proven that out years ago. But I can't help you if you were not there in the real world. Or if you want a video of such when I have already done that.

All you can do here is make denials. What is the point? Does a denial contribute anything? The fact that I showed in Bedini's own words that he lied gives me credibility. It was expected of me. It was important that people learned this so that they would be less likely to waste their time, money and faith on several of his destructive processes.

No, that guys didn't say that about Don. They said that it powered the bulbs when it shouldn't have.

You may not be an agent but you are doing exactly what one would do here. You fill this forum with useless diversions which then just misleads people. You provide no support for anything you say here, so it is worse than useless. I respond to every point here.

Did I hang a carrot stick out to anyone when I showed the world how to convert billions of fans to produce free energy 14 years ago? When I made the monopole rider lawnmower that drove through a parade in 2007 was that a carrot stick? These were easy things to do with the basic circuit. When I did the same with window motor on the same lawnmower and drove around 400 people over three days, was that what you say? The next year, when I dropped that motor into a 26' boat and gave rides was that more of that? When people demanded kits and I provided them did they complain that it was just carrots? When I made chargers that recovered useless batteries all around the world, and thus solved the biggest problem in conventional alternative energy, was that useless? You don't know what you are talking about. I have done what I could with no money and very little help from anyone. I'm nobody special so what goes in is what comes out. Obviously things could have been better if I was someone else. But I am satisfied with my work over the years. And because of this work, this is why you attack me so intensely. You have a dark agenda here.

As for your last paragraph, I have the right to share what I want to. No one said you had to listen to. If you don't want it then move along. Did I force you? I have shared my testimony to give the reason for why I am doing what I am. I have also made a simple spiritual analogy about a closed circuit being like a selfish person and an open circuit being like a loving given person. That is hardly offensive or selfish. On the other hand, what you have done is lied about many things here and deliberately twisted everything. Naturally you are offended with the spiritual content as well. But my point is that unless we become honest then we can't even do basic science. So the biggest problem is overcoming prejudice, which you represent or illustrate here more than anyone I have seen yet. Unless people can overcome their assumptions then they will forever be mistaken and never arrive at anything important.

Anyway, grow up and do something constructive for once.

Just depends what you think they were lying about.  You see.....and listen carefully here.....if you read their patents VERY carefully (and they were very well worded!!) there is NOTHING in them that indicates OU.  NOTHING

But people love to read into things especially when the mind feverishly wishes for a dream.  Tesla talked about millions of horsepower and power generated but after all those years he was still hooked to the grid.  For ALL his experiments he was hooked to mains town supply. 

As far as the other inventors go, many were working with exotic materials such a radium or other isotopes.  Searl is an old buffoon who tried all sorts of magnetic motors and told fanciful stories of his one working motor which lost gravity and shot intp the atmosphere never to be seen again  LOOOOL   ::) ::) ::) ::).   He should go to prison for that nonsense.  Newman still worked with big batteries and took thousand's of dollars in investors money  Also jail worthy.  Moray was a true scientist but also worked with exotic materials and never disclosed the contents of his tube.  Many other inventors are often associated with OU sites but the fact is their patents did not state OU.  People see what they want to see


SOME of those patents had Terms such as "self sustaining" that Rick Friedrich grabs onto...….but that does not mean OU.  Self sustaining …….for how long???  Huh.  A flashlight is self sustaining.  A rechargeable power tool that does not need to be plugged into the wall is self sustaining but for how long?  By the true definition of the term....a vehicle is self sustaining because you can fill the tank and drive 400 mile...…    None of those patents said or even alluded to INFINITE self sustaining.   Yes...energy is never destroyed but it is converted into heat and light and all sort and that conversion costs you something.   


These stories about coils cooling to freezing and cold lightbulbs are nonsense.  Even large halogen loads which you run off a tesla hairpin that you can dunk into water without getting electrocuted are scalding hot on the glass....why?? because there is resistance at the filament in order to generate heat and light.


Tesla was a brilliant man and his patents on one wire transmission were cutting edge.   Rick....

You have pretty big capacity batteries with lEDS that hooked a certain way can run for days.    Your batteries are a still dropping down after all that cycling.  I find it amusing that on one hand you say that NOTHING can be proven on the internet and yet that's the very thing you attempt to do.   BTW saying that nothing can be proven on the internet is rubbish.  You sit there and conduct some very good demonstrations (yes that's a compliment) and draw some accurate conclusions and yet on the other hand when somebody asks you to take all these little black boxes and show 3 batteries being charged for the price of one or a output looped back to the source you come up with the laughable "Im sorry but nothing can be proven on the internet and btw this circuit is not perfectly tuned.   ::) ::) ::) ::).  "back in my last seminar I showed it running perpetually blah blah blah and thousands have OU!!.  You yourself said Bedini was a liar and misled people and yet you are no different. 

You know what...Don Smith said exactly the same thing over and over and yet the few guys that took a measurement to his device always showed it as slowly running down.

You may think I am angry or a paid shill (which is laughable) but I am not the one making massive claims and keeping people on the carrot stick for how many decades now??

Oh and btw....mixing what the Bible says with your kit selling is just plain mentally ill.  Are you trying to run a church or sell a charger?  Jesus himself threw out the money changers from the temple because the things of the flesh have nothing to do with the things of the spirit.  So if you want to start a church then go do that but please read the Bible first before prostituting it.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1060 on: July 09, 2019, 06:06:12 PM »
Hardly, I have shared everything you need to know for you to do these things yourself. If I was trying to sell you guys something I would have at least put my website up once or every post. Just because I sell products, does that disqualify me from talking to people who are evaluating one of my kits which I do not make any money from? This is no Occam's razor.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1060 on: July 09, 2019, 06:06:12 PM »
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« Reply #1061 on: July 09, 2019, 06:10:22 PM »
P,
I understand what you are trying to say here. But you guys don't wish to address something far more important. I am not saying there is anything wrong with exchanging information back and forth, but so long as people are assuming that something has been proven over the internet then you are all lost at that point. Notice again your point. You vouch for his honesty. Well who vouches for yours? Having 10,000 people say that makes no difference. It still doesn't prove anything over the internet. Why is that so difficult to see??? You guys have been so glued to these forums for so long that you cannot even see what is so obvious here. The more you engage in assumptions the harder it is to see them as that. So you then set up Itsu as an authority. But why? Because you have seen him help you out on a few things. That gives him credibility to you personally. But surely you don't expect others just to assume that? And surely you don't assume he cannot make a mistake? The truth is that you merely benefit from him to the point that you can replicate what he has done.  And that is my whole point. It only goes that far.

You are totally incorrect here and your point is invalid!  Itsu replicated my work regarding at least several different OU technologies over the past several years that I thought were valid.  With his help over many laborious hours of bench work, it was determined I was in error.  You know nothing about Itsu and myself regarding our search for OU.

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You guys want to make it more than that. You are all looking for a way to make a forum prove something that everyone should believe. But that can never happen. We have done that sort of thing long ago. It is getting old now. It is merely a fantasy. It cannot happen.  Because you will always have the realist come in and say as I do: "says who?" Even Hollywood leaves you with the same problem for spiderman who is going to have to try and convinced his fantasy world how a video was faked. You can't rely on videos to prove anything. You can't rely on testimony through this medium. You should only encourage people to prove things out to themselves. But you guys are setting the stage for more fake OU claims to be believed, and real OU claims to be disbelieved. Both are counterproductive. Some of you guys are disinfo people doing this on purposes. Others are just fooled by this game and not thinking about this. But at least I have forced them to partially admit that anyone could be wrong. Now if they will only really admit that to be the case and not take it back in the next sentence.


Your comments above are most confusing!  My purpose and many others on this forum is to find REAL OU.  When someone like you for example makes claims of easy OU, we place the burden of proof on you, the claimant.  I am not impressed with videos that show the charging of LABs with LABs.  I'm not impressed with videos showing devices with LED loads and claims of OU.  As you state above "You can't rely on videos to prove anything".  What I do rely on are concrete measurements taken with credible equipment by credible people.  This can be shown accurately in stills and video.  If this info is not included, all claims of performance are meaningless.

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P, he is not actually replicating anything I am doing because he said he has not even read what I wrote. So he is doing his own thing based upon no OU claim. He is not seeking "Confirmation of OU devices and claims" in this activity. That is in regards to a particular setup. But in regards to a general claim he may be attempting to do something. But again, he would have to work from the right context. And he shows no interest to understand the right context. The videos show that this is entirely new to him. So you guys are expected far too much from him. Again, if he has been at this for years without success, then doesn't that mean anything to you? I guess I don't understand how someone can spend all that time for years and never have anything to is more than mainstream processes. Why not just do something very simple as I have been saying? Why doesn't G and others show why they believe OU is possible? Surely there is some justifiable reason you guys are all here??? Or do you all just like to chat? Or are you all just here to disprove OU? What is the reason you all think OU is possible? Or how can you justify your time spent here doing this? If the laws are fixed as so many things said here imply, then why even bother? But if you can just do a simple thing to see some gain then you can build upon that. Yet if something is suggested it is ignored or disbelieved with fallacy. And no one wishes to offer up any rational reason why we have any grounds for believing in OU. Isn't that amazing on a forum such as OU? Has it therefore just become a place for hackers to disprove OU?

Let me see if I understand you correctly.  Those of us who have been doing this for years and have failed to find OU are wasting our time and are basically harming others with our questioning to the point of being disinfo agents?  But if we were to just following your teachings regarding the rapid quenching of an arc as you have demonstrated in sundry and various ways in your videos, we would be successful correct?  Well, take away any LABs and LEDs and demonstrate that you can ultimately capture the radiant energy resulting from a rapidly quenched arc as per Tesla in a resistive or other useful real load, and you will have something.  Case in point, after all these years of your research and building efforts, are you still connected to the grid?   

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So why does Itsu do what he has done for so many years when he never has had success in experiencing OU? What is the basis for continuing? I would really like to know what grounds he has for expecting to find something. If there are no reasons, that is fine, but we ought to know that before we make him Pope in the infallible sense. Did any of you ever think to ask this?
And the same with G. Don't you think that it would be most instructive if we learned the reason for his one sentence of expecting to find some circuit give additional gains? These revelations would be far more important than anything he has yet written. But he refuses to say a word about it. If he says there are no actual reasons then he will look foolish, especially to the mainstream skeptics. If he actually has some grounds for that sentence then withholding that information is needlessly unproductive considering all the hostilities about this. Why not just come out of the closet G? Tell us one way or the other. Maybe you don't because you want others to do the work for you? I don't know.

But all of you need to ask yourself this question. What is my reason for being here and basis for considering such claims? If you have any foundation for rational belief in OU then why have you not stated it? Why not build upon that foundation? Why keep silent. If you do not have any, then state that. Come clean. Tell us that you have no reason at this point to believe it. That would be helpful. But no, we just all jump right in ignoring all foundations and get crazed about some schematic or circuit that is supposed make someone a sensation or a liar based upon popular opinion!

You know Rick there is a 'remote' possibility that what you 'think' is OU is really not!  How do I know this, because I have "been there and done that" many times with far more complex circuits to analyze than what you have presented.  This has taught me to be really careful before making claims and divulging anything that would waste others time in replication or building.   

Why do those like myself continue the search for OU, because of hope.  Hope that we may find that something which has been overlooked in our observations.  That's our common goal.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1062 on: July 09, 2019, 06:12:42 PM »
Sorry Rick you write a book about my epididymis.

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« Reply #1063 on: July 09, 2019, 06:17:39 PM »

It shouldn't take more space / rows than the extra  long posts we often can see here  to describe what causes this extra incoming effect/ power supply and how to place and dimension coils and use the Coil repeating/ amplifying? effect if any, ETC, ETC.

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He can't show you anything, because he does not have it.
It is all part of show.

While you reading long posts, business is going well!
He is not aiming at members who are posting here. His audience are others who reads this and then buy products.
As long as he can maintain status quo, not giving chance to measure his circuits and disprove him, sales of product are going up.

This is teasing game for him to claim without prove, and for you to begging him to show you.
At the end you buy product!

He is salesman.

Otherwise, he will participate along with Itsu to show how to make that coils OU as he claim, but he will never do that!
You have eyes and can see this for yourself, but the hope that he have something will draw you here again and again.
And that is exactly what he wants!

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1064 on: July 09, 2019, 06:18:09 PM »
I don't  understand your question. My point about science fiction was that people were living in a fiction world online and forgetting that science is done in the real world. The fiction is not real by definition, so never. Science fiction can copy the real world, but the story is always not real. Our culture is deceived with all the fiction so that they believe things are real because of how much the fiction repeats things. The not-real never becomes real. The not-real merely tries to portray things as if they are real (some of the things attempting to be portrayed are real).
Again, my point is that you guys are so accustomed to science fiction on these forums that you have no sense of real science at all. You believe claims made from videos of strangers you do not really know at all, except through this escapist online avenue where people often act totally different than they do in the real world. They enter into a fantasy existence and soar wherever they so desire! I have worked for years in mental health treating people with mental health problems, and this is delusional and borders on delirium in some cases. The fact that no one wants to admit it shows how serious it is.

Mr.Friedrich, Science and combined with Fiction is ever fine !  ;)
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