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Author Topic: Confirmation of OU devices and claims  (Read 281499 times)

Offline itsu

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1020 on: July 07, 2019, 07:17:32 PM »
Thanks Itsu for spoiling me with this great video. What you said about connecting all the
to a super cap and beefing up the big coil driver will be very interesting. Thanks again
from 4 degrees south of the equator right in the middle of the INDIAN OCEAN.

seychelles,

I hooked up the 3 satellite coils DC output together and to a 15F supercap stack.

Running the big coil with the gate driver on 12V battery and have a ground lead to its negative rail and thus
to the variable cap.

Still running 193Khz square wave input 50% duty cycle from a FG also on a battery.

Input into the gate driver is 12.4V @ 130mA.

The voltage across the supercap stack is 1.5V and climbing @ 31mA rms, so it will take a while for the supercaps
reach 12V.

So these 3 coils produce about ¼ of the input current in their present positions.

Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCMblzJmFLQ


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1020 on: July 07, 2019, 07:17:32 PM »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1021 on: July 07, 2019, 10:02:16 PM »
Itsu:  I noticed an anomaly when I measured the voltage across the 12 volt 4 watt bulbs when powered by a satellite coil  The brightness indicated maybe 3 to 4 volts but the volt meter measures 0.2 of  a volt and less sometimes.  I do not know if the meter cannot read the voltages at this frequency. Also the bulb runs cold.  I wonder if you could check that out please.
IE the voltage powering the 4 watt bulb and the coldness versus a comparable brightness  of a 4 watt bulb normally powered.
Thanks.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1022 on: July 07, 2019, 10:28:45 PM »

A.king21,

i will check on that, i use a 12V 3.5W led bulb on a satellite coil with No rectification, just the coil and the parallel cap (5nF).

My Fluke 8060A true RMS meter reads 2.2V (AC mode) and my scope shows the below signal.
Yellow voltage across the bulb
green current through the bulb
red power calculated from V and I

I know from experience how multimeters can fool you when out of frequency range (most go to 10Khz max).
The bulb back reads 1°C above ambient (24° compared to 23°).

Gate driver is grounded

I will try severall combinations.


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1022 on: July 07, 2019, 10:28:45 PM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1023 on: July 07, 2019, 11:09:44 PM »
Hi Itsu,

Okay on your TX coil data, thanks. The wire length is too short to behave like a quarter wave coil on the
190 or 130 kHz frequencies so I cannot really compare it to a Tesla coil at this low frequency. 
Around 1 MHz it may more easily behave like that if operated as a Tesla coil, with an open end on its top.
In this latter case, the current distribution alongside the coil would be like having a maximum value at the
bottom and decreasing towards the top to a minimum value, just in the opposite way the voltage distribution
would behave when the tuning is correct. The reason for the minimum current at the top is that electrons
cannot 'go' beyond the top end of the coil wire, a small leakage may happen at a high enough top voltage
maximum, helped by some top capacity load. 
Thanks,
Gyula

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1024 on: July 07, 2019, 11:28:05 PM »
A.king,
I think you have an oscilloscope and function generator.  If so, you can check your DMM's AC frequency response
by measuring the output voltage level across the output of the function generator, starting from say some hundred Hz
and then at some kHz, then at some ten and then some hundred kHz while you monitor the output voltage by the
oscilloscope too.  The waveform chosen should be sine wave, for a start. 
The scope shows peak to peak amplitude, you need to divide it by 2.81 to get the RMS value DMMs usually show AC.
This is correct only for sine waves within the specs,  distorted waves may have differing RMS values already.
IF you have a TRUE RMS type DMM, then the AC frequency range may go up to the some ten kHz range and higher,
otherwise they good up to perhaps some hundred Hz, and sine wave only.   
Another problem may be when the LED bulb simply cuts the "caps" of the sine wave coming from the resonant
LC circuit, you have no more sine wave, see itsu's scope shot on the voltage wave shapes.

Of course if your DMM has a Operation Manual, then the specifications in it may include AC frequency range for current
and voltage.  Unfortunately, some DMMs do not have manuals. Searching on the web by the type number may brings hits.
 
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Offline seaad

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1025 on: July 08, 2019, 12:29:35 AM »
Ok
 Why do you (all) use LED's with maybe "strange circuitry" inside destroying "normal" results?
 Distorting your logical thinking.
 For instance that strange ripple. Can't be overtones from the input?
I'm always using resistors .
Am I an odd person in this regards?

LED's  Dc, Ac?? 12V with "knees" at <4.8volt???

Regards Arne

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1026 on: July 08, 2019, 12:34:52 AM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4529&v=EcFWuchjaqk
The most stunning demonstration of Benitez's free energy patent anywhere on the web EVER!  With scope shots for you scope guys.


1 hour 15 minutes in.  Then you can go back and find out the circuit diagram and compare it to Ed Gray's system (which is also analysed) and of course Bedini.(lol)


G  I hear you.  Trouble is my experiment is also using the DSE and I have to have a neon bulb with resistor over one of the caps to stop from getting shocked by mains voltage. The transients are too high for me to risk the scope. (I must get a 1000 x probe).
I'll have a detailed look at your post tomorrow  and figure something out.


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Offline seychelles

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1027 on: July 08, 2019, 05:21:19 AM »
Thanks Itsu. Have a great day.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1028 on: July 08, 2019, 06:00:03 AM »
Hoppy:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu1hNQsr9YnkIjFkMAc3Npw


1 hour 45 minutes in ...


 Is this the same circuit you were using?  ie Gabriel Kron's negative resistor schematic (more or less ie with variations). So the battery voltage across a load ie a bulb is zero - yet the bulb still lights??

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1029 on: July 08, 2019, 03:57:57 PM »
Hoppy:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu1hNQsr9YnkIjFkMAc3Npw


1 hour 45 minutes in ...


 Is this the same circuit you were using?  ie Gabriel Kron's negative resistor schematic (more or less ie with variations). So the battery voltage across a load ie a bulb is zero - yet the bulb still lights??
Very similar but there has to be voltage across the bulb to light. How is it being measured?

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1030 on: July 08, 2019, 04:13:12 PM »
   Bulbs will light using magnetic current, but the voltmeter won't register the voltage when the frequency is beyond it's limits. 
   If a scope were used, there would be a voltage reading at the bulb. Most of us know about this. But to say that there is NO voltage reading, zero, and therefore, there is NO voltage at the bulb, is wrong. There is voltage, or the bulb would not light, as Hoppy mentioned. We know there is voltage, the question is what do the readings on a scope show, and what is the amperage, so that the output can be figured. Otherwise, talk of zero voltage, is not correct, nor zero readings.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2019, 12:56:57 AM by NickZ »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1031 on: July 09, 2019, 12:38:04 AM »
...
 If Itsu had been to my meetings and then replicated the same, then what would you say to that?
...
Honestly Rick, would you let anyone measure anything relevant to your resonant kit setup on such a meeting? 
Would you let Itsu attempt looping back the outputs to replace the power supply? It could be done within 1 hour 
work by using full wave diode bridges across the LC tanks of the 10 or 11 big receiver units (as per your thoughtful 
calculations the many small receiver units would not be needed) and collect the DC outputs in a bigger puffer capacitor. 

This latter then would feed the gate driver IC directly, provided the DC level holds up in the puffer capacitor at least for
some seconds (and hopefully for much longer),  that would already indicate the real strength of the received 8W power
you claim. This way the participants on that particular meeting, say 8-10 people (or even 18), could see the performance
in the real world. 
(The function generator could still be run from its own supply because the input of the gate driver needs only a few mW
drive level, negligible to the claimed 8 W output. And a discrete square wave generator can be built for the job.)

I hope those participants you mentioned "as a good number of them reading this thread" have been indeed reading
this post too and next time they will 'demand' the loop back attempt...   8)

My kind message for them: Folks, electric power going into LED bulbs cannot be evaluated numerically by the naked eye,
LED bulbs are strongly nonlinear devices. Please see this post here and think the spectacular LED brightnesses over:
https://overunity.com/17491/confirmation-of-ou-devices-and-claims/msg534508/#msg534508
   
And no offense but I would believe Itsu 100% what he would have experienced if he had been either a witness there,
or if after seeing it he would replicate it and show it in his video: I would certainly believe him. Many members
(who care to follow his activity) have known him for years here and on other forums.   

And why Itsu would report back a false result after his succesful replication ??  I would trust him 100% and so would
several other members here too. 
For he would have learned from you a wonderful circuit setup...  and the other participants present in the real world too. 

And I would really be happy that the 8 W (or even only say 4 W) is indeed present at the outputs of the satellite LC circuits
while less than 1 W is consumed from the 8 W (or 4 W) output to maintain operation. Rick I would acknowledge I was wrong. 

Gyula


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1032 on: July 09, 2019, 01:12:27 AM »
    Guys:
   I'll second that... I would also trust itsu's findings, 100%. Regardless of the test results, being good or bad. Anyone can be wrong, but he tells and shows it how it is. Whether it's positive results, or not so positive results.  But, the proof is in the pudding, and lighting just a 10w bulb, as well as a feed back path, would help to turn the tide, for me.
   I would trust what certain people show in their videos. Not all devices are faked, just mostly... and that is why we are all so skeptical about what some people say, and what they show. Any OU type of claims need to be verified, that is what this thread is here for. Rick told me to put up or shut up, when I bring up the subject of proof. I guess he forgot where he's at.
   We are here to learn... All of us. Without long drawn out sermons, telling us how and what to believe. Thanks, but I got that one down, already. Waiting for the real self runner...before diving in, to unknown waters.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1033 on: July 09, 2019, 08:53:11 AM »
Many thousands of people already have OU...

So many liars and delusionals in this world. Very sad.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1034 on: July 09, 2019, 10:02:27 AM »
I don't know, it is something I have wondered for a long time. Are they all liars Tesla, Morray, Newman, Meyers, Searl, Wagner, Hans Coeler and the list goes on and some as Searl and Meyers have done jail time but does that mean they were all liars or is there a true conspiracy to keep it all under wraps or is it human greed I don't know for sure yet after 15 years of looking into this stuff. This is part of why I don't even experiment with some things such as energy from the sky or ground because what if you did figure it out and powered your house from the ground do you really think you wouldn't just be thrown in jail for stealing power.

 

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