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Offline a.king21

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1005 on: July 07, 2019, 01:17:45 AM »

AG

When I said 10MW I meant 100 MEGAWATTS.  That is what 100 MW means and that is the size of the transformers we were intending Kapanadze to work with. I don't care if you don't believe me.  I brought you the Aquarium 2 to study so lets leave it at that.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1006 on: July 07, 2019, 02:43:32 AM »
Hoppy,
I think if you guys listen a little bit more to what I have actually shared that you would be surprised how much we may agree in things. This is why I am talking so much about assumptions. You can call it sermons or whatever, but mostly assumptions stand in the way of progress.
Now I have been making at distinction between the words mainstream and conventional. While these words are often interchangeable, I'm wanting to make an important difference between mainstream theory which assumes various limitations of focus and possibilities with technology and energy. But Conventional usage and products actually contain here and there all the processes that mainstream low level popular opinion denies. People do not realize this because the same things are just repeated over and over again so people just assume mainstream theories are absolute and exhaustive.
So mainstream people are not experts at all. Any expert promoting the limits of mainstream theories are either lying or are not expert at all. They are merely ignorant of existing technology that is over 100 years old. They are merely college level, and probably having limited experience with real world technology. Yes, many people specialize and never see but a sample of what is out there.
Again, I am not saying that conventional processes and understanding is false. I am saying that many of the limiting claims of people are just not true. Any study of the history of science shows how wrong each generation it in this respect. It is laughable. Like Kirchhoff is not false, but merely a special circumstance which just happens to be what most people limit themselves to. Do you see what I mean?
As for Bedini, he never really properly understood battery charging because he never took the time to do proper controlled testing over any length of time. He demonstrated himself to be the worst scientist I have ever seen. Mostly 5 minute tests. It was always people like me that did thousands of tests over long periods of time. Then he would write about it as if he had done the work. As far as I have found in my extensive research on him, that around 2011 he became committed changing his story and giving out all sorts of false information to people as I have mentioned. You cannot rely one what he has shared unfortunately. I'm not saying you have done that, as I speak to everyone in general. Be careful. That is why no one is to be considered an authority. Even Tesla was way off in several things. This is why I say we have to "test all things and hold fast to the truth." But what John said about batteries and charging was vastly conflicting, and many times you didn't understand the context of his statement unless you were in the shop with us the hour he made that comment, as it was about some context he didn't properly share. This was really bad.
If I understand you in your using the word "vagaries" that you are thinking that there is just a very unexpected and inexplicable thing happening in the battery and maybe not even predictable or repeatable. Well, I have been at this 15 years full time and this is very real science that is just more than mainstream practice. I have long demystified all this stuff and Bedini's wild bar talk storytelling.  But batteries are only the basic first stage experience in this tech. It does not depend on using a battery to experience these processes. I'm personally burned out with batteries and motors but that is all that is permissible for the public.

Rick,
Interesting post. You have expended much time and words attempting to show the mainstream experts the error of their ways by applying conventional electrical thought and measurement processes to their experiemnts. Some time back, I mentioned Peukerts Law in respect of battery capacity. I'm sure that you like me have run Bedini wheel energisers for years on end using the same source and charge LA batteries in rotation, (as taught by John), whilst doing work charging batteries and doing mechanical work. By studying Peukerts Law, it can readily be appreciated why this is possible and on the surface appears surprising and exciting to the unitiated. So, in this respect, I understand why you are excited, as I was to experience what could be done using this type of tech. Also, like you, I have applied this to practical uses running modified motors with more powerful mechanical and solid state setups. The only difference between us is that I understand that conventional principles still apply and what we are really doing is exploiting the vagaries of batteries by carefully tuning loads to the device and as John correctly told us, use decent batteries that are well desulfated by conditioning. We are on a similar page Rick but I choose not to conduct a sermon on the issue.  ;)

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1007 on: July 07, 2019, 02:47:05 AM »
A.king,
The transformer looks a lot smaller than a 100MW transformer. What was the specs on that one?

Re coil measurement:  I was asking Kapanadze if special components were required.  My team needed a 100 MW set up. Maybe in builds of 10 MW.  Kapanadze said the only requirement was the cable or wire required which would have to be accurately measured. Then he seemed to think that ordinary off the shelf components were ok.
(In Rick's case he states that just one cm out and you can lose the effect.)
I enclose a photo of some of the transformers we were going to use  to input into the grid .

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Offline AlienGrey

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1008 on: July 07, 2019, 03:22:40 AM »
AG

When I said 10MW I meant 100 MEGAWATTS.  That is what 100 MW means and that is the size of the transformers we were intending Kapanadze to work with. I don't care if you don't believe me.  I brought you the Aquarium 2 to study so lets leave it at that.
thanks for the reply, but no it wasn't that I didn't believe you i just thought you were or might be comparing the difference between grid hardware and TK's efficient capabilities.

Concerning TKs device I think I have a good idea how it works, but that doesn't mean i know exactly.
regards AG

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1009 on: July 07, 2019, 03:48:33 AM »
G,
Wow, I appreciate the effort.

Well I think this comment from me was not the most catching of what I have claimed here. Nevertheless I see why you say this.

Haha, I did prove it already. I proved it to myself in the real world. How could I prove it to anyone else? At the meeting this was one of the least impressive demonstrations and wasn't a big priority. But the guys did put all the caps on the coils and arrange the coils. They were satisfied with the demonstrations, but most of them already had these kits and understood that they could do that already from their own testing. They are on their own private forums doing such things. The meeting wasn't about trying to prove OU to skeptics, but to better understand the principles of OU which I am striving to better teach on each day.

Now you still are not expecting me to try and prove this was 8W for 3/4W input through video, pictures or word (well I did say so in word)? How could I possibly do that? Put meters on all the LEDs and somehow try and show all of them at once, while showing each connection? And how could a video or pictures prove anything when someone could easily enough just have some unseen additional transmitter broadcasting? And people could do the same thing to make a disproof claim. People can fake videos or be mistaken. I will never encourage people to merely believe what I say I have experienced. And putting a bunch of meters around such a setup would definitely affect the broadcast.

So I don't refrain from proving this, but I refrain from trying to fool myself or others in claiming to try and prove something that would be impossible to prove over this medium.

Anyway, everyone at the meeting was plenty convinced that there was more than 3/4W output on some 90 coils, with the potential to have 500 coils do the same thing. Again, let's say we divide the 0.75W into all these coils. Was there more than 0.04W per large 3W bulb (0.6W total) and 0.002W for each smaller LED (0.15W total). That would be like the 3W bulbs only running at 12V@ 0.0033A (3.3ma) and 3V@ 0.0007A (0.7ma or 700ua). Of course the meters show these A numbers a few decimals to the left, but anyone there could see that these bigger bulbs do not blind you with the low numbers if we are assuming nothing more than input power dispersed in these 90 so bulbs. The little red ones are also much brighter than those numbers would allow. We run them at various brightness, and under 1ma gives very little response.

But again, while the goal for many people is to prove OU, that is not the goal of many people who have long experienced OU. You guys are new at this and for whatever reasons have not understood how OU works or stumble yourselves by this confusion of looking for someone to prove OU over the internet. I also don't believe and know for a fact that many people are only pretending to disbelieve OU.
Most people who have OU and are using it are not going to be online talking about it. They are either off making money with it in various ways, or are private people not wanting to draw attention to themselves. Many people who have trying to show something have just be ignored or rejected, so why invite that trouble? The most important YouTube videos on the subject get very low views, and a good number of them are right here on this OU forum. All the good stuff just gets buried in disinfo diversion from it. And many other mistaken or fake OU claims get the attention.

Anyway, G, I did not come here to try and prove OU. I came here because someone else tried to do that against my advice. I came here to teach all of you the principles of OU so that you could do that in countless ways. And that was done. Hopefully I'll get all this more organized over the next few days to finalize that teaching in basic form. But I did give you the same level of claim that Itsu has. And I did this to show all of you your mistakes in your double standard assumptions. According to your expectations on this thread I fulfilled the conditions because a god number of those 18 people, and others from other meetings (California, Lansing, and Canada) are reading this thread over the last few weeks (and some of them have "Confirmation of OU devices and claims" of what I showed them and what they have personally experienced). Others have just my kit. Yet you believe one person's claims that is not in the real world in front of you. If Itsu had been to my meetings and then replicated the same, then what would you say to that? Probably that it was not proof, because it really wouldn't be proof. My point is that all this is on the same level and it doesn't matter how many people speak for or against a claim, or show pictures or videos. If I show you my boat running while charging another battery at the same rate, or a fan, or whatever, can that prove anything when done with video? I showed the black box running for an hour with video. The input stayed the same for an hour. Can you run a 6W load for an hour and the 12AH battery stay the same while such loads were also being powered from that? No. So what kind of proof are you expecting here? And why the double standard?

Hi Rick,
I knew you would jump on it, that is mainly why I worded it like that.   ;)
Here is one of the most catching comments I have read on this forum.
"There were 15 total as I had 4 smaller coils with larger bulbs as well (one under the table and 4 at the top at one point--10 big coils, 4 smaller, and 1 on a ferrite rod). There were 75 small coils with LEDs totaling over 2W. So we have at least 8W of measured power with 0.75W or less input."
It is a pity if you refrain from proving it and it remains a claim. 
Gyula

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Offline rickfriedrich

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1010 on: July 07, 2019, 04:04:52 AM »
AG,
Maybe the real thing your comment here is pointing out is a lack of knowing what is being attempted here? I have destroyed the misconception of everyone in their thinking you can prove anything over the internet. So this makes pointless so many postings. It forces people to do science for themselves and prove to themselves what everyone was looking for others to do. So now we see Itsu says he doesn't read what I have said so why would anyone think what he was doing resembled what I am doing?
It's not merely a question of what the figures are but what do they imply? What is the basis and context of those figures? What is the relevance to anyone here? He is admittedly in uncharted territory here. His postings are curious but very limited. I'm not saying they are useless by any means. But I fail to understand the goal or purpose of this. Maybe that is part of your question as well.

Gyula, Well I assume that's Rick's device but what of Itsu it's pointless me asking any one in the group,
but what exactly are Itsu's figures to date ?

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1011 on: July 07, 2019, 05:37:20 AM »
A.king,
The transformer looks a lot smaller than a 100MW transformer. What was the specs on that one?
It was just one section of an industrial complex - there was a whole row of these monsters. It was a disused coal mine that was converted to an industrial park. We had options on two factory units at the time. I was new to this stuff at the time so took a few photos and  some short videos. I have found another photo of some of the cages housing these trafos.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1012 on: July 07, 2019, 07:10:02 AM »
Just for you Rick.....

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1013 on: July 07, 2019, 08:41:57 AM »
Thanks Itsu for spoiling me with this great video. What you said about connecting all the
to a super cap and beefing up the big coil driver will be very interesting. Thanks again
from 4 degrees south of the equator right in the middle of the INDIAN OCEAN.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1014 on: July 07, 2019, 09:07:38 AM »
So now we see Itsu says he doesn't read what I have said so why would anyone think what he was doing resembled what I am doing?

Rick,

How is your progress on video?

When you release it, then it will be visible what is different between your and Itsu concept.
Until then I don't have a clue about resemblance or difference between yours and Itsu design.
I tried to connect dots from your posts, but I failed.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1015 on: July 07, 2019, 09:58:11 AM »
AG,
Maybe the real thing your comment here is pointing out is a lack of knowing what is being attempted here? I have destroyed the misconception of everyone in their thinking you can prove anything over the internet. So this makes pointless so many postings. It forces people to do science for themselves and prove to themselves what everyone was looking for others to do. So now we see Itsu says he doesn't read what I have said so why would anyone think what he was doing resembled what I am doing?
It's not merely a question of what the figures are but what do they imply? What is the basis and context of those figures? What is the relevance to anyone here? He is admittedly in uncharted territory here. His postings are curious but very limited. I'm not saying they are useless by any means. But I fail to understand the goal or purpose of this. Maybe that is part of your question as well.
Yes there is some truth in what you repeat here, but if we read from out side the test tube lab we might get a different view from others more factual knowledge especially when it's in a different tongue and where it's not suppressed by federal corporate greed, your transmitting and charging particles and capturing them down the line I did read Henry Morays publications
and Don smiths but you would be lucky to get any of them to work unless one knows the basic principals behind it all.

There was an article on you tube by a retired Turkish university 70 year profesor guy who gave away one of the secrets that wasn't very well thought out concerning electron travel time in different materials that might be of interest and then there is the TK's use of the caduceus coil it's all a big give away, but never investigated by any of the guys here not even Itsu to my knowledge and then there is Nelson  ;D
AG

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1016 on: July 07, 2019, 10:11:26 AM »

If I understand you in your using the word "vagaries" that you are thinking that there is just a very unexpected and inexplicable thing happening in the battery and maybe not even predictable or repeatable. Well, I have been at this 15 years full time and this is very real science that is just more than mainstream practice. I have long demystified all this stuff and Bedini's wild bar talk storytelling.  But batteries are only the basic first stage experience in this tech. It does not depend on using a battery to experience these processes. I'm personally burned out with batteries and motors but that is all that is permissible for the public.
Yes, eccept with a lot of observation through experimentation - yes, years of it like you - the vagaries become understood as being normal characteristics of batteries under different operating conditions. That is why I can, like you, run a 6W load for an hour and the 12AH battery stay the same while such loads were also being powered from that. Now that does not infer that I want a pis.....g contest with you on best performance.  ;) All I am saying is that when laborius and properly conducted load tests are carried out, it is clear to me that the performance of a given DUT can be explained in conventional / mainstream terms. Now, I don't expect you to agree that I may be right on this issue, just to agree to disagree without launching into a tirade.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1017 on: July 07, 2019, 10:45:22 AM »
Hi Itsu,
Thanks for your efforts.  Okay that it contradicts to my above post, we learn all the time. 

We need to evaluate the results. I think your small and shorted wire loop for indicating the current is ok. 
It is also interesting that current maximum remains in the middle while the voltage minimum moves up from
the bottom when you use the ground.  One would expect them both move.  Let's approach this otherwise:
what is approximate wire length in your TX coil?  When I thought of comparing the TX circuit to a vertical antenna, 
it came from a Tesla coil voltage distribution.  As the Corum brothers wrote it is a quarter wave helical resonator, with maximum voltage
at the top and minimum at the bottom if tuned correctly. 
Will be back later tomorrow only. 

Gyula

Gyula,


Data on the big coil is here:

https://overunity.com/17491/confirmation-of-ou-devices-and-claims/msg534327/#msg534327


We have 145 turns on a 16cm diameter former,  meaning a circumference of 50.27cm.
This comes to a coil wire length of 72.8m

If you consider this a ΒΌ wave length, then the full wavelength will be 291.2m so 1.029 MHz.


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1018 on: July 07, 2019, 11:50:43 AM »
Yes well, so whats a DUT a 'dead universal transistor' ?  ;D if your going to use brain teasers can you declare them please  some where in your post ;D

And please be aware it's not just that you live your life - it's how you live your life that's important!

AG

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1019 on: July 07, 2019, 04:09:28 PM »
Yes well, so whats a DUT a 'dead universal transistor' ?  ;D if your going to use brain teasers can you declare them please  some where in your post ;D

And please be aware it's not just that you live your life - it's how you live your life that's important!

AG
Device under test.  ;)

 

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