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Author Topic: The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....  (Read 28855 times)

Offline Magluvin

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Re: The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....
« Reply #180 on: November 05, 2017, 10:53:19 PM »
It's too early to be looking between the turns..... 


"Inductance is the characteristic of an electrical circuit that makes itself evident by opposing the starting, stopping, or changing of current flow."


Three instances when EMF is induced....  How often does the current start, stop or change in either of the circuits?!?!  What are you doing during these key instances?!  How are you positioned to capitalize on opposition to change, how was Tesla?  How can you expect to understand what is being suggested by the use of the terms "flux capacitor" if your attention isn't focused on the flux!?  Which flux!?  Capacitor?  What capacitor?


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 its crystal clear you have no idea what I am talking about.. it's all good.... no one does....

Had the spark coil setup like the Ozone circuit where the primary is in series with the cap when the large inductor charges the cap after the switch opens.
If we want the cemf, or even the oscillation currents of the primary to affect the large inductor, then the large inductor would need to be a bifi coil and its capacitance would allow continued oscillation with the large inductor in the loop.  If the large inductor is a standard winding, its inductance would impede the higher freq of the primary and cap.  And if the cap is larger like I think tesla implies, then the bifi capacitance would most likely be of a lower capacitance, and the primary would go into oscillation with the bifi cap, and the large cap would be more of a feed through for the loop.

I tried both the igniter connection of the large inductor to the - of the primary and connected to the + side which would be Ozone circuit.  Scoping the inductor, the actions of the primary dont seem to change things much. So there would have to be another solution in order for the large inductor/motor windings to be influenced electrically by the actions of the primary..

The only one I see is to make the large inductor a bifi coil so its capacitance can interact with the primary actions and currents will now flow in the large inductor that the primary gives.

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Re: The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....
« Reply #181 on: November 06, 2017, 03:18:20 AM »
If it is the case as I described above, then other things will have to be done to get it all in sync.

Like the possibility that the cap and primary oscillations may also continue along with the primary and the large inductors capacitance. One wave riding the other. Should it all be tuned so those 2 freq are harmonic. Switching time that maybe opens just after the first resonant wave of the primary and cap reaches its first peak in order to be at a maximum to jolt the large inductor bifi to get things rolling.

Im finding it more likely that the large inductor needs to be bifi in order for the primary currents to affect the large inductor.  Its my birthday.  Been a nice day. ;)

Mags
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Re: The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....
« Reply #182 on: November 06, 2017, 05:21:49 AM »
It's too early to be looking between the turns..... 


"Inductance is the characteristic of an electrical circuit that makes itself evident by opposing the starting, stopping, or changing of current flow."


Three instances when EMF is induced....  How often does the current start, stop or change in either of the circuits?!?!  What are you doing during these key instances?!  How are you positioned to capitalize on opposition to change, how was Tesla?  How can you expect to understand what is being suggested by the use of the terms "flux capacitor" if your attention isn't focused on the flux!?  Which flux!?  Capacitor?  What capacitor?


@Forest


 its crystal clear you have no idea what I am talking about.. it's all good.... no one does....


Thats what you need right there-the flux capacitor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABbmGHGs2C4

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Re: The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....
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Re: The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....
« Reply #183 on: November 06, 2017, 05:53:03 AM »

Thats what you need right there-the flux capacitor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABbmGHGs2C4

Well lets just call it a large inductor bifi winding capacitance. 

If there can be ozone produced by the large inductor/motor windings, then there has to be a way for currents to flow through those windings for the ozone to be produced as the standard large inductor wont allow Hf HV to flow on its own. But the capacitance of a bifi winding will, even though the inductance of the winding is very high. 


"I have found that in every coil there exists a certain relation between its self-induction and capacity that permits, a current of given frequency and potential to pass through it with no other opposition than that of ohmic resistance, or, in other words, as though it possessed no self-induction.  This is due to the mutual relations existing between the special character of the current and the self-induction and capacity of the coil, the latter quantity being just capable of neutralizing the self-induction for that frequency.  It is well known that the higher the frequency or potential difference of the current the smaller the capacity required to counteract the self-induction; hence, in any coil, however small the capacity, it may be sufficient for the purpose stated if the proper conditions in other respects be secured in the ordinary coils the difference of potential between adjacent turns or spirals is very small, so that while they are in a sense condensers, they possess but very small capacity and the relations between the two quantities, self-induction and capacity, are not such as under any ordinary conditions satisfy the requirements herein contemplated, because the capacity relatively to the self-induction is very small."

Nikola Tesla  Jan 9  1894



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Re: The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....
« Reply #184 on: November 06, 2017, 08:40:11 AM »

Lets not.....

 

There is no if....  ozone can be produced by the motor windings.  Your ideas regarding bifilar are borrowed, and in case you aren't aware, I have no interest in parasitic capacitance...  your present line of thinking will not help you accomplish what I am suggesting is possible.


If you understand what he saying, you understand me....  I am doing what he did....

Well then Ill leave it all to you forest and jeg. Actually I dont know what your suggesting is possible and I am apparently wasting my time.

I dont understand you at all. Thats what I know now.

Mags


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Re: The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....
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Re: The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....
« Reply #185 on: November 06, 2017, 09:09:52 AM »

LOL


Nice try.....  but once again you demonstrate a complete and utter lack of both creativity and originality...  What I'm suggesting brad has more in common with what we find in this link....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AtE54HpXBM

Ah yes--steam engines  ;D

I like steam engines  :D

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« Reply #186 on: November 06, 2017, 09:13:13 AM »
Now this is a real beat frequency--music to my ears.

Build what you like,but nothing sings like the old girls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQnxv9h0oFw

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Re: The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....
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Re: The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....
« Reply #187 on: November 06, 2017, 08:07:23 PM »
 
  How are you positioned to capitalize on opposition to change, how was Tesla? 

If i understand your question, main stream stands in parallel in relation to the flux direction! But again, it is what someone is looking for! Personally i find a great interest on what takes place at a perpendicular direction.

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Re: The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....
« Reply #188 on: November 06, 2017, 11:05:59 PM »
Maybe you guys can take this conversation to the Energy Amplification thread. That thread can use another 10 years of not figuring out anything by following clues that will not lead you to your goals. Maybe Tito will come in for some comedy relief.

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Re: The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....
« Reply #189 on: November 06, 2017, 11:32:44 PM »
Maybe you guys can take this conversation to the Energy Amplification thread. That thread can use another 10 years of not figuring out anything by following clues that will not lead you to your goals. Maybe Tito will come in for some comedy relief.

Mags

Too true Mag's

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Re: The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....
« Reply #190 on: November 06, 2017, 11:34:49 PM »
I'm don here. Tito was correct. You can create self-sufficient system using Tesla method of conversion.Motor has nothing with that. Erfinder would not tell you, in fact I know he is lurking for somebody to give him the answer ha ha. He is correct with one thing though - you don't need the inductor exactly like the one Tesla put into patents - it's a "distract-or"  and the real one is related to the enterprise Tesla struggle for years (which I pointed too - everything is connected and logical indeed) Again, read the patents "differently", the real answer is in some unnoticed comments...

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« Reply #191 on: November 06, 2017, 11:35:46 PM »

With your first post I thought you were just being brad... but with this one it's clear you just don't get it.....my response to your back to the future post went over your head....it's not about steam engines brad...

I think the back to the future post went over your head Erfinder.
I posted it because i see you as the doc,and one of your followers as McFly  ;D

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« Reply #192 on: November 06, 2017, 11:36:58 PM »

 :P

Yeah yeah.  Sorry to poop your party.  The best that people get from you is insults for not understanding what you put out here. Someone tries to interpret what you say and they get WTFs in return, as if you believe what your telling is just so simple. Well its not. Hasnt been for a long time from what i get through the latest grape vine.
 :P

How long have you been at this now? Tito says he figured it out from things to posted, yet you deny that he has..  So just from that, I 'interpret' that you know he could not have gotten anything from you that would have any benefit, because you know that nobody could have.

 :P

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« Reply #193 on: November 07, 2017, 01:16:06 AM »



it is what it is....


you want me to leave.....don't give me anything to reply to.....

Or we could just remove your comments  :P

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« Reply #194 on: November 07, 2017, 01:18:13 AM »
Yeah yeah.  Sorry to poop your party.  The best that people get from you is insults for not understanding what you put out here. Someone tries to interpret what you say and they get WTFs in return, as if you believe what your telling is just so simple. Well its not. Hasnt been for a long time from what i get through the latest grape vine.
 :P

How long have you been at this now? Tito says he figured it out from things to posted, yet you deny that he has..  So just from that, I 'interpret' that you know he could not have gotten anything from you that would have any benefit, because you know that nobody could have.

 :P

Mags

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