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### Author Topic: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws  (Read 40671 times)

#### vikram_gupta11

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2017, 06:05:01 PM »
See the link.i did some changes to prove Overunity.for calculations.
https://youtu.be/XjfA3GqRTXg

If calculate then .the length of tube is 1 meter and it's 30 cm length is mounted with arm.the rest 70 cm is upside so I will have to lift up only 30 cm with 10 kg mass.
If counter weight is 13 kg then the seesaw will be tilted already 70 degree.
The arm length is 2 meter.
Now if I lift up the 10 kg mass then toal mgh=130 Joule but minus 100 Joule of counter weight.
30 joule + 30 Joule of extra counterweight energy so total 60 Joule.
But ouput if ball fall down from 1 meter then 100 Joule and again fall down at the time of reversing then 90 Joule so total output energy will be 190 Joule but input is only 60 Joule.
Even I myself feeling the energy of falling ball in the device but at the time of booking the energy is very less.though hand is not perfect way but I think the difference can be find out by anyone falling ball and input energy.

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2017, 06:05:01 PM »

#### vikram_gupta11

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2017, 06:09:04 PM »
The arm is getting twisted due to lack of perfection between nail and hole otherwise there would be clear-cut momentum in it.
I did it with 80 cm arm but if I take 2 meter arm then the center of mass can be kept equal to fulcrum.

#### vikram_gupta11

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2017, 06:15:27 PM »
Noether theorem will not work in this mechanism as it is stopping for a moment in each back and forth step.

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2017, 06:15:27 PM »

#### sm0ky2

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2017, 06:03:35 PM »
E = mgh(initial) - mgh (final)

#### Low-Q

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2017, 08:20:58 PM »
E = mgh(initial) - mgh (final)
0 - 0 to be exact.

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2017, 08:20:58 PM »

#### sm0ky2

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2017, 12:36:24 AM »
The real issue with See-saws comes into play when you
consider Momentum.

Mass in motion, at whatever velocity, will have its own
Energy equations, that include energy from the gravitational
Field.

A lot of people get hung up trying to “grab” that.
A tiny imbalance can set motion to innumerable mass
Now you have a numerical conservation of energy problem.

And you can spend a lifetime of debate over it.

But none of the debators will take the Archer Quinn challenge
And stand under innumerable mass see-saw with a pebble on your end.

100 lbs can lift 100 lbs.
100 lbs + 1 gram can reverse the situation
You can lift extra any amount >1gram to regain the energy of your gram.
And also you have the momentum of
BOTH halves of the See saw crashing into whatever is under it.

See more at www.howthermodynamicscanblowme.com

#### vikram_gupta11

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2017, 08:17:47 AM »
Hello sir,
The velocity of mass is equal to velocity of box.but at the time of falling down the velocity of ball will be increased.it means the kinetic will be increased.
At the time of tilting the box velocity will be 0 but ball velocity will be not 0.

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2017, 08:17:47 AM »

#### vikram_gupta11

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2017, 08:37:52 AM »
You say 100 lbs can lift up 100 lbs and 1. Gram can reverse the situation but 1 gram cannot lift up 100 lbs and reverse the situation.
But in this mechanism the less mass is lifting up heavy mass.

#### vikram_gupta11

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2017, 08:54:32 AM »
At the time of tilting the box + ball velocity is equal but at the point when ball start to falling down then box velocity is 0 but ball velocity has been increased.
If I drop a 10 kg ball from ,1 meter height .it will never get it's previous height but in this mechanism the ball is getting it's previous height.
If ball would slide in the box then there would be no gain but the is falling down (Free fall)at the time of tilting and reversing despite loss of energy due to impact.
So what is this if it is not overunity?
I have already mentioned that the arm length is only 80 cm but if I take a 2 meter long arm then I can locate center of mass above fulcrum.
And no doubt the arm will get its original position without any external influence.
I am interested in Free fall of ball.

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2017, 08:54:32 AM »

#### sm0ky2

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2017, 11:08:17 AM »

If the height were 80cm
10x0.8/0.1/0.1 =800 Joules

Impact force of ball = 9.8 N

Kinetic energy gained by ball = 96.04 Joules

If height is raised, so is time of fall.
Time is important because it is s^2 in the equation
The longer the fall, the more acceleration.
Greater impact force, and greater kinetic energy change
for the ball.

Also greater input to lift ball.

If lift is leveraged, force x distance of lift decreases.
Thus total change in energy becomes more favorable.
At some height, with some leveraged mass:
There is a mathematical gain in kinetic energy.
This is because the gravitational constant is altered
by the lever, but not the free fall.

#### vikram_gupta11

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #40 on: December 13, 2017, 12:56:24 PM »
Dear sir,
The height is 80 cm
So it is as per mgh= 80 joule
But you forget that the ball is also falling down at the time of reversing from 70 cm
So mgh= 70 Joule
So total output is 150 Joule
But input is only 60 Joule.
Now you say that time is important in it.
Yes time can be increased but input will be same as interesting ly there will be need of increasing very less input.
How input will be same.
I explain it.

In my experiment the box length is 80 cm and arm length is also 80 cm.
But if I take arm length 2 meter then I can take box length 2 meter also.
If I mount 60 cmlength of this 2 meter long boxthen the ball fall down from 2 meter height
So output will be
Mgh=200 Joule
Again reverse output
Mgh=190 Joule
So total output
200+190= 390 Joule

« Last Edit: December 13, 2017, 05:05:25 PM by vikram_gupta11 »

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #40 on: December 13, 2017, 12:56:24 PM »

#### vikram_gupta11

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #41 on: December 13, 2017, 01:07:29 PM »
you say that 1 gram can reverse the 100 lbs but I take counterweight 1 kilogram.
Now if 60 cm box length is mounted underfulcrumthen input
Mgh=10*10*.6=60 Joule
And 1 kilogram weight
Mgh=1*10*1=10 Joule

So total input is =70 Joule
Edit: counterweight=11 kg.or 1100 gram
« Last Edit: December 13, 2017, 05:04:38 PM by vikram_gupta11 »

#### vikram_gupta11

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #42 on: December 13, 2017, 01:44:15 PM »
Dear sir,
There is double falling down of ball.inputbis single but output is double.the ball is falling down at the time of tilting and also reversing.
You say that it is not due to free fall but I have already mentioned that the hole and nail is not perfect as arm is getting twisted and working as a brake but if build perfectly then the leverage will be increased due to free fall.

#### vikram_gupta11

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #43 on: December 13, 2017, 05:50:39 PM »
See the image.

#### vikram_gupta11

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #44 on: December 14, 2017, 02:26:57 PM »
The sketch is clearly showing Overunity in this mechanism.
I used a massless box to increase the circumference in the video