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### Author Topic: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws  (Read 45331 times)

#### vikram_gupta11

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##### Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« on: September 28, 2017, 04:32:03 AM »
Dear Members,
https://youtu.be/NTKw2Hp6tPw

Now I explain in simple words how it will work.
In the video you can see a seesaw having two ball each side .the red color ball side arm of seesaw is slightly heavier than green color side arm.the weight of each ball is 30 gram and weight of each box is 20 gram.
The red ball is a counterweight and green ball will work to create energy.
The green ball will be free to move but counterweight will be permanently mounted.
Now I explain:
When I lift up the arm of green color ball up to a certain height and then you can see the movement of ball in the video that ball is moving due to a slope .
But when I left the arm then the ball is getting back it's previous position or in other words the seesaw is getting back it's horizontal position due to overunity.
It is totally against physics laws as ,as per physics laws the seesaw shouldn't get back it's horizontal position but in the video you can see it clearly.
Now replace this ball with 10 kg.ball and counterweight 10.200 kg.and calculate input and output using potential energy formula.
In this mechanism don't think about input as input will be very minimal but think about output.
The movement of ball in the box will work as a output so the length of arm and length of box will be also important.
The ball mass=10 kg.
The length of arm is=1 meter
The length of box is=80 cm.
The width will be depend on the diameter of ball.
Now calculations:
Input is very minimal
Output if a 10 kg ball will be rolled down from 10 cm height(though the height will be more) than using potential energy formula
10*10*.10=10 joule
So the output will be 10 joule but input will be very minimal.
I would like to insist on some following points.
(1)the angle of box will be 120 degree downside(see the Sketch)
(2) two piston generator will be mounted on the sidewall of the box.
If still you have any doubts then pls tell me.
(3)there is overunity in this mechanism otherwise seesaw wouldn't get back it's horizontal position.
I request you that if you any doubt regarding to understanding then pls tell me as I am ready to clear your all doubts.
Vikram Kumar Gupta

#### profitis

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2017, 06:44:32 PM »
"as per physics
laws the seesaw shouldn't get back it's horizontal
position but in the video you can see it clearly"

Its getting a free ride?

#### vikram_gupta11

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2017, 02:44:56 PM »

The most important point is in this mechanism we can increase the potential energy of the ball as per our desire by doing some changes in the design of box.and yes in other words the potential energy is the most important and if it is increasing after applying minimal input then the output will be more than input.
I have already sent you a video.it is not a big hurdle to increase the potential energy in this mechanism.
The green ball will move between piston generators and will hit these generator .when the ball hit the generator then in response generator will work to hit it back and this will be an advantage in this mechanism.
There is nothing to think more and more in this mechanism as we are increasing potential energy by using minimal input.

There are only three points.
(1) the input is very minimal to lift a heavy mass(10kg)
(2) we can increase potential energy of 10 kg.mass using minimal input. (3) the seesaw is getting back it's initial position without using any extra energy. If these points works in a system then no physics can prevent it to get OVERUNITY

#### vikram_gupta11

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2017, 08:05:40 AM »
https://youtu.be/9yQ9Ln7jBQ8
In the video the potential energy is being increased of the ball using minimal energy but after getting a certain height it will fall down and get back it's initial position due to the unique design of seesaw without any extra energy.
The design ,as per sketch,of box will work to hold the ball.

#### vikram_gupta11

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2017, 03:17:23 PM »
Some research scientist from Kharkiv Polytechnic institute has approved it.

#### vikram_gupta11

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2017, 05:05:28 PM »
I would like to tell everyone that Noether theorem will not work in this mechanism.i have consulted with a very renowned Chartered Physicist and he is very confused as neither he is deny nor accepting the feasibility of this mechanism.

#### vikram_gupta11

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2017, 03:11:58 PM »
Hello sir,
Overunity achieved.
Overunity achieved
The weight of ball is 500 gram and counterweight is 800 gram.the seesaw is tilted towards counterweight side.
The ball is falling down from 80 cm height at the time of tilting and from 70 cm height at the time of reversing of arm.
The counterweight is lifting up only 30 cm.Now calculate input and output.

#### vikram_gupta11

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2017, 05:02:33 PM »
There is a very interesting point in it which is clearly proving overunity.what is that?
The point is that input will be same if ball doesn't fall down or in rest position when I tilt the seesaw from 70 to 120 degree angle.the seesaw will be also get reversed in the position if ball doesn't fall down.it is not a big matter but main point is if input is same in both condition if ball fall down or doesn't then output??? Or what is about kinetic energy of ball ??

#### vikram_gupta11

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2017, 05:45:30 AM »
There is clear cut Overunity in this mechanism.

#### blueplanet

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2017, 06:01:44 PM »
It looks good.
I have not witnessed the experiment in person but I don't want to be on the side of the debunking crowd.
I wish to get a prototype to satisfy myself.

EDIT: To solve the "world problem", you have to make it permanently unstable. Hope you get an investor for this!

#### vikram_gupta11

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2017, 08:55:31 AM »
Hello,
One more point if I add a 40 cm long box with the top (remember top ,not bottom where ball is located)then the height will be increased and ball will traveled 120 cm and 110 cm.but interestingly the input energy will be same as the height of bottom is remain same.just increased the height of top.
The input will remain same but output will be increased.

#### Low-Q

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2017, 11:13:46 PM »
Hello Vikram,

As per conversation on Messenger, I have not got time to look into your latest video in detail. But what I suggests, is that the mass in the long tube is falling down because the angle of the tube makes it to.
Further, the experiment needs a hand to repeat the cycle. That means, per definition, that this is not over unity. It might be over unity for the first half cycle, but the device is doing only a half cycle. It need to be self sustained motion. Even acelerate. If you achieve this, you got over unity.
You also lack precicion in your judgment of the experiment. You hand cannot tell the exact energy input. More easily, the energy input is little due to the counterweight. I can see that. However, the experiment is only a half cycle experiment. The "wheel" should continue to spin. But it's not. I do, somewhat, understand how you're thinking. Lifting a mass with little effort, and yet, the mass is falling down with greater energy than the input. That is true for the half cycle. The next half cycle require the rest of the energy, and more, to be accepted as over unity. That's my thoughts.

If you got time, you're welcome to discuss my submerged buoyancy gravity wheel in a new thread here. I also sent you pictures on Messenger. I cannot see where I do the mistake. It MUST conserve energy, but I cannot see where. Not yet.

Vidar

#### vikram_gupta11

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2017, 08:30:23 AM »
Hello Sir,
There is overunity in it .it doesn't matter whether it is half way or full way.you are forgetting one point that the ball has been rotate at 360 degree completely or completed one cycle.
Can you please tell me such device where half way Overunity is being demonstrate d.?
There are three main reason due to which the device is not getting more acceleration.
(1) the tube is not perfectly bound with arm.
(2) the arm get twisted as nail and hole are not perfect.
(3) the most important the counterweight is fixed .if I use a ball as a counterweight in the box then the ball will get jump when 500 gram of long tube hit the top of box .it means the counterweight will be weight less upto that time when ball is in air in the box so the device will get momentum.
These are main reason.

#### vikram_gupta11

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##### Re: Why this seesaw is working against physics laws
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2017, 08:36:17 AM »
I want to know if I use two piston generator to get energy from this device and this energy work to lift up the system again then will it be considered as an Overunity as the main purpose is to get more output than input.