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Author Topic: Adams motor ReDefined  (Read 9568 times)

Offline allcanadian

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Adams motor ReDefined
« on: November 23, 2006, 09:18:37 PM »
I have found many people confused about how the adams motor works so here is a new thread.


When I read Adam's original patent it basically stated that he uses what I call forced resonance, It is resonance but 180 Deg out of phase with the source. This is what I understood from the patent-

A magnet approaches a coil, it is in attraction to the core, a voltage is induced in the coil windings, current flows in a forward direction in the windings.
- if you try to reverse the current flow to repell the magnet as in DC motors, you must first add as much energy to stop forward current as was added by induction, then you must add an amount of energy equal to the attractive power of the magnet to remove it. you pay twice
So adams concluded it's better to take the induced voltage on attraction and send it to charge a cap, but most importantly at register you must stop all forward current or you pay for it, open the circuit stopping all current flow so there can be no backdrag-no extra energy needed to stop the forward current flow. The switch contacts will ionize and arc unless a small high voltage cap is placed in parallel with it. The switch is then closed, all the induced energy on the cap flows back through the coil in a reversed direction repelling the magnet with the same force as was present on attraction- so the attraction/repulsion are a wash/equal. So what do you gain?
Adams called his machine a motor/generator, why not generator, or just motor.
The induced voltage stored on the cap-sent back through the coil in a reversed direction is then sent to a battery, a cap  but not an inductive load which would effect the coil.
The premise here is that you are moving charges through a system doing work, but the magnitude of charges does not diminish because no energy is lost to radiation losses(heat).

Some people believe the adams motor switching mechanism acted differently, as an interrupter of sorts, more like an ignition ststem does-any comments

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Adams motor ReDefined
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Re: Adams motor ReDefined
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2007, 10:12:16 AM »
ac I found the drawing on this page quite interesting.

http://www.aethmogen.com/wri/radams/200111goldenratio.shtml

It appears to me that only two coils drive the rotor while four others are wired together to collect voltage. The drawing is a little hard to see, I have a bigger one at home. It looks like positioning of the 4 pickup coils effects the voltage output. Any comments?

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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2007, 04:26:17 PM »
ac I found the drawing on this page quite interesting.

http://www.aethmogen.com/wri/radams/200111goldenratio.shtml

It appears to me that only two coils drive the rotor while four others are wired together to collect voltage. The drawing is a little hard to see, I have a bigger one at home. It looks like positioning of the 4 pickup coils effects the voltage output. Any comments?
Ren
Thanks for the link. I find the Adams Motor to be the most interesting of all pulse motors. Would you upload a larger drawing.
I have uploaded to YouTube my first pulse motor (2005) and bililar coil:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBjcaSCUoQg
BTW are you comfortable using "flyback voltage" rather than "Back EMF" to describe the voltage collected from a drive coil?
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Re: Adams motor ReDefined
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Offline allcanadian

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Re: Adams motor ReDefined
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2007, 10:47:26 PM »
here is quote from the link you provided.

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This is a unique system in that it is an implosive and totally reverse engineered machine which operates in the real realm of unity. The power manifested over time is "infinite" and therefore immeasurable.

-that's odd a device operating at "unity" producing an "infinite" amount of power over time.

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Re: Adams motor ReDefined
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2007, 07:27:25 PM »
I have found many people confused about how the adams motor works so here is a new thread.


When I read Adam's original patent it basically stated that he uses what I call forced resonance, It is resonance but 180 Deg out of phase with the source. This is what I understood from the patent-

A magnet approaches a coil, it is in attraction to the core, a voltage is induced in the coil windings, current flows in a forward direction in the windings.
- if you try to reverse the current flow to repell the magnet as in DC motors, you must first add as much energy to stop forward current as was added by induction, then you must add an amount of energy equal to the attractive power of the magnet to remove it. you pay twice
So adams concluded it's better to take the induced voltage on attraction and send it to charge a cap, but most importantly at register you must stop all forward current or you pay for it, open the circuit stopping all current flow so there can be no backdrag-no extra energy needed to stop the forward current flow. The switch contacts will ionize and arc unless a small high voltage cap is placed in parallel with it. The switch is then closed, all the induced energy on the cap flows back through the coil in a reversed direction repelling the magnet with the same force as was present on attraction- so the attraction/repulsion are a wash/equal. So what do you gain?
Adams called his machine a motor/generator, why not generator, or just motor.
The induced voltage stored on the cap-sent back through the coil in a reversed direction is then sent to a battery, a cap  but not an inductive load which would effect the coil.
The premise here is that you are moving charges through a system doing work, but the magnitude of charges does not diminish because no energy is lost to radiation losses(heat).

Some people believe the adams motor switching mechanism acted differently, as an interrupter of sorts, more like an ignition ststem does-any comments

You might want to rethink this a little ...when a magnet approaches a coil it is repelled you need to add voltage and current above the induced amount to attract it, this understanding of the direction of flow from induced voltage and imputted voltage or current if you like is imperative to any hope of success with these motors.
Adams was no smarter than anyone else who ever built a pulse motor and realised instantly the meter was connected, that there is output above the input there to be had.

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Re: Adams motor ReDefined
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2007, 08:43:55 PM »
.. I cant be nuts man. ???..I think part of your statement is wrong. When you move a magnet past a coil or iron cored coil ect , it creates or induces current in the wire if you want dc put a diode on one side   but you don't have to power your coil for a magnet to induce current in it, just wave it closely past.   If you wave it over a ferrous cored coil the magnet will attract on its own with no power connected.

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Re: Adams motor ReDefined
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2007, 12:13:55 AM »
Well, does it not depend on first whether the coil have air or ferromagnetic core?

When there is an air cored coil only, you have to switch current into the coil to make it an (air cored) electromagnet with a desired pole with respect to the permanent magnet, depending on what you wish: attraction on repulsion. And if your coil has a closed circuit with no any current input from you, then the approaching magnet will be repelled in a certain amount according to Lenz law.

When there is a ferromagnetic core in the coil, then you are correct, the core will be attracted (or magnetized) by the approaching magnet, no need to use current in the coil for this effect to happen (if your purpose is attraction).

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Re: Adams motor ReDefined
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2007, 02:46:18 PM »
Well, does it not depend on first whether the coil have air or ferromagnetic core?

When there is an air cored coil only, you have to switch current into the coil to make it an (air cored) electromagnet with a desired pole with respect to the permanent magnet, depending on what you wish: attraction on repulsion. And if your coil has a closed circuit with no any current input from you, then the approaching magnet will be repelled in a certain amount according to Lenz law.

When there is a ferromagnetic core in the coil, then you are correct, the core will be attracted (or magnetized) by the approaching magnet, no need to use current in the coil for this effect to happen (if your purpose is attraction).

Gyula
Hi Gyula
Let's keep things simple; when referring to an Adams Motor, the stator coils have an iron core. The rotor magnets are attracted to the ferromagnetic core. As they approach the coil, a current is induced. When the magnet is face to face at the closest point to the coil, a current is passed through the coil which neutralizes the core and the combination of enertia and the attraction of the next rotor magnet causes the rotor to rotate. The Adams Motor cannot function without multiple rotor magnets. Read http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/adamsmotor.htm
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Re: Adams motor ReDefined
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2007, 04:24:45 PM »
Hi Peter,

Thanks for the explanation, I  did as a busy bee and "overexplained" it a little.  Probably because ruin41 assumed air core coil when he talked about current input when the magnet was approaching the coil (this was the reason for Localjoe's headups).  Sorry from both of you.

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« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2007, 04:35:07 PM »
Hi Peter,

Thanks for the explanation, I  did as a busy bee and "overexplained" it a little.  Probably because ruin41 assumed air core coil when he talked about current input when the magnet was approaching the coil (this was the reason for Localjoe's headups).  Sorry from both of you.

Gyula
I've been away for awhile but I am busy now building a new crankshaft for my Sotropa Motor. I find many similarities between it and the Adams Motor. Most important is the fact that neither can function properly without multiple magnets in the rotor.
Peter

 

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