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Author Topic: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)  (Read 44797 times)

gotoluc

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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #75 on: June 26, 2017, 03:48:43 PM »
Quote from: tinman on June 26, 2017, 03:44:05 PM
massless current ?

Are you referring to massless displacement current ?.

Brad

Hi Brad

If you read the first post much of the details are there.
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Luc
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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #76 on: June 26, 2017, 04:17:26 PM »
Quote from: gotoluc on June 26, 2017, 03:48:43 PM
Hi Brad

If you read the first post much of the details are there.
Regards
Luc

Ah,ok-so it is !massless displacement current! that is being referred too.
Quote:-In 1993 Tom Bearden came up with the idea of “Massless Displacement Current”. I was inspired by that.

I also see-Quote: My name is Tanju Argun and I have a Master’s degree in Electronics Engineering

One would think that being a master in electronic engineering,Tanju would also have mastered the art of accurate power measurements. But i see in a few of his post's that he is some what confused by his power measurements  :o

I hear a lot of talk about !cold! electricity  ???
What is !cold! electricity ?

There is also that !radiant! energy popping up again.

Are we talking Endothermic radiated energy here,where the system is drawing in energy radiated from outside source's,causing the system to cool?.

Looking forward to the scope shot's--they should tell a few stories.


Brad
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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #77 on: June 26, 2017, 04:21:23 PM »
Quote from: tinman on June 26, 2017, 03:44:05 PM
massless current ?

Are you referring to massless displacement current ?.


Brad

Yes "The Massless Displacement Current" of Tom Bearden.
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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #78 on: June 26, 2017, 04:36:41 PM »
Quote from: tinman on June 26, 2017, 04:17:26 PM
Ah,ok-so it is !massless displacement current! that is being referred too.
Quote:-In 1993 Tom Bearden came up with the idea of “Massless Displacement Current”. I was inspired by that.

I also see-Quote: My name is Tanju Argun and I have a Master’s degree in Electronics Engineering

One would think that being a master in electronic engineering,Tanju would also have mastered the art of accurate power measurements. But i see in a few of his post's that he is some what confused by his power measurements  :o

I hear a lot of talk about !cold! electricity  ???
What is !cold! electricity ?

There is also that !radiant! energy popping up again.

Are we talking Endothermic radiated energy here,where the system is drawing in energy radiated from outside source's,causing the system to cool?.

Looking forward to the scope shot's--they should tell a few stories.


Brad

Hi Brad
My degree is irrelevant! Because they dont teach these things in school!
Besides My degree is dated 1969, I dont know yor age but probably you were not born. I am a "Valve" man.
I am just a retired engineer of 70 years of age and trying to pass the the time for my remaining days reading TESLA, trying to learn things that they have not taught us.
So please bear with me or if you dont beleive in these things called free energy, zero point energy, radiant energy nobody forces you to be in this forum.
Please do not fiddle around with my "degree". Because I may take that as a rude insult.
Regards
Tanju
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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #79 on: June 26, 2017, 05:06:25 PM »
Quote from: Tanju on June 26, 2017, 04:36:41 PM
Hi Brad





Regards
Tanju

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My degree is irrelevant! Because they dont teach these things in school!

What thing's exactly ?

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Besides My degree is dated 1969, I dont know yor age but probably you were not born. I am a "Valve" man.

Yes,i existed back then,but only just.

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I am just a retired engineer of 70 years of age and trying to pass the the time for my remaining days reading TESLA,

Tesla was indeed a great man,and gave us many things--but free energy devices was not one of them,unless you count hydro driven turbines as free energy devices-as i do,along with solar panels.

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So please bear with me or if you dont beleive in these things called free energy, zero point energy, radiant energy nobody forces you to be in this forum.

I believe in free energy device's,such as those we have today--E.G solar panels.
Perhaps you mean !exotic energy device's! ?

What is !radiant! energy?

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Please do not fiddle around with my "degree". Because I may take that as a rude insult.

If your degree is !irrelevant!,then i see no cause for you to take anything as an insult-which it was not.

Anyway.like many before you,i wish you the best.


Brad
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TinselKoala

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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #80 on: June 26, 2017, 05:21:03 PM »
Quote from: Tanju on June 26, 2017, 01:56:28 PM
This is my output meter.

Thank you for posting your output meter's display. I note that it is showing just over 23 watts output.

I think you have mentioned before that the input power is 75 watts.  Is this the case when that output reading was taken?

Do you believe your device is overunity? That is, do you believe its average output power exceeds its average input power?

If so, what is the basis for your belief?


I agree with you, that your degree is irrelevant.

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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #81 on: June 26, 2017, 05:24:39 PM »
Dear Luc;
You invited me and therefore I am asking your permission to retire fom this forum.
Maybe I am not fit for this forum.
I do not have to be together with people asking questions like What is cold elecctricity? What is Radiant Energy?
These questions do not fit with the title of this forum.
These people know nothing about Nikola Tesla.
So please let me go back to my silent corner and try to continue with my works.
Thanks and regards

Tanju
P.S. I will not forget mind the sharks! But again my meat is old for those sharks.
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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #82 on: June 26, 2017, 05:30:34 PM »
Quote from: Tanju on June 24, 2017, 04:44:35 PM
I have not actually measured the mechanical power output. I dont have the means to do so. My 650 watts is calculation knowing the rpm . dimensions and weight of the flywheel you can reach angular
 momentum and moment of inertia thus power and energy. I know I can connect a pigtail generator. I know this because I almost lost my hand trying to handbrake the flywheel.
I do not have a generator or motor available and I dont have good mechanical construction skills. But I will do that.
Thanks
 Tanju

Could you please show your complete calculation working that results in your 650 watts output figure from your 33kg flywheel? Please be sure to include the "units" in your calculation so we can see exactly how you arrived at that figure.
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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #83 on: June 26, 2017, 05:34:33 PM »
Quote from: TinselKoala on June 26, 2017, 05:21:03 PM
Thank you for posting your output meter's display. I note that it is showing just over 23 watts output.

I think you have mentioned before that the input power is 75 watts.  Is this the case when that output reading was taken?

Do you believe your device is overunity? That is, do you believe its average output power exceeds its average input power?

If so, what is the basis for your belief?


I agree with you, that your degree is irrelevant.

I dont beleive in anything anymore!
All I know is. I have a gadget which convert my garden to daylight at night and for only 75 watt input. I could have achieved the same illuminance by installing 500 watts of bulbs maybe.
and that I have learnt quite a number of things in this forum during my short stay.
Thanks for your degrree comment
Regards
Tanju
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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #84 on: June 26, 2017, 05:44:39 PM »
Dear Tanju,

I apologize for Brad's (tinman) outburst. I'm surprised of his tone and disrespect towards a fellow researcher as Brad has been an alternative energy research for as long as I have been. If you look at his over 400 youtube videos https://www.youtube.com/user/TinManPower/videos  you will see that he is on a similar path of looking outside the box. However, he has come to his own conclusions (by experiments) that many of the jargon created by the more recent Urban Legends of free energy like Bearden, Bedini and so on, that their theories once fully built and tested don't prove to have anything new or advantageous over what conventional science has already put forward. I think that maybe over the years of experiments and disappointments it has affected Brad and frustrates him to see other new experimenters bring this back on the table.

I'm taking the time to explain in a nutshell where I think Brad may be coming from to help you understand that it's not personal. I can assure you he has done his homework and means well but could use a little polishing on his delivery.
Kind regards
Luc
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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #85 on: June 26, 2017, 05:47:16 PM »
Quote from: Tanju on June 26, 2017, 05:24:39 PM
Dear Luc;
You invited me and therefore I am asking your permission to retire fom this forum.
Maybe I am not fit for this forum.
I do not have to be together with people asking questions like What is cold elecctricity? What is Radiant Energy?
These questions do not fit with the title of this forum.
These people know nothing about Nikola Tesla.
So please let me go back to my silent corner and try to continue with my works.
Thanks and regards

Tanju
P.S. I will not forget mind the sharks! But again my meat is old for those sharks.

You are wrong that "these people know nothing about Nikola Tesla".  If you have confidence in your results you should not shy away from people questioning you and asking you for solid evidence for your claims. Perhaps instead of feeling attacked, you might consider this an opportunity to learn about some of those things that were not covered in your school experience, and even to teach some of us what _we_ might not know.

Would you not like to know whether or not you are wasting your remaining time and energy in your silent corner? Some of the people that are responding to you have many years experience in these matters and could perhaps help you better to understand your chosen field of research. You have already learned some things about LEDs, and perhaps if you continue discussions here you will learn some other things about flywheels and energy storage vs. power output.

Why do you shy away from people who want you to define the terms you are using? What is "cold electricity", what is "radiant energy", according to _YOU_? We have all read the opinions and writings of Tesla, Bedini, Bearden and others on these matters. Perhaps you can explain, according to you, how "radiant" and/or "cold" electricity from the Bedini section survives being rectified by diodes and smoothed by large filtering capacitors to produce such an impression of brilliance in your LEDs. Do you not have confidence in your results? Would you not like to know exactly what is happening in your device?
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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #86 on: June 26, 2017, 05:48:42 PM »
Quote from: TinselKoala on June 26, 2017, 05:30:34 PM
Could you please show your complete calculation working that results in your 650 watts output figure from your 33kg flywheel? Please be sure to include the "units" in your calculation so we can see exactly how you arrived at that figure.
Mass=33Kg
Radius=0.3 Meters
Rotation=200 RPM
Angular velocity=w=31.4 rad/sec
Angular Momentum= I=m*r2=2.97Kgm2
Kinetic Energy=0.5*I*w2=1464 Joules
Torque=Angular Acceleration* I
Power=Torque*W
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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #87 on: June 26, 2017, 06:01:22 PM »
Quote from: Tanju on June 26, 2017, 05:48:42 PM
Mass=33Kg
Radius=0.3 Meters
Rotation=200 RPM
Angular velocity=w=31.4 rad/sec
Angular Momentum= I=m*r2=2.97Kgm2
Kinetic Energy=0.5*I*w2=1464 Joules
Torque=Angular Acceleration* I
Power=Torque*W

Thanks for encouragement.
Let me correct the calculation this calculation was for 300 RPM which I was targetting to achieve. But at present ı am at 200 rpm angular velocity is less than 31.4
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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #88 on: June 26, 2017, 06:08:49 PM »
Quote from: Tanju on June 26, 2017, 06:01:22 PM
Thanks for encouragement.
Let me correct the calculation this calculation was for 300 RPM which I was targetting to achieve. But at present ı am at 200 rpm angular velocity is less than 31.4

You have not shown your _calculation_, you are only showing input data and results. Let me remind you that Watts = Joules PER SECOND.

If you put a light load on your 200 rpm flywheel, what happens? If you put a heavy load on your flywheel, what happens? Clearly, the power in watts depends on the time during which that stored energy of 1464 Joules is dissipated.

You can only justify the large wattage figure if your flywheel remains running at that same constant angular velocity while you are continuously drawing the wattage from it.  Does it?

You will note that when the flywheel is running at a constant angular velocity, the angular _acceleration_ is zero. Hence the result of
Torque = Angular Acceleration * I
is ....  zero.
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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #89 on: June 26, 2017, 06:18:25 PM »
Quote from: Tanju on June 26, 2017, 05:24:39 PM
Dear Luc;
You invited me and therefore I am asking your permission to retire fom this forum.
Maybe I am not fit for this forum.
I do not have to be together with people asking questions like What is cold elecctricity? What is Radiant Energy?
These questions do not fit with the title of this forum.
These people know nothing about Nikola Tesla.
So please let me go back to my silent corner and try to continue with my works.
Thanks and regards

Tanju

P.S. I will not forget mind the sharks! But again my meat is old for those sharks.
Dear Tanju,
Please feel free to take leave at any time you wish as you own us nothing.
Building something just to have others dissect it is difficult. It's like seeing your own child's beliefs being questioned by a stranger.
I understand if you wish not to participate or need to take a break as it's a lot to take in when dealing with professional individuals like TinselKoala who has over 730 videos: https://www.youtube.com/user/TinselKoala  of builds and tests of different energy solutions and was professionally hired to evaluate many Free Energy Devices for decades.
Please take a little time off if you wish and or consider some of our test or experiment suggestions as we will be happy to help based on our own experiments and experience.
Kind regards
Luc
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