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Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« on: June 24, 2017, 12:28:51 AM »
Hi everyone,

Today I found an interesting youtube video demo by Tanju Argun
I have invited Tanju to join this forum to further discus his device and measurements.
I will closely monitor this topic so it stays on topic and posts are respectful. Anything other will be edited or deleted out.
Please feel free to post your questions which once answered I will add to the Q&A list at the bottom this post so we can easily find them in one place.
Please take your time to read below details and answers to see if your question can be answered, if not, write your questions with clarity and minimal words.

Thanks

Link to Tanju's video demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70_xKJh91eE

Youtube video details by Tanju:
Hi Guys!
First of all, let me assure you that this is not one of those “fake videos” on radiant energy.
Please trust me. I am not after fame at this age of 70. I just want to share my discoveries.
My name is Tanju Argun and I have a Master’s degree in Electronics Engineering.
What we have here is an “Overunity” Device, Thanks to Nicola Tesla (Our Father), Tom Bearden and John Bedini.
Here we have an Input Power of Half Paid 75 Watts. (Half Paid because during the day battery is charged by my solar panels. Plus, I have the input power from the gravitational energy of a 33 Kgm fywheel’s Moment Of Inertia. Also, there are 12 neodymium (Nd) power magnets on the rim of the flywheel all facing North.
The output is an “UNBELIAVABLE” 270 Watts Electrical PLUS 650 watts of mechanical power.
Those 15 20 Watt Power LED s each delivering 18 Watts, plus a rotating shaft with a torque of 50 Newton-meters where you can attach an extra generator.
How do we achieve this? What are we doing to upset “The Conservation of Energy Law”?
We are not upsetting the law. The difference between the output and the input power is compensated by radiant energy of our open system.
Of Course, the gravitational power of the flywheel contributes a lot but it is not the major contributor.
In 1993 Tom Bearden came up with the idea of “Massless Displacement Current”. I was inspired by that.
As you might know there is a process called “The Skin Effect” where Electrons, before forming a current, must travel from the center of a conductor to the peripheric rim to travel. The time, the electrons traverse from center to the rim is called the” Relaxation Time”. We are talking Microseconds here.
So, what I am simply doing here is, just letting a big Capacitor to sniff the Potential of a 24 volts Battery for only 100 Microseconds. During these 100 microseconds, electrons start to move to outside perimeter of the conductor to start the current. But unfortunate for them time is not enough to form the current. Instead those trapped electrons just attain a “Potential Gradient “across them. So, the capacitor gets the Potential Difference across it with minimum current, which is called the “Massless Displacement Current”.
In analogy; the young man “the capacitor”, just catches -a glimpse of a passing by super-mini skirted young lady- “the battery”.
Capacitor is loaded with minimum power.
Ideal case is to use iron wire or doped conductors and plates to block the electrons from forming a current by increasing the “Relaxation Time”.
After 100 microseconds, the Mosfet switch (Blue) opens and disconnects the battery from the capacitor.
Another Mosfet switch (Yellow) closes and connects the loaded capacitor to the load for just 1 millisecond (In our case the load is the Bedini wheels and Coils).
After that millisecond when both Blue and Yellow switches open, this time the Red mosfet switch connects the charger to the battery when nothing else is connected. Red switch connection time is adjustable.
All these timing operations and void loop is controlled by an Arduino Uno micro-computer composed of a simple sketch of time delays.
And here you can see the real circuitry.
If you need more details please do not hesitate to contact me on my e-mail tanjuargun [at] gmail.com and subscribe to my channel for further device videos on free energy.


Basic details from Tanju:
Hi everybody
Thank you all for the interest in my project,
I will try to answer your questions but please bear in mind that, it is still in evolution and I am changing and trying new ideas everyday.
Since I posted the video I have increased the number of PowerLeds to 21  (7 parallel branches 3 series in each)
The device gives an output voltage of 80 volts so 80/3 is across each LED, (T hese LED s are 28 volt 20 Watt (spec))
I can measure the input power accurately but the output power not so accurate ,input power from the battery is 75 watts.
I have problems measuring the output. (Cold electricity), I will try to measure the Lumens of Leds and convert it to power somehow but yet I dont know how to do that.
By the way 21 LEDs give an incredible projector illumination and they do not get hot. There are no heatsinks on powerLeds.
The 80 v0lt output is collected from the Bedini coil transistors collector diodes. There are 4 coils on the main wheel which is also the 33 Kg Flywheel.
The other two wheels (Bicycle and wooden) are energised from one of the coils of the main wheel.
The Flwheel is very powerful. Once it attains max speed very difficult to stop. Definitely not by hand braking!
The main wheel coils are energized from the voltage (24 volts) across the capacitor which is intermittent and alternately connecting to the load and battery .
100 Microseconds to Battery then 1 milliseconds to the load. These time delays depend on the conductive material or capacitor u use.
In my case I am using a rusty wire (iron). To increase the relaxation time. I am am still playig with those time delays to achieve the minimum power from battery with maximum voltage.
Changing the time delays easy because I am using an Arduino uno controlling the Mosfet switches which connect the capacitor to load and battery alternately.
Thank you. I will give more details in time
Tanju

Other Questions and Answers by Tanju:

Q: Are the output LED's Powered directly by coils Inductive discharge (flyback) DC spikes or are the discharge spikes smoothed by a capacitor?
A: The coil Inductive discharge (flyback) output are connected to 66000uf capacitor which the 21 power LED load are continuously connected to.

Q: Are the output power LED's connected in Series?
A: The 21 power LED's are connected 3 in series x 7 parallel branches connected to 66000uf capacitor maintained at 80vdc.

Updated Schematic to come:
« Last Edit: June 25, 2017, 05:04:11 PM by gotoluc »

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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2017, 02:59:10 AM »
I have some questions about the output mechanical power measurement. And of course the usual questions/challenges about self-looping.

What happens when you put a genuine 3/4 horsepower load on the shaft of the heavy flywheel, using for example a prony brake or other dissipative system?

If it is really producing 650 watts of mechanical power you should be able to connect an off-the-shelf windmill-type generator of, say, 80 percent efficiency, and then loop that back to the input of the system and it should keep running forever, without _any_ conventional source of power like batteries, mains, or solar panels. Does it?

If not, how long does it take to run down and stop? 

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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2017, 03:09:06 AM »
With all due respect to the designer Tanju, I have the same query as TK.  BTW, thank you for sharing and well done on your work (even if not OU)

Scientific query.......Why bother with the Solar aspect and the Bedini portion as this is totally unnecessary for OU (if it exists in this prototype)??

Running a battery at the front end and with those claimed numbers, you should be able to easily have a minimum 1.8 batteries charged up at the output. and just keep cycling or add more circuits to pyramid the output.

Look forward to hearing whether you have achieved this or whether the measurements are just on paper.

LED lighting as a load is not a terribly accurate indication of output either.

Oceans

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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2017, 03:09:06 AM »
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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2017, 11:17:24 AM »
Hi everybody
Thank you all for the interst in my project,
I will try to answer your questions but please bear in mind that, it is still in evolution and I am changing and trying new ideas everyday.
Since I posted the video I have increased the number of PowerLeds to 21  (7 parallel branches 3 series in each)
The device gives an output voltage of 80 volts so 80/3 is across each LED, (T hese LED s are 28 volt 20 Watt (spec))
I can measure the input power accurately but the output power not so accurate ,input power from the battery is 75 watts.
I have problems measuring the output. (Cold electricity), I will try to measure the Lumens of Leds and convert it to power somehow but yet I dont know how to do that.
By the way 21 LEDs give an incredible projector illumination and they do not get hot. There are no heatsinks on powerLeds.
The 80 v0lt output is collected from the Bedini coil transistors collector diodes. There are 4 coils on the main wheel which is also the 33 Kg Flywheel.
The other two wheels (Bicycle and wooden) are energised from one of the coils of the main wheel.
The Flwheel is very powerful. Once it attains max speed very difficult to stop. Definitely not by hand braking!
The main wheel coils are energised fom the voltage( 24 vols) across the capacitor wvich is intermittendly and alternately connecting to the load and battery .
100 Microseconds to Battery then 1 milliseconds to the load. These time delays depend on the conductive material or capacitor u use.
In my case I am using a rusty wire (iron). To increase the relaxation time. I am am still playig with those time delays to achieve the minimum power from battery with maximum voltage.
Changing the time delays easy because I am using an Arduino uno controlling the Mosfet switches which connect the capacitor to load and battery alternately.
Thank you. I will give more details in time
Tanju

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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2017, 11:33:42 AM »
With all due respect to the designer Tanju, I have the same query as TK.  BTW, thank you for sharing and well done on your work (even if not OU)

Scientific query.......Why bother with the Solar aspect and the Bedini portion as this is totally unnecessary for OU (if it exists in this prototype)??

Running a battery at the front end and with those claimed numbers, you should be able to easily have a minimum 1.8 batteries charged up at the output. and just keep cycling or add more circuits to pyramid the output.

Look forward to hearing whether you have achieved this or whether the measurements are just on paper.

LED lighting as a load is not a terribly accurate indication of output either.

Oceans

The answer to this is that it is the Bedini wheel and the powerful Neo magnets which gives the rotational force. Thus getting the 80 volt output from the  back emf of the coils. Without the Bedini it is not possible. Solar is just for adding the missing charge to the battery. But actually you may be right with just the massless displacement portion you may be able to charge small batteries without rotation.
Tanju
« Last Edit: June 24, 2017, 02:41:07 PM by gotoluc »

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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2017, 03:09:11 PM »
I can measure the input power accurately but the output power not so accurate ,input power from the battery is 75 watts.
I have problems measuring the output.

Dear Tanju,
Please understand that using LED's to visually measure output power on a Overunity device is not an acceptable power measurement method since your output is most likely sharp high voltage DC spikes collected form the coils inductive discharge Diode when Coils are switched off. Using LED's as output load with high DC Voltage Pulses will fool your visual capabilities giving an appearance the LED's are fully lit but it's not the case as your eye cannot tell the LED's off times at frequencies in the kHz range. This resulting in very inaccurate (non linear) power assessment and a hint as to why the LED's are not getting warm compared to using DC to power them.
Consider instead of LED's on the output adding a large capacitor of 20,000uf or more with the appropriate Load Resistor to achieve desired DC output voltage. Once all the inductive discharge pulses get smoothed out to DC in the capacitor you will know the correct output Voltage and if you you know the Load Resistor value you will know exactly how many Watts your output is. Without this you are guessing at best.

Kind regards

Luc

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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2017, 04:30:13 PM »
Dear Tanju,
Please understand that using LED's to visually measure output power on a Overunity device is not an acceptable power measurement method since your output is most likely sharp high voltage DC spikes collected form the coils inductive discharge Diode when Coils are switched off. Using LED's as output load with high voltage Pulses will fool your visual capabilities giving an appearance the LED's are fully lit but it's not the case as your eye cannot tell the off times at frequencies in the kHz range. This resulting in very inaccurate power assessment and a hint as to why the LED's are not getting warm like using DC to power them.
Consider instead of LED's on the output adding a large capacitor of 20,000uf or more with the appropriate Load Resistor to achieve desired output voltage. Once all the inductive discharge pulses get smoothed out to DC in the capacitor you will know the Voltage and if you you know the Load Resistor value you will know exactly how many Watts your output is. Without this you are guessing at best.

Kind regards

Luc

I already have a second big capacitor which smooths all spikes so the led power is solid 80 volt dc from that capacitor.

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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2017, 04:38:45 PM »
I already have a second big capacitor which smooths all spikes so the led power is solid 80 volt dc from that capacitor.

Thanks for confirming this Tanju... that's good news because that's one of the biggest problems with OU claims.
Can you tell us the value of your output smoothing capacitor.
Can you also test the output using a Load Resistor (about 25 Ohms) to give 270 Watts at 80vdc instead of the LED's and report the results.
Maybe a water heating element can be used as power resistor?

Thanks for your time.

Luc

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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2017, 04:44:35 PM »
With all due respect to the designer Tanju, I have the same query as TK.  BTW, thank you for sharing and well done on your work (even if not OU)

Scientific query.......Why bother with the Solar aspect and the Bedini portion as this is totally unnecessary for OU (if it exists in this prototype)??

Running a battery at the front end and with those claimed numbers, you should be able to easily have a minimum 1.8 batteries charged up at the output. and just keep cycling or add more circuits to pyramid the output.

Look forward to hearing whether you have achieved this or whether the measurements are just on paper.

LED lighting as a load is not a terribly accurate indication of output either.

Oceans

I have not actually measured the mechanical power output. I dont have the means to do so. My 650 watts is calculation knowing the rpm . dimensions and weight of the flywheel you can reach angular
 momentum and moment of inertia thus power and energy. I know I can connect a pigtail generator. I know this because I almost lost my hand trying to handbrake the flywheel.
I do not have a generator or motor available and I dont have good mechanical construction skills. But I will do that.
Thanks
 Tanju

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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2017, 04:46:51 PM »
Luc,

here the circuit from the video:

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« Last Edit: June 26, 2017, 03:54:42 PM by gotoluc »

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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2017, 05:03:23 PM »
The final output capacitor which feeds the Leds (80 volts is 66000 Micro (2 times 33000)
The schematic from the video is a bit old there are some  changes, I will post final schematic later. Once it is final because I am still playing with it.
But basic concept is the same. You see-saw a capacitor between BEDİNİ LOAD AND A 24 VOLT BATTERY alternatelyş
Bedini circuit is modified. The collector output diodes connect to 66000 micro cap pos terminal, neg terminal  of cap to a diode and to ground.
It is across this cap the 80 volts feeding the powerLEDs.
Note When you put this capacitor you dont need the neon lamps which protect the transistors in original Bedini.
tanju

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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2017, 05:24:58 PM »
Hi Tanju and all,


thanks for sharing your setup. Since you have a cap on the output, even just measuring output amps and volts should give a decent idea of the output power you are achieving in the load leds.


regards,
Mario

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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2017, 05:27:12 PM »
Hello Tanju,
could you post the program code for arduino ?

Thanx

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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2017, 05:37:17 PM »
My Problem is: I cannot see the current , just milliamps.
When I connect  1 (One) LED to   a 28 volt power supply I read 0.7 Amps and it gets real hot.
But when I connect 21 LEDs to my system I get the same illumination level on each LED  (LUMENS) but the current I measure is only .30 Amps for all 21 LEDs and no heat!
Tanju

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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2017, 05:38:24 PM »
The final output capacitor which feeds the Leds (80 volts is 66000 Micro (2 times 33000)
When I connect 1 (One) LED to a 28 volt power supply I read 0.7 Amps and it gets real hot.
But when I connect 21 LEDs to my system I get the same illumination level on each LED (LUMENS) but the current I measure is only .30 Amps for all 21 LEDs and no heat!

Are the LED's continuously powered by the 80 vdc 66000uf capacitor or are the LED's momentarily powered on by a mosfet switch?

The schematic from the video is a bit old there are some  changes, I will post final schematic later. Once it is final because I am still playing with it.

When you have a schematic update I can update it to the first post so all can easily find it.

Thanks

Luc

 

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