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Author Topic: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)  (Read 19280 times)

Offline Tanju

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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2017, 10:17:08 PM »
That Sea Monkey must be one of the "Conservatives". He thinks ı dont have a scope. I dont know how to measure current with an MSc in Electronics, thinks my leds are pulsed..
He is right on one thing I dont have a proper lıght meter because ı never needed it till now!
And he is right about loaded shaft.But he must have missed the part where I said " I was almost losing my hand trying to stop the flywheel."
Whateve,r even though the loaded shaft power dops to 100 watts (assuming) is it sill  not OU. forget the bonus of LEDs

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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2017, 10:21:53 PM »
hi tanju,  good work.
not sure if adding equipmet for measurring will be to the satisfaction/proove of ou  , best is find a way to loop it back to the source
rgds,
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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2017, 10:32:44 PM »
hi tanju,  good work.
not sure if adding equipmet for measurring will be to the satisfaction/proove of ou  , best is find a way to loop it back to the source
rgds,
spark

Thank you,
Actually there is also a loopback I forgot to mention The bicycle chain seen in the video is connected to a 110 volt dc motor which is energised by the same 80 volts feeding the LEDs
This motor helps kicking the flywheel from time to time.Thus the flywheel is always at constant speed.. So it is not exactly as sea monkey thinks . Shaft power loaded will not reduce drastically.
regards
Tanju

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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2017, 10:32:44 PM »
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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2017, 10:33:37 PM »


Could the used LEDs be something like this:

http://www.kosmodrom.com.ua/pdf/ARPL-20W.pdf

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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2017, 10:51:09 PM »
Thank you,
Actually there is also a loopback I forgot to mention The bicycle chain seen in the video is connected to a 110 volt dc motor which is energised by the same 80 volts feeding the LEDs
This motor helps kicking the flywheel from time to time.Thus the flywheel is always at constant speed.. So it is not exactly as sea monkey thinks . Shaft power loaded will not reduce drastically.
regards
Tanju

Okay, this is new information!
I know I said we will be looking at the electrical side first but I think this qualifies as an electrical component of the device. So since we didn't know about it I have a few questions if you don't mind.
Why did you add this DC motor?
What happens when you remove it?
Did it improve the COP of the device?
It must be at an rpm where it's generator action is mostly neutralized?

Thanks

Luc

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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2017, 10:51:09 PM »
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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2017, 11:01:08 PM »
I will be doing the pure resistance experiment tomorrow because it is midnight here now.
LED spec says 28-30 volts and 700 miliamperes. That gives me an internal resistance of  40 ohms. 3 in series is 120 ohms and 7 parallel branches give me an overall internal resistance of 120/7= 17.14 ohms
So instead of the LEDs I will connect a 17 ohm resistor and see what happens.
I must also mention another peculiar thing which I witnessed.  In the video I have 15 LEDS and my my output current was still 0.3 Amps I later added 2 more parallel branches which brought the LED qty to 21.
And to my surprise the current did not increase. Does this prove that radiant energy "loves" load????

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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #36 on: June 24, 2017, 11:17:07 PM »
Okay, this is new information!
I know I said we will be looking at the electrical side first but I think this qualifies as an electrical component of the device. So since we didn't know about it I have a few questions if you don't mind.
Why did you add this DC motor?
What happens when you remove it?
Did it improve the COP of the device?
It must be at an rpm where it's generator action is mostly neutralized?

Thanks

Luc

OK It is new for the forum but it was there in the video.
I added the motor because originally the Bedini RPM was lower than expected and another purpose hand start was difficult  33 Kg flywheel, so I thougt it would be a good starter for Flywheel Bedini.
But later , things improved and my RPM with unloaded shaft increased to 200 and stayed constant even without the motor operating. So I put a switch  "monkey" switch. I am keeping the motor for the days when I will have a loaded shaft. Nothing happens when I remove (switch off) the motor. COP does not change.
« Last Edit: June 25, 2017, 05:26:59 PM by gotoluc »

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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #36 on: June 24, 2017, 11:17:07 PM »
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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #37 on: June 24, 2017, 11:28:30 PM »
I will be doing the pure resistance experiment tomorrow because it is midnight here now.

Thank you Tanju for your help and participation. We appreciate it.
I may come across like I'm controlling the topic and I can back off if you wish but I've seen so many topics get out of control over the years and I don't want to see it happen to you.
Trust me, the sharks haven't yet come in as the topic says "moderated" but if you want me to back off they may come. Let me know what you wish.

LED spec says 28-30 volts and 700 miliamperes. That gives me an internal resistance of  40 ohms. 3 in series is 120 ohms and 7 parallel branches give me an overall internal resistance of 120/7= 17.14 ohms
So instead of the LEDs I will connect a 17 ohm resistor and see what happens.

Sounds great! thanks for taking the time to do this. Looking forward to the results

I must also mention another peculiar thing which I witnessed.  In the video I have 15 LEDS and my my output current was still 0.3 Amps I later added 2 more parallel branches which brought the LED qty to 21.
And to my surprise the current did not increase. Does this prove that radiant energy "loves" load?

I wonder if the  DC motor and Flywheel combination is somehow equalizing things. Still much to understand.

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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #38 on: June 24, 2017, 11:31:52 PM »

Could the used LEDs be something like this:

http://www.kosmodrom.com.ua/pdf/ARPL-20W.pdf

Itsu

Yes quiet similar exept the forward voltage limits are 28-32 a little bit lower than the one you post.

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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #38 on: June 24, 2017, 11:31:52 PM »
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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #39 on: June 24, 2017, 11:40:03 PM »
Thank you Tanju for your help and participation. We appreciate it.
I may come across like I'm controlling the topic and I can back off if you wish but I've seen so many topics get out of control over the years and I don't want to see it happen to you.
Trust me, the sharks haven't yet come in as the topic says "moderated" but if you want me to back off they may come. Let me know what you wish.

Sounds great! thanks for taking the time to do this. Looking forward to the results.

I wonder somehow if the  DC motor and Flywheel combination is somehow equalizing things. Still much to understand .

First of all I thank you for inviting me to this forum. I am happy you are moderating. I humbly try to opensource my experiences. Many things that I cannot explain. Maybe this forum will enlighten us. And I dont like the expression "Claming for Overunity" Because I am not claiming anything.
Thank you again for your efforts to sustain the sea animals ,oh sorry you said Sharks!

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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #40 on: June 25, 2017, 12:41:08 AM »
Found some Arduino Lux Sensors if anyone is interested to add to their capabilities of measuring light:
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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #40 on: June 25, 2017, 12:41:08 AM »
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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #41 on: June 25, 2017, 10:17:06 AM »
I had a thought : if the current used to light those leds is really that small then it will be interesting to test how much smaller wire diameter is possible to use here without heat damage ?

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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #42 on: June 25, 2017, 06:00:25 PM »

Thank you,
Actually there is also a loopback I forgot to mention The bicycle chain seen in the video is connected to a 110 volt dc motor which is energised by the same 80 volts feeding the LEDs
This motor helps kicking the flywheel from time to time.Thus the flywheel is always at constant speed.. So it is not exactly as sea monkey thinks . Shaft power loaded will not reduce drastically.
regards
Tanju

Okay, this is new information!
I know I said we will be looking at the electrical side first but I think this qualifies as an electrical component of the device. So since we didn't know about it I have a few questions if you don't mind.
Why did you add this DC motor?
What happens when you remove it?
Did it improve the COP of the device?
It must be at an rpm where it's generator action is mostly neutralized?
Thanks
Luc

OK It is new for the forum but it was there in the video.
I added the motor because originally the Bedini RPM was lower than expected and another purpose hand start was difficult  33 Kg flywheel, so I thougt it would be a good starter for Flywheel Bedini.
But later , things improved and my RPM with unloaded shaft increased to 200 and stayed constant even without the motor operating. So I put a switch  "monkey" switch. I am keeping the motor for the days when I will have a loaded shaft. Nothing happens when I remove (switch off) the motor. COP does not change.
regards
Tanju

Good day Tanju,

I'm assuming the 110 Volt DC Motor you have connected to the flywheel is a permanent magnet motor, is this correct?
If so, it's great to have it there as it can serve many purposes, one being a dyno load test to measure the flywheel continuous output capabilities.
The other could be to use it as an Isolated output to feed back to the input to see if it can keep the input batteries charged.

I'm just thinking of different possibilities that could be done when you feel ready to do so and I'm sure you have already though of these possibilities.
Looking forward on your resistor load test results.

Regards

Luc

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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #43 on: June 25, 2017, 06:34:10 PM »
Some of my fellow researchers from another Research Forum are having issues loging into this forum.

The below is a copy and paste of questions and concerns they have written to date:

TinselKoala [24|Jun 06:29 PM]:   Luc, please point out to Tanju and everyone else who may care, that once a flywheel is running at a constant speed with no shaft load, the only power it dissipates is that required to overcome bearing friction and windage.

partzman [24|Jun 09:28 PM]:   Luc, my question for Tanju was going to be "What voltage level does the capacitor charged from 'massless current' reach and how does it compare with a normal time constant calc?".

TinselKoala [24|Jun 10:00 PM]:   Further, he says his LEDs are not flickering, and offers the LDR resistance as evidence of equal light output. OK, so let's see a _scope trace_ proving that the LDR is seeing a steady, nonflickering light output from the LED.

TinselKoala [24|Jun 10:35 PM]:   Note what the WIKI says about photoresistor latency and stability. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...esistor "unsuitable for sensing rapidly flashing lights" and "unsuitable for applications requiring precise measurement of or sensitivity to light photons"

TinselKoala [24|Jun 10:40 PM]:   However he claims that his filtering capacitors are assuring straight DC power to his LEDs. Why then do they not heat up? This is a real issue that must be resolved by proper measurements.

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Re: Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)
« Reply #44 on: June 25, 2017, 08:25:24 PM »
Good day Tanju,

I'm assuming the 110 Volt DC Motor you have connected to the flywheel is a permanent magnet motor, is this correct?
If so, it's great to have it there as it can serve many purposes, one being a dyno load test to measure the flywheel continuous output capabilities.
The other could be to use it as an Isolated output to feed back to the input to see if it can keep the input batteries charged.

I'm just thinking of different possibilities that could be done when you feel ready to do so and I'm sure you have already though of these possibilities.
Looking forward on your resistor load test results.

Regards

Luc

I made the pure resistance tests as promised  and I am even more confused now, but let me answer your motor question first
Yes it is a dc motor 110 v0lts and can also be used as a generator. And I tried that , but I could not get more than 13 volts with the 200 rpm I have and the bicycle chain ratio I have . Those gears  are two straight gears (no gearbox). In order to use it to charge back my battery I must increase it to more than 26 volts.

Now, the pure resistance load test:
I had only 11 Watt stone resistors available so I tested with 3 resistors
100 Ohms Voltage drops to 54 v0lts and the current I measur is the obvious natural 540milliamps. PLUS HEAT
20 OHMs Voltage drops to 30 volts The current is 1.5 Amperes MORE HEAT!
10 Ohms Voltage drops to 24 volts Current 2.4 Amperes MORE! MORE Heat!
Then I went back tomy 3by7 Led array 80 volts 300 milliamps NO HEAT and More and MOre LIGHT!
I am pissed off!


 

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