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Offline Bessler007

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Re: Testatika small machine testbed
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2008, 11:43:08 AM »
Not exactly it but here's an interesting link:

http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/electrostatic.html

Hi, I'am trying to find this book "Electrical Influence Machines" related to the Pidgeon machine that looks like a testatika, I want to understand how it work, but i cannot find the book on the net, I see one site where you can buy but you need to read it online, Since i hate staying in front of the computer to read stuff like that, I prefer to print it, So is someone know a link or have the orignal doc in PDF format?

Thanks

http://books.google.com/books?id=inhPAAAAMAAJ&printsec=titlepage#PPP3,M1



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electrostatic_generator_patents
« Last Edit: January 11, 2008, 01:19:25 PM by Bessler007 »

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Re: Testatika small machine testbed
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Re: Testatika small machine testbed
« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2008, 03:57:49 PM »
Thank you Steve that was what i was looking for. I was meeting a collige last nite and met some folks form Finland and Norway they are in the finance biz , what was interesting ,I asked them about ever going the Methernika , Swiss and they said yes ...

Thanks Mike. Amazing coincedence. I guess if we want to see the machine we just need to do business with Methernitha. Keep us posted.
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Re: Testatika small machine testbed
« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2008, 10:52:36 PM »
Update - Ok I had the chance to get the disks moved closer together tihs morrning and it runs great !! just need to update the small drive belt I'm useing a hair scrungie , sence I cut my hair off they make neat drive belts  ;D  on to the collectors next  ...good Ion smell comeing off the disks

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Re: Testatika small machine testbed
« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2008, 10:52:36 PM »
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Re: Testatika small machine testbed
« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2008, 02:55:51 AM »
Update - Ok I had the chance to get the disks moved closer together tihs morrning and it runs great !! just need to update the small drive belt I'm useing a hair scrungie , sence I cut my hair off they make neat drive belts  ;D  on to the collectors next  ...good Ion smell comeing off the disks

Hi,

What kind of materials did you use for the discs? both the same, or based on the Triboelectric series?

I have build it almost on the attic, but i have a problem with the tempature, sometimes its very cold there, and another time its less cold. and then the discs crimps more then the lamels, so some lamels felt from the discs.
So i have to move it to another room on the first floor. but that room is fulled by a bath for the bathroom. lol.
And 2 januari our sun is born, so very busy at the moment. ( every 4 houres feeding )

But I have allready setup one disc ( vinyl ) and works fine with rotating. ( I use 2 bearings for one disc ). and it rotate very straight ( one meter disc's ) so I want to use a distance about 4 mm between the disc's.

I can also get the long glass tubes, but they are very expensive ( one tube 120 cm long , and 7 cm in diameter cost about 80 euro's ) LoL

Greetings Peter from Holland.

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Re: Testatika small machine testbed
« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2008, 07:43:15 PM »
The Disks are Polycarbonate ( Lexan ) 51cm , useing copper foil on front disk and aluminum foil tape on the back disk

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Re: Testatika small machine testbed
« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2008, 08:14:49 PM »
The Disks are Polycarbonate ( Lexan ) 51cm , useing copper foil on front disk and aluminum foil tape on the back disk

Ah ok, and the static is generated by the brushes? like the wimhurst machine?

Peter

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Re: Testatika small machine testbed
« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2008, 02:09:31 AM »
Oh no- No Brushes or gum belts at the moment, just running by the disks prouduceing ion , lite smell of the feild produceing ions , it is raining today and cool temps .

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Re: Testatika small machine testbed
« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2008, 03:43:10 AM »
Ah thx for your answer.
That is good, that the discs are getting static by his own. and not by brushes.

Peter

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Re: Testatika small machine testbed
« Reply #38 on: February 05, 2008, 03:07:17 AM »
Up date - new devlopment with the Polycarbonate  (Lexa disks) , It seens the Ion or Ozone is starting to detierate the front belt hub and the mounting screw holes. I haven't tryed to pull power off the disks so this is what may have lead to the early detieroateion of the parts. Mike

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Re: Testatika small machine testbed
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Re: Testatika small machine testbed
« Reply #39 on: February 20, 2008, 06:36:19 AM »
Hi Motorcoach1,
looks good.
Now you need to pulse via corona dischare some
granite rocks in a Leyden Jar,
cause the original Testatika runs on excited radioactive Beta
Decay probably from natural granite or mountain crystal rocks
that contain a lot of Kalium 40,which can be excited to decay much
faster via RF high Voltage pulses.

Good luck.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Testatika small machine testbed
« Reply #40 on: February 21, 2008, 12:01:50 AM »
Nice build Motorcoach.

I would like to offer some advice to anybody trying to replicate.

It is obvious the machine as a whole resembles a Whimhurst machine !!   As such, the principles involved should first be understood, before other exotic notions are entertained. 

Take a look at this link to see how a wimhurst machine operates.  http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/whyhow.html   

Here's a paragraph from this link that's revealing:
 
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The output current of a Wimshurst machine depends essentially on the area of the ring occupied by the disks and on the rotation speed. See how. The machine acts as a current source for a load connected to its terminals, including losses by internal corona and sparking. Curiously, only one disk contributes to the output current, because if the charge of one sector is removed by a charge collector, the potential at the corresponding sector in the other disk decreases due to the relatively high capacitance between the disks, and the potential difference between this sector and the charge collector becomes too small for a discharge across the air interval separating them. It is possible to collect charge from just one disk instead of from both disks. The obtained current is a good fraction of the regular output due to the same effect. It is even possible to eliminate the neutralizer from the side where current is taken, with the output circuit serving as neutralizer, but in this case the machine is less reliable, requiring a short-circuit at the output for startup.

Note that the machine is a current source.  As we know,  a current source produces the most power when going into a high impedance load.     P = I^2 R,  where "I" is the current, and 'R' the load resistance.   So the higher the impedance of the load the more power is delivered.  Another way to think about this is to realize that with a high impedance we have a huge voltage given the same current, or V = I x R,  so it's good to build up high voltage.

The real inovations of the Testatika, over the well known Wimhurst machine,  seems to be the following:

1)  Improved charge carriers  (plates don't carry as much charge as grills, so grills are better)

2)  Use of the high voltage developed, to drive and turn the machine. Not by electrostatic means, but by electromagnetic means, using magnets and coils and comutators.

3)  Matching of the load impedance to the source impedance of the machine.  This is the most crucial.  One spark and all the built up energy goes wasting as heat.

The most important aspect seems to be #3.  If this can be acomplished then #2 can be acomplished.  #1 is a no brainer.

So the real question is how to effectively use high voltage static electricity?
Inductors come to mind. A quick contact to an inductor would build up magnetic fields and discharge the main capacitors in a controled manner.  This is just a start.   Diodes can be involved of course as we keep hearing about "rocks" from Stefan.

To me, overunity was always associated with the Wimhurst machines.  Studying their balanced design and the ingenous induction principle always conviced me that they were special.

So here is a test:

1)   Ramp up a Wimhurst machine to high voltage and connect across a voltage divider made with resistors.  Choose realy high total resistance like   100 M ohms.

2)  Then measure acurately the speed of the shaft and the torque on the input shaft to get an idea of the Power Input.

3)  Calculate the Power Output from the voltage divider.        

This should show if Pout is greater then Pin.  If it is not, increase the resistor value even more.  The voltage will only build up higher and higher up to breakdown.  A good design will have a high breakdown voltage hence a great performance !!

EM

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Re: Testatika small machine testbed
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Re: Testatika small machine testbed
« Reply #41 on: February 25, 2008, 05:36:52 AM »
Hello all,
I've been looking on the net for quite a while and the best site fort info and pics I have found on the testatika machine is here, this cleared up many of my ????? on the subject. Ihope this helps someone, it did me
                             Michael


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Re: Testatika small machine testbed
« Reply #42 on: April 02, 2008, 02:27:35 AM »
FYI Today, I tested my single disk small machine with vinyl sheets
on the back. The output for the tests were the side antenna keys
w.r.t. ground. There's a big difference in measured voltage when
I let the vinyl sit for a while and let the charge dissipates from
when I rub the vinyl with my hand. See:
 http://rimstar.org/sdenergy/testa/smallmach2_test3_vinyl1.htm
This was all as expected based on my older tests with a vinyl
record for the back disk of my two disk machine but I had to
try it. I tend to think that the whole backing plate is vinyl
and that the two plates on the back are metal but what I did
today was a simple test.
-Steve
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Re: Testatika small machine testbed
« Reply #43 on: April 09, 2008, 02:43:39 AM »
Thanks Steve for this report,
but your output is only in the 300 milliVolt range.
How much current could you draw from it ?

Regarding:
http://rimstar.org/sdenergy/testa/testamagseries2.htm

you need to have glimmer or other K40 isotope  (Potassium40) containing material
which is excited from the capacitor plates and the magnetic fields.

The Testika is really a magnetic and electrical field excited radioactive decay accelerated
machine.
This way the accelerated radioactive decay is converted to electricity.

As you see yourself with your experiments, the electrostatic and magnetic effects
alone are just too small to get any usefull power output.

The huge power output can only be explained by exciting the mountain crystals
inside their backside Leyden jar capacitors and between their horseshoe magnets
and releasing Beta radiation= free electrons
which produce the huge power output.

This is also the only logical explanation for the huge power output
and Mr. Bosshard always said: "The secret is in the crystals".

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Testatika small machine testbed
« Reply #44 on: April 09, 2008, 06:53:27 PM »
Hi Stefan,

Thanks Steve for this report,
but your output is only in the 300 milliVolt range.
How much current could you draw from it ?

I didn't measure current and I'm sure it would be very small, probably too small for my meter. But the point was just to show that with the disk as a variable capacitor, using a triboelectrically charged backing gives significantly higher voltage at the antenna keys. It was only to test that one small piece of the puzzle. I didn't think it was the source of the testatika's high power output.

Regarding:
http://rimstar.org/sdenergy/testa/testamagseries2.htm

you need to have glimmer or other K40 isotope  (Potassium40) containing material
which is excited from the capacitor plates and the magnetic fields.

I'm beginning to agree with you, partially. See more below.

The Testika is really a magnetic and electrical field excited radioactive decay accelerated
machine.
This way the accelerated radioactive decay is converted to electricity.

As you see yourself with your experiments, the electrostatic and magnetic effects
alone are just too small to get any usefull power output.

The huge power output can only be explained by exciting the mountain crystals
inside their backside Leyden jar capacitors and between their horseshoe magnets
and releasing Beta radiation= free electrons
which produce the huge power output.

This is also the only logical explanation for the huge power output
and Mr. Bosshard always said: "The secret is in the crystals".

From examining this photo:
 http://rimstar.org/sdenergy/testa/misc/test.jpg
I've begun to agree with you, but not for the ultimate high power output. My current working theory is that the high power is produced in 3 stages. The first is the variable capacitor giving alternating voltage. The second is from the three small pots in the front using stimulated radioactivity to boost the charge that is fed into the third stage, the large pots, which tap into ZPE to give their huge output. Since this may not be clear in text, I just put together this webpage with some diagrams:
 http://rimstar.org/sdenergy/testa/th3stagepower.htm
The tall capacitors in the back may play a role in pumping up the voltage needed to get he medium voltage AC from the disks as variable capacitors, since the charge on any triboelectric material may decrease over time. The charge from the tall capacitors may also be needed in the rotation circuit.

Since I'm nervous about working with "stimulated" radioactivity, I'm working mostly on stage 3 and feeding it by other means.

By the way, Stefan, on my 3 stage power theory page (the link above), I quote you a bit. Let me know if I got it wrong and I'll fix it.
-Steve
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