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Offline karl

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Re: Testatika small machine testbed
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2007, 12:11:01 PM »
Steven,
have you implied the electrophorus principle in one of your machines?
Are they preloaded by rubbing the disks or stators with a cloth (basicly a kind of an electret).
Mr. Hyde's basic principle to cancle out the backdrag forces is to leave the total capacity every time in the rotation the same.
This is not  the classic work to potentional conversion while changing the capacity (basic Electrophorus) but the increasing of a partial capacity and a decreasing of an other partial capacity at the same time in a sine wave manner to get harmonic and continous electron flow.
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Offline Steven Dufresne

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Re: Testatika small machine testbed
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2007, 12:51:38 PM »
@ Steve - I'm looking at makeing the disks first to get the Ion flow. In the back tower off the motor using a gum rubber belt (Van De Graph type ) runnig the radious of the disk to produse ion flow to the disks. One the Quratz stone , in that area of the swizz the stone there is high in lead , much of the industry in the past was makeing glass, and later makeing optic blanks so I'm filimaure with the matreials. these are natural Electrcts, and plastics of sorts are to depending how there used. Ceramic Eletrcts can be found in old microphones that are great for expierimenting with. still studying. Did you get the Hamel drum up and running ?  thanks Mike 

Mike,
Thanks for the response. Sounds like an interesting starting place. I won't pester you for further
details for now since I know you probably need to the time to build it.
Re the Hamel drum, it didn't work for me though from showing it to David Hamel I learned enough to
make another attempt. However, time doesn't permit. I focus on testatika instead.
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Re: Testatika small machine testbed
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2007, 05:13:47 AM »
Hi, I'am trying to find this book "Electrical Influence Machines" related to the Pidgeon machine that looks like a testatika, I want to understand how it work, but i cannot find the book on the net, I see one site where you can buy but you need to read it online, Since i hate staying in front of the computer to read stuff like that, I prefer to print it, So is someone know a link or have the orignal doc in PDF format?

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Re: Testatika small machine testbed
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2007, 05:28:52 AM »
lol I was able to find one but its online, at least its free here the link for the one who are interested

http://www.electrotherapymuseum.com/2007/ElectricalInfluenceMachines/index.htm

but i rather prefer to have a PDF version :)

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Re: Testatika small machine testbed
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2008, 09:09:03 PM »
My pouter was down for a while and I have made some progress on the machine. I made up some polycarbonate Lexan disks and used copper foil on the front disk and aluminum foil ( air duct foil tape on the back disk .  the drive system works great , I switcted to a leather belt drive to improve the smoothness and grip to the sheves. the motor runs @ 5 to 15 volts @ 1 to 2 amps and stays cool for long run times , at this point I'm looking for a new motor that is brushless If any on know where to get one that would be appriciated. I need to get some brass screws to make the collectors. I used aluminum screen on the collector pads an will test these to see how well they work out. I have ordered some glass for the laten jars they are the globes from large Addis and Coleman gas latrens, these ar readily avalible and are fairly inexpencive and can be stacked with lead channel from a stain glass supplyer localy, I make stain glass so I have a large stock.   the bottem pic is the front glass disk , I need to make new hubs and newer type bearings and will be building this machine for testing when my lath gets here , I made all the pullies and sheves by hand on a drill press and hole saws this is very time consuming and had to make a few sets to get the ratios right for the weight of the disks and spin RPMs .All the parts were salvaged from scraped out printers and power tools that had seen better days to keep the cost down in the expierimental machines and the plastic was donated by my boss and i thank him. 
« Last Edit: January 06, 2008, 07:27:02 AM by Motorcoach1 »

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« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2008, 08:12:03 PM »
Does anyone see any problems with useing steel ballbearings in the hubs ? I set the space between the disks at 11 mm and moveing to 4 mm to increase static fields. how is everyone else setting theres , I useing 60cm disks (20 inches ) All other parts (screws and fastners are brass or aluminum due to magnatisim ) I made up some gold leaf static jars to study the flows around the disks these are very handy ! I used small babyfood jars. a plastic vial will work too. the leather belt is great when useing V gruve sheves and cheep  ;D

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Re: Testatika small machine testbed
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2008, 12:23:40 AM »
Hello,

  i have compiled the jpg's from the old book that TheOne found at http://www.electrotherapymuseum.com/2007/ElectricalInfluenceMachines/index.htm
to a word document, so you can print it out (see attachement).

Greetings
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Offline Steven Dufresne

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Re: Testatika small machine testbed
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2008, 10:12:53 PM »
Mike,
Nice work! Thanks for showing us. It helps keep us builders going when we see we're not alone.

Does anyone see any problems with useing steel ballbearings in the hubs ? I set the space between the disks at 11 mm and moveing to 4 mm to increase static fields. how is everyone else setting theres ,

I keep mine as close as possible to get maximum field strength, but the wobble is my limiting factor.

I useing 60cm disks (20 inches ) All other parts (screws and fastners are brass or aluminum due to magnatisim ) I made up some gold leaf static jars to study the flows around the disks these are very handy ! I used small babyfood jars. a plastic vial will work too. the leather belt is great when useing V gruve sheves and cheep  ;D

I made a set of pulleys and used a small diameter round file to make the groove. The bearing system didn't work out though. It let the disk tilt over. See:
 http://rimstar.org/equip/estatmb/mk1/estatmbmk1.htm
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« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2008, 12:43:32 AM »
Thank you Steve , the 60cm disks are mounted on the hubs with 2- 608 bearings , I have a little wobble thats due to I made them on my drill press but can be adjusted by drlling set screws at 120degrees around at 3 points. the drive at the bottom is also bearinged at both ends and the pully on the right is an idoler for the belt to go to the back disk , this turns in the oppisit direction Like on the Jorge machine.  i origanoly made round pullys to see where they would follow and the belts kept comming off. so I switched to the V gruve and the leather belt (square ) and the problem solve with out haveing the put a lot of tension on the pullys and belt. the added tension also put more work on the motor causeing higher amp draw. now runs cool in long run tests and my power supply stays nice and cool too. My next step is to put a thrust bearring between the disks to get them very close and not worry about the hubs rubbing. my goal is to eventualy eliminate the motor if possible or incorperating it into the hubs one neg. and the other Pos. then ther would be no drive belt. this could be done useing stepper motor parts and be brushless. the mag field would then be in the vortex equaly neg. and pos. to the disk reference.  By the way thank you very much for your time converting the book to word and posting this valuble information. I'll be working on the collectors tonite , bought a nice cross vice at Harbor Freight last nite for the drill press, this will help in makeing the close adjustment of the collectors ( oval holes )

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Re: Testatika small machine testbed
« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2008, 02:59:52 AM »
Thank you Steve , the 60cm disks are mounted on the hubs with 2- 608 bearings , I have a little wobble
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By the way thank you very much for your time converting the book to word and posting this valuble information.
It was Peter who did the converting. See his message above.
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Re: Testatika small machine testbed
« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2008, 03:33:40 AM »
@ Steve - the 608 is the No# on the bearing you can get these in a double roller and then use only 1 bearing in each hub .The thrust bearing is from a Dewalt drill (battry tourq control type )  thanks for the correction I should have thanked Pete so Thanks PETE ;D  oh by the way do you have all the Albert hauser diagrams ?

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Re: Testatika small machine testbed
« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2008, 03:48:14 PM »
oh by the way do you have all the Albert hauser diagrams ?

I think I do. Are you looking for them or one in particular? If it's just one then I can upload here. If more, then send me private email and I'll send you what I've got as an attachment. You can get my email address from my profile or at the bottom of any of my webpages.
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« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2008, 12:43:25 AM »
@ Steve D - on your web site in the links to Watson"s-  Albert Huser is discribeing the Testanika 3kw machine and it says to see diagrams - I only see the parts list of the diagram. The other thing I have been looking into is the Layten jar capisators , on the Joerge R. link I noticed something interesting ( when Baumman opend the jayten capisator he had to retune it after he put the coil back on , this took a while )  In Joerge R.  did you notice the large coil in the first photo and the rest have small flat coils under looks like PVC caps. " the coil is more like a selonoid coil- quote from the link A.H. " this might mean the spring wound wire in the center is connected to a plunger in the center of the coil , so as to ossilate when tension is given from the spark gap ( the plunger will only move when tension is present and Q is reached then it releases due to the magpulse of the coil this happens in millieseconds ), this ossilation is giveing the freq. ossilation and acts like a pump in the jar to induce ion flow at the same time. something to ponder on.  in effect the perforated aluminim and copper sleves in the jar are the primary and the coil is the secondarie but instead of ( like in a flyback tranformer the gap is used backwards to the secondaie ) . I'll look around for a flyback and induse static voltage to the secondarie and see what happens , this can be done useing a auto coil or a good HV sourse with low amprage (ma's) so I don't burn it out. 

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« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2008, 02:02:20 AM »
@ Steve D - on your web site in the links to Watson"s-  Albert Huser is discribeing the Testanika 3kw machine and it says to see diagrams - I only see the parts list of the diagram.

See that attached, hauser.zip.

The other thing I have been looking into is the Layten jar capisators , on the Joerge R. link I noticed something interesting ( when Baumman opend the jayten capisator he had to retune it after he put the coil back on , this took a while )

I remember reading this a year or so ago and have been wanting to find the reference again. Where did you read about Baumann openning the pot (Baumann's term for the two big cans) and retuning it?

In Joerge R.  did you notice the large coil in the first photo and the rest have small flat coils under looks like PVC caps. " the coil is more like a selonoid coil- quote from the link A.H. " this might mean the spring wound wire in the center is connected to a plunger in the center of the coil , so as to ossilate when tension is given from the spark gap ( the plunger will only move when tension is present and Q is reached then it releases due to the magpulse of the coil this happens in millieseconds ), this ossilation is giveing the freq. ossilation and acts like a pump in the jar to induce ion flow at the same time. something to ponder on.  in effect the perforated aluminim and copper sleves in the jar are the primary and the coil is the secondarie but instead of ( like in a flyback tranformer the gap is used backwards to the secondaie ) . I'll look around for a flyback and induse static voltage to the secondarie and see what happens , this can be done useing a auto coil or a good HV sourse with low amprage (ma's) so I don't burn it out. 

I've always wondered if Hauser was speculating about the 3kW machine's pot's contents or if Baumann told or showed it to him. I wonder because Baumann said that "In the large capacitors there are 20 layers of perforated sheet". This is from the visit by 30 engineers.
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Re: Testatika small machine testbed
« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2008, 01:45:01 AM »
Thank you Steve that was what i was looking for. I was meeting a collige last nite and met some folks form Finland and Norway they are in the finance biz , what was interesting ,I asked them about ever going the Methernika , Swiss and they said yes and knew about the testanika machine but didn't know anything about it but had the occasion to see it run. he also said that he would inquire for me and rely the info to my collieg. It seams that he does biz with the group and was very nice in being open about the subject. I also explained my position on the machine that I was only interested in building one and was not in it to make money or give the information out , I strongly feel that this is their property and will not infrindge on thir kindness. 

 

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