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Author Topic: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.  (Read 12806 times)

Online citfta

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #75 on: May 18, 2018, 08:15:07 PM »
I love english saying:


"We pay no hids for a wigs".


And everybody have to understand that as moderator
I have responsibilities which comes with enforcement gears
which I've deployed for the first time here, and if there are any
parties, groups or bands of interests - then they shoud enjoy own
discussions and let others enjoy theirs.


Is not it natural among gentelmens?

What you obviously don't get is that Gyula had no obligation to try and help you.  He tried to help because he is a gentleman and a scholar and wanted to give you some useful advice.  Those of us that really care about this hobby and pursuit of  free energy want to see others succeed also.  So we try to help when we can.  But there are always those that refuse help because they insist they know more than others.  Most of us on this forum actually appreciate help from others.  I have over 50 years experience in electronics but I am still willing to listen to others because NONE of us know everything.

Now go ahead and use your moderator privileges you claim you have and delete my post.  I'll bet you can't.

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #75 on: May 18, 2018, 08:15:07 PM »

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #76 on: May 18, 2018, 09:20:44 PM »
The last trying to help was 28 of april on the first page here:


"IT is very probable that a useful load when you connect it across the output coil will impose a drag on your drill, making it draw higher current from its own 10.8V Li-Ion battery hence input power would increase."

When I released videos of testing with loads then following five pages where intentionally produced psevdo-discussions
about simple matters disabling to discuss generators but dragging into chaos. That what people call: trolling.

Anyway, stop helping where you ra not welkom and start to do it where you are wanted.
That is so simple.

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #77 on: May 18, 2018, 11:26:06 PM »
dear ageofmanetzm,
calling trolls the people that wants to help or need  to see proper measurment doen not make your device work better.
horse blinds are keept for a reason, you may keep yours
rgds,
mb

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #77 on: May 18, 2018, 11:26:06 PM »
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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #78 on: May 18, 2018, 11:49:05 PM »
ageofmagnetizm:

Just go and report me, here is the next "harassment", LOL: 

In your blog, you wrote about "load" tests, I quote: "Many similar tests with various loads has produced
the same result and on following picture generator is testing with certifyed 100 ohms / 500 watts immersion
water heater where AC current causes increase of temperature of thermoelectric resistor where rising
temperature causes increase of resistance of electric circuit."
I took a snapshot at video time 2:35 from your revelant short video you referred to in connection with
the immersion water heater above. It is ok that you wrote 100 Ohm for the heater resistance and the
DMM resistance meter measured it as 80 Ohm in the video, this is not a problem. Your picture at the bottom
of your blog shows 534 Ohm and if we substract from 534 the 448 Ohm coil DC resistance, we get 86 Ohm for
the heater resistance. Again, the 80 and 86 or just the 77 Ohm as you mentioned at the bottom of the blog
for the heater is not a problem. It is also ok that such immersion water heater may change its resistance
a few percent from its cold resistance when it is performing real work by boiling up water to 100 degree Celsius.
The problem is that you imply you did load tests with such immersion water heater when your video clearly shows
the heater (with its points A and B) is connected via the DMM (that has B and C) to the generator coils output (A and C)
i.e. the DMM is set to AC Volt position and in this position the internal resistance of the DMM is about 1 MegaOhm. 
You closed the circuit between the generator output and the heater with the 1 MegaOhm internal resisance of your
DMM when set to AC Volt position.
Please answer this question: How can the heater boil up any single drop of water when you feed it
via a 1 MegaOhm voltmeter?  What current do you think can flow via the voltmeter's internal resistance?
If you connect the heater to the 230V mains voltage, the current draw would be 500W/230V=2.17 Amper
if I consider the heater to be a 500W heater, manufactured as such.
If you connect your heater via the voltmeter, the dissipated power in the heater is about in the microwatt range.

Now I repeat: go and report me for harassing you. 
It is YOU who harass readers here with bad science and not willing to show correct measurements.
You do not welcome members here who ask revealing questions that you carefully avoid answering.  Why is that? 

Gyula

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #79 on: May 19, 2018, 09:06:20 AM »
Trolls have been reported five days ago and are on watchlists of NSA AIs which
have traced them down to nods and watching all theirs contacts, frequency of posts,
filming them on local CVRs and collecting information about theirs troll factories.


That how it works in contemporary reality.


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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #79 on: May 19, 2018, 09:06:20 AM »
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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #80 on: May 19, 2018, 10:38:29 AM »

Trolls making false and misleading measurements have been reported five days ago and
are on watchlists of NSA AIs which have traced them down to nods and watching all theirs contacts,
frequency of posts, filming them on local CVRs and collecting information about theirs troll factories.

That how it works in contemporary reality.

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #81 on: May 19, 2018, 11:39:02 AM »
AIs read no words but numbers and frequencies,
noticing roots and connections, and can not be misled by
Megaohm-hipotesis and chorus of several worshipers.


AIs have not own buiseness hence they just running same routine
again and again, just like trolls do.

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #81 on: May 19, 2018, 11:39:02 AM »
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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #82 on: May 19, 2018, 11:58:35 AM »

...
AIs have not own buiseness hence they just running same routine
again and again, just like trolls do.



Exactly,  just look at yourself in the mirror.  Or better yet, show correct measurements.

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #83 on: May 19, 2018, 12:12:25 PM »
  ageofmagnetizm
Sir
You will not find a sympathetic ear for bad measurement practices in Stefan, he has been around long enuff to recognize simple errors and he also does experiments.

Gyula is one of the most kind and honest technicians  we have at this forum, I have honestly never seen him treated this poorly ,actually I don't believe I have ever seen anything but appreciation for his time and efforts here .




The scientific method is to run Towards scrutiny ,not away.




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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #83 on: May 19, 2018, 12:12:25 PM »
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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #84 on: May 19, 2018, 12:17:42 PM »
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimeter


Modern multimeters are often digital due to their accuracy, durability and extra features. In a digital multimeter the signal under test is converted to a voltage and an amplifier with electronically controlled gain preconditions the signal. A digital multimeter displays the quantity measured as a number, which eliminate errors. Modern digital multimeters may have an embedded computer, which provides a wealth of convenience features.

Meaningful (i.e., high-accuracy) measurements require a good understanding of the instrument specifications, good control of the measurement conditions, and traceability of the calibration of the instrument. However, even if its resolution exceeds the accuracy, a meter can be useful for comparing measurements. For example, a meter reading 5½ stable digits may indicate that one nominally 100,000 ohm resistor is about 7 ohms greater than another, although the error of each measurement is 0.2% of reading plus 0.05% of full-scale value.

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #85 on: May 19, 2018, 12:30:07 PM »
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimeter


Modern multimeters are often digital due to their accuracy, durability and extra features. In a digital multimeter the signal under test is converted to a voltage and an amplifier with electronically controlled gain preconditions the signal. A digital multimeter displays the quantity measured as a number, which eliminates[/font][/size] [/font][/size]parallax[/size][/color] [/font][/size]errors.[/font][/size]Modern digital multimeters may have an embedded computer, which provides a wealth of convenience features. [/size][/color]

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Meaningful (i.e., high-accuracy) measurements require a good understanding of the instrument specifications, good control of the measurement conditions, and traceability of the calibration of the instrument. However, even if its resolution exceeds the accuracy, a meter can be useful for comparing measurements. For example, a meter reading 5½ stable digits may indicate that one nominally 100,000 ohm resistor is about 7 ohms greater than another, although the error of each measurement is 0.2% of reading plus 0.05% of full-scale value.[/size][/color]

And the high-lighted part is what several of us have been trying to get you to understand.  You are NOT using the test equipment the way it was designed to be used.  So your test results mean nothing.  It is as simple as that.

And posting false claims about reporting posters to authorities and having moderator status also does your credibility serious damage.  All of those actions are childish and we have been here long enough to know they are false.




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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #85 on: May 19, 2018, 12:30:07 PM »
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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #86 on: May 19, 2018, 12:44:57 PM »
Hi ageofmagnetizm,

From the same wiki link you provided,  read this and understand:

"General properties of multimeters:

Any meter will load the circuit under test to some extent. For example, a multimeter using a
moving coil movement with full-scale deflection current of 50 microamps, the highest sensitivity
commonly available, must draw at least 50 microamps from the circuit under test for the meter
to reach the top end of its scale. This may load a high-impedance circuit so much as to affect the circuit,
thereby giving a low reading. The full-scale deflection current may also be expressed in terms of
"ohms per volt". The ohms per volt figure is often called the "sensitivity" of the instrument.
Thus a meter with a 50 microampere movement will have a "sensitivity" of 20,000 ohms per volt.
"Per volt" refers to the fact that the impedance the meter presents to the circuit under test will be
20,000 ohms multiplied by the full-scale voltage to which the meter is set.
For example, if the meter is set to a range of 300 volts full scale, the meter's impedance will be 6 megohms.
20,000 ohms per volt is the best (highest) sensitivity available for typical analog multimeters that lack
internal amplifiers.  For meters that do have internal amplifiers (VTVMs, FETVMs, etc.),
the input impedance is fixed by the amplifier circuit."


Your DMM do have internal amplifiers the text you quoted is correct.  I gave 2 links in my Reply #57 where your DMM is demonstrated and its internal circuits schematics is shown:http://overunity.com/17293/a3c-x-magnets-and-pmf/msg521254/#msg521254 Its internal resistor divider chain insures the high input resistance from at least
480 kOhm to the 980 kOhm range, anyone can see it without turning to Artificial Intelligence.

Gyula

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimeter
Modern multimeters are often digital due to their accuracy, durability and extra features. In a digital multimeter the signal under test is converted to a voltage and an amplifier with electronically controlled gain preconditions the signal. A digital multimeter displays the quantity measured as a number, which eliminate errors. Modern digital multimeters may have an embedded computer, which provides a wealth of convenience features.

Meaningful (i.e., high-accuracy) measurements require a good understanding of the instrument specifications, good control of the measurement conditions, and traceability of the calibration of the instrument. However, even if its resolution exceeds the accuracy, a meter can be useful for comparing measurements. For example, a meter reading 5½ stable digits may indicate that one nominally 100,000 ohm resistor is about 7 ohms greater than another, although the error of each measurement is 0.2% of reading plus 0.05% of full-scale value.

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #87 on: May 19, 2018, 01:37:40 PM »
My gash.


Who's care about internal circuits shematics, simply launching
COMPASS App on smarthone and it shows where North is,
or launching HORIZONT App and it shows which corner of table
is too high, same is with DMM - millions of people simply follows
manuals and read true values displayed, no need to hypotyze how it
works because it is designed with:

an embedded computer, which provides a wealth of convenience features[/size]

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #88 on: May 19, 2018, 01:55:09 PM »
My gash.


Who's care about internal circuits shematics, simply launching
COMPASS App on smarthone and it shows where North is,
or launching HORIZONT App and it shows which corner of table
is too high, same is with DMM - millions of people simply follows
manuals and read true values displayed,
no need to hypotyze how it
works because it is designed with:
an embedded computer, which provides a wealth of convenience features[/size]

And that is the problem with your testing!  You apparently have NOT read the manual and do NOT understand how to use the test equipment.  And YOU were the one that brought up all the information about the internal workings of the MM when I first told you that cheap ones are not really that accurate.  Your reply was they had a small electronics circuit in them which actually has nothing to do with the accuracy.  They still have to be calibrated correctly.  And my own testing has shown they are SOMETIMES not calibrated that closely to a high quality meter.



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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #89 on: May 19, 2018, 02:04:48 PM »
Guys,


Why dont you file complain to consummers commission explaining that
manufacturers of DMMs are misleeding whole world, or discuss stuff on wikipedia or
bring your multimeters problems to numerous topics dedicated to such discussion,
or simply take care about own topics which you've abandoned by posting just here.


How many times one need to be asked to do the same.

 

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