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Author Topic: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.  (Read 12814 times)

Offline citfta

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #135 on: May 23, 2018, 11:43:14 AM »


With increase of number of magnets and numbers of loops in coils - the output increases while input is the same.

But you don't know that if you don't actually measure the input power.     


Your drill motor does not use the same amount of power all the time.  It changes as the load changes.  That is a fact of normal physics.  You are using a normal drill motor as your source of power.  It follows the normal rules of power usage.


To really know what you have, you have GOT to measure the input power and the actual power you are getting from your generator.  And although everyone on this forum that has replied to this thread keeps telling you the same thing you still insist you don't have to do that.


Take the proper measurement of current and voltage going to your drill motor and take the proper measurements of the current and voltage coming from your generator so we can see how much real power you are actually getting. 

With the very small gauge wire you are using your actual power has to be very small also or you would burn up the wire which is something you have already admitted and then ignored.  You can get high voltage from the small wire but the current will be very low because of the high resistance of the wire.  So you really lose the ability to produce power by using such a small gauge wire.

Do you know what Ohm's Law is?  You really need to understand it before you can make any real conclusions about what you have.

Respectfully,
Carroll

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #135 on: May 23, 2018, 11:43:14 AM »

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #136 on: May 23, 2018, 03:19:06 PM »
Hi ageogmagnetizm,

Unfortunately, you have some wrong conclusions which may not come from your actual hand-on tests of last year or this year but they may come from certain lack of knowledge or a combination of the two, unfortunately.
For instance, you wrote this:
"Back then it was clear that I need finest wire because that currents were not expecting to be
higher than one ampere and I was hesitating between 1/3 and 1/6 mm,
so I decided to risk with finer more efficent one, and thought ... if necessary...
then I'll by thicker one and rewind cores."

For generator coils the DC resistance of the coil wire has paramount importance, just because of the inherent heat loss when load current flows in the wire. So you did not have a 'qualified luck' as you put it, you have a bad wire diameter choice and for 1 Amper or so load current, even the 1/3 mm wire sounds thin, 1/2 mm or even 3/4 mm wires should be preferred as a minimum.   Think of the Ohm's law and apply it.

And then you wrote this with respect to the RF PMG-MMEIR 4E6M setup:

"After I published first RF PMG-MMEIR 4E6M
https://sites.google.com/site/ageofmagnetizm/home/magnetomechanics/mpg-mme
then I had about 660 ohms spul over, so I've decided to carry on same 1/3 mm, it went to be
sufficiently thin ... because that desing always require to choose wire as thin as possible for sake of efficiency."

Your conclusion is wrong at the end: for the sake of efficiency you need to use wire as thick as possible.

Another thing I have to mention here in connection with your early this year tests is that in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3sUiYIdilk  you have the two generator coils in series connection and you measured the DC resistance of them to be 44 Ohm. Then you showed the 22 V AC output voltage when the you run the setup.  So far all ok.

But then please explain where did you get the 11.1 Watts output power? Because you wrote this comment under the video:
"This is video of testing of RF CMC-PMG 2E6M at 1400 rpm generating 22.00 volts and 11.10 watts of output power."

Honestly, I would like to understand how you arrived at the 11.1 W output?

Gyula   





Well, wire design was not made for manufacturing prototypes requiting high percission,
but for prof of concept models which had to validate expected parameters and features,
also allowing to collect sets of data which will help with designs of industrial models.
At the beginning I coud not knew what will comes in the end as it is usual for true experiments.
So I had only data from previous experimental testings:
CUC & MAGNET AND ZMF.
Construction of Coiled U-Core with magnet efficiently generating electric
currents by magneto-electric induction which producing
Zero Magneto-motive Feedback.
https://sites.google.com/site/ageofmagnetizm/home/magnetomechanics/cuc-magnet-and-zmf
and
A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
[/font][/size]Construction of Asymmetrically Coiled C- and G- Cores and X- and Y-shaped
multy-polar Magnets and methods of production of magneto-electric induction
and Positive Magneto-motive Feedback and efficient generation of electricity.[/font][/size]
[/font][/size]
https://sites.google.com/site/ageofmagnetizm/home/magnetomechanics/a3c-x-magnet
Back then it was clear that I need finest wire because that currents were not expecting to be
higher than one ampere and I was hesitating between 1/3 and 1/6 mm,
so I decided to risk with finer more efficent one, and thought ... if necessary...
then I'll by thicker one and rewind cores.
After I published first RF PMG-MMEIR 4E6M
https://sites.google.com/site/ageofmagnetizm/home/magnetomechanics/mpg-mme
then I had about 660 ohms spul over, so I've decided to carry on same 1/3 mm, it went to be
sufficiently thin ... because that desing always require to choose wire as thin as possible for sake of efficiency.
So it was qulified luck... I'd say.
« Last Edit: May 23, 2018, 07:26:51 PM by gyulasun »

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #137 on: May 27, 2018, 11:58:52 AM »
Hi Taras,

First I reflect on your following text (regardless of when you return to this forum):
   "The reason why I'm so cool currying on details is because that only three month ago
    I was just the same sceptical and paranoic about checking of results as yuo people are."   

Well, I consider myself a healthy sceptic, with appropiate background knowledge in electrical engineering to be able
to decide whether a setup has some virtue or just one out of a dozen.  BUT I am certainly not paranoid on this or any
other setup to treat it as a crap no matter what, ok?  I do not preclude, I believe in the possibility of overunity and
I am aware of most of the obstacles that natural (mainly physics) laws establish against overunity.

What you mention on the RF PMG-MMEIR 4E6M setup, I quote:
   "There was not much watts to admire but frustrating was that it was 19 watts from 16 watts drive, ..."

So again the usual question arises how did you measure the 19W and how did you know that the 16W input power did not
increase during the load test when the 19W was provided to a load, and what was the load?  Again, you would need to
provide such details that simply are NOT included in the relevant videos. See my question at the end of my above
post, for instance.

It is okay and good that you discovered by experimentation the Faraday law of induction, that the use of more magnets
i.e. magnetic flux and more number of turns the induced output VOLTAGE increases and (as you wrote in your blog) with
the increase of RPM too.  I deliberately used capital letters for 'voltage' because in most of your videos you measured output voltage
and not output power, that is of paramount importance. And YES, when your generator coil output is unloaded, the induced output voltage
is increased when you increase the loops in the coils and the number of magnets.

So your poematic guess question on what will happen with 8 CCCs the answer is given, no problem with that.
The big problem is your assumption of the 16-17 W input power would remain the same when you really load the
generator output with say a 25W or a 40W or a 60W incandescent light bulb.
IF you do not use any such or similar power load so the output remains unloaded, then the 16-17W input power draw
is guaranteed, it remains the same 16-17W.  It SHOULD remain the same because if there is no load, there is no Lenz law. 

Here I just mention your incorrect use of the voltmeter during the load tests: you have not answered why you connected the voltmeter in SERIES with the load? 
The series (and not parallel with the load) connection guarantees, willy-nilly, the 16-17W input power to the generator would not change at all during the 'load' tests. 

ALL these facts mean your claim of having a hyperefficient generator with 1000% efficiency is only a dream.

Unless you prove it with correct measurements.

Gyula


Look, Gyula, as I observe my stopwach, I realize that soon, I might discontinue my
public relations and that might last, hope that not for long but befor that
 I have to produce sort of short-cut here on this discussion.
The reason why I'm so cool currying on details is because that only three month ago
I was just the same sceptical and paranoic about checking of results as yuo people are.
Though my superior virtures allowed me to come out of hell circles just wasting just one week.
When I had tested     RF PMG-MMEIR 4E6M   [size=78%]      [/size]
https://sites.google.com/site/ageofmagnetizm/home/magnetomechanics/mpg-mme

There was not much watts to admire but frustrating was that it was 19 watts from 16 watts drive,
and I was cheking and talking and washing pegs
and punching keybords, but that result was just one from series of similar results where was clear that:!!!

With increase of number of magnets and numbers of loops in coils - the output increases while input is the same.
The following course of Least Action was so obvious: why talking if I can just to SEE the continuation of increase.
And in one more week I had 8 magnets rotor and C -Core with 111 oms coil on it.... and I have got the answer:

Previous prototype had round 100 ohms on stator and giving up round 50 volts
and here I hade stator with similar 100 ohms giving up 75 volts.............
What next? More same CCC simply multiplying the output while rotor need no more power for same 1400 RPM
And with four CCCs there 270 volts,

Now gues what will happen with 8 CCCs.... there round rotor is plenty of space for them.....?

But I've got not much 1/3 wire left... and no needs to produces even more proves,
Its wise to move forvard instead of stubbing on doubt.

That what I call Path of Least Resistance
 where results are depending only on my actions without confusing complications usual in teamworks.

Hope I'll be here for a while, and hope for many other nice developments here and round this small planet.

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #137 on: May 27, 2018, 11:58:52 AM »
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