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Author Topic: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.  (Read 14892 times)

Offline ageofmagnetizm

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #105 on: May 20, 2018, 09:27:15 AM »
Very nice Carroll,


I still need to find time to read through you work which appears
 to be matching my interests, but from the very entry point of learning
it is clear that you are real user contributing to both of ours communities.


Understanding of profile page of users help AIs to indentify suspicious troll,
because that trolls do not care about profile and quilkly mokking one, usually
copying profile of other users with several changed letters,
and they never develop own profile instead just crawling and trolling.


Carroll, I have cleared youd buddy status and expect you constructive contribution
to this disscussion, only please - speak for yourself because if you blame me
 on behalf of somebody then it can happen that I ignore you comments because that other
person is already labelled as "ignore it" and I do not spend time for reading both posts.


I still wayting for credetials of Gyulasun and untill then his status remains same suspicious.

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #105 on: May 20, 2018, 09:27:15 AM »

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #106 on: May 20, 2018, 10:58:36 AM »
ageofmagnetizm,

Your 'credentials' were immediately defined the moment you demonstrated your using a voltmeter
in series with a load and not in parallel with it. Of course, you do not have to know the internal circuits
of a voltmeter but how to use a voltmeter is a basic knowledge if somebody wants to prove something,
especially when his claim is having a 1000% efficient generator. You pretend not to know about internal
resistance of a voltmeter but what is worse: you grasp for everything not to demonstrate
a correct load test for your generator.
My credentials? Just look up any of my posts say last year, 2 or 3 or any more years of my earlier posts.
I certainly do not have such blog pages you are showing but let me ask: what good is there without proving
the fancy claims?


You have a nice mechanical rotary setup and the principle you show certainly works, it is able to convert
mechanical work into electricity.  However, you have still not proved the "hyperefficiency" of that setup,
you have not showed any correct load tests.

You have measured DC resistances of generator coils and DC resistances of some loads and also measured
the UNLOADED output AC voltage and then you calculated the output power numbers by using P=V2/R   
You base your output efficiency claims on such calculations, not on correct input and output power measurements.

This is what turns out from any of your blog pages where you include efficiency numbers.

It is ok you do not believe me but I am not the only one objecting your measurements.You have placed yourself into a rabbit hole you yourself dig for yourself and now you are asking for others credentials?   LOL

The only way you can climb out of the hole is to show correct load test to prove your 1000% efficiency claim.

Gyula

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #107 on: May 20, 2018, 12:45:15 PM »
Ageofmagnetizm,

I looked at your page you linked to.  You have some interesting designs for your generators.  BUT THEY MEAN NOTHING WITHOUT PROPER MEASUREMENTS!!!

You have wasted several pages of this thread and lots of time doing everything to avoid taking proper measurements.  In order to know if a generator is efficient we have to know two things.  We have to know the input power to whatever kind of device is turning or powering the generator.  And we have to know what the power is that the generator is putting out.  With those two pieces of information we then calculate the coefficiency of performance or commonly called the COP.

In electrical use power is calculated by multiplying the current times the voltage which give us watts.  You have not done any measurements that give us the voltage and current being supplied to your load.  So we can't calculate the power coming from your generator.  We also need to know the power going into your generator and I don't believe you have shown that either.

As I posted several pages ago, you may have a very efficient generator.  I am NOT saying you don't.  What Gyula and myself and others have said is there is no way to know because you keep refusing to take proper measurements of what you do have.  If those measurements prove what you claim then you will surely get the recognition you apparently are so desperately seeking.

Asking for any further credentials from Gyula is an insult to him and those of us that respect him.  His credentials should have already been clear to you when several other members of this forum told you how much he is respected.  If you went to a local doctor that was highly respected by the other members of your community would you ask him for his credentials?  That is both insulting and shows a real lack of good judgement.

Please just take the proper measurements so we can see what you really have.

Respectfully,
Carroll

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #107 on: May 20, 2018, 12:45:15 PM »
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Offline ageofmagnetizm

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #108 on: May 20, 2018, 01:21:02 PM »
Carroll,


Inputs are taken from information provided by manufacturer of drive as follow:


Accu marking and manuals say 10.8 volts 1.5 ahmpers and 16.2 watts maximuums,
and shaft 15 N/m max.


Voltage and resistance are displayed on DMM and one can interpreting them as wishs.


Videos were releasing to produce increasing pressure on potential partners which were
targeted by personal emails (not on forums), once targeted objective are achieved then there
no need to release valuable information and betrade trust of partners.


Hence I have neither reazons no right to release anything else other than sheduled by ongoing R&D,
Hence I only can discuss what is already published and can not discuss what will be published later.


Before this discussion was interrupted for two weaks, - on many discussions were suggested
that if loads will be connected to generator than currents of stator wil induce magnetic fields deccelerating
magnets of rotor hence applayed drive will be slowing RPM because of insufficient power input.
Videos showing testing with different loads have produced sufficient prove of conception on
doesends of dicussions except here...


If gyulasun refuses to provide his credentials personally than his status remains unchanged
and I shall ingnore his posts as I ignor adds surrounding posts which are valid, hence:


 GYULASUN -- PLEASE STOP POSTING HERE FOREVER. NEVER POST HERE.[/size]

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #109 on: May 20, 2018, 03:07:29 PM »
Well, after five pages of nothing but blabber it should be quite obvious that ageofmagnetizm has nothing worth looking at.  He has made every excuse under the sun for not making proper measurements of his device.  The only logical conclusion is that he knows his device is nothing special but still hopes to convince those that don't know any better that he does have something special.

Ageofmagnetizm, you might as well move on to another forum because you are done here.  Every time you post your foolishness and attacks against well respected members of this forum I WILL post a correction to your false claims and attacks.  I don't know how much the oil companies are paying you for your false claims but I will continue to expose them as false each time you post them.  Your attempts to mislead others will not work here.

Carroll

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #109 on: May 20, 2018, 03:07:29 PM »
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Offline ageofmagnetizm

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #110 on: May 20, 2018, 04:49:38 PM »
I am actually prepairing to move on my R&D and vaction,
and this discussion will be suspended and comments will be disabled.


If somebody still want to through chairs, chanting same loud slogans,
than do not restrain yourself, post everything what you fill.


I'll simply ignore radicalized minds.
Go on enjoy filling yourself important.

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #111 on: May 20, 2018, 08:52:22 PM »
Farewell to ageofmagnetizm:

Taras, after reading your reply (quoted below),  it immediately became crystal clear you have nothing special
but a salad of words, deceptive blog pages and videos and your generator surely has less than 100% efficiency.

Hopefully this thread will serve for the benefit of any honest but technically not very well educated readers here,
either members or occasional lurkers that they should keep away from the generator this guy ageofmagnetizm
may come up with again in the near or remote feature.

He demonstrated very well how a voltmeter should NOT be used when doing a load test at the output of a
generator: he connected the voltmeter, a DMM in series with the load.

Just imagine how small AC current was able to flow in the otherwise 500-600 W load when the high internal resistance
of the voltmeter in series with the load effectively reduced any current flow to as low as some nano or microAmper.

Yet he claimed his generator has a hyper efficiency of 1000%.  LOL   
His blog pages, his videos attempt to make you believe the load really loads the generator output but in fact it was
quasi isolated by the voltmeter's high internal resistance.  LOL 

Bye-bye Taras, bye-bye!



Carroll,
Inputs are taken from information provided by manufacturer of drive as follow:
Accu marking and manuals say 10.8 volts 1.5 ahmpers and 16.2 watts maximuums,
and shaft 15 N/m max.
Voltage and resistance are displayed on DMM and one can interpreting them as wishs.
Videos were releasing to produce increasing pressure on potential partners which were
targeted by personal emails (not on forums), once targeted objective are achieved then there
no need to release valuable information and betrade trust of partners.
Hence I have neither reazons no right to release anything else other than sheduled by ongoing R&D,
Hence I only can discuss what is already published and can not discuss what will be published later.
Before this discussion was interrupted for two weaks, - on many discussions were suggested
that if loads will be connected to generator than currents of stator wil induce magnetic fields deccelerating
magnets of rotor hence applayed drive will be slowing RPM because of insufficient power input.
Videos showing testing with different loads have produced sufficient prove of conception on
doesends of dicussions except here...
If gyulasun refuses to provide his credentials personally than his status remains unchanged
and I shall ingnore his posts as I ignor adds surrounding posts which are valid, hence:
 GYULASUN -- PLEASE STOP POSTING HERE FOREVER. NEVER POST HERE.[/size]

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #111 on: May 20, 2018, 08:52:22 PM »
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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #113 on: May 21, 2018, 01:32:16 AM »
ageofmagnetizm:
I knew you would love me ...    8)
I like Pink Floyd by the way.

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #113 on: May 21, 2018, 01:32:16 AM »
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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #114 on: May 21, 2018, 02:07:59 AM »
Screen shorts are evidences, as many other things are.

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #115 on: May 21, 2018, 02:14:10 AM »

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #115 on: May 21, 2018, 02:14:10 AM »
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Offline ageofmagnetizm

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #116 on: May 21, 2018, 09:44:12 AM »
Do you see Gyulasun, how scientific methods works:


By obtaining sets of numbers and forming two or more sets which can
be compared mathemathically. When I place your and my numbers in rows:


gylasun                     5 years       3500 posts        00000 reported experiments        1 subscriber
ageofmagnetizm     9 years           80 posts               34  reported experiments     19 subscribers


then it is so obviously easy two compare to sets and produces one or several obvious conclussions,
lets other members do the maths and conclussions, I only obtain values to form sets to compare.


https://m.youtube.com/user/gyulasun/videos
https://m.youtube.com/user/ageofmagnetizm/videos


Shall continue...

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #117 on: May 21, 2018, 10:49:43 AM »
Now........Hmmmmm...... a-haa...... here the numbers for
the second hyperactive member continuously and shamelessly
Intruding and interrupting this discussion so creating chaos to disable
Possibility of civilized conversations between members...


Videoreports of the second intruder:


https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCoofWrl80jNYPJhkjjcTz7A/feed


gylasun                     5 years       3500 posts        00000 reported experiments        1 subscriber
citfta jr                       5 years         635 posts                 3 reported experiments        7 subscribers


Now both intruders are being integrated into statistical intruder by simple integrals:


Sample intruder       5 years        2075 posts             1.5 reporded experiments       4 subscribers


Hmmmm.....clearly that both intruders have similar statss causing similar motivation for attacking
users which stats are UNBELIVABLY differen, in such attacks they try to hypercompensate....
No... wait .... I should not to produce conclussions, instead acting as AIs, purelly collecting datas
so facilitating easy and swift and convenient participations of real users of this forum....


I had no slightest intention to create mess on this discussion but if intruders can not sleep without
Mees, then OK. Let mess be...


Shall continiue.....












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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #118 on: May 21, 2018, 11:28:12 AM »
All of which goes to prove the old saying "garbage in equals garbage out".  And also again proves you have no idea how to interpret data.

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Re: A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.
« Reply #119 on: May 21, 2018, 12:58:04 PM »
ageofmagnetizm,

No I am not speechless and did not stop teaching, find my words below.

Just briefly:  I am a retired video service and maintenance engineer with 37 years of experience in electronic circuits. I do not need to prove my credentials to you or anyone else: only what I write or comment that is what counts here.  I have received several "Thanks for your help" openly in members posts during the years here.

You can make many experiments, videos: if your measuring methods are wrong, your conclusions are wrong.

The big difference between you and me is: if my collegaues at work or friends explained a measuring mistake I had made I accepted and learned from it not to make it again. You do not accept if your mistake is exposed and continue driving your 1000% efficient generator agenda.

Just one example any readers here can understand: 

you wrote your insertion water heater has about 100 Ohm resistance and 500 W power. 
If you connect it across the 230 V AC mains it would draw 230 V/100 Ohm = 2.3 Amper, right?
(Let's neglect any resistance change due to the heat, it is not significant.) 
If the AC mains had 260 V, then the current draw would be 2.6 Amper.
When you connect this heater directly across your 260 V generator output, you do not show two things.

One is: how low the 260V output voltage drops to because of your 4 generator coils are in series connection and together they have 448 Ohm DC resistance as you measured.

The second is that the moment you connect the heater directly across your generator output the RPM of your motor will drop from the unloaded 1400 to a lower RPM. This means the 260V AC output voltage (which was the unloaded output voltage) will also drop  (lower rotor speed induces less EMF in the coils).

From the 448 Ohm internal coil resistance it comes that the heater cannot draw 2.6 Amper (even if the 260 VAC output would still be maintained) just because its 100 Ohm resistance is added to the 448 Ohm coil resistance: the current would be 260 V / (448+100) Ohm = 0.47 amper.
Heat dissipation in the heater would be 0.472 A * 100 Ohm = 22 Watts and
Heat dissipation in the generator coils would be 0.472  A* 448 Ohm= 98.9 Watts.
Readers here can now answer this question: Is this a hyper efficient generator? 

(The reduced RPM makes the wanted and unwanted dissipations less than the ones above because the 260 V EMF induced in the coils will also be less.)

There is a 3rd thing what ageofmagnetizm does not want to consider: how the input power to the driving motor increases when the heater is hooked up directly to the generator output. The motor is an off the shelf drill motor and there is nothing in it which would prevent the increase of its input power draw when its shaft is loaded (normal Lenz law is in full action). This is why ageofmagnetizm does not show any input power measurements: he simply declares this I quote from him:

"Accu marking and manuals say 10.8 volts 1.5 ahmpers and 16.2 watts maximuums, and shaft 15 N/m max." 

So he simply takes it granted that the drill motor would not draw higher than 16.2 Watts, no matter how much counter torque is exerted to the motor shaft when it is mechanically loaded.

Now the readers can also decide what it is worth if someone has zero or 3 reported experiments at youtube with 1 or 7 subscribers versus the 34 reported experiments of ageofmagnetizm with 19 subscribers.

Gyula
Edited to correct a typo
« Last Edit: May 21, 2018, 06:25:22 PM by gyulasun »

 

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