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Title: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on May 11, 2017, 07:28:03 PM
Hi all, thought I would give this a try, the inventor is William Alek.
Here is a pic of my setup so far and inventors patent, just need to wind the other secondary coil yet.
I plan to use a joule thief oscillator, since i wound a bifilar 24awg. as the primary and single wire 24awg. as secondaries to power led bulbs as load.
peace love light
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: forest on May 11, 2017, 08:47:53 PM
Nice. You can also find a higher yoke core and cut the upper part , which is perfect ring. Not an easy task but doable.
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on May 12, 2017, 05:21:02 AM
Hi forest, thanks for the kind words.
I finished winding the coils and then after some further research, realized i didn't wind one of the secondary coils in the opposite direction.
So this device is bucking coils in combination with diverting flux path.
Time to remove one of the secondaries and rewind it.
peace love light
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: seychelles on May 12, 2017, 03:35:08 PM
I HAVE TRIED A QUICK TEST BUT NOT IMPRESS. BUT MAYBE I MISSING SOMETHING. i use a zvs as
the power source.
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: MenofFather on May 12, 2017, 05:21:09 PM
I HAVE TRIED A QUICK TEST BUT NOT IMPRESS. BUT MAYBE I MISSING SOMETHING. i use a zvs as
the power source.
Maybe Allek chosing frenquency that is resonant frenquency of secondarys?
In this video he demonstrating his transformer, then secondarys have 120 turns each secondarys. And to primary he is giving sine 3200 herc and it only on about this frenquency is overunity (6) on other frenquency almost no overunity (1).
Maybe if your secondarys have not many turns you can add same capasitor to each secondary if each seconady have about same inductance.
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: MenofFather on May 12, 2017, 05:21:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddj85px00lM
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: e2matrix on May 12, 2017, 06:08:58 PM
Followed Alek's stuff for years and thought he had some good ideas and it even appeared he was selling products but the release date for those always got bumped into the future every few months.   Now those products don't even show up on his web site.   All he seems to be peddling is woowoo now.   Lost faith in anything he does since if he really had anything OU or worth a salt he'd be selling it.   
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on May 12, 2017, 06:45:33 PM
I would also say that frequency has much do with the effect William is showing and the chosen load is important also.
Each transformer would be designed for a specific application.
I cannot alter the frequency much with this blocking oscillator and my flux coupling is not so good with this odd shaped ferrite TV yoke core.
I am going to try a ferrite tube core, so it will not have the flux diverting path, but it will have the bucking coils.
It will have far better flux coupling, then i will alter frequency by raising and lowering voltage input and base resistor.
I feel i will get close to the resonant frequency this way.
Watching the video, the primary coil is sending power back to the source, because the resonant secondary is inducing that condition in the primary, when normally, the secondary would cause the primary to draw current from the source.
peace love light
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: kEhYo77 on May 12, 2017, 07:50:27 PM
It is easy to do this configuration using 8 square "C" type cores.
Mine hasn't been tested much yet :)



in
0,3 Ohm
0,355 mH
0,063 mH output shorted


out 2 in series bucking
0,2 Ohm
0,176 mH
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: MenofFather on May 12, 2017, 08:46:10 PM
In Alek video demonstration paramtes are that.
 Primary 3.07 miliH 1.4 omh. 20 turns.
Secondary 120 turns. 1. 122 miliH 15 omh. 2. 120 miliH 17 omh.
 Secondaries conected in not inductive way acording patent and video. Because primary have 20 turns, secondary 120 turns, but input is 10 V and output is 10 V, not 60 or 120 volts (because two secondaries) like in conventioal tranformer.


In power 10.02 V RMS, 0.24 A RMS. cos 72 degree. Ps= 0.743 W
Output power 10.56 V RMS, 0.427 A RMS, PL=4.53 W. Frenquency 3200 herc. Load resistor 25 omh.
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on May 13, 2017, 06:52:58 AM
Hi all, thanks for the replies, menofFather, i think it was 2.7 watts input in the video or 160 percent efficiency.
I had a ferrite tube core that already had 2 separate layers of bifilar 24awg. magnet wire, wound onto the core.
So i made the first layer, directly on core, the joule thief oscillator.
I then wired the next separate layer on top of that, as the bifilar secondary coil, wired as a normal, non bucking, series wiring connection.
I also placed a full wave bridge on the output of that secondary coil.
Using 11.9 volt input to the oscillator, from computer power supply, am noticing some odd behavior from the secondary coil.
The frequency is definitely high, cannot hear it.
When using 5 Kohm base resistor, am observing amperage drop of oscillator input under load, off the full wave bridge DC output of secondary.
This also happens when direct shorting of the full wave bridge DC output.
I then changed the base resistor value to 3,333 ohms and not sure if this lowered or increased the frequency, as i cannot hear it either way.
Though now the loaded secondary or direct shorted, again at full wave bridge DC output does not alter in any way, the no load input amperage of the oscillator.
Something similar to William Alek circuit is happening here, i think.
As we alter the frequency of the primary oscillator by changing the base resistor value, we can see different effects and how that affects our input.
I would guess, this is causing the same type of phase shifting effects, that alek was showing between the secondary output and primary input wave forms in his video.
Your comments welcome.
peace love light
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: seychelles on May 13, 2017, 08:35:40 AM
kehyo77 where can i buy the ferrite that you have used please.
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: MenofFather on May 13, 2017, 09:18:23 AM
Hi all, thanks for the replies, menofFather, i think it was 2.7 watts input in the video or 160 percent efficiency.

You forgot power factor! Power factor is how much power is going back to source. For example if power factor 1, then no power going back to source. If power factor is 0, then all power going to source. If degree betwen curent and voltage is 90 degree, thats mean, that all power is reactive and first it goiing to divece, then going back to source.
In video he showing 72 degree. That is  0.31 power factor. So 2.7 W x 0.31 is 0.837 real watts, real power, other power going back to source. So  eff is 4.53\0.8=5.66 or 566 precents.


And he cheking in video and conventional transformer, it power consumption and output and degree angle and parameters are falowing:
Frenquency 1211 Hz. sine.
Input:
 10.11 V RMS. 0.041 A RMS. Degree 18.
10.11x 0.041=0.41 W. 18 degree is 0.95 power factor. 0.41x0.95=0.3895 W
Output:
2.865 V RMS. 0.117 A RMS. Resistive load 25 omh, so power factor be 1. So output power is 0.335 W
And output efficiency is 0.335\0.3895=0.86 or 86 precents.
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: gyulasun on May 13, 2017, 12:13:26 PM
kehyo77 where can i buy the ferrite that you have used please.

if you search on ebay with key words  ferrite U core then you can get choices, like this
http://stores.ebay.com.au/Mechanical-Stuff-Shop?_dmd=1&_nkw=ferrite+U+core 

or not on ebay:   http://preview.tinyurl.com/n4lukef 

or here http://www.neosid.com.au/shop/category/u-cores 

or here http://www.x-on.com.au/category/ferrite-cores-accessories  and apply filter U core in the Product Type window when you roll down in it.

Gyula
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: MasterPlaster on May 13, 2017, 01:30:40 PM
Are we going round in circles again?

(http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/dlattach/attach/120144/image//)
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: MasterPlaster on May 13, 2017, 01:34:05 PM
Are we going round in circles again?


http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/dlattach/attach/120144/image/ (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/dlattach/attach/120144/image/)
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: MenofFather on May 13, 2017, 02:22:12 PM
http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/dlattach/attach/120144/image/ (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/dlattach/attach/120144/image/)
From were you get that image?
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: rakarskiy on May 13, 2017, 05:02:26 PM
Very interesting stuff.
The author of the Alekskor method.
http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt3.html   
Please see   "The Alexkor Zero-Back-EMF Coils"
http://www.radiant4you.net/ - His site, where he offers "radiant chargers" for various types of rechargeable batteries. This site I know from 2012. There is also an e-mail address and a phone if anyone is interested.
Below are two figures, very similar technologies

Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: MasterPlaster on May 14, 2017, 01:13:00 AM
From were you get that image?

Go here:

http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg352262/#msg352262
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on May 14, 2017, 06:50:25 AM
Hi all, Hi menofFather, yes i think your correct, if we take into account the feedback energy, the efficiency is much higher.
So, do you feel something similar is happening with this oscillator with bifilar secondary coil, or at least approaching a similar condition, minus the split flux aspect.
No matter the load (or even shorted) i place on the full wave bridge DC output, the input current in relation to the no load current of the oscillator, either stays the same or decreases.
I was giving some thought to this, the frequency is high and it may be possible that the input pulse is so quick, that the field created within the primary coil, collapses before the secondary coil can build enough induced field to counteract any expanding field within the primary.
So when any significant field forms within the secondary, the primary field is in collapse mode and we can observe a reduction to the input current, much like a motor speeding up and freewheeling, while input current reduces.
Though unlike in the motor example, in this solid state example, we are at our highest loaded condition.

This sure seems similar to Thane Heins delayed lenz generator effect, where he gets the magnet rotor up to a threshold speed and before the induced field within the generator coil can build any significant magnetic field, the rotor magnet is already at top dead center and the rotor does not experience any braking effect.
Increase rotor speed a little more (aka 3200Hz frequency) and the magnet goes just beyond top dead center and the magnet rotor actually speeds up, while providing its greatest output.
Sure sounds like William Aleks transformer going beyond 90 degrees to me. 
Comments welcome.
peace love light
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: MenofFather on May 14, 2017, 05:00:50 PM
Power factor in Alek divice is low, because primary and secondary coil has low magnetic coupling. In conventional transformer secondary always wound on top primary or near primary, so they have hight magnetic coupling and because very hight power factor under load (almost no reactive power). Alek divice like and T. Heine divice have low magnetic coupling (betwen primary and secondary), so and low powerfactor with load. To corect power factor and make it 1 needs add parallel to primary phase corection capasitor or in other words primary must work on parralel resonance, then power factor be 1 and then possible use simply transistors to feed primary, because then no energy going to source. If not put that capasitor, then some energy trys go to source (Back EMF), but it can not go to source, then on primary is meandr from transistors, and so Back EMF is radiatet to space if transistors rated on hight voltage. If transistors low voltage, then back EMF heats transistors. And back EMF little demagnetizise core.
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: Acca on May 14, 2017, 07:33:26 PM
Just read the new patent and on page six he describes this  statement ...


" inventive energy management system produced more energy than it consumed so that it can be attached to rechargeable batteries which are thereby constantly recharged "...


this one just got by the patent examiner ...


1200 % is the gain.. of this device...


It seems to me that the only "real" device is not shown except figure 3 and the rest has the round cores..


Bifilar coil is a must here for the secondaries..


Acca..







Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: MenofFather on May 14, 2017, 08:11:08 PM
Just read the new patent and on page six he describes this  statement ...


" inventive energy management system produced more energy than it consumed so that it can be attached to rechargeable batteries which are thereby constantly recharged "...


this one just got by the patent examiner ...


1200 % is the gain.. of this device...


It seems to me that the only "real" device is not shown except figure 3 and the rest has the round cores..


Bifilar coil is a must here for the secondaries..


Acca..
About that patent you writing?
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: MasterPlaster on May 15, 2017, 01:44:37 AM
Some relevant info here: http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt3.html
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: MenofFather on May 15, 2017, 03:04:59 PM
I try with http://www.ekits.ru/published/publicdata/SHOPEKITEKITS/attachments/SC/products_pictures/ir2153-1.gif (http://www.ekits.ru/published/publicdata/SHOPEKITEKITS/attachments/SC/products_pictures/ir2153-1.gif) for primary
I use ferites small. Primary 8 turns 50 cm. Secondarys 1. 4 meters 57 turns  0.7 omh, 12 milihernies. 2. 4 meters, 56 turns 0.7 omh, 9.54 miliH.
On output  diod bridge, then capasitor and resistor 1 K (very hot about 3-5 W). Voltage on output 71.7 V. On input 26.6 V 0.25 A.
So on output 5,14089 W and on input 6,65 W.
Works like regular transformer. Secondaries conected in sieries. If I conect in not inductive way secondaries, then I get on output wery small voltage and that resistor ofcors not disipate any almost power, but and input curent then drops to 0,04 A.
So I not get overunity. I changed frenquencies diferents, thats not make big diference. Frenquencies I use about 20-100 kiloherc. Only higher frenquency, lower output power and lover consumption.
Electronics to control mosfets is cunsuming power from 15 volts, from other source.
Diodes are Her308 (1000 V).

Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: MenofFather on May 15, 2017, 03:15:02 PM
I tryed and lower voltage about 8 V and 0,07 A, then on output I get 21 about volts and so on output is 0,441 W and on input 0,5705 W. Frenquency 85 kiloherc. Resistor same 1 kiloomh.
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: MenofFather on May 15, 2017, 07:47:52 PM
In Alek Divice one secondary have 15 omhs, other 17 omhs. So if output curent is 0.427 A RMS, then if coils conected in sieries on they be voltage U=IxR= 32 omhs x 0.4=12.8 V. Power disipated on this secondaries be 12.8x 0.4=5.12 W. So output is not 4.53 W, but 9.65 W of heat. So Efficiency real is not 609 precents, but about 1300 precents.
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: justawatt on May 15, 2017, 08:27:47 PM
working split flux transformer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyLWDJ1Uejo

Entrance - 220 Volt, 0.5 Amp ( 110 Wat) Output - 660 Volts, 1.0 Amps ( Wat 660) Load - 600 Wat.
If the load is different, the consumption and output is also different

Transformers 2 kW, each with three windings, each on 110 Volts.
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: MenofFather on May 15, 2017, 09:04:55 PM
working split flux transformer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyLWDJ1Uejo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyLWDJ1Uejo)

Entrance - 220 Volt, 0.5 Amp ( 110 Wat) Output - 660 Volts, 1.0 Amps ( Wat 660) Load - 600 Wat.
If the load is different, the consumption and output is also different

Transformers 2 kW, each with three windings, each on 110 Volts.
From were you get, that input is 0.5 amps? In viddeo is 5.5 amps, and then shorted turn, then about 4.5 amps and 220 volts. On output 600 W  light on 190 V (with shorted turn). So input 990 W. output 500 W.
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: justawatt on May 15, 2017, 11:17:34 PM
before that the device is loaded with series 600 watts light https://youtu.be/fyLWDJ1Uejo?t=1m17s

yah you are right 4.5amp is the value in the video that is when he add the 2 kw heater in the bottle you see https://youtu.be/fyLWDJ1Uejo?t=1m27s

and 5.5amp when he short the coil that smokes after some times.

when this happens input is around 1210 watts and output 600 watts light + 2kw heater coil

I am in contact with the author of this video ,he explained what he did at each stage.

 
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: MenofFather on May 16, 2017, 07:56:21 AM
before that the device is loaded with series 600 watts light https://youtu.be/fyLWDJ1Uejo?t=1m17s (https://youtu.be/fyLWDJ1Uejo?t=1m17s)
That is not 600 W light, but 100 W light (0:49). And hard to say, that is real input amps, because ampermeter not desinged to meashure good 0.5 A curent.

yah you are right 4.5amp is the value in the video that is when he add the 2 kw heater in the bottle you see https://youtu.be/fyLWDJ1Uejo?t=1m27s (https://youtu.be/fyLWDJ1Uejo?t=1m27s)
He add not 2 Kw heater, but shorted turn. They asume, that on it is disipating power 2 KW.  ;D  I think about 50 W. So no meshuremets, that is real power disipating on that shorted turn.

Bold is my coments.
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: MenofFather on May 16, 2017, 08:37:41 AM
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And this osciloscope https://ru.aliexpress.com/item/ISDS205A-PC-Based-USB-Oscilloscope-2CH-20MHz-48MSa-s-FFT-Analyzer-Data-Logger/32352310198.html?spm=2114.03010208.3.47.JMuGm6&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_3_10152_10065_10151_10068_436_10136_10157_10137_10060_10138_10155_10062_10156_10154_10056_10055_10054_10059_100032_100033_100031_10099_10103_10102_10096_10147_10052_10053_10050_10107_10142_10051_10170_10084_10083_10119_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10181_10037_10183_10182_10185_10032_10078_10079_10077_10073_10123_10120_10127_10125-10050_10119_10111,searchweb201603_16,ppcSwitch_5&btsid=007ef57c-c51e-4c16-b839-505fe1c4d5be&algo_expid=05953ef5-9d54-4f28-b274-d5a89ec7a0fb-6&algo_pvid=05953ef5-9d54-4f28-b274-d5a89ec7a0fb (https://ru.aliexpress.com/item/ISDS205A-PC-Based-USB-Oscilloscope-2CH-20MHz-48MSa-s-FFT-Analyzer-Data-Logger/32352310198.html?spm=2114.03010208.3.47.JMuGm6&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_3_10152_10065_10151_10068_436_10136_10157_10137_10060_10138_10155_10062_10156_10154_10056_10055_10054_10059_100032_100033_100031_10099_10103_10102_10096_10147_10052_10053_10050_10107_10142_10051_10170_10084_10083_10119_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10181_10037_10183_10182_10185_10032_10078_10079_10077_10073_10123_10120_10127_10125-10050_10119_10111,searchweb201603_16,ppcSwitch_5&btsid=007ef57c-c51e-4c16-b839-505fe1c4d5be&algo_expid=05953ef5-9d54-4f28-b274-d5a89ec7a0fb-6&algo_pvid=05953ef5-9d54-4f28-b274-d5a89ec7a0fb)
His name MDSO ISDS205A if link do not works. Then he can meshure curent, voltage and phase shift on input and curent and voltage on output resistor. Voltage can meshure on 1 omh resitor to get curent input and output.
 If voltage RMS be on 1 omh 1 volt, that means is one amp RMS curent.
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: forest on May 16, 2017, 09:38:40 AM
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Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
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Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: forest on May 16, 2017, 09:42:37 AM
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Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: MenofFather on May 16, 2017, 12:52:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elb1FgIbqEY&feature=youtu.be
Here my yesterday video meshurements of this transformer without diode bridge. Secondaries conected in series and gose directly to load 1 K resistor 3-5 W maybe. I try yesterday many variations with many resistors (39 omh. 117 omh and others) and frenquencies and in all cases not get overunity with my transformer. Some specifications of my that transformer I write in my one prieviuos comment.
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: seaad on December 17, 2018, 04:00:41 PM
OU as a Cristmas gift

Christmas greetings to all and mr "bass man" Sandy !

Transformer type 1; See pic 1, 2
Test See pic 3

I took two fat ferrite U-cores and four smaller television fly back cores (2017) http://www.energeticforum.com/306841-post622.html.
One of the fat core and two of the FBC:s only acts as an "I" !!
I have TWO input coils in parallell and the output coils in series .

The Input coils had 2x200 turns and output 2x137 turns. Load resistor = 2744 Ohm (certainly not optimum) and phase & current resistor at input = 2 Ohm.

Television fly back cores : KÖNIG ELECTRONIC FAT100, Ferrite=? Smooth blank ferrite
Big U-cores : EPCOS 93x76x30 mm, Ferrite N27

I have made test sequences from 1 kHz to 6 kHz.
Input voltage just below 2 Volts (1.98V mean)

Load resistor = 2744 Ohm.

Current at 1 kHz about 8.5 mA ----> 6 kHz about 1.6 mA.

Input Phase at 1 kHz about 84.0 degree ----> 6 kHz about 89.4 degree.

Performance: 1kHz = 71%, 2kHz = 92%, 3kHz = 109%, 4 kHz = 135%, 5kHz = 171%, 6 kHz = 237%


Input calc. : V x A x cos ==> V x A x (cosinus of the measured degee value)  . . Gives Input power in Watts.

Output calc. : V sqr/R ==> V x V/R. . Gives Output power in Watts.

Power factor (%) : Output power in Watts. / Input power in Watts. x 100

Pat. pending


Regards / Arne
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: F6FLT on December 17, 2018, 05:24:50 PM
@seaad

The bad surprise comes when trying to loop a device. The devil is in the detail.
Did you loop it?
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: lancaIV on December 17, 2018, 07:41:44 PM
Seaad, 2 Volt x 1,6 mAmpere = 3,2 mVA or 0,0032 VA : what is actually your power/Kg density ratio of your concept ?
Sincerely                 OCWL
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: gyulasun on December 18, 2018, 12:39:12 AM
Hi Arne,
Roughly a good year has passed since you mentioned first this transformer setup.
Have you managed to refine your measurements? 

Maybe building an 6 kHz or so oscillator to drive the transformer input (embed it into an oscillator) and this way
measuring the DC input to the oscillator could eliminate the ever problematic measuring of the phase angle.

Gyula
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: seaad on December 18, 2018, 08:50:16 AM
Hi guys

I have only made some tests with a special H-brige, with extremely low idle current, driving a tuned high voltage transformer.
Mainly for testing my type I + II transformers  with a higher voltage input. The COP remained the same.
After that I have been busy with some house and garden projects.

info here;
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/10394-bi-toroid-transformer-thane-c-heins-22.html?highlight=toroid+seaad

Regards Arne
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: nul-points on December 18, 2018, 10:16:06 AM
hi seaad

very interesting results with your multicore!

i have an old multicore i made, inspired by the early Jensen design (which was a long time before Thane Heins BiTT)

as you can see from the photo below it has a common winding on the 2 narrower core loops, but i can remove the winding, separate those loops and rewind a primary on each to emulate your design (the core on the left is another, thicker toroid seen from sideways on)

i see that both you (and Jensen) have used AC drive but i'm more familiar with pulse operation, so i think i'll try that first


good luck with your tests, thanks
np
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: lancaIV on December 18, 2018, 03:37:19 PM
Hello seaad,  probably you heared about Heinrich Kunel and his "static magnetic generator",       
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=12&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19820128&CC=DE&NR=3024814A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=12&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19820128&CC=DE&NR=3024814A1&KC=A1#)

he also wrote about "his device multi-fold cascading" up to MW-output range. Electrical  transformer coupling   how easy/ difficult in financial costs , especially if to include electrity output kind , DC or AC or pulsed AC, ? ----------------You ,seaad,are real experimenter, not only theorist :----------------
So my thinking and this related my question:---------------- transformer overload protection https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inrush_current
each electrical device has for some pulse cycles inrush current and /or inrush voltage ,up to 100 times the nominal value,  so how are you/will you treating this short but to overcome barrier,which kind of " bridge/ glider" ? Inrush limiter ? For each cascade/couple  step a battery/ capacitor bank?
https://www.ametherm.com/inrush-current/inverter-inrush-current-protection (https://www.ametherm.com/inrush-current/inverter-inrush-current-protection)
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: seaad on December 18, 2018, 05:17:01 PM
Hello seaad,  probably you heared about Heinrich Kunel and his "static magnetic generator",
     
So my thinking and this related my question:-- transformer overload protection https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inrush_current
each electrical device has for some pulse cycles inrush current and /or inrush voltage ,up to 100 times the nominal value,

H. Kunel: Yes i have tried that with some gawky experiments. No luck so far.
But I also made many experiments with the split-trafo types without good results first, until suddenly! > 100%. (above my probes, scope uncertainty)
Much of the effect comes from the right core material type (I don't say mine are optimum here)
   See: http://www.energeticforum.com/307037-post642.html
 And the core size ratio.

Inrush voltage is not an issue right now. The important thing now is to bring down the need of Kilo-Volt to the primaries.

Regards Arne
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: lancaIV on December 18, 2018, 06:31:56 PM
I thank you for the answer, but the question was not specific the Kunel-device related( this only stated as example how to treat with great numbers and couplings with several " inrush phase" connections) )  it was and is a geral question:what is the physical and financial cheapest and easiest way to treat this "inrush phase" between couplings in electrical devices ?!f.e.: from a battery to - 1.connection and inrush step - an inverter to - 2. connection inrush step - a motor ......by consumer "no-load up to full load" conditioning!variable " soft drive" arrangement ?-------------------------------------------------------------
https://contest.techbriefs.com/2017/entries/sustainable-technologies/7503------- (https://contest.techbriefs.com/2017/entries/sustainable-technologies/7503-------)
 frequency ( ~ pressure) and output variation : chaos-butterfly in a shoebox
Do you know about the " windhex/Wind witch" internal  process ? -


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windhexe (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windhexe)
Variac?  Air core? Carbon Nano Tube ? Thermionic channel ?let us digitize to solid Voltage,  Amperage and Hertzian swinging/ cycling:one is the winding, the other is the wide( band- width/gap) and the last the fluidum velocity pressure
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: ramset on December 18, 2018, 06:39:25 PM
the very quick 5 minute test mentioned here [ link  provided By Seaad today posted again  below RE: Post 646 last year
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/10394-bi-toroid-transformer-thane-c-heins-22.html?highlight=toroid+seaad (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/10394-bi-toroid-transformer-thane-c-heins-22.html?highlight=toroid+seaad)...
COP200 + will  reach MUCH hotter temperature against ambient then equal test with same input power to resistor in control Box... the temperature comparison between the two will tell the story.
curious if you tried this simple test recommended By member Vortex1 here last year ?.if so and your Device ran hotter than control with same input...truly a merry Christmas indeed..
respectfully

Chet K
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: seaad on December 18, 2018, 07:39:47 PM
@ramset

Thanks for your measuring box suggestion. In this given case with a small input signal to the unit a temperature test will be resultless. Sorry.
I can do the happy dance anyway without using that box if you think the mathematical calculation principle I have given above is correct for this my device.

It acts as a normal transformer seen from the input side.

 Regards Arne
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: lancaIV on December 18, 2018, 08:09:47 PM
http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=102004029434&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en (http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=102004029434&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en) 
       "Normal One" to "Special One"
        normal transformer to wattfree transformer   
        2 primaries and 1 secondary
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

What is the power/Kg density ratio for a well organized " normal transformer" by using these technique https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20010710&CC=US&NR=6259347B1&KC=B1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20010710&CC=US&NR=6259347B1&KC=B1#)
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: ramset on December 18, 2018, 08:34:00 PM
Seaad..
members need jepeg Images of test equipment, latest schematic and all test procedures [or photos] from energetic forum for proper analysis Not all members here have accts over there ?... I can mirror everything here if you like ...?
or can you ?
with gratitude and respect..
Chet
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: seaad on December 18, 2018, 08:45:35 PM
 @ramset

You can mirror anytning you like.

@ lancaIV

Any pic or link to a pic of that 5-legged trafo?
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: lancaIV on December 18, 2018, 09:00:52 PM
Seaad,

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20181026&CC=DE&NR=202018004259U1&KC=U1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20181026&CC=DE&NR=202018004259U1&KC=U1#)

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20060112&CC=DE&NR=102004029434A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20060112&CC=DE&NR=102004029434A1&KC=A1#)
the first compared with the second
is and has by physical process the same base compared to the 5- legs transformator.

The last sentence (!):
http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=claims-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=102004029434&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en

Related [0014]  about the easy- and cheap-ness of a prototype
http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=U1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=202018004259&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en (http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=U1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=202018004259&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en)
We are all not in hurry ! BUT SOLUTION IN PROGRESS

Merry Christmas!

OCWL
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: seaad on December 19, 2018, 09:17:37 AM
Exellent lancaIV

The five legged transformer is my choice if I want to "trick"  my house power meter and save me energy money.
Much easier to build than mine, I presume.
My type I+II probably have a need for HV input feeding but gives OU!

A kvick comparisment test (6 kc- 15kc) gives: High (φ) about 85- 86 degrees as patent says. A weak output voltage as my trafos but with lower output-impedance than my trafos (depending of this tranformer lower phase angle, than mine)
Perfomance about 92%. (90- 99% span)
OU not to expect!

Regards Arne
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: lancaIV on December 19, 2018, 09:57:58 AM
I never ex(s)pect OU, but want to get ever an high converter work c.o.p. over 1 !
How to treat and translate/converse electro-magnetism :
a. http://web.archive.org/web/20160316101924/http://peswiki.com/index.php/Article:Joe_Flynn%27s_Parallel_Path_Magnetic_Technology_--_by_Tim_Harwood (http://web.archive.org/web/20160316101924/http://peswiki.com/index.php/Article:Joe_Flynn%27s_Parallel_Path_Magnetic_Technology_--_by_Tim_Harwood)( beside the flux strength augmentation "Losses in the system",  last paragraph)

b. F=BIL and nihilation/ compensation : the B/2B  field strength Volt and Ampere ratio
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19790215&CC=DE&NR=2733719A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19790215&CC=DE&NR=2733719A1&KC=A1#)

Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: seaad on January 04, 2019, 05:13:36 PM
Info:
Just a comparison: I made some tests with the "five legged transformer" suggested above and found that I got much better performance with higher frequencies when I used the (Television) HV-transformers.
@10 kHz (80 degrees)  Efficiency In/out =96%, 
@30 kHz (86 degrees) Efficiency In/out =99,7%
With SiFe (normal transformer)  I-laminations clamped together and multi turn coils.
@50 Hz  (78 degrees) Efficiency In/out =39% (with the outmost legs HARD clamped as the rest)
@50 Hz  (70 degrees) Efficiency In/out =70% (with the outmost legs not hard clamped = tiny airgaps)

Regards Arne
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: lancaIV on January 04, 2019, 06:20:31 PM
Info:
Just a comparison: I made some tests with the "five legged transformer" suggested above and found that I got much better performance with higher frequencies when I used the (Television) HV-transformers.
@10 kHz (80 degrees)  Efficiency In/out =96%, 
@30 kHz (86 degrees) Efficiency In/out =99,7%
With SiFe (normal transformer)  I-laminations clamped together and multi turn coils.
@50 Hz  (78 degrees) Efficiency In/out =39% (with the outmost legs HARD clamped as the rest)
@50 Hz  (70 degrees) Efficiency In/out =70% (with the outmost legs not hard clamped = tiny airgaps)

Regards Arne
Congratulations for the technical near-unity stage !Now the input and output variance, also under temperature observationwmbr Ocwl
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: seaad on January 09, 2019, 11:52:50 PM
Today I have conducted some tests with the aim of better accuracy and comparison.

1) I did first a test with the original 5 leg trafo measured with both my Fluke multimeter and with my Oscilloscope. See below.

2) Then a test with a Special 5 leg trafo where the two cross flux legs (U-cores) are fitted between the primarys and the secondary.
This rises the output voltage but lower the OU effect!

3) And at last a test with a normal transformer konfig,.

All tests are at 10 kHz.  And the load resistos are chosen so they reduces the free "swinging" output voltage to about halv  that voltage,  in all tests.

1a)  5-leg               FLUKE      IN:  1,95 V   0,95 mA     74 degrees        OUT:  1,162 V    107,1 %                        10KHz      Load 2469 Ohm
1b)  5-leg               SCOPE     IN:  3,4 V     3,4   mA     74 degrees        OUT:  2,04 V      105,8 %     1,68 mW      10 kHz     Load 2469 Ohm

2)   5-leg  Special   SCOPE     IN:  3,37 V  3,0 mA       70,4 degrees      OUT:  2,72 V      104,75 %    3,56 mW      10 kHz     Load 2080 Ohm

3)   Normal trafo    SCOPE     IN:  3,11 V  10,85 mA    58,25 degrees   OUT:  2,99 V       98,9  %      17,56 mW     10 kHz     Load 509 Ohm

Regards Arne

Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: lancaIV on January 10, 2019, 12:16:20 AM
Good  progress, remarkend also the good " normal trafo" efficiency !
Caution and als advice : http://practicalphysics.org/explaining-rms-voltage-and-current.html
One important point : source - primary anf secondary-load " inrush a.voltage b.current" behaviour !?
 Sincerely
OCWL
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: nul-points on January 10, 2019, 12:21:40 AM
thanks seaad


i hope to try for a repn. (not sure how close i can get to the core topology), after i finish my current set of datalogging with my WithFeedback circuit


your results looking good - i'm hoping the high efficiency will also apply to pulse operation!


np
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: seaad on January 10, 2019, 12:45:17 AM
Just one clarification to my previous post.

 In this case may not the expression "normal transformer" is fair because I used two primary coils here, in parallel.
 In the same way they are used in the 5 leg trafo.

Regards Arne
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: lancaIV on January 10, 2019, 01:49:14 AM
A-ha, really important ! Did not known that " normal one" would get such efficient work , even by 10 KHz !Especially by this low voltage step down level !
Material and saturation  ! B/H core specification

Trimming and dimming the charge by capacitive winding, a. primar-y/ ies later b. secondary :
http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=U1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=29910512&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en
 
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: Magluvin on January 10, 2019, 03:20:09 AM
Maybe Allek chosing frenquency that is resonant frenquency of secondarys?
In this video he demonstrating his transformer, then secondarys have 120 turns each secondarys. And to primary he is giving sine 3200 herc and it only on about this frenquency is overunity (6) on other frenquency almost no overunity (1).
Maybe if your secondarys have not many turns you can add same capasitor to each secondary if each seconady have about same inductance.
I have a pdf about multi core inductors, ill post it when I get home.

If you have say 2 cores, 1 with the primary input and the secondary that links  the primary core and the second core, a cool thing takes place. Loading the secondary doesnt affect the function of a primary resonant circuit. It says in the pdf that this 2 core setup will not yield overunity say used as a transformer, but it does state the primary resonance will not be disturbed by the loaded secondary, as it would in a normal transformer. The output on the sec is not as much as one might expect when trying to be used as a normal transformer. But when the primary is set up to oscillate as a resonant circuit, if the amplitude of the resonance is much greater than brute force normal transformer voltage input, and that resonant state of the primary with a cap, or bifilar which includes the cap in the coil, can be had very efficiently, then that may just be the ticket here. That could raise the dismal sec output to a more respectable level, all just by tapping the primary bell to keep it ringing. Ill post the pdf soon. Posted it here many times already. Some guys call these russian ragdolls, as there can be many more coils and cores to try. But Id say the possible key here is the primary resonant oscillation is not affected by the load. Like tapping into a pendulum to do some work and the pendulum just keeps on swinging and ignores the work load. ;)
Mags
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: Magluvin on January 10, 2019, 07:59:28 AM
Here is the pdf.   ;)

Mags
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: seaad on January 10, 2019, 09:18:32 AM
Thanks Magluvin for your input  to us.

I  think I have that document somewhere in my 'backyard', a bit forgotten. I'm going to look at it again to see if I can pick some pieces to improve my testing.
 I have tested some pimary resonant variants of my own also before but not achieved any OU yet with them.

Regards Arne
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: Magluvin on January 12, 2019, 02:51:46 AM
Ya know, I pick up on new things the more I read that pdf over the years. Its such a short read and I cant believe Im picking up on things from it that I didnt notice before  Im going to do some stuff on that here soon. Im going stop taking in jobs at my shop and dedicate it to these things and my things. Have a job and as I get jobs in here, they are just dragging me down when it comes to these things. That has to stop. ;D
Here is pics of one that I tried years ago and still have it here. Didnt have a scope than, so its time to bring it out.
Mags
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: Magluvin on January 12, 2019, 02:58:35 AM
Posted the picks in my last post and they were way too large. Here they are.
Mags
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: Magluvin on January 12, 2019, 03:03:23 AM
This was from the pdf of what I had done but with 5 cores instead of 3. Basically it is a culmination of the other ideas in the pdf as a final design.
Mags
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: F6FLT on January 12, 2019, 12:12:21 PM

All the coils are coupled, they all influence each other. The power supplied to one or more will be distributed to the others. A resonance will not change anything except the distribution of the coupling which will no longer necessarily share the power equally between each coil. But in any case the sum of the captured energies cannot be greater than the one provided, there is nothing new here that could produce something unexpected.
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: lancaIV on January 12, 2019, 12:29:05 PM
Big process,  small process, nano process and converting device :

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_rectenna (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_rectenna)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared_spectroscopy (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared_spectroscopy)
                           Infrared or vibrational( temperature ?) : near-/ mid-/ far IR
If something is too big : divide et impera it!

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=Concentrator+solar&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Winston&IN=&CPC=&IC= (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=Concentrator+solar&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Winston&IN=&CPC=&IC=)
Fraktionieren,  making transform-/useable
https://patents.google.com/patent/US6910332 (https://patents.google.com/patent/US6910332)
https://peswiki.com/directory:fellows-thermoacoustic-cycle-tac-generator (https://peswiki.com/directory:fellows-thermoacoustic-cycle-tac-generator)
Art/-En & Weise/-n :  Kind/Kinds& Modus/Modi

This here,  Magluvins prototype, is an opto-electric or acousto-electric device
https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Rebecca/Eureka_transponding_radar (https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Rebecca/Eureka_transponding_radar)             

       near/ mid/ far field detector/ transceiver  ( and responder, by all own responsibility)

          Spieglein,Spieglein,an der Wand ,.......   

         Was wohl die Wand antwortet: Mene-left Mene-right , o vale me deus !
         Oder : Hier spricht der automatische Spieglein-Recorder : bin gerade nicht anwesend!
                     "DU" kannst MIR aber jederzeit... ..... :P ??? ::) ;)
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: seaad on January 12, 2019, 01:27:36 PM
I have made some quick tests according to (Magluvin Reply #65 above)  with the "main principle" multi core transformer.

I did the tests with my Fluke multimeter and with my Oscilloscope for the phases.

Tests are at 10 kHz.  And the load resistos are chosen so they reduces the free "swinging" output voltage to about halv  that voltage,  in all tests. All coils 100 turns.

A   Open cores       FLUKE      IN:  1,89 V  6 mA          82,6 degrees        OUT:  0.24 V    65 %       10KHz      Load 59 Ohm
B   Closed core      FLUKE      IN:  1,85 V  4.15  mA     60,3 degrees        OUT:  0,86 V    88,7%     10 kHz     Load 217 Ohm

No extra here.

Regards Arne
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: seaad on January 14, 2019, 02:03:20 PM
The resulting effect comes when I'm using one  plus two pairs of my HV TV cores. KÖNIG ELECTRONIC FAT100  A single loop and a double core loop.
Pic @ 10 kHz

Regards Arne
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: lancaIV on January 14, 2019, 02:29:02 PM
#60: Allek or Alek, Bill https://www.intalek.com/Index/Index.htm (https://www.intalek.com/Index/Index.htm)
 ( Otto and Roberto : o tempi o mori 2007 : TPU-ECD or "Moebiusband- collector     https://overunity.com/2538/tpu-ecd-dokumentation-in-deutsch (https://overunity.com/2538/tpu-ecd-dokumentation-in-deutsch) )


Magluvins and this "Lambda Ray converter" prototype :
http://www.saers.com/recorder/craig/TENewsV2/TENews94/TENews94.html (http://www.saers.com/recorder/craig/TENewsV2/TENews94/TENews94.html)
--------------------------------

 seaad , a new adjustement, why not !   117-120 % defends trial&error and trial&success experiments  ! 

Have you got low strenght and strong force magnets near you?

Distance to coil and nearing the coil p, s1, s2; can you make one side warm/hot the other side cool/ cold. ?
--------------------------

https://overunity.com/search2/   (https://overunity.com/search2/)
filling " autotransformer "
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: seychelles on January 14, 2019, 07:14:38 PM
YOU WILL GET BETTER RESULTS IF THE FOUR OUTER COILS WERE
TIGHT FIT TO THE FERITE CORES, EASY JUST DOUBLE DONUTS THEM,
IF YOU GET THE DRIFT.
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: seaad on January 14, 2019, 07:44:16 PM
@ seychelles

Maybe you misunderstand my simple picture. The black three things are the ferrite cores. 1+2
Or I misunderstand you depending on what post of mine you are referring to.
Right now I'm just trying to find the best principle from all the possibilities / combinations. Not maximum performance.
That comes later.

@lancaIV
Quote: "Theory and Methods of Generating Electricity from Lambda Rays (AKA "VHE Gamma Rays"
You have to explain to me how "Lambda Rays" fits to this thread. I'm not sure I'm the guy understanding such. ::)

Regards Arne
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: lancaIV on January 14, 2019, 10:11:30 PM
@ seychelles

Maybe you misunderstand my simple picture. The black three things are the ferrite cores. 1+2
Or I misunderstand you depending on what post of mine you are referring to.
Right now I'm just trying to find the best principle from all the possibilities / combinations. Not maximum performance.
That comes later.

@lancaIV
Quote: "Theory and Methods of Generating Electricity from Lambda Rays (AKA "VHE Gamma Rays"
You have to explain to me how "Lambda Rays" fits to this thread. I'm not sure I'm the guy understanding such. ::)

Regards Arne
I only posted this related Magluvins prototype and it is not the demand to buy for the next experiments a " Geigerzaehler" which measures Becquerel ;
( this is more hospital radiology and MRT/CRT space)
we can stay by conventional EE and known transformer construction techniques
but a little TMR-knowledge is ever good
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: seychelles on January 15, 2019, 04:14:29 PM
hi sead, i am talking about the one in the pics that you got 88 % ..
the output coils need to be close tight to the ferites,.
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: lancaIV on January 15, 2019, 05:44:44 PM
Hi seaad, how are you  !
Conventional EE-technology : Maxwell-Ampere
For a n-p-n solarcell equivalent principle is for a motionless con-/ inverter the need of :
a. an electric emf circuit
b. a magnetic mmf circuit
and - logical- combinate each other !
The most known first industrial  trial has been by the Argentinian Subieta-Garron.Pre-industrial I would recognize the inventor Alexander Graham Bell as pioneer.
                                        -------------------------
To understand the internal emf and mmf streams I recomend to read ( with paper and pencil for notifications) the Keiichiro Asaoka publication related " static dynamo" based by conventional transformer technique :

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=17&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19990720&CC=US&NR=5926083A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=17&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19990720&CC=US&NR=5926083A&KC=A#)
How many different directions and how many streams in one/ two/... cores !?
The coils,  beginning with their turns : ccw or cw?  Combined - bifiliar- coils?

The coils ccw or cw turns orientation related to the core internal flow directions!?

The effect from an open circuit air gap and closed : in efficiency by power savings !?
Saturation point attention : cristalin or amorph dynamo-core. !? Frequency range  for power density. !?

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Later this "easy seeming " Keiichiro device :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=JP&NR=2003009558A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=20030110&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=JP&NR=2003009558A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=20030110&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#)

The EE-space and energy conversion potential is wide enough,  the device costs by Keiichiro view point :

Not " not expensive" , not  " inexpensive" but from " extremely inexpensive"  the inventor remarked !

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For future power-densities look for Harold Goldbaum converter numbers, dependant from frequency :                                            " shoe-box dimension" :
https://contest.techbriefs.com/2013/entries/sustainable-technologies/3537 (https://contest.techbriefs.com/2013/entries/sustainable-technologies/3537)
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: seaad on January 16, 2019, 01:18:04 PM
hi sead, i am talking about the one in the pics that you got 88 % ..
the output coils need to be close tight to the ferites,.

Ok understand. I'm going to do a test later but I'm not expecting much from a decreased diameter. I used 100 turns and vill test with 200 at the same freq next time an see if I can come close or above 100%.

A question to all;
Is this math formula relevant / valid for split flux transformers ??
 Volt x Amp x Cos to phase angle = Input wattage  Real Power.

Stand by. Arne
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: lancaIV on January 17, 2019, 09:20:35 AM
Hi seaad, how are you  !
Conventional EE-technology : Maxwell-Ampere
For a n-p-n solarcell equivalent principle is for a motionless con-/ inverter the need of :
a. an electric emf circuit
b. a magnetic mmf circuit
and - logical- combinate each other !
The most known first industrial  trial has been by the Argentinian Subieta-Garron.Pre-industrial I would recognize the inventor Alexander Graham Bell as pioneer.
                                        -------------------------
To understand the internal emf and mmf streams I recomend to read ( with paper and pencil for notifications) the Keiichiro Asaoka publication related " static dynamo" based by conventional transformer technique :

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=17&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19990720&CC=US&NR=5926083A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=17&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19990720&CC=US&NR=5926083A&KC=A#)
How many different directions and how many streams in one/ two/... cores !?
The coils,  beginning with their turns : ccw or cw?  Combined - bifiliar- coils?

The coils ccw or cw turns orientation related to the core internal flow directions!?

The effect from an open circuit air gap and closed : in efficiency by power savings !?
Saturation point attention : cristalin or amorph dynamo-core. !? Frequency range  for power density. !?

-----------------------------------
Later this "easy seeming " Keiichiro device :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=JP&NR=2003009558A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=20030110&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=JP&NR=2003009558A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=20030110&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#)

The EE-space and energy conversion potential is wide enough,  the device costs by Keiichiro view point :

Not " not expensive" , not  " inexpensive" but from " extremely inexpensive"  the inventor remarked !

-------------------------------------
For future power-densities look for Harold Goldbaum converter numbers, dependant from frequency :                                            " shoe-box dimension" :
https://contest.techbriefs.com/2013/entries/sustainable-technologies/3537 (https://contest.techbriefs.com/2013/entries/sustainable-technologies/3537)
https://tesla3.com/hilden-brand-jack/
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: seaad on January 17, 2019, 11:40:45 AM
Hi LankaIV
Thanks for all of your many good but misplaced suggestions.
The topic of this thread is Split Flux Transformer. Your hint about the 5 leg transformer was good and right here. Thanks for that!
 But as you now mentioned Jack Hildebrandt [ motor ] I can tell that I have conducted some experiments to  see if and how a Hildebrandt:s ON - OFF magnet control principle could be used as a prime mover in a split flux transformer / generator / induction situation. What I found so far is that his principle works great for devices that moves, as well as motors. Good when it comes to attract metals magetically.  But are not suitable at all in a transformer / generator,  concept. Thats my findings so far but they where only some quick tests and not deep enough. More testing must be done. So I can be wrong.

Regards Arne
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: lancaIV on January 17, 2019, 11:53:51 AM
Split Flux Transformer :
Split
Flux
Transformer

DC converter,"MEG", DC motor-DC generator ( independent: cw and ccw)

AC converter,"MEG",AC motor cw-AC alternator cw             

                        "MEG", AC motor ccw-AC alternator ccw
               
DC/AC inverter,"MEG",DC motor-AC alternator cw                         

                                       DC motor-AC alternator ccw


                 ergo converter/ inverter :: AC output : ccw or cw !? .... and ..... ?

                             Misplaced. ?

                            3 fluxes freedoms degrees : rotatory,  translatory,  linear                   

                           Rotative or as "MEG" or "MET"= motion-free transformer
                          "feedback" in an AC circuit ? Output cw or ccw and feedback input ?                                                                   

                            In an impulse DC or/ and impulse AC circuit ?
                           Winding turns right oriented ? Winding pulse turnings right oriented ?
                           AC sinus    positive 1/2 wave : ccw or cw and negative 1/2 wave : ccw or cw
                           AC sharp/ shark. ?
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: seaad on January 19, 2019, 11:56:20 PM
Ok understand. I'm going to do a test later but I'm not expecting much from a decreased diameter. I used 100 turns and vill test with 200 at the same freq next time an see if I can come close or above 100%.
 Arne

 @ seychelles
Hi, Have now made a second test with 200 turns to all windings. At 10 kHz it gave  n= 99% ,   At 5 kHz ; 98,4%   and   2 kHz ; 86%
Input: 3,4 V  Output: 1,4 V Output idle no load: 2,9 V

Regards Arne

Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: seychelles on January 20, 2019, 07:04:18 AM
Thanks for your effort, great improvement.
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: seychelles on January 20, 2019, 07:08:43 AM
Now for an extra request, tune each coil to resonance
with series or parallel  capacitors. You might see some
better result..Each coil independently.
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: seaad on January 20, 2019, 12:35:53 PM
Now for an extra request, tune each coil to resonance
with series or parallel  capacitors. You might see some
better result..Each coil independently.

I have done a test with this "Main Principle Transformer" with all four input coils in parallel also.
The result was at 5 kHz parallel about 86 %  (At 5 kHz series ; 98,4% )

 To tune each individual coil with such hard coupling factor between all of them as we have here is (more or less) impossible.
Imagine hard hard coupling what will happen. It's not possible without special equipments as a (special) sweep generator or similar. That's a must.

The pic  below shows what happens when (only) TWO tuned coils have different coupling factor.
Lose coupling ==> single peak  . . .  Hard ==> duoble peak
I made a test with only one capacitor across all 4 parallel inputs at 6,8 kHz  That gave; n=68%

Arne
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: nul-points on January 20, 2019, 03:42:11 PM
hi seaad, so its gone from 88% to 99% just by tightening the winding on the core?    are the cores tightly clamped?


thanks
np
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: seaad on January 20, 2019, 05:18:56 PM
hi seaad, so its gone from 88% to 99% just by tightening the winding on the core?    are the cores tightly clamped?
thanks
np

"by tightening the winding on the core"
No, I took my 'normal' 100 turns test coils [ bicycle tire look alike ]  and twisted them so I got 200 turns from them.
 I haven't checked any tightening effect at all. Of course can that improve things here a bit but I know from experience from my earlier tests by raising the amount of turns to 200 turns, gives a much greater impact. And I was lazy too.   It would mean that I had to wind Four new coils.     Huuh  ;)

I know that the distance between a primary physically at a more perifere position from the secondary coil can affect the result both positively and negatively in different situations
as I found in my Figuera experiments for instance.

"are the cores tightly clamped?"
Thats really a relevant question.
 By using the top U cores as I-beams they creates a shorter magnetic path. But instead the back side of the U-cores is not as smooth as the rounded  top edges that fits exactly to each other. So yes,  here will be tiny gaps. And these first tests where only to find  some "potential".
More testing can certainly show the differences and improve the result because we can feel the smell of OU behind the 100 %.
 For instance to put the primarys at the four central "legs" beneath the secondary winding instead ??
 And go up in frequency . . . . . .

"clamped" = No / Yes  Gravity clamped  ::) ::)

Regars Arne
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: nul-points on January 20, 2019, 09:37:00 PM
ah ok, thanks Arne


yes, maybe i should have said 'closely', rather than 'tightly' for the windings, but it seems to be a positive move when you're ready to settle on a config


the core clamping possibly more important in a 'final' design - since the ferrite cores already have a default 'gap' due to the distributed mix inside the core


...when i look at that particular design i feel that there ought to be a propellor on the top of each leg   ;)


all the best
np
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: seaad on January 21, 2019, 01:51:24 PM
Hi, Have now made more tests with the "Main Principle Transformer".
 200 turns in all windings and different loads tested plus a bit reconfigurated cores.
At 10 kHz I got my best value around 99,5%.
This transformer falls into the category multi input primarys and givs a high performance as
my earier test in post #55  pos 3) did.
 
Arne
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: norman6538 on January 21, 2019, 02:22:09 PM
Arnie where is the  Jack Hildebrandt  motor information.
Google gave me nothing.

Norman
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: lancaIV on January 21, 2019, 03:15:31 PM
Arnie where is the  Jack Hildebrandt  motor information.
Google gave me nothing.

Norman
https://peswiki.com/directory:hilden-brand-electromagnet-motor
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: seaad on January 21, 2019, 03:53:28 PM
Inventor Jack W. Hildenbrand
https://patents.google.com/patent/US7453341
https://tesla3.com/hilden-brand-jack/
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: lancaIV on January 24, 2019, 06:12:27 AM
AC- counter- Voltage- synthezising


A. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigonometry
  - especially by cos phi 90° and 180° relationship of phases
https://www.google.com/search?q=cos+phi+90%C2%B0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b

B.

Tanaka Saburo
http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=JP&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2004056987&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=ja&TRGLANG=en (http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=JP&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2004056987&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=ja&TRGLANG=en)
http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=JP&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2005160215&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=ja&TRGLANG=en (http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=JP&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2005160215&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=ja&TRGLANG=en)
Pavel Imris
http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=U1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=29910512&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en (http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=U1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=29910512&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en)
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: seaad on January 24, 2019, 04:40:22 PM
LancaIR, it seems that you took aim more accurate this time.

 The interesting patent from Tanaka Saburo must be an item we have to investigate more in and test.
Thank you.
And maybe the rest also.
If we get lucky, hopefully  that works. Let's see.

If this principle works with a working loop (pic /2/ )configuration then my question about the math and phase in post #76 is not valid  anymore.
 
[ relevant / valid for split flux transformers ??
 Volt x Amp x Cos to phase angle = Input wattage  Real Power.]

Regards Arne
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: seaad on January 26, 2019, 10:54:35 AM

 I can't find anything true and useful  in the patent from Tanaka Saburo so far,  maybe someone else can?
Regards Arne
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: lancaIV on January 26, 2019, 11:50:14 AM
Hello seaad,  the #91 Tanaka Saburo multiplier translations are from 2002/2003 applications,
2016/2015 he applied once more :

http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=JP&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2016174482&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=ja&TRGLANG=en (http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=JP&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2016174482&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=ja&TRGLANG=en)
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20150507&CC=JP&NR=2015089324A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20150507&CC=JP&NR=2015089324A&KC=A#)

https://www.google.com/search?q=voltage+90%C2%B0+angle+phase+shift&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b (https://www.google.com/search?q=voltage+90%C2%B0+angle+phase+shift&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading_and_lagging_current (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading_and_lagging_current)
Independent from Tanaka or Imris : it is a must to know,  understand and apply these processes  !
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volt-ampere_reactive
Active Reactive Apparent  Power
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power
To  Effektive Power

Or displacement current to effective current
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: seaad on January 26, 2019, 12:06:57 PM
Please lancaIV test your suggestions before release.
I'm doing so mostly, not always.
But of course it's really easy to fool yourself
even with a test.

 Regards Arne
Title: Re: Split Flux Transformer
Post by: lancaIV on January 27, 2019, 01:34:28 PM
Hello seaad,
clearly the opinion that the written processes has to be tested and appropriate constructed !
applied 1965, page 30 from the " original document" , related EMK or EMF and the Max./Min flux relationship   in correlation with " Lenzs' Law"( inverse : Flemings' Law)
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=DE&NR=1488837A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=5&date=19690313&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=DE&NR=1488837A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=5&date=19690313&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#)
For 2 KW output only 75 Gr. permanent magnet weight !
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19761217&CC=FR&NR=2312135A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19761217&CC=FR&NR=2312135A1&KC=A1#)
This as final theoretical input !
Wishing experimental success
OCWL

p.s.:    2008 in ES, Spain granted but now free            http://invenes.oepm.es/InvenesWeb/detalle?referencia=P200403033 (http://invenes.oepm.es/InvenesWeb/detalle?referencia=P200403033)
           probably for interest his circuit