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Offline ramset

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Re: Split Flux Transformer
« Reply #45 on: December 18, 2018, 06:39:25 PM »
the very quick 5 minute test mentioned here [ link  provided By Seaad today posted again  below RE: Post 646 last year
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/10394-bi-toroid-transformer-thane-c-heins-22.html?highlight=toroid+seaad...
COP200 + will  reach MUCH hotter temperature against ambient then equal test with same input power to resistor in control Box... the temperature comparison between the two will tell the story.
curious if you tried this simple test recommended By member Vortex1 here last year ?.if so and your Device ran hotter than control with same input...truly a merry Christmas indeed..
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Re: Split Flux Transformer
« Reply #45 on: December 18, 2018, 06:39:25 PM »

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Re: Split Flux Transformer
« Reply #46 on: December 18, 2018, 07:39:47 PM »
@ramset

Thanks for your measuring box suggestion. In this given case with a small input signal to the unit a temperature test will be resultless. Sorry.
I can do the happy dance anyway without using that box if you think the mathematical calculation principle I have given above is correct for this my device.

It acts as a normal transformer seen from the input side.

 Regards Arne

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Re: Split Flux Transformer
« Reply #47 on: December 18, 2018, 08:09:47 PM »
http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=102004029434&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en 
       "Normal One" to "Special One"
        normal transformer to wattfree transformer   
        2 primaries and 1 secondary
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What is the power/Kg density ratio for a well organized " normal transformer" by using these technique https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20010710&CC=US&NR=6259347B1&KC=B1#

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Re: Split Flux Transformer
« Reply #47 on: December 18, 2018, 08:09:47 PM »
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Offline ramset

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Re: Split Flux Transformer
« Reply #48 on: December 18, 2018, 08:34:00 PM »
Seaad..
members need jepeg Images of test equipment, latest schematic and all test procedures [or photos] from energetic forum for proper analysis Not all members here have accts over there ?... I can mirror everything here if you like ...?
or can you ?
with gratitude and respect..
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Re: Split Flux Transformer
« Reply #49 on: December 18, 2018, 08:45:35 PM »
 @ramset

You can mirror anytning you like.

@ lancaIV

Any pic or link to a pic of that 5-legged trafo?

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Re: Split Flux Transformer
« Reply #49 on: December 18, 2018, 08:45:35 PM »
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Re: Split Flux Transformer
« Reply #51 on: December 19, 2018, 09:17:37 AM »
Exellent lancaIV

The five legged transformer is my choice if I want to "trick"  my house power meter and save me energy money.
Much easier to build than mine, I presume.
My type I+II probably have a need for HV input feeding but gives OU!

A kvick comparisment test (6 kc- 15kc) gives: High (φ) about 85- 86 degrees as patent says. A weak output voltage as my trafos but with lower output-impedance than my trafos (depending of this tranformer lower phase angle, than mine)
Perfomance about 92%. (90- 99% span)
OU not to expect!

Regards Arne

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Re: Split Flux Transformer
« Reply #51 on: December 19, 2018, 09:17:37 AM »
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Offline lancaIV

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Re: Split Flux Transformer
« Reply #52 on: December 19, 2018, 09:57:58 AM »
I never ex(s)pect OU, but want to get ever an high converter work c.o.p. over 1 !
How to treat and translate/converse electro-magnetism :
a. http://web.archive.org/web/20160316101924/http://peswiki.com/index.php/Article:Joe_Flynn%27s_Parallel_Path_Magnetic_Technology_--_by_Tim_Harwood( beside the flux strength augmentation "Losses in the system",  last paragraph)

b. F=BIL and nihilation/ compensation : the B/2B  field strength Volt and Ampere ratio
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19790215&CC=DE&NR=2733719A1&KC=A1#


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Re: Split Flux Transformer
« Reply #53 on: January 04, 2019, 05:13:36 PM »
Info:
Just a comparison: I made some tests with the "five legged transformer" suggested above and found that I got much better performance with higher frequencies when I used the (Television) HV-transformers.
@10 kHz (80 degrees)  Efficiency In/out =96%, 
@30 kHz (86 degrees) Efficiency In/out =99,7%
With SiFe (normal transformer)  I-laminations clamped together and multi turn coils.
@50 Hz  (78 degrees) Efficiency In/out =39% (with the outmost legs HARD clamped as the rest)
@50 Hz  (70 degrees) Efficiency In/out =70% (with the outmost legs not hard clamped = tiny airgaps)

Regards Arne

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Re: Split Flux Transformer
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Re: Split Flux Transformer
« Reply #54 on: January 04, 2019, 06:20:31 PM »
Info:
Just a comparison: I made some tests with the "five legged transformer" suggested above and found that I got much better performance with higher frequencies when I used the (Television) HV-transformers.
@10 kHz (80 degrees)  Efficiency In/out =96%, 
@30 kHz (86 degrees) Efficiency In/out =99,7%
With SiFe (normal transformer)  I-laminations clamped together and multi turn coils.
@50 Hz  (78 degrees) Efficiency In/out =39% (with the outmost legs HARD clamped as the rest)
@50 Hz  (70 degrees) Efficiency In/out =70% (with the outmost legs not hard clamped = tiny airgaps)

Regards Arne
Congratulations for the technical near-unity stage !Now the input and output variance, also under temperature observationwmbr Ocwl

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Re: Split Flux Transformer
« Reply #55 on: January 09, 2019, 11:52:50 PM »
Today I have conducted some tests with the aim of better accuracy and comparison.

1) I did first a test with the original 5 leg trafo measured with both my Fluke multimeter and with my Oscilloscope. See below.

2) Then a test with a Special 5 leg trafo where the two cross flux legs (U-cores) are fitted between the primarys and the secondary.
This rises the output voltage but lower the OU effect!

3) And at last a test with a normal transformer konfig,.

All tests are at 10 kHz.  And the load resistos are chosen so they reduces the free "swinging" output voltage to about halv  that voltage,  in all tests.

1a)  5-leg               FLUKE      IN:  1,95 V   0,95 mA     74 degrees        OUT:  1,162 V    107,1 %                        10KHz      Load 2469 Ohm
1b)  5-leg               SCOPE     IN:  3,4 V     3,4   mA     74 degrees        OUT:  2,04 V      105,8 %     1,68 mW      10 kHz     Load 2469 Ohm

2)   5-leg  Special   SCOPE     IN:  3,37 V  3,0 mA       70,4 degrees      OUT:  2,72 V      104,75 %    3,56 mW      10 kHz     Load 2080 Ohm

3)   Normal trafo    SCOPE     IN:  3,11 V  10,85 mA    58,25 degrees   OUT:  2,99 V       98,9  %      17,56 mW     10 kHz     Load 509 Ohm

Regards Arne


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Re: Split Flux Transformer
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Re: Split Flux Transformer
« Reply #56 on: January 10, 2019, 12:16:20 AM »
Good  progress, remarkend also the good " normal trafo" efficiency !
Caution and als advice : http://practicalphysics.org/explaining-rms-voltage-and-current.html
One important point : source - primary anf secondary-load " inrush a.voltage b.current" behaviour !?
 Sincerely
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Re: Split Flux Transformer
« Reply #57 on: January 10, 2019, 12:21:40 AM »
thanks seaad


i hope to try for a repn. (not sure how close i can get to the core topology), after i finish my current set of datalogging with my WithFeedback circuit


your results looking good - i'm hoping the high efficiency will also apply to pulse operation!


np

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Re: Split Flux Transformer
« Reply #58 on: January 10, 2019, 12:45:17 AM »
Just one clarification to my previous post.

 In this case may not the expression "normal transformer" is fair because I used two primary coils here, in parallel.
 In the same way they are used in the 5 leg trafo.

Regards Arne

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Re: Split Flux Transformer
« Reply #59 on: January 10, 2019, 01:49:14 AM »
A-ha, really important ! Did not known that " normal one" would get such efficient work , even by 10 KHz !Especially by this low voltage step down level !
Material and saturation  ! B/H core specification

Trimming and dimming the charge by capacitive winding, a. primar-y/ ies later b. secondary :
http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=U1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=29910512&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en
 

 

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