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Title: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on May 10, 2017, 06:35:02 PM
This machine is based on gravity power and seesaw system.
We can make it more simple .
As per sketch there will be two seesaw system and both will be attached with a hook.This hook will work to hold the seesaw.There will a middle track which will work a pathway to transport the object from one seesaw to another seesaw.

there will be two motors which will work to inclined the both side seesaw systems by pushing the counter weight side of each seesaw.

When right side motor will  work to push up  the counter weight side of seesaw then it will be inclined and object will get start to move towards left side and arrived on the left side seesaw and now left side  motor will work to push the counter weight side arm to inclined the seesaw and object will move towards right side.

In this way each seesaw will work turn by turn.

If we take object  mass 1000 kilogram  then the mass of counter weight will be also 1000 kilogram .If motor works to push  the counter weight side of balanced seesaw towards upside up to 50 centimeter then as per potential energy formula

P.E.=mgh
P.E.= 1000*10*.50
P.E.=5000 joule

P.E.=K.E.
So the counter weight side of seesaw will work to generate 5000 joule energy but input will be only 300 to 500 joule as we all know that motors will consume less energy to move up a balanced seesaw.

I would like to insist on some following point.
(1) The hook will work to hold the counter weight so that the seesaw couldn't be imbalanced after unloading the object.
(2) we can set up a generator under the counter weight to generate energy.
(3)the length of middle track will be less than the length of arm of seesaws.
(4)The motors will work to push the counter weights towards upside .
(5)we can take the object mass from 100 to 1000 kilogram.
(6) It will be single track system in this system no need of taking double track.
(7) It will work REALLY.
Title: Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on May 11, 2017, 05:03:08 PM
I have test it with some wooden tracks and a ball  and  got the result what I was expecting.I also did some work on a BIG seesaw  with some children and found that I 'm right as I  had to apply only 3 newton force to lift up the seesaw  with children's weight(each side 150 kilogram).

Mr. hand cannot make me fool as I have done practice many many times and become expert that where ,when and how much force I should apply.

As per the attached sketch the stand which is attached with counter weight side of each seesaw will work to hold the position of seesaw so that the seesaw couldn't get imbalanced after unloading the ball . when motor will apply the force on counter weight Arm of left seesaw then the ball will get start rolling down and arrived on right side seesaw.But the counter weight arm will move towards down side and hit with a piston generator with attached stand, which will work to generate electricity.
if motors lift the counter weight arm up to 50 centimeter then using potential energy formula
P.E.=mgh
P.E.=1000*10*.50
P.E.=5000 joule
The output is  5000 joule and as per my worked on big seesaw the input will be only  3 newton force.
So I 'm 101% confident that this system will work .I would also like to attract your attention on a mechanical advantage of rolling ball and its distance from fulcrum.When motor will lift up the counter weight arm of seesaw  and ball will get rolling down then the rolling ball will also apply a force as it will move further from fulcrum.
,I don't have a high facility lab and I cannot afford the cost as my earning is very less but whatever worked I have done so far is before all members.

Title: Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on May 11, 2017, 07:59:51 PM
I t will work as I have done worked on it .I have clear all doubts but still you are not understanding .Ok ,tell me why it shouldn't work.you have not worked on seesaw .had you worked on the seesaw then you would not have talked like this..please don't post comments in the air.
Title: Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on May 12, 2017, 11:19:02 AM
Dear Sir,

I think one point is clear that you have not done work on seesaw system ever as you are only raising unimportant points like how can one side go down without connecting the middle track?
 When the side of seesaw will come down then it will be attached with middle track due to adjoining  like railway tracks .it is very simple and I don't see any problem and all others members will be also agree with me.
You can try it with using two measuring scales .
I have already mentioned that the middle track will be stable and its only a path to transfer the ball from left to right and right to left.
Now you say that how the  seesaw will be inclined so I also have mentioned that a lever connected with a motor will work to inclined the left side BALANCED seesaw using minimum force.
You have not found any mistakes so I think that you are raising only unimportant points .I again say that I have test it with some wooden tracks and It will work.There is no doubt regarding the feasibility of this design .
I have also  consult with a very good physics Professor and he is also agree with me that it must work.

if you don't believe me then you can try it and I'm 101% sure that you will found same result as I found.
Title: Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
Post by: memoryman on May 12, 2017, 04:30:01 PM
It is clear that Mr.Gupta lacks a basic understanding of physics and is not willing to actually build a working model, because then he would see that it will not and can not work.
Title: Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
Post by: citfta on May 12, 2017, 05:29:00 PM
Dear Sir,

I think one point is clear that you have not done work on seesaw system ever as you are only raising unimportant points like how can one side go down without connecting the middle track?
 When the side of seesaw will come down then it will be attached with middle track due to adjoining  like railway tracks .it is very simple and I don't see any problem and all others members will be also agree with me.
You can try it with using two measuring scales .
I have already mentioned that the middle track will be stable and its only a path to transfer the ball from left to right and right to left.
Now you say that how the  seesaw will be inclined so I also have mentioned that a lever connected with a motor will work to inclined the left side BALANCED seesaw using minimum force.
You have not found any mistakes so I think that you are raising only unimportant points .I again say that I have test it with some wooden tracks and It will work.There is no doubt regarding the feasibility of this design .
I have also  consult with a very good physics Professor and he is also agree with me that it must work.

if you don't believe me then you can try it and I'm 101% sure that you will found same result as I found.

Other members do see that you are NOT correct in your thinking.  And I have not seen anyone that agrees you are correct.  You don't understand the very basics of physics.  I also do not believe you have actually built a working model.  If you have, then please post a picture of it because the drawings you have posted cannot possibly work.

Respectfully,
Carroll
Title: Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
Post by: wheatbelt on May 12, 2017, 06:20:59 PM
Hi all, i see a possible improvement,

as the ball is raised too begin another cycle, the housing it is raised in should be circluar instead of square as indicated in the drawing, - this way you can impart a rotation of the object which can then be maintained throughout the process untill finding its resonance speed too blend with the system,

regards,

somalia
Title: Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on May 13, 2017, 11:58:53 AM
Dear Sir,
At first i'm very very sorry if you have hurt ,but believe me my intention was not to hurt you.
please come again to conversation and here is solution of your mention problem . The sketch was wrong .
See these two latest  attached sketch and I hope these will be useful to solve the problem.

You mentioned a problem of braking which will be occurred  due to middle track when seesaw arm will come down  and the rolling ball will be stopped by this middle track brake.

I have already thought about it so I mentioned that this is not a important problem.The diameter of rolling ball will be a solution to cross this brake as the surface area will be increased so the ball can easily cross the brake.

Secondly,I test it with a ball having diameter of 50 centimeter,mass 150 gram,  slope length 50 centimeter ,and brake distance 4 to 5 mm.When I released the ball it easily crossed the brake and traveled 1.5 meter distance.I also test it with a small ball having diameter of 20 centimeter and brake height 2 mm and its also crossed the brake very easily and traveled 1.5 meter.So I say this is not an important problem as these problem can be sort out very easily.

But OK! no problem Here is a unique solution .To solve this problem a change in the design of seesaw Arm will be sufficient.
As per sketch a slightly bent arm can easily solve this problem .The middle track  is only a path to transport the ball.due to this slightly bent arm the length will be reduced more of middle track as front  straight part of this arm will work as a middle track.The length of straight part of this arm will be very very less than bented part.
There will be also an advantage of this arm the it will work to increase the velocity of ball during inclining  and arriving due to gravity.

there is also a question that if we increase the diameter or size of ball then friction will be increased but I would like to attract the attention that due to slightly bent arm of seesaw the velocity of ball will be increased  which will work against the friction .another important point is that input force  will also work to increase the velocity of ball .
Thus the ball will be arrived very easily on second seesaw arm.

Sir,I'm again very much sorry .

Vikram Kumar Gupta   
Title: Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on May 14, 2017, 06:03:22 AM
Thank you Sir! No matter. someone another will take interest As I am very much right. this design will work and all problems mentioned by you are being solved.there is no doubt regarding the feasibility of this device.
Title: Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
Post by: memoryman on May 14, 2017, 02:53:54 PM
"there is no doubt regarding the feasibility of this device" you are right: it is not feasible.
Title: Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on May 14, 2017, 03:53:48 PM
So tell me why this device is not feasible?
Explain it with some sketches​ and describe technically.
I would like to tell you that a private company is taking very much interest in this design.

I shall be very grateful to you.
Vikram
Title: Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on May 15, 2017, 05:20:45 PM
Dear memoryman Sir
Why it is not feasible?can you please explain.
Title: Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
Post by: memoryman on May 15, 2017, 10:57:58 PM
Mr. Gupta.
I have no desire to explain to every person with an impossible idea WHY it is impossible; I would have no time to earn a living or even sleep...
 Take the time to learn very basic physics or prove that I and others are wrong by making your device.
Title: Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on May 16, 2017, 04:25:03 AM
Dear memoryman sir,

It is not answer of my question and you cannot prove it wrong on the basis of these points.
Here is an another solution about which Mr.WEBBY1 Sir,was talking that How can I move the middle track?

it is very simple as  the middle track will also work like a SEESAW system and will work as a bridge to fill the gap between Left and Right side seesaw when ball will start to move .
The middle track seesaw either get energy from a motor or directly connected with right side seesaw  when counter weight arm will be lift up then this arm will also work to lift up the second part of middle seesaw and middle track Arm will be come down to work as a bridge.

I have done work with some cardboard designs and it works really.

So I'm again and again insisting that it will work.
Title: Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
Post by: tagor on May 16, 2017, 08:40:31 AM
Dear memoryman Sir
Why it is not feasible?can you please explain.

we need a working device ... like this one !
Title: Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on May 16, 2017, 09:13:27 AM
Dear Sir.
I want to build it but I don't have technical resources and also financial .that's the main problem.
Title: Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
Post by: citfta on May 16, 2017, 01:16:19 PM
Why do you keep posting here?  Everyone that has replied to you has told you your idea WILL NOT WORK.  You don't understand the basics of inertia.  No one here is going to build your device because we all can see  that it WILL NOT WORK.  So there is no reason for you to keep posting your sketches and saying it will work when you can't find anyone that will agree with you.
Title: Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on May 16, 2017, 03:48:01 PM
Dear Sir.
Where is inertia problem in this design as I don't see any inertia problem in this design.I have tested it with cardboard designs and it works.
Please tell me about inertia problem in this design.
Title: Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
Post by: sm0ky2 on May 17, 2017, 12:24:40 AM
the thing about levers,
as Archimedes the Great so adamantly explained

When one side goes UP, the other goes Down.

Where ever the ball may be when it started, it must roll down to go the other way.
to get back to the starting point on the other side one of two things must happen

the ball must go UP
or
the fulcrum must go down.

otherwise, you are left with the disadvantage of moving the fulcrum UP, during the start of each cycle,
which requires lifting both the ball AND the counterweight.

in way you slice this, you lose energy, not gain.
Title: Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on May 17, 2017, 08:14:02 AM
Dear Sir,
I think a working model is last way  so I have started work on it and will soon prepare a working model to prove its feasibility.
Thank you Sir!