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Title: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: ramset on April 25, 2017, 10:30:05 AM
Icarus
No its not childish
its criminal

this member Zephir decided that he was going to take over Stefan's forum
so he posted lies about replicators here [most/ALL  serious persons building here

he said they are liars and frauds who actively work to hide OU at OU.com
he then says OU is easy.

I have no idea why Stefan has allowed this here ,it is the worst violation of his TOS I HAVE EVER SEEN HERE

it is truly Vulgar to the men  that have worked together for so long and spent soo much time and effort open sourcing their work

and the final Kick in the groin from Zephir after saying OU is easy these liars and criminals  hide it here??

NOTHING next from him to qualify  OU is easy

crickets chirping from him  ,instead he points to ..... assumptions ??

most here figured he would have something to Show ???????????????

all lies from Zephir about the members here and just theories with many many words that lead to ??

certainly not his claim
OU is easy ????

no it is not easy

the better question

why is this man here  ??

if you were unaware of his behavior here towards members [all longtime experimenters here?] now you know.

but he will delete this again
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naah, Zephir came to burn the house down

he's doing a good job ,

but what he builds after??

OU is easy ??

mud and twigs on nothing of substance

No proof that OU is easy and no proof that the builders  are all liars  who hide it for years and years at OU.com.

show us great Zephir

this easy OU

anything ??
but never assume we will not measure it...we have become very good here at measuring

you apparently [Zephir] haven't a clue how to properly measure ,and see OU in every you tube video and every fair wind that blows thru your ears....
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I suppose the Zephir did not count on all serious members here working together and sharing

it is after all an Open source forum ??

and they [longtime dedicated members here] are after all,,,, the best of the best !!

not like Zephir at all









Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: Dog-One on April 25, 2017, 09:56:44 PM
I just hung up with Stefan about the problem here

should be sorted in a day or so.

Cool, guessing he will just delete everything right?
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: AlienGrey on April 25, 2017, 10:21:34 PM
Well isn't that what the poison moderator has been doing ? So if above is true when will it be safe to post stuff on the thread without fear of ridicule and efforts and hard work being deleted ?
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: Zephir on April 25, 2017, 10:45:02 PM
I don't want to delete anything from your precious insights and to waste it for future generations in this way. But some posts are apparently off-topic here and they deserve for example this thread. (http://overunity.com/17247/re-inventors-and-replicators-social-aspects-of-overunity-community/msg505438/#new) Of course this relocation should preserve the continuity of discussion, it should be done sensibly and it can also wait for later. Once you will stay on topic, then you have absolutely nothing to afraid.
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: Dog-One on April 25, 2017, 11:00:07 PM
Hmmm...   Think about this:

Suppose I had a self-runner that I replicated several times already.  It was cheap
to make, had lots of output power and would work flawlessly any place on the
planet.  Everyone knew I had it and wanted details that I was willing to share.
But being a bit of an asshat, I posted something that got me permanently banned
from this forum.

Would anyone clear my name?  Would anyone stick up for me?

Or would things go dark and be kept in private?
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: Zephir on April 25, 2017, 11:10:56 PM
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Would anyone clear my name?  Would anyone stick up for me? Or would things go dark and be kept in private?

In general only posts violating netiquette should be deleted, but not their authors as a whole. There are many less or more unobtrusive ways (other than plain moderation), how to keep the public from the progress in overunity and actual truth. The surprisingly high number of posters on this forum, who are willingly utilize every opportunity how to dilute the discussion about subject may be also one of the ways, how to do disrupt the overunity progress and its public awareness. Such an effort may not be centrally organized at all for still being effective - on the contrary. Too many scientists and their wannabes hate the overunity subject heartily and they're willing to spend time for its disruption.

I just tried to relocate one of off-topic posts here into an existing thread "Re: Inventors and replicators - social aspects of overunity community". The relocation interface is straightforward: it enables you to determine the name of target thread and the individual posts from the original thread, which should be relocated. And it also works - the problem is, even when I use the existing thread name exactly the same, new thread will be still formed. So that there is no smooth way, how to move off-topic posts into some dedicated forum or even how to return them back again: the existing engine simply doesn't support it - or I missed some detail.

I'll ask Stefan, what could be done with it.
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: Dog-One on April 25, 2017, 11:24:36 PM
So what you're saying Zephir is that I'm not capable of using my own discernment to separate the wheat from the chaff?

Quote from: Zephir
Now I'm myself cluttering the Nelson Rocha forum in (probably futile) attempts to explain my attitude regarding the moderation of this forum. We both are interested about Nelson Rocha's device - yet our discussion already got off topic and it needs to be cleaned on behalf of another users, who are still posting insightful and relevant posts under hope, this thread will be finally just about its subject.

So that all posts which aren't related to thread topic should be (and they will be) relocated into a new thread.


Just keep putting words in my mouth and I'll bug out of this place.  I have enough friends I don't need this!

Who was the knucklehead that started this whole moderation thing anyway?
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: Zephir on April 26, 2017, 01:19:28 AM
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Just keep putting words in my mouth and I'll bug out of this place.

Easy man, I did it by accident and please accept my apology for it. There are way too many edit boxes all around my screen... ;-)

Personally I don't see any usage for editing the foreign posts (such a post could be always moved into the bin or relocated as a whole) - but I still have this option available (and my posts were also modified by another moderators here in the past).

But as you can see, now you're also willing to ruin whole overunity forum and work of many other people here just because of your momentary private feelings and negative attitude. So you also may not be always able to separate "the wheat from the chaff".
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: Vortex1 on April 26, 2017, 01:21:46 AM
Looks like Rant Rooms popping up on every corner........I heard this one is gonna serve free doughnut with Java?......can't get that kinda service at every Rant Room.  :P
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: Zephir on April 26, 2017, 01:34:52 AM
The true is, the free energy people aren't very disciplined by their very nature - just because they tend to think out of box. From the same reason, they don't like any authority. But just this creativity and lack of discipline can become a brake of further progress and relevant discussion on this forum. It's not secret for me, that actual progress in overunity was never made in this forum - in essence all really interesting stuffs were always borrowed here from somewhere else. But now its veteran members became tired and they stopped to collect a new info about overunity from outside. By now this forum stagnates because of its verbosity, which deters people from outside, who would otherwise had to say something more relevant and interesting.

As I explained above, the software engine of this forum also doesn't allow to move/relocate off-topic posts into some dedicated thread - instead of it new thread will be established during every relocation. So that new RANT ROOMS may be currently underway if the people in this particular board will not learn to cooperate. It's just my experiment with Stephan arranged here and I cannot guarantee, it will be successful if all people here will decide to boycott it. If you all will decide to keep the clueless mess here, you'll simply have it - and no one could prohibit you in having it.
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: Zephir on April 26, 2017, 01:53:11 AM
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You are wrong, You have an opinion not a truth

The same may apply to your opinion. It's true that some of discussions here are mirrored at another overunity forums.

But the truth also is, these forums aren't more successful regarding the development of the overunity anyway. If I want to be informed about new ideas and working prototypes or private research, I simply have to visit Russian forums, sites like this one (http://lenr.su/) and/or YouTube. This is sad reality of the overunity progress at the Western world. 

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but leave us alone

Who is "you"? This forum is opened for all people from the world. If you want to have closed sectarian forum, then you can use the overunityresearch.com for example, which is currently opened for invitations only. I can say easily as well, that the groups of users here privatized this forum for to promote and maintain their way of discussion, which prohibits the further development.
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: ramset on April 26, 2017, 02:48:16 AM
I DID NOT START THIS TOPIC OF MOVED POSTS AND HEAVILY EDITED POSTS----------------------

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but I will comment here ,

Zephir
Children learn young to light fires elsewhere instead of looking in the mirror.

Overunityresearch is a steadfast Open source forum, always has been always will be.
if you want an example of why there are such places?

Look in the mirror..

  here there are very serious and dedicated men who Love Stefan's house and respect his rules ]Not the Zephir]
here they would never do anything to hurt Stefan or his pocketbook ,by posting libelous claims
and lies against members here [NOT The Zephir]

here they Obey terms of service agreement
Not the Zephir

you say some things which ring true
and many many more that read like kindergarten OU

example : OU is easy they [the membership] hides it here

and then there are the Lies about members here spending their days making fraudulent replications so as to Hide "OU is easy "

Pal
you are off the deep end...

as The Dog says there are plenty of other places to go [for us]

I think you need to go find such a place so the rest of us can stay here...



Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: Dog-One on April 26, 2017, 03:06:36 AM
Quote from: Zephir
Easy man, I did it by accident and please accept my apology for it.

No need to apologize, we know where you are coming from.

Quote from: Zephir
(and my posts were also modified by another moderators here in the past).

Gives you that warm fuzzy feeling doesn't it?

Quote from: Zephir
But as you can see, now you're also willing to ruin whole overunity forum and work of many other people here just because of your momentary private feelings and negative attitude.

Like it or not Zephir, over-unity is coming to a neighborhood near you and possibly
rather soon.  A wrecked overunity forum isn't going to be the end of the world.

Quote from: Zephir
So you also may not be always able to separate "the wheat from the chaff".

I know how to separate myself from the rest if need be.

Quote from: Zephir
The true is, the free energy people aren't very disciplined by their very nature - just because they tend to think out of box. From the same reason, they don't like any authority. But just this creativity and lack of discipline can become a brake of further progress and relevant discussion on this forum.

OMG!  For real Zephir?  Are you serious?

When self runners brake loose in the world, authority can kiss its ass goodbye.  Nobody
with an ounce of sense is going to listen to authority any more.  Authority is what has
screwed the world into what it is today.  Another 30 years of this and we'll be lucky to
ride a camel to the filthy water hole.

Quote from: Vortex1
Looks like Rant Rooms popping up on every corner........I heard this one is gonna serve free doughnut with Java?......can't get that kinda service at every Rant Room.  :P

Service?  Oh yeah.  I'm just get'n started.    :-*

Quote from: webby1
Who even asked this "moderator" to be one?

Close.  Better question:  Who was the dumb ass that approved it?

They on the same team?

Quote from: Zephir
This is sad reality of the overunity progress at the Western world. 

Oxymoron -- the two concepts cannot be assimilated in the same context.


Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: Dog-One on April 26, 2017, 03:07:07 AM
And here again.  Edit the shit out of it Zephir.

Quick!  Hurry before someone notices.
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: ramset on April 26, 2017, 03:36:22 AM
Terms of service agreement [first paragraph]

Zephir broke this in the first sentence [and just got worse]

You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, adult material, or otherwise in violation of any International or United States Federal law. You also agree not to post any copyrighted material unless you own the copyright or you have written consent from the owner of the copyrighted material. Spam, flooding, advertisements, chain letters, pyramid schemes, and solicitations are also forbidden on this forum.
=============================================================

Way overqualified to be Stifled




Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: Vortex1 on April 26, 2017, 03:37:27 AM
The problem with forums is that by their very nature and setup they are not designed to create a structured and managed approach to research and development.

One of my roles during my working life was as a director of research and development.

In that role it was necessary to identify new ideas that might be deemed worthy of research, narrow the list to what the budget could support and allocate the manpower according to the skills that were required to investigate the task, provide equipment and ancillary needs etc. and see the projects through to sometimes successful conclusions. There was much more in terms of managing the process, but those brief few sentences was most of it.

On forums it is a different story, forums are mainly friendship tinkering clubs with various factions that occasionally posture or argue with various other factions taking this or that side.

Everyone likes to have a place (like Cheers) where they can go and toss ideas around and see if it gets approval or not.

It is important to see it for what it is. Will there ever be a structured and progressive approach to research and development on forums? It could happen but I doubt it. It's just not in the nature of the beast.

Once in a while maybe luck will shine and a few good minds will collaborate and come up with some novel idea and develop it to the product level , but how often has anyone seen that in the history of forums for FE?

One definition of a forum is: "a public meeting place for open discussion"

Nowhere could I find in the definition of forums anything that included the research and development part of the process.

Forums can be a good collaborative tool with the right mix of minds. But that's just the starting point, maybe the 1% inspiration part, then needed is the 99% perspiration part.

It's important not to lose our sense of humor or take things too seriously. If we put our hand in a bucket of water and pull it out, did we leave an impression? forums are like the bucket of water, grasshopper.
 
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: Dog-One on April 26, 2017, 04:32:44 AM
One definition of a forum is: "a public meeting place for open discussion"

Public being the key word here.  If this were a private forum (all members must be
registered and logged in to see its content), things could be quite different and many
of the rules Stefan has to follow would vanish.

I'm a software guy and as such know that you make software to be a tool appropriate
for its use.  SMF 2.0.13 is actually a pretty poor tool for what it is we are doing here.
It is very unstructured, but it has a small benefit in this regard.  It's a place where
ideas can just pop in practically anonymous.  The majority of these ideas could be
easily dismissed, but somewhere in the minority is an idea that needs attention by
as many people that have the time and resources to pursue it.

What I'd like to see someone do someday is to develop a piece of software specifically
for the focus we have here.  Somewhat like a wiki with a front-end think tank.  Breakout
sessions could be automatically created and linked back to initial think tank comments.
This software should be able to fully support all media forms:  text, images, videos, CAD
and other simulation types.  The media would be stored on the supporting server
eliminating the need for youtube, falstad and such.  When a breakout session becomes
stale, it is locked and queries sent out to the contributors for any new information.
This software could have a project status dashboard for members to check on progress
or new projects.  The think tank section could have an interactive whiteboard with
circuit & mechanical drawing capabilities that is recorded and can be later edited and/or
referenced within the breakout sessions.  Project breakouts could be setup by invitation
so that functional teams that work well together, can do their thing in peace.  Maybe
include a sidebar for non-team members to make objective comments.

Make no mistake, if I had the time and patience to write and host such a software
package, I would have done it already, because it is sorely needed.


If we put our hand in a bucket of water and pull it out, did we leave an impression? forums are like the bucket of water, grasshopper.

Well said.
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: Zephir on April 26, 2017, 07:30:37 AM
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If we put our hand in a bucket of water and pull it out, did we leave an impression? forums are like the bucket of water, grasshopper

Well, in similar way like the bucket of water, it could splash out the standing layer of old dirt floating at its surface (and occasionally bring a new fresh dirt into it).. Just take it in this way: there are many privately moderated boards already, I'm just one of many moderators here, no exception.  If you don't want to visit this particular board, then there are many others, with threads cluttered with OT discussion already. Why not to have at least one regularly cleaned and sorted out board just for comparison?

IMO it wouldn't violate freedom of any readers here.

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MF 2.0.13 is actually a pretty poor tool for what it is we are doing here. It is very unstructured, but it has a small benefit in this regard.


Vortex1, Dog-One: I can only agree with everything what you said about this forum. New ideas are perfect, but once they emerge, they should get their dedicated place so that they wouldn't clutter the discussion about already existing ideas. Or the same principle which motivates the forum thinkers here would also lead into their gradual unmotivation *). A branched, multithreaded character of this forum would be therefore desirable. Something like the reddit already has - but with possibility for every long sub-thread to bubble up and to gain top position. Or to gradually lose it at the case of lost of attention. I mean an evolutionary tree of ideas spontaneously and dynamically formed with minimal intervention of administrators.

*) This is fundamental principle of emergence in dense aether model: every change or effect which promotes some phenomena also leads into its scattering and decay in a sufficiently wider (and also smaller) perspective. Every rule or truth has its upsides and also downsides and the scope of its validity remains limited in scope of time and space, no matter how large. A geometric basis of Goedel's incompleteness theorem, so to say. After all, my motivation in overunity research is just based on the belief in opposite side of causality.
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: nelsonrochaa on April 26, 2017, 12:48:29 PM


"On forums it is a different story, forums are mainly friendship tinkering clubs with various factions that occasionally posture or argue with various other factions taking this or that side."


Yes i Agree that happens and persons like you seems have a special way to confront people, If not let us see ...

"NR made the comment "why it be bothering you"?

Actually I think a) it muddies the waters of energy research b) it accrues bad karma to the person who engages in that activity. Think of all the young wide eyed impressionable folk that try to build devices that don't deliver as advertised. All their frustration goes onto their wife, kids, dog, turtle ,goldfish etc,  then out into the universe only to return and land on the doorstep of the perpetrator. One way or another. "what goes around comes around".  :P never liked that saying.

I think we have a responsibility as scientific minded experimenters to be truthful in our affairs and not waste other peoples time or soon we accrue the (negative)karma."


Is not more easy to you say directly why you write such observations in other forum where persons can  answer to you ? 
That seems nice to you ?   I can "smell" a very bad karma in you , should i feel responsible by that ?

Or you prefer make jokes like :
"Look at that waveform! berserk mode is obviously the key to OU. Think my new motto will be:
 I'm going "berserk"  :D "


"You lead with a very good question. After reviewing a few of NR's videos and getting totally bored I'm thinking of bowing out before I bow in too far, but will probably get kicked out for that comment.

I'm sure you've seen it all and are quite tired of the "radiant" claims as am I."


And even that you continue here and in other forums talk about me and my work?
 Are you wasting your precious time make redraws of diagrams to what ? Are you contribute to "cheat" the persons  with my lies ? :) Regrettable such behavior.

Do not be a lamb in wolfskin , you have already age to To behave like a grown person and confront persons in right way .

What a good example of integrity and moral you have  to judge the others  .


Nelson Rocha






 








Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: hartiberlin on April 26, 2017, 01:40:05 PM
I got quite a few complains about user Zephir
and I removed his moderator status now and put him on moderation and will only let pass
his messages, if there are no flaming statements included...

Sorry to all, I am pretty busy with another project, so I don´t have much time to
read the forum in this moment.

Regards, Stefan. (admin)
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: ramset on April 26, 2017, 06:03:30 PM
Well
there is no one here who is happy with this kind of decision [having to moderate
there are actually very few who even like moderation at all.

It has been many years here that certain fellows make an extra big commitment towards this path of research
we have people globally who will travel to test devices or assist in testing Claims

we have replicators here who will give the ideas or claims which can be replicated their best effort
  recently these men and their integrity was Directly assaulted by a member here ,tearing into the moral
as well as effecting public opinion .

this brings everything we touch here into question ?

   Here there should never be just one members word taken as gospel on a claim[dismissing], there are always multiple eyes and benches working on claims.

Checks and balances .

It is also true that here we have a unique scenario with undefined claims in a recent presented circuit .

this can be problematic.
here I must make a confession ,

For many years I have utilized the mentorship of many of these serious men, I have truly learned to adore some and just be grateful to others !
in the process of doing this I have learned we all have limitations ,here the sciences mix and combine in paths which can be quite unique.

we all need each other [even the perspective of the Zephir]

My confession here is I asked TinselKoala to investigate This circuit, supply pathetically small funds for the work he has done
so far
and day one he posts his initial runup ,barely even test drove it yet ,just showing he built it [he has huge list to investigate ]

and a man who hasn't built the circuit steps out and attacks his efforts as disingenuous and reinforces his deluded claim.. yet again about all the Builders here.[purposely hiding OU

the rest of the story you have seen in the last few weeks...
yeesh
---------------------------------------------

here we actually have a very good group of men who can replicate and look at claims globally
here we also have access to the scientific establishment for assistance [if need be]

these relationships have been a long time in the making ,seeing the sledgehammer of ignorance attack these
men ...
truly  criminal.

If we can keep terms of service agreement here as the law of the forum?
we can invite many claims and site visits to the menu here.

our attachment to the scientific community enables this [opens many doors]

respect must rule the day here, all claims need facts ,and there should NEVER be lies printed here [especially members].


There is a group hug scheduled for 6 oclock

attendance not mandatory

respectfully
Chet K



Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: Grumage on April 26, 2017, 08:34:37 PM
I got quite a few complains about user Zephir
and I removed his moderator status now and put him on moderation and will only let pass
his messages, if there are no flaming statements included...

Sorry to all, I am pretty busy with another project, so I don´t have much time to
read the forum in this moment.

Regards, Stefan. (admin)

Dear Stefan.

No need to apologise, better late than never !!

Now the fires are extinguished we can get back to work.

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: scratchrobot on April 26, 2017, 09:12:00 PM
Terms of service agreement [first paragraph]

Zephir broke this in the first sentence [and just got worse]

You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, adult material, or otherwise in violation of any International or United States Federal law. You also agree not to post any copyrighted material unless you own the copyright or you have written consent from the owner of the copyrighted material. Spam, flooding, advertisements, chain letters, pyramid schemes, and solicitations are also forbidden on this forum.
=============================================================

Way overqualified to be Stifled

So in essence topics like:

Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal (http://overunity.com/13885/re-energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg505539/#new)
Ufo propu engine, closed loop (http://overunity.com/15077/ufo-propu-engine-closed-loop/msg505509/#new)
Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY (http://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg505497/#new)
etc..etc....

Violate the terms and should be removed immediately!

Also all that Russian OU Bull and every other post claiming OU.
REMOVE IT because it is very misleading to newcomers who are new to electronics and thinking out of the box.
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: ramset on April 26, 2017, 09:26:55 PM
Basically
This particular incident has absolutely nothing to do with what you just posted here.

false accusations were made against longtime experimenters and replicators here.

and those false accusations [as well as very disruptive behavior]
led to this result.
it you have any questions on terms of service here

read it again.

respectfully
Chet K
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: Vortex1 on April 26, 2017, 09:35:59 PM
So in essence topics like:

Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal (http://overunity.com/13885/re-energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg505539/#new)
Ufo propu engine, closed loop (http://overunity.com/15077/ufo-propu-engine-closed-loop/msg505509/#new)
Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY (http://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg505497/#new)
etc..etc....

Violate the terms and should be removed immediately!

Also all that Russian OU Bull and every other post claiming OU.
REMOVE IT because it is very misleading to newcomers who are new to electronics and thinking out of the box.

Maybe the thread need not be removed but can be presented with a more honest title like:

"Attempts at replicating a "claimed" overunity device"

or "Attempts at replicating a "supposedly" overunity device"

"Kapadnaze Cousin Dally unverified free energy"

In this case the initiator of the thread is inviting others  to replicate and test the veracity of the claimant, and the title reader is implicitly  forewarned that it may or may not be a real working as advertised device, and the purpose of the thread is to check out the claims of the claimant by replication or other means.
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: scratchrobot on April 27, 2017, 12:03:00 AM
Basically
This particular incident has absolutely nothing to do with what you just posted here.

false accusations were made against longtime experimenters and replicators here.

and those false accusations [as well as very disruptive behavior]
led to this result.
it you have any questions on terms of service here

read it again.

respectfully
Chet K


I read it again and if you register to this site: 'you agree, trough your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false'.


This is no incident, this whole forum is full of false OU claims!

Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: ramset on April 27, 2017, 12:28:33 AM
Scratchrobot quote



I read it again and if you register to this site: 'you agree, trough your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false'.


This is no incident, this whole forum is full of false OU claims
!





@ Scratchrobot

Your point is well taken, the example which lead to the result mentioned here by administration was more personal conduct violation and breaking laws .

 Libel against members here {lies, fraud claims etc etc] as well as very poor behaviors within the forum]other violations of etiquette ]

Scratchrobot
your position here has merit and you argument cannot be dismissed ,but we do dismiss such everyday ,and we all look at it as
"ongoing investigation of claims"

its what we do here.
I know other forums do not allow unsupported claims ,and will change tittles of threads to avoid other types of liability issues.

here I cannot comment any further .

I personally have nothing but gratitude and respect for Stefan's accommodations here.

respectfully
Chet K

Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: citfta on May 03, 2017, 09:01:20 PM
I just found this thread so am kind of slow to respond.

First I want to thank Stefan very much for dealing with Zephir.  He truly was a serious disruption to this forum.

@Scratchrobot, I understand what you are saying about the misleading titles on many of the threads here.  It also irritates me that anyone would make claims that are not true.  However I think in a lot of cases the person starting those threads actually thought they had some kind of free energy or OU.  They were just too inexperienced to know how to really test and verify what they had.  And that is one of the purposes of this forum: to test and verify claims of OU.

Another thing to consider is the idea of truth in advertising.  What I am talking about here is that not everyone sees things the same.  Here in the U.S.  a pizza company had as their slogan "Better ingredients, better pizza, Papa John's.  They were sued by another company for claiming they had better ingredients. The judge ruled they could continue to use that slogan because he said that whether the ingredients were better was up to the consumer to decide.  The judge ruled that claims can be made in advertising as long as they are not blatantly wrong.  So if someone claims to have OU it is up to us to use our own knowledge and experience to prove or disprove their claim.

You have been here long enough to know if the claims turn out to be false the poster usually gets roasted and leave on their own.  Or in some cases like Zephir get the boot from the admin.

There are a couple of posters on this forum I would have gotten rid of long ago because their ideas are clearly wrong, but in the interest of letting everyone have their say I suppose they don't really do any harm because I think most of us just ignore anything they post.

Respectfully,
Carroll
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: SeaMonkey on November 27, 2017, 11:08:19 PM
All of the forums are quite interesting to read and evaluate
as they present much "food for thought."

Sadly, there are on occasion postings which reveal more
about the "builder" than they reveal about the target
of the attack.

These are the sorts of postings (http://www.energeticforum.com/306594-post236.html) which are indicative of an
underlying state of imbalance (http://www.energeticforum.com/306601-post238.html).

What is one to think?
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: AlienGrey on November 28, 2017, 12:16:50 AM
All of the forums are quite interesting to read and evaluate
as they present much "food for thought."

Sadly, there are on occasion postings which reveal more
about the "builder" than they reveal about the target
of the attack.

These are the sorts of postings (http://www.energeticforum.com/306594-post236.html) which are indicative of an
underlying state of imbalance (http://www.energeticforum.com/306601-post238.html).

What is one to think?
That the guy is at his wits end possibly pissed off perhaps.  ;D 8)
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: AlienGrey on November 28, 2017, 12:29:58 AM
I just found this thread so am kind of slow to respond.

First I want to thank Stefan very much for dealing with Zephir.  He truly was a serious disruption to this forum.

@Scratchrobot, I understand what you are saying about the misleading titles on many of the threads here.  It also irritates me that anyone would make claims that are not true.  However I think in a lot of cases the person starting those threads actually thought they had some kind of free energy or OU.  They were just too inexperienced to know how to really test and verify what they had.  And that is one of the purposes of this forum: to test and verify claims of OU.

Another thing to consider is the idea of truth in advertising.  What I am talking about here is that not everyone sees things the same.  Here in the U.S.  a pizza company had as their slogan "Better ingredients, better pizza, Papa John's.  They were sued by another company for claiming they had better ingredients. The judge ruled they could continue to use that slogan because he said that whether the ingredients were better was up to the consumer to decide.  The judge ruled that claims can be made in advertising as long as they are not blatantly wrong.  So if someone claims to have OU it is up to us to use our own knowledge and experience to prove or disprove their claim.

You have been here long enough to know if the claims turn out to be false the poster usually gets roasted and leave on their own.  Or in some cases like Zephir get the boot from the admin.

There are a couple of posters on this forum I would have gotten rid of long ago because their ideas are clearly wrong, but in the interest of letting everyone have their say I suppose they don't really do any harm because I think most of us just ignore anything they post.

Respectfully,
Carroll
Mr Carrol I  cant say I agree fully but know the feeling only too well  ;D 8) AG
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: ramset on November 28, 2017, 01:13:30 AM
SeaMonkey
well
I'm inclined to agree with AG on this [the reason], not saying its a good path...that is.. going forward with a replication without his "overview" ,  we know how troublesome that can be and it is never conclusive without the inventors help....unless its successful .

and just for clarity the effect which Matt was showing as important
was not acknowledged in the reply to him.... discussions suggested this effect was "explained"
as the result of equipment irregularities ... HOWEVER it could well be a very ,very important point or moment in the running device where energy can be harvested OR ??.

also to note the device as presented is the most Basic and rudimentary version ,but years of hard work went into this .
it has evolved greatly since then.

So what now ??
we shall see? [Luc will make some tests of his own now with the suggestions made to date.
he was holding off out of respect to the builder .
he does have all the bits and pieces ,it was a concern that Matt had mentioned trouble with Parts sometimes ... that is to say certain parts not performing as they should ??
and having to swap them out until it worked like it should ?
this was one reason I was very grateful that Matt was going to take the time to test run the unit
prior to sending it to the Lab.


To Note

I absolutely believe these fellows [Matt, Dave and Carroll] and the things they say they have seen.
and I do like Matt, he is one very ,very hard working man trying to run a business and help others too.

a very intense fellow with little time on his hands.

respectfully
Chet
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: tinman on November 28, 2017, 07:03:32 AM
SeaMonkey
well
I'm inclined to agree with AG on this [the reason], not saying its a good path...that is.. going forward with a replication without his "overview" ,  we know how troublesome that can be and it is never conclusive without the inventors help....unless its successful .

and just for clarity the effect which Matt was showing as important
was not acknowledged in the reply to him.... discussions suggested this effect was "explained"
as the result of equipment irregularities ... HOWEVER it could well be a very ,very important point or moment in the running device where energy can be harvested OR ??.

also to note the device as presented is the most Basic and rudimentary version ,but years of hard work went into this .
it has evolved greatly since then.

So what now ??
we shall see? [Luc will make some tests of his own now with the suggestions made to date.
he was holding off out of respect to the builder .
he does have all the bits and pieces ,it was a concern that Matt had mentioned trouble with Parts sometimes ... that is to say certain parts not performing as they should ??
and having to swap them out until it worked like it should ?
this was one reason I was very grateful that Matt was going to take the time to test run the unit
prior to sending it to the Lab.


To Note

I absolutely believe these fellows [Matt, Dave and Carroll] and the things they say they have seen.
and I do like Matt, he is one very ,very hard working man trying to run a business and help others too.

a very intense fellow with little time on his hands.

respectfully
Chet

It always seems to be the case-as time go's  by,and exact replications fail to yeild the results claimed by the inventer,more parts are needed--or you you have done something wrong.

I remember when i did the replication,all that was needed was 3 batteries and a 12v DC motor.

After spending $240.00 on 3 new batteries,and carrying out the experiment as told,negative results were had.

Then i had to swap out the motor for an inverter.
After another $130.00,and now being the proud owner of a new invertet,we ran the next set of tests.
Once again,negative results.

Now-now we need to have specially  wound motors,which have turned out to be great heaters :D
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: AlienGrey on November 28, 2017, 07:50:02 AM
It always seems to be the case-as time go's  by,and exact replications fail to yeild the results claimed by the inventer,more parts are needed--or you you have done something wrong.

I remember when i did the replication,all that was needed was 3 batteries and a 12v DC motor.

After spending $240.00 on 3 new batteries,and carrying out the experiment as told,negative results were had.

Then i had to swap out the motor for an inverter.
After another $130.00,and now being the proud owner of a new invertet,we ran the next set of tests.
Once again,negative results.

Now-now we need to have specially  wound motors,which have turned out to be great heaters :D
Tin man this reminds me of a device I made a transformer in fact a ferrite torrid in fact to be used in a
TK Dally replication extremely modified wingdings and torrid alloy with more out than in at a certain frequency (1.67 Mhz)
lighting an incandescent 40w at half power from just a SGen and collection grenade coil you could say it was brilliant with retraces to gains dividing back down to 8hz multipal up as far as  the mhz rang, it was so good i lashed out and bought 2 more lots of components and drivers for more output with a collection transformer.
But do you think I could get the other copies to work  ;D ;D ;D ;D could I heck.

Still I have learnt a good bit since then from others. I must admit none of us know it all, but we can learn from each other. however I remember one particular video an inverter was showing video after video I happen to notice a pile of capacitors and diodes tucked away where under normal glancing would neglect next time i saw the video that section had been removed.

Allen
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: tinman on November 28, 2017, 07:56:03 AM
Tin man this reminds me of a device I made a transformer in fact a ferrite torrid in fact to be used in a
TK Dally replication extremely modified wingdings and torrid alloy with more in than out at a certain frequency
lighting an incandescent 40w at half power from just a SGen and collection grenade coil you could say it was brilliant with referaces to gains dividing back down to 8hz multipal up as far as  the mhz rang, it was so good i lashed out and bought 2 more lots of components and drivers for more output with a collection transformer.
But do you think I could get the other copies to work  ;D ;D ;D ;D could I heck.

Still I have learnt a good bit since then from others. I must admit none of us know it all, but we can learn from each other.

Allen

More in than out at a certain frequency?
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: AlienGrey on November 28, 2017, 08:19:15 AM
More in than out at a certain frequency?
yeah still half asleep  ;D thanks for that corrected it, it was something to do with the shamann resonance. 8hz repatriation.

Allen
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: SeaMonkey on November 28, 2017, 08:50:17 PM
Chet,
I suppose it is the unfortunate "reality" that some of the
"builders" are hooked on drama and emotional retort.
Such behaviors do detract from the seriousness of the
endeavor and do seem quite childish for grown men to
indulge in.

It too is amusing that the vast majority of the so-called
"free-energy" circuits and devices under "replication" and
discussion these days are in reality duplications of circuits
and devices dating back to the earliest days of electrical
experimentation and discovery.  There truly is nothing new
under the sun.

I have seen how the accurate analyses provided by those
who are vastly more experienced and educated, such as
the infamous Miles Higher, tends to provoke angry denials
and emotional attacks upon his integrity.  That sort of drama
too is characteristic of even the earliest days of research
and discovery.  Thankfully, in the end, the Truth about all
matters comes into the light of day.

Until it is forgotten and the process starts anew....

If the concept behind a "discovery" suspected of producing
anomaloous "free-energy" is a sound concept, then "exact"
duplication of every detail in the "discovery circuitry" is not
a necessity at all.  The concept will be made manifest in
all trials large or small providing the concept is well understood
and isolated as the actual source of the apparent "free energy."

In the vast majority of cases under discussion these days and
those about which numerous you-tube videos have been created
by "builders," the concept is not accurately isolated nor is it well
understood by those touting its wonders.  Another sad reality
regarding modern day experimentation is that most of the
"builders" are not well educated in the phenomena which they
are observing and therefore are easily misled to wrong conclusions
about what they believe they are "seeing."

There is very abundant Free Energy capable of being collected
and made use of everywhere upon Planet Earth.  The Sun
showers us with enormous quantities of both Radiant and
Electrical energy each day.  Unfortunately, the Corporate Love
of Money coupled with Governmental Politics has impeded much
progress in developing efficient methods of exploiting those
vast quantities of Free Energy.

Most "builders" are looking in the wrong direction.

I should add that I appreciate what Bro Mikey discusses
and shows us.  Although occasionally emotional, he never
fails to make amends and corrections.  His videos are
quite interesting.  His understanding of things electrical
and electronic has actually come a long ways.
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: AlienGrey on November 28, 2017, 09:02:51 PM
Chet,
I suppose it is the unfortunate "reality" that some of the
"builders" are hooked on drama and emotional retort.
Such behaviors do detract from the seriousness of the
endeavor and do seem quite childish for grown men to
indulge in.

It too is amusing that the vast majority of the so-called
"free-energy" circuits and devices under "replication" and
discussion these days are in reality duplications of circuits
and devices dating back to the earliest days of electrical
experimentation and discovery.  There truly is nothing new
under the sun.

I have seen how the accurate analyses provided by those
who are vastly more experienced and educated, such as
the infamous Miles Higher, tends to provoke angry denials
and emotional attacks upon his integrity.  That sort of drama
too is characteristic of even the earliest days of research
and discovery.  Thankfully, in the end, the Truth about all
matters comes into the light of day.

Until it is forgotten and the process starts anew....

If the concept behind a "discovery" suspected of producing
anomaloous "free-energy" is a sound concept, then "exact"
duplication of every detail in the "discovery circuitry" is not
a necessity at all.  The concept will be made manifest in
all trials large or small providing the concept is well understood
and isolated as the actual source of the apparent "free energy."

In the vast majority of cases under discussion these days and
those about which numerous you-tube videos have been created
by "builders," the concept is not accurately isolated nor is it well
understood by those touting its wonders.  Another sad reality
regarding modern day experimentation is that most of the
"builders" are not well educated in the phenomena which they
are observing and therefore are easily misled to wrong conclusions
about what they believe they are "seeing."

There is very abundant Free Energy capable of being collected
and made use of everywhere upon Planet Earth.  The Sun
showers us with enormous quantities of both Radiant and
Electrical energy each day.  Unfortunately, the Corporate Love
of Money coupled with Governmental Politics has impeded much
progress in developing efficient methods of exploiting those
vast quantities of Free Energy.

Most "builders" are looking in the wrong direction.
Yes I agree but know nothing about the named but get the point with others
All that works is the 'RADIANT' energy, so how many ways can you get it make it or emulate it ?
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: ramset on November 28, 2017, 10:49:14 PM
SeaMonkey

Today the world has come to a place where the average Child has more information at his fingertips at any given moment than we can even comprehend , the knowledge seems limitless, all these Children effectively are super computers in the making , our view of the reality around us is changing just as fast [with new discoveries by the minute ].

I would not want to be the POWERS THAT BE trying to control all of that !

never happen... too much knowledge in too many hands. [I read somewhere "billions" of I phones
and climbing daily]
couple that group with advancements in Science??
 5 or 6 years ago you could buy electron beam microscopes at bargain basement prices..
even find them in the junk pile...
as that world got smaller the need to see it  grew exponentially.

and old scopes became obsolete over night [for cutting edge research]

the guy who can see the wheelworks of Nature at the "builders" level and learn how to manipulate and play there??

Yeesh ,I doubt even the Sky is the limit

There is plenty new under the sun ,and its been under our noses all along ,its just that now

it seems we will be like ....Gods ??.

and I am quite certain many science books will be amended in some very big ways !!

what an amazing time to be alive !

Re the topic of respect between men ...we definitely need a lot more of that ,and a lot less of the other.
 
and I do speak for myself ,its not an easy thing to manage sometimes ,but practice makes ??

respectfully
Chet K
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: SeaMonkey on November 28, 2017, 11:22:19 PM
Quote from: Alien Grey
All that works is the 'RADIANT' energy, so how many ways can you get it make it or emulate it ?

The spectrum of "Radiant" energy is very, very broad.

Unfortunately, most "builders" have no idea.

Quote from: Chet K
...the average Child has more information at his fingertips at any given moment than we can even comprehend.

While this may be technically correct it seems to me
that this enormous resource is little utilized.  Even
among those who proclaim themselves proudly to be
"Builders."

Quote from: Chet K
There is plenty new under the sun ,and its been under our noses all along ,its just that now

it seems we will be like ....Gods ??.

The technology has advanced by leaps and bounds
but the underlying principles remain as they were.
We Earthlings have been given much help in order to
make those technological advances.  Those entities
who have provided that assistance could be thought
of as possibly "gods."  Have we humans become any
more capable physically and mentally than those before
us in earlier centuries and millennia?  Many would say
that the modern human has been intentionally "dumbed
down" by the "establishment" in order to be more
compliant and docile. 

It is true that Science Books are being continuously amended
to include ether more or less "complex information."
Unfortunately, Science in our modern world is very much controlled
by those in positions of power.  To our detriment.

The Forums are very entertaining and it is gratifying to see
how certain of the experimenters grow in knowledge and
experience.  The brightest among them are able to
learn much without great monetary investment in futile
"builds" or large, expensive machinery/devices.
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: AlienGrey on November 29, 2017, 12:32:14 AM
Oh come on I'm asking you  ::) I'm not trying to be funny but It's not a secret is it ?

All that works is the 'RADIANT' energy, so how many ways can you get it make it or emulate it ?

The spectrum of "Radiant" energy is very, very broad. perhaps it is or perhaps it's just a disguise ?

Unfortunately, most "builders" have no idea..... all I have asked think Akula and other guy Ruslan  are the only masters
but I don't see any way to make it in the circuits even Henry Morays son obviously has no idea and Peter Letterman always appears in communications but never discloses more than he has to.

So now that the lid is off the RADIANT rubbish bin what have we got in side
Hmm it's so full of half completed circuits diagnosis and whats this cow dung?
no most of it is BS  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D shovel that out and now whats at the bottom
under what looks like a radio reciver covered in salt that was thrown in a lake with a
Russian bullet hole in it,but wait whats under that ?
Why its Mr Tesla's notes. the truth at last perhaps ?
 so how about you opening up the last section ?
your chance to shine  :o :D :)
ANY ONE ?
AG
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: SeaMonkey on November 30, 2017, 04:22:44 AM
Quote from: Alien Grey
Why its Mr Tesla's notes. the truth at last perhaps ?

Correct!  Tesla's Tower was not intended to transmit
power through the atmosphere;  but rather to

collect energy from the Earths Vertical Electric Field
and use it to generate AC for distribution from his
tower via electric lines (similar to a small grid of today.)

By extracting electrical energy from the Earth's upper
atmosphere (the Solar Capacitor) and converting it
into AC for distribution Tesla would render coal or oil
fired generating stations obsolete.

That is why his Tower was ordered ruthlessly demolished
by a gang of thugs.  The Love of Money.
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: SeaMonkey on December 01, 2017, 09:23:30 PM
The very convenient High Technology Devices which many
are enjoying in today's World may actually be making
people dumber. (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=162053)

Isn't it a bit ironic that what at first glance appears to be
enhancing the intelligence of our youth is in reality
having the opposite effect?
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: profitis on December 02, 2017, 12:11:30 AM
" The Love of Money."

And weapons
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: profitis on December 02, 2017, 12:17:01 AM
"Isn't it a bit ironic that what at first glance appears to
be
enhancing the intelligence of our youth is in reality
having the opposite effect?"

Yes they becumming mo cunning
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: SeaMonkey on December 02, 2017, 07:58:34 PM
Smartphone Addiction does affect the brain. (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=162064)

Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: AlienGrey on December 07, 2017, 01:20:22 PM
 SeaMonkey It's a pagan world (everything is designed around devil worship even God is a word,
short for Gad're'el Satan's real name. book of Hanok.   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAYJ0esqafg

You cant trust anything or any one.
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: citfta on December 07, 2017, 04:07:15 PM
SeaMonkey It's a pagan world (everything is designed around devil worship even God is a word,
short for Gad're'el Satan's real name. book of Hanok.   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAYJ0esqafg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAYJ0esqafg)

You cant trust anything or any one.

Especially youtube!
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: AlienGrey on December 07, 2017, 07:06:31 PM
Especially youtube!
Well eggs are cheep this week as well. but then that's neither here or their is it.

Citfa I get an eerie feeling you have more than just the one screen name, strange that.  :o
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: citfta on December 07, 2017, 07:28:08 PM
Well eggs are cheep this week as well. but then that's neither here or their is it.

Citfa I get an eerie feeling you have more than just the one screen name, strange that.  :o

That's strange.  I have no idea who else you might think I am but I have only this one user name that I have used for several years.  My real name is Carroll which I have had for almost 72 years.  I  sometimes sign my posts and sometimes not.

As far as the youtube comment, anyone that gets their education and information from youtube are getting exactly what they deserve for being too lazy to do their own research.

Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: AlienGrey on December 08, 2017, 12:32:43 AM
That's strange.  I have no idea who else you might think I am but I have only this one user name that I have used for several years.  My real name is Carroll which I have had for almost 72 years.  I  sometimes sign my posts and sometimes not.

As far as the youtube comment, anyone that gets their education and information from youtube are getting exactly what they deserve for being too lazy to do their own research.
Well Carroll are we talking ancient Arabic Hebrew scriptures ? I have read a good part of it but have never come across much similarity with the king James pile of translation errors. With out the internet we would all be indoctrinated with sheer lies so I wouldn't go throwing the baby out with the bath water. Not just yet.

Allen

PS i'm well aware of the truth.
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: citfta on December 08, 2017, 01:50:46 AM
Well Allen,

I really do think you have me confused with someone else.  I never said anything about ancient Arabic Hebrew scriptures or any other scriptures.  And I was not suggesting that all the internet was useless.  I was only saying that unless you do some serious research of your own you can be easily led astray by all the garbage posted on youtube.  Used in the proper way the internet can be a powerful tool.  But you have to understand the limitations and ulterior motives of some areas of it.  I almost never use Google because the search results you will get are heavily bias to promote their hidden agenda.  A good library will beat the internet any day for serious research.

Respectfully,
Carroll
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: AlienGrey on December 27, 2017, 06:35:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8Vfp48laS8&list=RDz8Vfp48laS8&t=14

AG
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: SeaMonkey on March 26, 2018, 09:02:00 PM
Once again Erron at EF goes into a "postal meltdown." (http://www.energeticforum.com/free-energy-frauds-pseudoskeptics/7688-luc-choquette-fraud-dispute-4.html#post309163)

This happens with regularity and is always quite
amusing as it develops and evolves.

It begins about here. (http://www.energeticforum.com/free-energy-frauds-pseudoskeptics/7688-luc-choquette-fraud-dispute-3.html#post308992)

I have some difficulty comprehending why Erron
would characterize Chet, Luc, TK, Miles Higher and
Poynt99 in such an unfriendly and demeaning
manner.  Those technicians/engineers have
contributed much to the cause of Truth while
assisting all experimenters in discerning false
claims from actual circuit performance.

EF is becoming the Land of Looney Tunes...
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: AlienGrey on March 26, 2018, 09:52:23 PM
Once again Erron at EF goes into a "postal meltdown." (http://www.energeticforum.com/free-energy-frauds-pseudoskeptics/7688-luc-choquette-fraud-dispute-4.html#post309163)

This happens with regularity and is always quite
amusing as it develops and evolves.

I have some difficulty comprehending why Erron
would characterize Chet, Luc, TK, Miles Higher and
Poynt99 in such an unfriendly and demeaning
manner.  Those technicians/engineers have
contributed much to the cause of Truth while
assisting all experimenters in discerning false
claims from actual circuit performance.

EF is becoming the Land of Looney Tunes...
Who is Eerron ? do you mean Aarron at energetic forums ?  ;D ;D
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: ramset on March 27, 2018, 11:51:08 AM
There is something very wrong

when we teach...there is more that is taught than the lesson, people and the kids pay attention

"Come here and I will show you a secret... a secret which would save the world [many secrets actually]
make sure you bring your wallet ,[I have to eat too] and if you can't get it to work ??
thats on you " [Tuff Luc for you]

===========================
HUH ??
Insert  horror Pic here of Fucashima  [China syndrome] famine, Drought ,oil wars ,global warming [science is telling us its almost too late]
extinction level events.....Pollution etc etc etc

and selling secrets which would stop this?? 
for how many years??
or decades ?? [1984]

The Kids are paying attention....

at what level does a person change from I have secrets to sell to
open source or  "here we need this ....our lives depend on it our children's lives..."

I am so thankful that my children did not die for lack of Aaron's secrets
but Millions or billions have since??
what was it 1984 ??

how much are these  secrets worth ??

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
and then there are the Kids reading this lesson "some secrets are worth more than Lives [if you can make a buc]"
the unwritten but obvious lesson.

the kids look around and see "No body who buys the secret books shares this secrets in the book to save the planet [insert pics again of horrors here]

to this day ...since 1984 ??


nobody can point to the secrets saving anybody from anything .

so they learn the other lesson Aaron teaches everyday
Get yours don't worry about them if they don't get it ...SSHHH its a secret  ;)

is anybody teaching them anything else ?

use to be they were taught "other" things ??

now Aaron teaches them its OK to sell secrets that can save lives or the planet ...
if you can make a buc.

many other lessons being taught these days to the Kids

yeah I agree
don't give these "kids" guns if this is what your teaching them......

Yeesh
everybody leaves a legacy....


Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: tinman on March 27, 2018, 12:33:42 PM
Especially youtube!

Never let schooling get in the way of your education.


Brad
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: citfta on March 27, 2018, 12:50:31 PM
Never let schooling get in the way of your education.


Brad

Hi Brad,

Please show a link to at least one OU device on Youtube that you believe is real.  I am sure I can easily find at least a hundred that are fake but are claimed to be real.

Respectfully,
Carroll
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: tinman on March 27, 2018, 01:11:50 PM
Once again Erron at EF goes into a "postal meltdown." (http://www.energeticforum.com/free-energy-frauds-pseudoskeptics/7688-luc-choquette-fraud-dispute-4.html#post309163)

This happens with regularity and is always quite
amusing as it develops and evolves.

It begins about here. (http://www.energeticforum.com/free-energy-frauds-pseudoskeptics/7688-luc-choquette-fraud-dispute-3.html#post308992)

I have some difficulty comprehending why Erron
would characterize Chet, Luc, TK, Miles Higher and
Poynt99 in such an unfriendly and demeaning
manner.  Those technicians/engineers have
contributed much to the cause of Truth while
assisting all experimenters in discerning false
claims from actual circuit performance.

EF is becoming the Land of Looney Tunes...

It's simple==he(Aaron the rookie) knows that the above mentioned are far beyond his reach.

Quote: TK, Milehigh and Poynt99 cannot be separated from each other because they are the three stooges. The three stooges that you worked with in synchrony with years ago in the Ainslie threads. As soon as TK was booted for his mouth, you came immediately to the rescue and made sure that you put his posts there on his behalf. This was before the Milehigh and Poynt99 stooges were booted.

This is the way Aaron the rookie operates.
He boots those off the forum that know more than he dose--which is most people there.
If you argue the point with him,and he knows he cant win because he is wrong,then you get booted,as i did when i exposed UFOpolotics for his huge OU blunder.
When i posted the video on how to correctly carry out a prony brake test to calculate HP,and told UFOpolotics he got it wrong,and that his motor was actually 23% less efficient than my !off the shelf! motor,i got booted.

This is the way Aaron the rookie work's--he is a dictator,not a leader.

Quote: everyone knows TK, Poynt99 and Milehigh work together as a team to spread disinformation and you are helping them. In other words, you have been the greatest supporter of those clown's disinformation of anyone who has ever posted in this forum.  As I said, you are untrustworthy.

Aaron-->you are an ass clown,and a hypocrite.

Here is a classic example
And he calls others untrustworthy,and spreads disinformation-->while he is happy to do it,and profit from his own disinformation and lies.

Quote:
Quote
The importance of the Homopolar Generator cannot be emphasized enough. It is a drag free generator that produces electricity by simply rotating a magnet in space!

Common generators will get bogged down when you draw electricity from them – for example if you light up a bunch of bulbs on a gasoline generator set, the engine has to work harder to compensate for that load, thereby burning up more gasoline.

But with a Homopolar Generator, you can draw electricity from it and it does not bog down what is turning the magnet. And this is just one of the many benefits of this kind of generator.

So,pictured below,is the next book of bullshit--coming your way soon.

Oh,and check this out--you wont believe this lol.

Quote from the !buy the book !page :D

His invention of the world's most efficient plasma ignition system that actually ignites water in an engine has been awarded a U.S. Patent.

The guy has no dignity(the state or quality of being worthy of honour or respect) at all.


Brad
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: tinman on March 27, 2018, 01:32:13 PM
Hi Brad,

Please show a link to at least one OU device on Youtube that you believe is real.  I am sure I can easily find at least a hundred that are fake but are claimed to be real.

Respectfully,
Carroll

Carroll

Where did i mention finding OU machines on youtube?

All i did was post a quote that has meaning--never let your schooling get in the way of your education.
This simply means that you will learn more out of school than you will while you are there.

You will never find an OU machine,for the very simple reason that you cannot make energy from nothing.
Nothing can produce energy--the energy comes from some where.
OU simply means you have a device that transforms one form of energy into another,but that energy source is yet to be understood.

I will give you one classic example=a youtube video that shows exactly what i am referring to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpcqMPvcoW0&t=8s

Thats right--it is my video,saved and re-uploaded by a fellow researcher.

Do you see a flaw in the measurements? --No?,thats because there was no flaw.
PW,MarkE,and poynt99 were all fairly satisfied with the measurements taken,as it was there measurement protocol.
To most (nearly all) this would appear to be an OU machine,but to me(and 2 others)the source of  the !apparent! extra power is known and understood.


Brad

Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: forest on March 27, 2018, 01:51:20 PM
This guy had better apparatus in 2010 and I'm sure he discovered it before 2008.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-NhDeNGh7M
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: tinman on March 27, 2018, 01:55:22 PM
To quote citfta at EF

Quote
I will say one thing on Chet's behalf. At least he doesn't keep promoting book after book and video after video that promises to give the final secret of overunity but never deliver that secret.

A man that knows how it is.
Well done citfta,for having the balls to stand up to that fraud Aaron.

Aaron the rookies reply
Quote: We've released more books and videos on real overunity technologies than any other publisher combined. If you're not able to apply the information, it's on you. And we have never claimed any final secret to overunity because there isn't one - there are simply very well established parameters that must be followed in order to achieve it. And, you have access to the forum for FREE and you are not required to purchase anything that actually pays the bills for the dedicated server or anything else so if you're that ungrateful, leave.

By the way, give up your income and ask for donations and let's see how long it takes until you're begging for money on the street.

Quote
We've released more books and videos on real overunity technologies than any other publisher combined

This shows how delusional Aaron really is--he actually believes his own lies.
Fact is,not one of there books gives any details on any OU machine.
The lie is,he is stating that they do.

Quote
If you're not able to apply the information, it's on you.

Not one single person who bought a book of bullshit,has been able to !apply! the information.

Quote
And we have never claimed any final secret to overunity because there isn't one - there are simply very well established parameters that must be followed in order to achieve it.
Of course Aaron the rookie(and his minions),have never been able to achieve it either.

Aaron,if you read this--> YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT>


Brad
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: tinman on March 28, 2018, 01:08:07 PM
Just a side note

Quote Aaron:

3
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But what nobody has ever done because actually many said it couldn't be done was that I used the SAME capacitor for the capacitive discharge input to the primary giving a cdi spark AND SIMULTANEOUSLY used the SAME capacitor to serve as the low voltage high current source that will jump the gap. They said it couldn't be done because they don't understand how it works. They claimed when the capacitor hits the primary that it completely discharged but I knew better. Hardly any gets to the primary to make the spark and when it is made the rest, which is most of it jumps the gap causing the plasma. The only truly significant innovation to plasma jet ignition systems in over 40 years - and I am the sole inventor of it.

Oddly enough,being a mechanic for over 38 years now,i remember systems like this years ago.
So thought i would go on the hunt.

Below is Aarons diagrams of his and Luc's !!plasma!! ignition systems.
Also is an ignition system designed by a man called Toshimi Abo
He designed and patented this ignition system back in 1981  ;D

But Aaron is the sole inventor lol

Aint that a hoot. :D
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: citfta on March 28, 2018, 02:57:09 PM
Hi Brad,

I remember when that thread first started and Luc presented his claims.  Aaron questioned whether or not a high voltage low current arc could then carry a high current at low voltage.  I replied that tig welders did it all the time.  When you first step on the pedal on a tig welder a high voltage high frequency source is connected to the tig torch.  This starts the arc and then the high current low voltage follows the arc to heat the metal so it can be welded.  After I posted that information he then came back and said he knew that but blah,blah,blah.  If he really knew that then why did he question what Luc had posted?

If he reads this those posts will probably disappear if they haven't already been removed.

Take care,
Carroll
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: tinman on March 28, 2018, 03:40:22 PM
Hi Brad,

I remember when that thread first started and Luc presented his claims.  Aaron questioned whether or not a high voltage low current arc could then carry a high current at low voltage.  I replied that tig welders did it all the time.  When you first step on the pedal on a tig welder a high voltage high frequency source is connected to the tig torch.  This starts the arc and then the high current low voltage follows the arc to heat the metal so it can be welded.  After I posted that information he then came back and said he knew that but blah,blah,blah.  If he really knew that then why did he question what Luc had posted?

If he reads this those posts will probably disappear if they haven't already been removed.

Take care,
Carroll

Yep,have both types of machines--the old scratch start,and the newer proximity start(HV arc start)

Slowly people are starting to see what Aaron,Peter linderman,and the late JB are really about.

Take the !!lockridge!! device for example.
A device fabricated by the JB team,in the hopes of making some quick dollars from yet another book of rubbish.
You simply have to do a google search,and every single page on the !!lockridge!! device has there name plastered all over it.
Seems not one single person in the world(other than the above mentioned) knew of this device.
It is also true that the JB team could not produce this self running VW generator to any one other than them selves--not one single demonstration of this wonder machine working-->but you could buy the book  :D

I use to have a good laugh at the SSG group,when they would present there 1 ohm test as proof that the SSG was producing more power than it consumed. This is a clear case that even the inventor did not understand his own machines--they didnt know a current loop when it was right there in front of them  ;D
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: ramset on March 28, 2018, 04:25:50 PM
I know they have to make a living too  ::)

But perhaps if they had shared these secrets in 1984 ...or since...??

they would not be on the Leeward side of the Gifts from 
Fukushima and the ongoing 'China Syndrome"meltdown....


ask anyone with a Geiger counter what is happening on the leeward side of
Fukushima maybe a good follow up to all these "secrets that would save the world Books"



should be ??


selfishness run amuk ??
or

the consequences of my inaction ??


all the folks who hide behind the FE will end the world and cause chaos ??
should get a Geiger counter


what goes around
Fukushima comes around...
the whole planet ,and its not fixed yet....


some say an "extinction level" event is in play.
















Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: Belfior on March 28, 2018, 07:12:08 PM
I know they have to make a living too  ::)

But perhaps if they had shared these secrets in 1984 ...or since...??

they would not be on the Leeward side of the Gifts from 
Fukushima and the ongoing 'China Syndrome"meltdown....


ask anyone with a Geiger counter what is happening on the leeward side of
Fukushima maybe a good follow up to all these "secrets that would save the world Books"



should be ??


selfishness run amuk ??
or

the consequences of my inaction ??


all the folks who hide behind the FE will end the world and cause chaos ??
should get a Geiger counter


what goes around
Fukushima comes around...
the whole planet ,and its not fixed yet....


some say an "extinction level" event is in play.

Maybe there was an issue when the cold war was going on to hide everything and research it in secret. Now the threat is more about the consuming that has only increased since WW2. I think nuclear power is something like a backdoor to the running system. It is there, but we are not supposed to use it, because we can take all the energy we need from other means.

Spending resources and consuming has reached a level that can only be logical if they already colonized at least some moons or planets in this solar system. Not even the greediest fuck would cut down all the forests to make money and then choke on top of a pile of money from the lack of oxygen.

This is how I see it.

I think there is a Creator. It might be just the consciousness or heck maybe it is some kinda intelligent entity. Religions are 5% about this entity and 95% politics.
There are other solar systems. This means we are supposed to go there or they are supposed to come here. If it is all about us, then no intelligent Creator would make GAZILLIONS of stars&planets. Not even if bored
In addition there are billions of galaxies. There is no way that we are the only intelligent life. If they are coming here, they are not using coal or oil. I doubt they are using nuclear either.
Nuclear power will eventually break from what ever shelter you make for it and then it kills all life. This is not something the Creator was planning for us to use.

So there is a power source we can use. I believe we can arrange circumstances so, that Nature will give us electricity that was not put into the system by us. Some organizations have this and other technology and they are out there making headway and what they should do is let all the crazy pioneers out there to do their glass dome weed farms in the asteroid belt.

Sure there is going to be problems like some fanatic making a saucer and dropping TNT into the White House, but this is shit that is going to happen anyway. It is not about the technology, but how this guy came to this conclusion, that this is a good idea? If you invade countries and bomb nations to stone age then you are always in danger of someone dropping TNT into your house.

So what we need to watch out for in the future:

Leader that says "God is with us. Let's go kill those other people"
Anybody who says "I know what God thinks and he says we need to do some (raping and) killing"
Any religion, that puts people ahead of other people.
Letting our governments tell us what to do, who to kill and what to eat and still call it democracy (making you choose between 2 candidates that are both owned by the same corporations is not democracy...)
We gotta start loving ourselves and other people. Nobody is coming after you, if you love them too much. This means you don't need to live in fear and kill people just to be sure
If you take the other route and kill your enemies and just to be sure kill those that you are not sure about, then you are fucked for ever. No nation is so powerful or big, that will not be a bigger one that will stomp you.
If you are the last nation alive, then you are just watching your own people and eventually they will overthrow you.
All the this insane spending and consuming is not all about money. They got some weird plan why they need us to fuck up this planet.

I think that was a good rant!
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: NerzhDishual on March 31, 2018, 12:23:07 AM


Whether the Patoskeptic Garden Dwarfs Trolls agree or not, I, after having taking
some time to read a bunch of Zephir's posts, must confess that I mostly do agree with him... ;D

Le bonsoir vous sied,
Jean
Title: Re: THE RANT ROOM
Post by: Zephir on April 03, 2018, 02:37:26 AM
This forum is infested by Russian trolls and Stefan is doing nothing against it. I can see @Tinman is also leaving this forum (http://overunity.com/profile/tinman.78258/area/showposts/) by now... :-(
If someone wants to discuss some sourced ! ideas or experiments, he can post it here (https://www.reddit.com/r/Physics_AWT/comments/7fk4m6/brownian_motion_of_graphene_potential_source_of/), but all trolling (dumb / pointless verbiage or pathoskeptic BS) will be deleted from there with no mercy.