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Offline Floor

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« Reply #75 on: June 18, 2020, 07:34:16 AM »
@ Ramset
      very cool !

@ All readers
Most all of us have flamed on a bad day.
Hey its forgivable !
         but
Persecuting some one for a misstatement or just flat out being wrong, doesn't make it
more likely that, that person will be able to come back gracefully from their mistake.
      Does it ?

Rather than derailing a topic (temporarily or not) better to set it aside if possible or take it
to a rant room / dust bin.

 It's difficult to have been wrong and accept it.  Were all here learning. 

Its pretty much the rule, that one must have a conceptualization, wright or wrong or there
is no learning. 

Rote learning is not the same as understanding a thing.

Understanding is connections.
Any person will typically arrive at many, incorrect conceptions in relationship to any concept which is new to him.  Those conceptions whether voiced or written or only in the form of thoughts which have  come and gone so quickly as to be almost unnoticed  / unremembered  were wrong.... or we didn't learn any thing.   Yes, no ?

My opinion..

The "teacher" learns more than the student or else its time for the teacher to do something else.

Guess what, this means that the teacher (voiced or unvoiced) is wrong as often as not !  smile..

Else the teacher is not a teacher, not an educator, but is instead a mere  instructor or presenter.

A person and THEIR topic are moving in a direction. Their direction. 

Or else the topic is a brain storming session (fine many times), or a brawl (not so good). 

Brain storming is fun, but those ideas most often don't flower into any thing / manifest / complete.
               Do they.

Get over the idea that all topics are for you to brain storm in or flash your ideas !  Because
this changes a topics direction (some times not good).  Some times a troll tactic (not good).
Some times not intentional (still not good).

This is one good reason to start topic of your own.  Just don't call it a brain storming topic.  If you want good input the topic needs to start from a good seed.  Got one ?

Could be someone else's good idea.  Doesn't matter, it just matters that it interests you. 

      whatever
       peace, out
          floor

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« Reply #76 on: June 18, 2020, 12:31:14 PM »
Partnered Output Coils- Builders Group-Moderated !
#142
           www.mathisfun.com link about " ..... =  .....
   5 sentences below : ....... J/s and J-s are different Units, J-s!=J/s  ::)


EE is complicated,not become confused also !

But more important than this "Stutenbissigkeits"-battle is to (re-)mark/notice the specified formula in basic units application   :




                                   Energy,Work in SI-basic Kg-m² /s² units     times  Js         = /s

                                   Energy,Work in SI-basic Kg-m² /s²  units     times  J/s       = /s³




            Probably by "s,s² and s³ " we will see how specific energy = mc² changed by Tesla to = tc²


                                         energy is not matter and matter is not energy                   

                            energy transforms to matter and matter transforms to energy


                                  specific Lorentz force and Lorentz Transformation

                    Angular Momentum,Spin = descripted as Maxwells equitations independent !
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« Reply #77 on: June 18, 2020, 01:21:33 PM »
Hi Floor,

Thanks for your wise words I basically agree with you.  Indeed "it is difficult to have been wrong and accept it. We are all here learning."   

 In the present case someone made a misstatement, others attempted to correct him and he then went to great lengths to confuse
the less  observant readers to think he was correct all the time and the others were wrong. 

And in his confusing posts he did include mocking words for the others.
 
This attitude is the one that needs drawing widespread attention to, IMHO. 

Thanks, 
Gyula

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Offline onepower

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« Reply #78 on: June 18, 2020, 03:00:12 PM »
Floor
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Persecuting some one for a misstatement or just flat out being wrong, doesn't make it
more likely that, that person will be able to come back gracefully from their mistake.
Does it ?
Rather than derailing a topic (temporarily or not) better to set it aside if possible or take it
to a rant room / dust bin.
It's difficult to have been wrong and accept it.  Were all here learning.

Nobody is persecuting anyone for being wrong and I think most understand anytime EMJ is criticized in any way he comes unglued and goes all Jekyll and hyde on them. That is the issue here and your trying to victimize the real victims in my opinion ie. gaslighting.

I would also point out that it's not difficult being wrong and accepting it because I do it all the time. I'm actually wrong or not wholly correct on many technical problems and it's super easy to accept it. The question you need to ask yourself is why would someone seem to go to extraordinary lengths to cover up a simple mistake?. To continuously double down, delete posts and belittle or insult others?.

You see when someone points out one of my errors I usually thank them, I don't come unglued and start hurling insults... but that's just me.

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« Reply #79 on: June 18, 2020, 04:34:56 PM »
  There is only one answer to the above post by onepower and Ramset. Guess what that could be...  Even IF, a small circuit can show some small measure of OU, will that really help or change the world? Will that end hunger, will it light peoples homes, will it run their electric cars? NO. Let's be real, Any small solar panel will blow that little circuit out of the water, today, already.
    The reason that we don't have OU, nor a self running device, yet, is because of the harmful potential that a true and powerful OU or self running device would have on the world. Harmful to the powers that be. Because of that we will not own the tech, today, nor tomorrow. Not for Adrian, not for Tariel, not for Bedinni, and not for you as well.    Even if we were to find out just how to do it. Obviously, we are not there yet. Just look at Kapanadze's newest circuits,  are they going to be allowed?  NO, not today. Not until the economic crash that will break down and ruin even the strongest power companies, oil companies, the banking sector, which is already more than broke. You don't believe it?  Oil at minus 27 dollars, in just a short time, is just one example.
   Hang tight guys, we don't have too much longer to wait, until the truth will be known. Shit is now hitting the fan. Great.   We will know what we need to know, when we need to know it. Even if you think that you are ready for it, the world is not.As along with these types of technologies, comes weather control, weapons of mass destructions, etz... and we are NOT ready for all that, as yet. Just look what Tesla could do with a little small box, to bring down a building, a bridge, and much more that he could do, with a little small box in his Pierse Arrow car, almost 100 years ago, using resonance, from the Cosmic Soup.
     NickZ

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Offline onepower

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« Reply #80 on: June 18, 2020, 04:51:26 PM »
I would also say...

Some of us have seen all this before repeating itself in most of the forums over the years. Someone comes along claiming they are the chosen one and only they understand and anyone who questions them in any way is evil and part of some grand conspiracy. Many drink the koolaid aid and become loyal and obidient followers attacking and victimizing all who question there chosen one.

However what we know from history is that this seldom if ever ends well. Over at the energetic forum it would seem there chosen ones may have been secretly patenting others work and I imagine any evidence to the contrary may have been mysteriously erased from there servers due to Chinese hackers, lol.

I don't like being critical and I hope this time is different however the odds are against us. It just seems to me the good hard working people here just keep getting screwed over from every angle. Myself, I could never trust anyone who viciously attacks other people because the next time it could be us. There is no excuse for it and it isn't going to just fix itself by ignoring it.

I suspect this time next year the truth will be known whether we were all being gaslighted yet again or not. My intuition tells me history is due to repeat itself.

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« Reply #81 on: June 18, 2020, 05:01:25 PM »
NickZ, the energy price - here as special case : electricity


https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=pt&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fexpresso.pt%2Feconomia%2F2020-04-29-Abril-teve-a-eletricidade-mais-barata-dos-ultimos-seis-anos.-Eis-as-razoes


 is falling and falling ,sometimes now in Central Europe electricity explorer has to pay to introduce their product into the net : negative prices  !






e-C.O.P.> 1 devices will increase this price decrease,but to introduce such devices to market and to the consumer controled is more important than in hurry action :


                 it is political program and economical direction in E.U.-Europe : Zero Energy Building = autonomous living,in situ home plant,net-off grid   




                To plan with US b2b electricity market prices as future consumer price average : 5 Euro-cents/KWh consume !


       
Sincerely


OCWL


p.s.: really interestant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOp26wnzyXk&feature=youtu.be          wireless 58 W bulb charge





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« Reply #82 on: June 18, 2020, 05:06:52 PM »
Nickz
Think about it... if I can generate one watt I would also understand the generation process which can then be expanded on or scaled up. With one watt I could also sequence multiple units increasing the power exponentially. With one watt I may not be able to change the world but I could change the minds of millions of others who could.

The real power is not in the technology but the idea that we are swimming in a sea of energy there for the taking. If everyone believed this was true and had proof it was we would see an energy revolution the likes of which few can comprehend. One watt...

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« Reply #83 on: June 18, 2020, 05:24:20 PM »
   Lanca:
   Thanks for the link.   What I have always noticed when lighting florescent tubes with these types of HV circuits, is that you will not really get anywhere near the brightness as they are designed to give, like 3700 lumen written on the bulb itself. Yet, little light is seen lighting up the bench. And using HV pulses over what the bulbs are designed for, will burn and char the tube itself. Not good.   I admit that I don't understand what the guys is saying, but I think that I get the idea. If I'm wrong, please let me know.

   Onepower:  Well, that is your theory... let's see it in action. We have been saying that for a long long time. And still getting no where. One watt... well, not even 1/10 of a watt, not even one single tiny led bulb lighting. Nothing. Period. No OU prize, zilch.   Why is it that only the Russian/Slavs know about this?  But, won't/can't show how it's done.
   Why is it that only Geo and I are the only ones left actually trying to do the best we can to develop and bring this out to the rest of the people here. I know why. But, still having a hard time at it. We need all the help that we can get. So, help us, to help you.   As soon as the tech is known, there is no stopping it. Unless the internet goes down, at the same time.
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« Reply #84 on: June 18, 2020, 05:31:03 PM »
onepower ,

Lets try that and see...one little watt...harvested in a heretofore unknown way...
from the sea of energy, night or day..undersea or on the mountain..in hot or cold climate...Desert or Jungle..

IMO [and yours too ...and others ]the game changer extraordinaire

we had a member here...I think "theoreticalresearcher" nice young man from California...said this year a One watt device would arrive on the planet..
Maybe somebody here will deliver...?
fed ex ?
UPS ??meanwhile...we are all Builders here ...well ?

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« Reply #85 on: June 18, 2020, 05:46:14 PM »
   Lets???   How about it Ramset, will you get into this ball game, after your 7000 posts? No sitting on the bench. "We are all BUILDERS here. Really? You can't have a routing section without action. So, what are you going to do? What circuit will you build? You need equipment? Did Tariel need a scope, signal generator, spectrum analyzer, power supplies, etz? Did he hide them all under his bed, in the bedroom videos.
   So much talk, and so little action. Will this time be different? We don't really need moderation, we need motivation.
  Like you said, if you don't like what someone says, don't go there. but, is that the solution? For Stefan, yes. But, for us?
    I think that it is important to clarify misinformation. But, do we really need to know just how to take full measurements, when we have NOTHING to measure?    Lanca mentioned,  "the chicken, or the egg".

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« Reply #86 on: June 19, 2020, 09:51:32 PM »
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Lets???   How about it Ramset, will you get into this ball game, after your 7000 posts? No sitting on the bench. "We are all BUILDERS here. Really? You can't have a routing section without action. So, what are you going to do? What circuit will you build? You need equipment? Did Tariel need a scope, signal generator, spectrum analyzer, power supplies, etz? Did he hide them all under his bed, in the bedroom videos.
   So much talk, and so little action. Will this time be different? We don't really need moderation, we need motivation.
  Like you said, if you don't like what someone says, don't go there. but, is that the solution? For Stefan, yes. But, for us?
    I think that it is important to clarify misinformation. But, do we really need to know just how to take full measurements, when we have NOTHING to measure?    Lanca mentioned,  "the chicken, or the egg".

There are limitations and we cannot just build what we do not understand. It's like me saying I want a UFO so I don't want you to think about it or talk to other people just start throwing stuff together ad infinitum until something happens. I want it and we need it so drop everything your doing and do as I say, lol. Unfortunately this seldom if ever works in reality for obvious reasons.

Consider Nikola Tesla who got a kick out of people like Edison who found a thousand ways to fail and rarely succeeded without stealing others ideas. Tesla was a thinker, a philosopher who perfected the idea or concept in his head then once he knew the idea was workable, only then would he build. He did this so he wasn't wasting all his time on unworkable idea's as we so often see here and elsewhere.

As well concerning the egg and the chicken, the egg is the idea from which the chicken was born. No egg, no chicken because without the egg the idea of a chicken could not reproduce itself. My personal theory is that chickens and other animals didn't always lay eggs and they evolved as a means for survival. What better way to protect our young than to have a protective shell from the elements and predators. One could say mankind developing shelters and houses is a form of protection for our young, a shell if you will. Thus this philosophical riddle of which came first is a mute point isn't it?... it's just evolution.

Which ultimately begs the question why so many supposedly intelligent people would waste so much time thinking about an egg and a chicken. It should have been obvious that something like an egg or chicken cannot simply be created from nothing thus neither was created and the answer is something we all should know well, evolution.

Continually asking the wrong questions from a flawed perspective does not lead to answers only more questions.

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« Reply #87 on: June 19, 2020, 10:08:41 PM »
   Ok, well, seams like people that are showing nothing are the one that are attacking the ones that are.
I make no claims, and never have. I have replicated the same circuit that three different people have shown self running, to see if I can make a go of it. I am not done with this device, yet. It is a work in progress. And I enjoy building. You have a problem with that?

   So, please forget about me, and just show us all how well YOU manage to provide for OU. As that is what will convince us that you know what you're talking about. And not just pissing into the wind.
   I know what I need to do, I'm a grown man. And the mode of operation of this particular device has been mentioned over and over many many times.
   So, let's just see what you can do on your own. That is the only question that I ask, with my flawed perspective.   
  Thanks for you comments.    NickZ
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« Reply #88 on: June 20, 2020, 12:08:26 AM »
Nick,  Yes Been building and fabricating since a kid.
Had 4KW plasma water smoosher on the bench until a few weeks ago...up for redesign [for waterfuel and heat experiments..

I never like wasting peoples time ....[with failures]

However as mentioned here recently... will be starting a builders topic on waterfuel soon. [many thx to Johan-1955 !:']
  Here a pic of just one of todays Build /fabrication jobs ...parts no longer available.. must be "Built"  ...monster Drive sprocket...
One thing I must add ...it is people that will make this work ...and we need all the people we can get...the world truely is very strange ATM...





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« Reply #89 on: June 20, 2020, 01:09:51 AM »
will be starting a builders topic on waterfuel soon. [many thx to Johan-1955 !:']

One thing I must add ...it is people that will make this work ...and we need all the people we can get...the world truely is very strange ATM...

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