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Offline NickZ

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« Reply #120 on: June 21, 2020, 07:37:19 PM »
   Phone tablets are handy as well. Don't need to pack a docking station.They can connect direct to mouse and keyboard by USB. Mine also has HDMI.

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« Reply #121 on: June 21, 2020, 11:32:15 PM »
Whatisit
  Perhaps if you could make a checklist of information you do not have to do the replication and we could start to gather that information towards a PDF

First my apology to Chris.
At first I was mad and thought he must wanna publicity,
but then I realized that I could be very wrong.
I used first core I found, and I did everything in hurry.
I think I failed in directions of diodes.
Could be anything.
Will do again with more care when I come back home in a day or two.
Not sure now what I did wrong.
Must be directions of diodes.
Chris used toroid, close loop core, and I probably looked at scheme,
where is not drawed shape of core. So, I made stupid error. Probably.
Thanks!
Could help if Chris draw shape of core on scheme, it will be easier to follow direction.
And there will be no room for mistake.
And, sorry Chris for my words.

Nick, yes, the tablet idea is very good, but I have to use mobile phone,
I driving a lot and is impractical for me to use tablet.
phone always can put in pocket, and lots of other small reasons,
like typing message with one hand, and on, and on...
but thanks for the tip.
For me, problem arise when come to hotel and must unpack laptop,
then transfer needed data or files from phone to laptop just to do some work,
lets say in MS Excel and when I am done transfer data back to phone,
because all work I am doing while driving with my phone during the day.
Laptop serves me only to prepare files or data or tons of documents needed for work.

But actually phone is my bussines hub.
Nightmare!

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« Reply #122 on: June 22, 2020, 12:28:05 AM »
On your I phone have you found the thick film antenna around the battery covering?
itsunder the fancy label.

Apparently its for remote eves dropping and down loading what’s on your phone.
I bet it records and sends off data where ever you are or what you’re doing.
a clever surveillance device and tracker.


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« Reply #123 on: June 22, 2020, 01:00:42 AM »
perhaps he does not realize you are a builder too [when intrigued ]
we have had persons here in the past who engaged or critiqued but would never build.[sometimes very good reason]
here I am certain if all info gets put into simple replication document
many more persons would build..after all it is remarkable claim.
I am trying to get info into a small PDF ...most don't need to be sold on such a simple aboveunity claim...just need a simple presentation [schematic , spec sheet all relevant info and expectations [expectations already noted "aboveunity"





There are no "remarkable" claims if one knows what they are doing!

Partzman, Here, has three little coils, and measures Above Unity, in point of fact his last claim was: 1.48

There is nothing special, if one understands what they are looking at and the direction they must head in! Energy is Pumped from Source! Source is the Copper Atom! Magnetic Fields are the only field that can influence the Source, as the Charge, and therefore the Magnetic Moment, are susceptible to an External Influence.

So many before us have not found the result they were looking for, simply because they did not understand the Requirements! In depth study of the Electrical Generator, has been the catalyst for the success we have seen in History, even Clemente Figuera said it:

Quote from: Clemente Figuera

Watching closely what happens in a Dynamo in motion...



To many people have been off chasing rainbows! The BS of Cold Electricity, Radiant Energy, and all the other magical BS that so many have in their heads that was planted by the dissinformationalists! Its all LIES! Accept it and move toward Logic, Fact and then you will make progress!

Every success story I have researched, either studied in depth the Electrical Generator, or knew its internal workings very well! Not a single success story has any Magical BS in it!

So, if partzman can make three little coils work, then so can you! I have been showing this for nearly a Decade, many hundreds of success storied have been reported t me. Most are un-willing to share because of your approaches and attitudes here! The Trolls!

Try harder, think harder, focus on Facts! Use Logic! Wipe completely from your minds Fairy Tale Science!

See Partzman's replication of Partnered Output Coils below:

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris

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« Reply #124 on: June 22, 2020, 01:50:54 AM »
Chris As stated before no one has ever found an OU claim at Overunity research that would survive the separation from the bench power supply ,batteries  ,or closer scrutiny.

always the error has been found .
many times partzman has thought he was onto a gain mechanism [above example] which was truly an anomaly [yes did seem to show OU],yet none has survived the ultimate test....An ability to selfrun with no input from external sources.
and still he tries...
your claim from my perspective is truly unique,and yes I absolutely believe there could be many who feel they show aboveunity on the bench.
However a stand alone device should manifest if gain is high enuff [no batteries ..or connected to equipment or??]and even 1.1 should be able to daisy chain I am told ?I am unaware of a 1.1 claim which survived closer scrutiny .
your claim is unique IMO and wonderful you share it .cop 1.9 should be off to the races...[still trying to get your info into a simple document for builders]
thank you,,/
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« Reply #125 on: June 22, 2020, 02:26:47 AM »
Chris As stated before no one has ever found an OU claim at Overunity research that would survive the separation from the bench power supply ,batteries  ,or closer scrutiny.

always the error has been found .
many times partzman has thought he was onto a gain mechanism which was truly an anomaly [yes did seem to show OU],yet none has survived the ultimate test....An ability to selfrun with no input from external sources.
and still he tries...
your claim from my perspective is truly unique,and yes I absolutely believe there could be many who feel they show aboveunity on the bench.
However a stand alone device should manifest if gain is high enuff [no batteries not connected to equipment or??]and even 1.1 should be able to daisy chain I am told ?




Chet, skepticism is healthy in well defined quantity, anything beyond that quantity it is the opposite, un-healthy! One can never succeed if one has given up before they begin!

It may turn out to be true, that much of what you have been told, may turn out to be Hocus Pocus Chet! Sorry but it is very likely, as those that verbalise with no experience, are simply dangerous!

Partzman has 8 pages on his thread, 105 posts made by Partzman, of 189 posts total, many experiments done, some errors made and found, statistically, the odds are pretty good he has done something right! Now, a logical mind dictates, facts must be looked at:

   1: Partzman's experience.
   2: Partzman's equipment.
   3: Partzman's history of such claims and time before an error was found.


Others with the Same Tech, and their Results, or commonly known as Independent Replications, must also be taken into account!

So, honestly, Statistically, the numbers really do speak for themselves!

You need to be a little more positive Chet! Hope is a very powerful thing when used!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes

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« Reply #126 on: June 22, 2020, 02:38:38 AM »
Chris, Partzman often refers to the 1000 experiments on the path to the Bulb..
he keeps trying...
and I am being very positive about the work you shared ,as noted above,attempts to collate into one simple document for replicators.

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« Reply #127 on: June 22, 2020, 03:59:43 AM »



It is certain, the most important things are often the most simple, and the most simple things are the easiest to over look!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo2-Qb3fUYs


A Stationary Magnet (A) can be made to move by placing two Stationary Magnets (B and C) on specific Angles, adjacent to the Initial Stationary Magnet (A)!



Is Charge not just a Magnet? The Electron, having Charge and therefore a Magnetic Moment, thus can be made to move!



Be as skeptical as you wish, I have no desire to twist your arm, I have no desire to convince anyone! I only aim for open minded people to take and use this information as they wish. As so many have already! The Flood Gates of knowledge will turn the Tide!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes

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« Reply #128 on: June 22, 2020, 11:23:00 PM »




There are no "remarkable" claims if one knows what they are doing!

Partzman, Here, has three little coils, and measures Above Unity, in point of fact his last claim was: 1.48

There is nothing special, if one understands what they are looking at and the direction they must head in! Energy is Pumped from Source! Source is the Copper Atom! Magnetic Fields are the only field that can influence the Source, as the Charge, and therefore the Magnetic Moment, are susceptible to an External Influence.

So many before us have not found the result they were looking for, simply because they did not understand the Requirements! In depth study of the Electrical Generator, has been the catalyst for the success we have seen in History, even Clemente Figuera said it:


To many people have been off chasing rainbows! The BS of Cold Electricity, Radiant Energy, and all the other magical BS that so many have in their heads that was planted by the dissinformationalists! Its all LIES! Accept it and move toward Logic, Fact and then you will make progress!

Every success story I have researched, either studied in depth the Electrical Generator, or knew its internal workings very well! Not a single success story has any Magical BS in it!

So, if partzman can make three little coils work, then so can you! I have been showing this for nearly a Decade, many hundreds of success storied have been reported t me. Most are un-willing to share because of your approaches and attitudes here! The Trolls!

Try harder, think harder, focus on Facts! Use Logic! Wipe completely from your minds Fairy Tale Science!

See Partzman's replication of Partnered Output Coils below:


Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris

Chris,

Again I remind you that simulation is NOT a replication of your partnered output coils.  Why, because the three coils shown in the sim L1, L2 and L3 are not on a common core.  L1 and L2 are the primary and secondary of transformer T1 and L3 is located on a separate core entirely.  L3 functions as a constant current source for the secondary L2 of T1 and in this manner, little to no lenz is seen by the primary L1 of T1.  This is key to the operation producing OU.

Basically the circuit works likes this: L2 is initially biased at 100ma via L3.  L1 is then ramped up in current from zero until it equals the current in L2 which is held constant by the current source L3.  L3 is much larger than the secondary inductance of L2 so the current is held relatively constant.  When L1 and L2 are equal in current,  the equivalent series inductance of L1 and L2 is now 10.46mH due to K=.8 so the energy in L1 and L2 at ~100ma is considerably greater than the original energy to charge L2 and the ramp up energy of L1.  This is the simple gain mechanism.  It is due to a constant current loaded secondary, not partnered output coils. 

If all three windings L1, L2, and L3 were on the same core, the device would not produce OU.

Regards,
Pm

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« Reply #129 on: June 22, 2020, 11:48:30 PM »

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To many people have been off chasing rainbows! The BS of Cold Electricity, Radiant Energy, and all the other magical BS 
that so many have in their heads that was planted by the dissinformationalists! Its all LIES! Accept it and move toward
Logic, Fact and then you will make progress!
... 
 

Hi Chris,   

I agree.    However, if you mean to move toward your Fact, for instance, I am in trouble: I have not found any 
measurement result which would back up your claimed input and output power you referred to in your thread.   
( Input = 12V @ 0.5A = 6 Watts, Output = 17V @ 0.7A = ‭11.9‬Watts, COP = ‭11.9‬Watts / 6 Watts)  = ‭1.98‬. )   

No offense but it should equally be valid for you too that what you say may turn out to be Hocus Pocus, no? 

Make no mistake: I could accept your POC setup may give extra output but I have not seen your proof. 
A bright incandescent lamp is not a proof. Your above numbers are not proof either.   And please do not tell me I should build
it myself to make sure about your claim!  The burden of the proof (COP=1.98) is on the claimer.   
 
Why do not you make a few minute long video with YOUR input - output measurements?   
With the DC input and output voltages and currents, it would be easy, no?   

Gyula

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« Reply #130 on: June 23, 2020, 02:58:43 PM »
For those interested, this is a more comprehensive explanation of my sim "Lenz Reduction with Constant Current Load". 

Transformer T1 is made up of identical primary and secondary windings namely L1 and L2 with a coupling factor K = .8 .  Neglecting ohmic losses in all the following, L2 is first charged to 100ma and held at that current by constant current inductor L3.  The energy in L2 is now .1^2*.0029/2 = 14.5uJ.  The primary L1 is now charged from supply V1 until it reaches 100ma.  Due to the fact that the secondary L2 is held charged via a constant current source, it will not present any opposing emf to the primary because there is no change in secondary current and thus the primary will "look like" a 2.9mH inductor to the power supply.  So, the energy then contained in the primary is .1^2*.0029/2 = 14.5uJ.  In reality, the primary inductance will appear slightly higher for the reason explained below.

We have now invested 29uJ to charge both primary and secondary windings resulting in equal in-phase currents.  IOW, we now can connect the primary and secondary in series or L1+L2 and in effect we have an inductance of 10.46mH charged to 100ma.  This results in a net energy of .1^2*.01046/2 = 52.3uJ.  Therefore, the net COP = 52.3/29 = 1.8 .  The maximum theoretical COP with this device is 2.0 with a perfect coupling factor K=1. 

During the time L1 is being charged, a positive voltage will appear across L2.  The polarity of this voltage will affect the current L3 due to di=Eavg*dt/L.  In this case, there will be a slight current loss in L3 thus a loss in energy which must be accounted for.  This slight change in secondary current will also make L1 appear to be slightly higher in inductance.  If the voltage polarity across L3 is negative, there will be an increase in the constant current or a slight gain!

As a side note, the two following formula can be used to calculate the aiding or bucking inductances of two identical windings on a common core if the coupling factor and the inductance of one winding is known.  The buck inductance is Lbuck=((1-k)*2)*L1 and the aid inductance is Laid=(1-((1-k)/2))*4L1.  These can also be solved for k if certain buck or aid inductances are required.  These calcs do not take into account losses or unequal winding inductances.

By applying the above, it is interesting to see the results of bucking coils with K=.5 and then determine what core topology would be required to obtain that k factor.

IMO, there is enough info here for anyone to construct an OU device if they are willing.  Keep in mind that there are many variations possible with this concept.

Regards,
Pm

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« Reply #131 on: June 23, 2020, 11:14:29 PM »
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As stated before no one has ever found an OU claim at Overunity research that would survive the separation from the bench power supply ,batteries  ,or closer scrutiny. always the error has been found .
many times partzman has thought he was onto a gain mechanism [above example] which was truly an anomaly [yes did seem to show OU],yet none has survived the ultimate test....An ability to selfrun with no input from external sources.

Personally I prefer to use input/output capacitors on real circuits for the reasons you pointed out above. So while I may have more failures and non-working concepts or devices I know exactly where I stand in reality. As well with HV circuits of 10 kV or more the input/output can be measured with spark gaps of a known distance (voltage) and photo-detectors (current intensity). Not so much as an exact standardized measurement but more so a meaningful comparison which is what were looking for in my opinion.

It's all work in progress and time ultimately tells what works and is real and what is not so much.

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« Reply #132 on: June 24, 2020, 01:18:43 AM »
Onepower,I have to be honest...I love your thoughts on how to make and log advancements.
perhaps you could do a short tutorial on this capacitor method ?
I know you were mentioning a vid of some kind.
May seem very simple to you ...?  however we need all the help we can get and the more experimenters who collect good Data the better !!... [this is one very big reason for the light bulb temperature to output Data.
??






 

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« Reply #133 on: June 24, 2020, 07:15:55 AM »
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Onepower,I have to be honest...I love your thoughts on how to make and log advancements.
perhaps you could do a short tutorial on this capacitor method ?
I know you were mentioning a vid of some kind.
May seem very simple to you ...?  however we need all the help we can get and the more experimenters who collect good Data the better !!... [this is one very big reason for the light bulb temperature to output Data.
??

There is not much too it and in it's most basic form we replace the source with a big capacitor then charge another identical capacitor on the output.

Think of it this way, we have an input capacitor, a black box circuit and an output capacitor. If in fact the black box circuit outputs more energy than was input then the output capacitor will charge faster than the input capacitor discharges. Once a test cycle is completed we simply do a quick calculation, U=CV^2, on each capacitor to tell us how much energy it contains. I do this because capacitors do not mislead and regardless of what happens in our black box circuit we can always have an exact measure of how much energy went into the circuit and how much left it.

Once we have nailed this basic concept down then we can start to think about how to move the energy in the output capacitor back to the input capacitor to close the loop. When I started I was simply using a high efficiency joule thief (boost converter) on the output capacitor to pump it back to the input capacitor which worked well enough. The boost converter tested at around 90% efficiency so I used a 10% loss in my calculations to compensate. If the capacitors voltage starts running down faster than 10% then we know were moving in the wrong direction.

Regards



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« Reply #134 on: June 24, 2020, 11:04:13 AM »
remarkably simple ...
and also one reason I was told to use thermometers instead of meters at times [certain frequencies completely effect meter accuracy or dependability..and all the fancy equipment too at times..... Noting the temperature of a bulb [as a starting point] ...priceless info for experimenters.
That is to say if I know my experiment uses X input [or come to a conclusion where i define COP
do a simple thermometer test of Bulb at this assumed COP input. 
then play all my experiments ...and always checking bulb temp [to benchmark or "control"]
yes some will say "oh there is energy dissipated [heat] in other parts which needs adding to COP
yes I agree...and that is where thermometer gets used too
lossy cardboard Box...put bulb at assumed COP input claim in box [nothing else] and run
bulb will only be able to heat box to certain temp ...will stabilize do to losses [ambient stealing energy thru lossy cardboard box. [worlds most efficient use of electricity making heat ....unity]take bulb out of box...and put entire POC DUT [proof of concept/ device under test ] into box
a race against the worlds best heat maker.. "unity".
you beat "unity" this way [same COP input as resistor  ..higher temp ?? Katey bar the doors...you get the worlds attention in a heartbeat.
NOBODY HAS BEATEN THE RESISTOR ....for making heat.. UNITY stares us in the face.
[it is a given temperature in a cardboard box]
I was told the worlds most efficient use of electricity is making heat.. 100% efficient [or absolute unity ] The common resistor does this ...since all losses go to heat.. when heat is the goal... resistor is Top dog or king [a bulb comes close so its good to play with...yes it is possible to make bulbs brighter playing with frequency...but brighter and hotter
at same input ??

anyhow...thanks for comment.. anything that helps the open source community do better experiments and make advancements based on benchmarks or accurate measurable goals....priceless contribution to the open source community. 

knowing where your going without knowing where you started [in testing claims]?
not even in my frame of reference [as an option]

just one mans opinion...
 thx Chet

 

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