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Author Topic: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology  (Read 280653 times)

Lidmotor

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #660 on: July 23, 2018, 07:47:45 PM »
erfandl---I am using an MPSA06 just fine on mine.  It gets warm at the higher voltages but I have not blown one yet.  A little Al tape "wing" heat sink is all I need.  At 50mA the little transistors can handle this situation. We can use the bigger transistors that we both have if we need to.
 Your English is OK.  No problem.

Gyula---Thanks for the links to the subject matter that we are discussing.  That was helpful.  Thanks also on how to pronounce your name ('due' -'la'). 

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #661 on: July 23, 2018, 10:31:11 PM »
Quote from: gyulasun on July 22, 2018, 11:44:33 PM
Hi Itsu,

Okay, so it seems your SA nicely shows the multiple output frequencies of an RF mixer and we can be sure the displayed amplitudes at their specific frequencies are present at the collector of the transistor, it is reality.

Regarding your 12 MHz crystal needed a higher input current: although there is the so called 'activity' (willingness to oscillate) behaviour for crystals in general (they are all 'different'), have you tried this: just start the same oscillator with a single 12 MHz crystal and try to run it with say 15-20 mA input current only to see how it behaves. If it is willing to oscillate 'normally', then plug in a single 13,56 MHz crystal in parallel with it and see it oscillate or not etc. Of course it is possible you find the need for increasing input current again to have both crystals work, you will see. Try a 2nd or 3rd 13.56 MHz xtal (one by one) instead of the first one if you find the need for increasing input current to have both crystals work.
And if you happen to have other crystals of yet differing frequencies, do test them when you have time.

We may deduce from your tests now why the SA is not able to display the multiple output frequencies of the 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 pieces of the 13.56 MHz crystals in parallel: the outputs of the frequency components due to the mixing process simply coincide. This means that say the sum of two 13.56 MHz xtals is simply almost equal to the 2nd harmonic, 27.12xx MHz, the small difference may range from some 10 Hz to some 100 Hz (up to some kHz at the higher harmonics) only, so that the SA resolution is simply not fine enough. I think it is the RBW (Resolution Band Width) setting on the SA which can only be reduced to a given smallest setting. depending on sweep time (SWT) or frequency span etc.  The RWB was set to 30 kHz on your SA when you zoomed in on the 13.56 MHz frequency and probably a 10 Hz or less RBW would be needed to see the different frequency components which differ from each other by say 34 Hz. Of course this 10 Hz RBW or less may be a strict requirement for an SA, though not impossible.   

Thanks, 

Gyula

Gyula,

i put the 100K trimmer pot all the way up (100K) and let the oscillator run using a single 13.56Mhz crystal.
It pulls about 14mA giving moderate light at the leds (output voltage about 32Vpp).

Adding a 12Mhz xtal does not do anything, only when pulling out the 13,56Mhz xtal, the oscillator starts
running on 12Mhz, input current increases somewhat (14.4mA) and the leds shine somewhat brighter (output voltage still around 32Vpp).

Adding again the 13.56Mhz xtal again does do nothing untill pulling out the 12Mhz xtal, then the osc. flips
over to 13.56Mhz, decrease the current to 14mA and lowering the leds light (output voltage stays the same).

Doing the same with a 10Mhz xtal shows the same but more extreme, adding the 10Mhz xtal does nothing untill
pulling out the 13.56Mhz xtal, than the leds are more brighter (more then the 12Mhz xtal), input current
goes to 16mA but output voltage stays the same.


To get the both xtals work (mixing), i have to increase the input current to between 50 and 70mA depending
on the xtals in use.

All kind of patterns emerge on both the SA and the scope when mixing is active  :)

Itsu
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mikrovolt

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #662 on: July 23, 2018, 10:32:01 PM »
Most of you are familiar with Dr Stiffler's methods. We imitate, "Do just like that" we get certain results. It bridges gaps previously
not obvious because of experience level. ln this post the video uses a different method in working with a roll of coax. 
Stepping back for a moment from single wire. Looking at coax with multiple frequency Will the faster wave arrive sooner?
The crystal has a constant frequency however the length of the coax has a set distance that gives a time constant.
We identify these constants and their artifacts gives us an advantage in using them effectively. The multiple frequency
waves could be untangled easier using a few basics for making sense of waveforms with it's reflected wave when
the nodes are fixed. The applications in alt energy are many. Only a few are applying this concept in various applications.
I see the potential with in this thread to advance understanding why concept like this are useful in open systems.

The concept of terminating a coax by adjusting the terminating resistance using a potentiometer. Keeping this simple
by using only a single frequency we can see the constant artifact on the scope and adjustment is made to restore
a distorted signal for a given impedance load. The concept of the cable length will have a fixed time constant.

So at a frequency of 13.6 Mhz, no coax, broadcast into an aluminum back plane we can appreciate that methods were shared.

Revisiting the time constant and potentiometer on a roll of wire with two conductors:  https://youtu.be/zrDxSM91Jcg

There are some simulations showing multiple frequencies. We can get a visual idea what they look like.
We can see the multiple signals have synchronous pattern, in one case the waves resembles something like a roller coaster.
page down look for subtitle play: 
Appendix A: What happens if the amplitudes are not equal?
Appendix B: What happens if the frequencies are not equal?

http://qr.ae/TUIFJy



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TinselKoala

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #663 on: July 24, 2018, 12:06:51 AM »
Transmission line model demonstration:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4T5KKQjz0s
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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #664 on: July 24, 2018, 02:48:38 AM »
Regarding self resonant frequency and the 3 coil system earlier I was incorrect
I need to make a correction here.

Sorry that should be Spatial Self Resonance
please refer to video for correct method

https://youtu.be/6FOq7-WsL5c
https://youtu.be/l9q_r5_jEP4
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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #665 on: July 24, 2018, 05:46:34 AM »
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 24, 2018, 12:06:51 AM
Transmission line model demonstration:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4T5KKQjz0s


Great video T.K.  You always explain things so well and make them easy to understand.  I heard from Croclaw via p.m to email and thought I would stop over here to see how everyone is.  Good to see some of the old group is still around although I believe I read that Pese had passed away.  I saw Chet is still here and I also think I saw that M.H. is moderated....yet again, ha ha.  Good to know some things never change.  I am glad to see he is still around also.  I saw Lidmotor as well.  Excellent to see everyone.


Bill
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aether22

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #666 on: July 24, 2018, 07:10:30 AM »
On the subject of old hands being back, I'm back for those who recall me...


So, I want to make an offer to everyone there who is or wants to be an active experimenter, who isn't impossibly closed minded...


I began studying this field in the early 90's, I tried looking for correlations in the claims of Free Energy and Antigravity, something that would make sense, but I found no correlations on a conventional level, but as I did this study I could not help but see a correlation I had actually been hostile to, the idea of an aether!  Alas, how do you know if there is an aether or how to effect it?
It took me 17 years before I figured out how to do that when I made a coil that issued a tangible energy, but once I could feel the energy I was away!


I found that MOST people could feel the energy from such a coil, but the energy could not be described by convention.


Anyway, it has been going on another 7 years of studying the aether, and I have learnt a LOT.
Because unpowered circuits are easier and cheaper and safer and the energy feels nicer, I have really not done experiments that con demo Free Energy.


And if I achieved Free Energy, I would not share it here!  It simply is not a lively enough forum anymore, and I would want to push it out fast to stop suppression.


But I am willing to show you guys the fruits of 24 years of travelling the road less traveled...
About 90% of people overall (age and profession seem to make some difference) can feel this energy.


I now have this technology to the point where it is easy to implement techniques I have discovered, and indeed you can spend about 5 minutes or less making some of this stuff, it does not take a big investment in time to see if you are sensitive, and you can use the techniques if you are sensitive or not, and aetheric principles do not need to interfere with the conventional, even if I was wrong or spouting nonsense, many/most of them are irrelevant at a conventional level.


So there is my offer, it would be great if they helps people experiment more successfully.

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seychelles

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #667 on: July 24, 2018, 08:39:39 AM »
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gyulasun

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #668 on: July 24, 2018, 10:12:01 AM »
Hi Itsu,

Okay, I understand, the higher current is needed for the two paralleled crystals of differing frequencies.

Thanks for your kind efforts!

Gyula
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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #669 on: July 24, 2018, 07:25:08 PM »
Quote from: gyulasun on July 24, 2018, 10:12:01 AM
Hi Itsu,

Okay, I understand, the higher current is needed for the two paralleled crystals of differing frequencies.

Thanks for your kind efforts!

Gyula
Hi I'm having trouble duplicating some of the claims oublished on this tread I first tried the 12mhz with the 15.6mhz
I plugged a 12mhz into an already running 15.6 it produced a thick ribbon sine wave, untill I removed power and switched back
on it then produced 12mhz  ;D

I then tried 3 of 15.6mhz devices all i got was 14.49mhz  ;D. any idea what i'm doing or not doing wrong ?

Re  the harmonic thing how does that work ?  if i supper impose wave forms on top of each other you will just get a mark space
ratio or a square wave of some type or one of the rails, any comments please ?

AG
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gyulasun

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #670 on: July 25, 2018, 12:21:57 AM »
Hi AG,

You may also need to vary the DC bias current for your transistor like Itsu did to have both crystals operate simultaneously.
And try to use other transistor types too, preferably with higher than 100 hFE. Also, try to vary the supply voltage. These are some 'rules'... you may know some other ones too.  As I wrote earlier: each oscillator has a 'soul'.   ;D

Superimposing waves, I can tell generally only: you can get twice the amplitude of two waves identical in amplitude, wavelength and phase.   

Try to play with these simulators below.  In the first one the wavelength of the 2nd wave is variable and see the sum of the red and blue waves:   http://physics.bu.edu/~duffy/HTML5/beats.html   
When you set 24 Hz for the blue wave, then it will be identical in phase and frequency to the red wave, so their sum becomes exactly twice all the way and harmonic-free, otherwise the nice sine wave gets distorted as you vary the blue wave frequency.
You can pause the process any time.
Here are some other simulations:
http://ophysics.com/w2.html          wave pulse interference and superposition
http://physics.bu.edu/~duffy/HTML5/interference.html         constructive and destructive interference
http://physics.bu.edu/~duffy/HTML5/interference_of_pulses.html       constructive and destructive pulse interference
http://physics.bu.edu/~duffy/HTML5/transverse_standing_wave.html       one wave goes to right the other to left, harmonics of the waves up to 6

I have not found an online wave simulator which would mimic the freak waves  i.e. letting vary the amplitude and the wavelength of 2 waves separately and let them collide. 

Gyula
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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #671 on: July 25, 2018, 04:58:20 AM »
Mikrovolt: Thanks for the links, this is how I would summarize SRF and srf.  When a test connection is made to both ends of a coil the Self Resonant Frequency (SRF)
can be found.  But when a test connection is made to only one end of a coil, like Dr. Stiffler demonstrates in the videos you posted, the so called Spatial Resonant
Frequency (srf) can be found.  Not sure why Dr. Stiffler does not mention a standing wave, as the FG frequency is swept a quarter standing wave resonance would be
found with the setup that he demonstrates for the open end coils in these videos.  Thus I conclude, srf = quarter standing wave resonance, see additional info below.

Gyula: Appreciate the technical support info you continue to post and thanks for the links to the wave simulators. Regarding your comment "Superimposing waves, I
can tell generally only: you can get twice the amplitude of two waves identical in amplitude, wavelength and phase.".  I'm sure you know but would just like
to add that a wave reflected from the open end of a transmission line like an L3 coil (or Tesla coil) would meet this criteria.  In this application, the ideal would be
to tune to quarter-wave resonance to achieve maximum voltage magnification at the open end by way of a standing wave (quarter-wave resonator).
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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #672 on: July 25, 2018, 02:36:22 PM »
Quote from: gyulasun on July 25, 2018, 12:21:57 AM
Hi AG,

You may also need to vary the DC bias current for your transistor like Itsu did to have both crystals operate simultaneously.
And try to use other transistor types too, preferably with higher than 100 hFE. Also, try to vary the supply voltage. These are some 'rules'... you may know some other ones too.  As I wrote earlier: each oscillator has a 'soul'.   ;D

Superimposing waves, I can tell generally only: you can get twice the amplitude of two waves identical in amplitude, wavelength and phase.   

Try to play with these simulators below.  In the first one the wavelength of the 2nd wave is variable and see the sum of the red and blue waves:   http://physics.bu.edu/~duffy/HTML5/beats.html   
When you set 24 Hz for the blue wave, then it will be identical in phase and frequency to the red wave, so their sum becomes exactly twice all the way and harmonic-free, otherwise the nice sine wave gets distorted as you vary the blue wave frequency.
You can pause the process any time.
Here are some other simulations:
http://ophysics.com/w2.html          wave pulse interference and superposition
http://physics.bu.edu/~duffy/HTML5/interference.html         constructive and destructive interference
http://physics.bu.edu/~duffy/HTML5/interference_of_pulses.html       constructive and destructive pulse interference
http://physics.bu.edu/~duffy/HTML5/transverse_standing_wave.html       one wave goes to right the other to left, harmonics of the waves up to 6

I have not found an online wave simulator which would mimic the freak waves  i.e. letting vary the amplitude and the wavelength of 2 waves separately and let them collide. 

Gyula
Gyula; Thanks for info i will try that out later on when i can dig out a decent transistor,  ;D
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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #673 on: July 25, 2018, 03:23:49 PM »
Frankly I'm surprised that those of you using breadboards are getting consistent results. At the operating frequencies, solderless breadboards can cause problems due to diode-junction joints, interpin capacitances, loose connections and etc.

You might try one or another construction method like "dead bug" or "manhattan" styles.
Here's mine, built on a ground-plane slab of PCB material, and using a 74AC14 for output buffering:
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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #674 on: July 25, 2018, 07:10:30 PM »
TK---Yes. It is amazing that those of us using breadboard setups for these RF circuits are getting such good results---unless the breadboard is actually part of the reason.  I did solder up an identical crystal oscillator circuit on a board and got the same results.  I was careful to keep the components in the same basic locations though.  Here is a 20 min. video I watched yesterday on the math involved with these tank circuits and all the sticky things you run into. This is all old news to many like you.  It is a lot come complicated than I thought.  Using a breadboard setup really stirs things up when one adds in the factors you mentioned.  Sometimes I solder up a quick 'dead bug' type setup on piece of cardboard to get away from it.  Just poke holes in the thin cardboard to hold the components and solder away.  Here is the 'back to school' video that helped me and might help others:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi24SpKYYoQ&feature=youtu.be

Gyula---I have really enjoyed the links you have posted.  Playing around with the wave forms on the simulators was fun but reminded me of sea conditions that make me seasick.  When the waves get together and 'stand up' like that my boat goes crazy and the motion is horrible.

erfandl---I built up your two paralleled crystal oscillators yesterday but did not get your results.  Both ran fine together or separately but the light output when joined was not double even though the amp draw went up.  I think that the waves are not joining up right to produce the double amplitude.  I will work on it some more today.

Cheers,
            Lidmotor
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