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Author Topic: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology  (Read 51743 times)

Online erfandl

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #225 on: June 16, 2018, 08:56:00 AM »
Skywatcher123 - first of all let me apologise for getting your name wrong in the video below...am new here  ???
I had a look at your multi-turn Primary idea and must say that it's a great idea !
36 turns of the same 30AWG as the main coil. But the main coil is split in half as another difference.
The DMM seems to have messed up though, it reports 19.5mA at 5V  8)
Half decent light out of the 8W DT bulb, the 12 diode ring similar to Dr. Stiffler's build runs really really well. The pseudo SFM works wirelessly and the wireless field is all over the table and to a good height above it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6uVwFaCDeg
Hi slider. is it modified version of tesla coil ?
thanks

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« Reply #226 on: June 16, 2018, 09:12:07 AM »
  Skywatcher----I tried a 40w equivalent led filament bulb today and had good success.  Thanks on the tip about how to take it apart by heating up the base.  I just used a hair dryer on high and used gloves to protect my hands from the heat and possible breakage.  The little circuit board was glued in the base. It worked on the Slayer Exciter I am using and would also work in parallel with a second 40w just like what you discovered.  Fun stuff.

Guyla-----Thanks for the info on the crystal oscillators.  I'm thinking that I will just use 5v USB power now to drive them.  The one that I have been working with the most is the 16MHZ.  For some reason it will stay running all the way down to about 2v and gives the best 'Exciter' effects.  My experiments with a voltage booster amp are continuing.  Mixed results so far.

Slider---- Nice experiment with the Slayer Exciter coils arrangement.  I remember Gary was initially doing something like that on the very first ones.  We were tuning them by moving the primary up and down the secondary. Later on he ended up with the pancake coil primary and stuck with that I think.
      I am going to try the Doc's 'Big Ring' AV plug when I get a chance.  Yours seems to work pretty good.

Cheers All,
                  Lidmotor


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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #227 on: June 16, 2018, 11:35:50 AM »
I testing with tesla coil and 12 watt LED light with 1n4148 diode connected in series


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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #227 on: June 16, 2018, 11:35:50 AM »
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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #228 on: June 16, 2018, 03:32:23 PM »
  Wow!  it's great to see all the "old guys" jumping in on this one...
  I've been following quite a bit - via youtube mostly.


  Mark writes:  "The DMM seems to have messed up though, it reports 19.5mA at 5V  [/font]"


That is amazing, probably quite accurate.  Would you pls see what happens when you remove some of the "satellite LEDs"?  I wonder if the power will drop much (or not).


  Also, Mark - could you pls measure the input power when you use a crystal oscillator as the driver?  wondering if it will be more or less than 100mW...?


Thanks for doing measurements!  Now if we could just also measure Pout... !!


PS - I've been doing some experiments on my bench too, but rather quickly burned out my little signal generator (sigh...).   I was lighting up an LED bulb quite nicely, when it blew...

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Back come the 'Old Guys' --one by one
« Reply #229 on: June 16, 2018, 07:25:50 PM »
Dr. Jones----I agree with you that it is great seeing some of the 'old guys' resurface for this project.  Whether they agree or disagree with what is really happening it is good to hear from them again.  Sorry to hear about your signal generator failure.

erfanell ---- Glad to see you using one of those 'Musical Mini Tesla Coil' Slayer Exciters for this project.  I just did an experiment with mine this morning driving a 'filament led' like what Skywatcher123 did.  Those little under $10 'Mini Tesals' devices work really good for this project. This where I got my mini tesla coil kit for $5.49 shipping included: 
https://www.newfrog.com/product/mini-music-tesla-coil-plasma-speaker-electronic-field-15w-diy-project-kit-203125

All---This is what I did with it this morning:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojRZdeAEcdw

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #230 on: June 16, 2018, 07:44:59 PM »
Lidmotor - nice ! cool little extra tip there with the foil on the outside of the bulb.

Skywatcher123 - the very thing of using the same gauge was a bit of learning that I didn't
know would work. It does simplify building in a way.

Steve - Good point about the crystal method....will do :)
As mentioned in the Youtube comments, there is a very strange effect with these. The
input power drops with more capacitively coupled loads. Each item remains at the same
level it was at, until a next load is added and then they all drop in output.  Pin can also begin to vary.
Inductive loads don't follow that, they use up most of everything available on small setups.
A small motor can spin well, but will pull the energy down with it.
A receiving coil can have a single diode from 1 wire end, the other goes directly to the
motor and then a 10uF electrolytic across the motor is one way to run it. That always tends
to work better than a FWBR and cap, which again is a bit strange.   


The secondary is from a few years back, where I was making an outdoor Wardenclyffe type
of design and the idea was to emulate the thinner connecting part shown in one Patent.
A regular tower on PVC pipe would likely work just the same way, but I like these 2 for
being on solder tubes, similar to Dr. Stiffler's L3's in size and shape. With only 150 turns
per section, it does make me wonder if actual L3's from a SEC would work as the secondary.   
Am going to try the posted idea of a tuning cap between the 2 halves, perhaps a variable cap.

News: fellow experimenter and Youtube subscriber iQuest has very generously funded the
acquisition of a genuine fully built SEC 18-1 from Dr. Stiffler.
I do hope that a few others have shown interest in helping him to get the current probe
equipment replaced....even if we're struggling to exactly repeat the experiments shown,
some great little devices have sprung up and, as Lidmotor and Prof Jones have said, the
'old guys' here are a joy to post with.

Some of the table stuff is outside now, where am looking at ground propagation again.
I fail abysmally outdoors but have good success indoors. It hasn't rained in a while though,
so the garden hose may have to be used.




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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #231 on: June 16, 2018, 10:47:02 PM »
Hi all, Hi lidmotor, thanks for sharing the nice video, i will look for those led bulbs at lowes.

A tip, i connected the bulbs wires to the screw in base and hot glued the base onto the glass bulb and I use those plastic or ceramic screw in bulb bases or even the small plastic ones with an ac male receptacle on one end.
It seems like the filament bulb is giving you more light. 8)
peace love light :)

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #232 on: June 16, 2018, 11:52:05 PM »
 another place where the effort to measure is being investigated
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3628.msg68362;topicseen#msg68362

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #233 on: June 17, 2018, 12:51:34 AM »
Steve - in answer to your question about current usage of the 2 pin crystal circuit -
Through a 1 ohm resistor, it's 3.6mA at 5V with the setup as pictured below.


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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #234 on: June 17, 2018, 05:06:29 AM »
Hi all, if posting these spin off ideas are not wanted in this thread, someone let me know, then i will start another thread, as I'm finding this one wire exciter device to be very interesting.
So i tried 80 turns of 30awg. as primary and was not very impressed, at least with the one wire - av plug results at around 11.6 volt range input.
Then i was thinking and decided to weigh each primary air coil.
The 80 turn - 30 awg. weighs 4 grams.
The 40 turn - 24awg. weighs 7 grams.
The 80 turn - 24awg. weighs 15 grams.
The higher mass primary air coil is more efficient, this test and pictures used the 80 turn 24awg. primary coil.
Was able to light 1 of the led bulbs to about the same brightness as the previous test at .55 watts input, though only using 134 milliwatts at 11.5 milliamps at 11.67 volts.
Seems interesting.
peace love light :)

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #235 on: June 17, 2018, 08:57:22 AM »
the wifi signal like SEC. I testing it 2 years ago

see attached videos

also the topic: https://overunity.com/17607/germanium-diode-powered-led-from-wifi-waves/


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Another led array to try with the Stiffler Loop
« Reply #236 on: June 17, 2018, 06:47:54 PM »
I found another led array that worked on a Slayer Exciter and should be a good substitute for Dr. Stiffler's Cree led array that he is using 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0NWPXXBooY
 
Skywatcher--- I think that there is enough of a interface between the Stiffler Loop and this Slayer Exciter spin off to keep all of it on this thread.   The signal generator / scope testing should have a comparison to see if the same results can be obtained another way and how much power is required to do that.  Driving an led with a certain frequency, a voltage, and with little or NO amperage --  is the question at hand.

erfandl---What you just showed us (driving an led with a WiFi signal) is perhaps another spinoff we should look at again with these new leds.

---Lidmotor

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #237 on: June 17, 2018, 07:34:49 PM »
I agree with the spin-offs.
After all, everyone here is interested in the most light for the buck...literally at dollar stores :)
The techniques for driving them that have been shown by Dr. Stiffler are crossing over to
other setups, so it's all valid in my opinion.

The WiFi setup needs exploration for harvesting.
The near field evidently works, they were great videos.
Can we tune in to WiFi at such high frequencies at a distance, without specialist equipment ?

I took apart a Lowe's bought 9W 60W equiv LED bulb, made by Utilitech.
It has a MOSFET and spaces for resistors on it.
Am going to try and bypass the circuit bits and see about driving it from the back plate.

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« Reply #238 on: June 17, 2018, 08:13:58 PM »
with 5.8 GHz wifi the circuit cant running only works on 2.4 GHz wifi. I think if we design an hi efficiency antenna and connecting to diodes, we getting more distance to work. for now with AA119 germanium diode working from 20cm

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #239 on: June 17, 2018, 11:57:24 PM »
...
So i tried 80 turns of 30awg. as primary and was not very impressed, at least with the one wire
- av plug results at around 11.6 volt range input.Then i was thinking and decided to weigh each primary air coil.
The 80 turn - 30 awg. weighs 4 grams.
The 40 turn - 24awg. weighs 7 grams.
The 80 turn - 24awg. weighs 15 grams.
The higher mass primary air coil is more efficient, this test and pictures used the 80 turn 24awg. primary coil.
Was able to light 1 of the led bulbs to about the same brightness as the previous test at .55 watts input,
though only using 134 milliwatts at 11.5 milliamps at 11.67 volts.Seems interesting.
peace love light :)
Hi SkyWatcher,

Some calculations I attempted show that your higher mass primary air coil (80 turns, 24 awg, 15 gram) has about
0.69 Ohm wire resistance while the lower mass coil (80 turn, 30 awg, 4 gram) has about 2.98 Ohm DC resistance.

Because the 11.5 mA collector current flows through the primary coil, the heat loss is 0.01152 * 0.69 = 91.2 mW
in the awg 24 wire and if you substract this from the total 134 mW input, it comes that only 134-91 = 43 mW is
what makes the magnetic field for the primary coil: this sounds very bad (I neglected the loss in the transistor
coming from its collector-emitter saturation voltage).
You can check with the DMM Ohm meter the primary DC resistance, maybe I miscalculated it? 

Thanks,
Gyula

 

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