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Author Topic: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology  (Read 180912 times)

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #780 on: August 08, 2018, 12:40:07 AM »
Hi Folks,

I am happy for your enthusiasm over ring modulators and indeed the 4 diodes involved in a ring modulator are in a series loop but normally two input frequencies are needed for a ring modulator (or ring mixer), no?

As I see from Lidmotor's video, he now uses 4 diodes to drive the LEDs and the middle point of the two-two diodes is connected to the plate of a capacitor, the other plate of the capacitor is driven from the L3 coil. 
This means the driving method is via capacitive coupling like was several times already in the case of using more than 4 diodes.
So here there is but one input frequency to the 4 diode 'ring' like earlier: why the ring modulator concept is mentioned? would like to understand.
For me a ring modulator has always meant mixing, manipulating two frequencies to get at least a new one (but in practice we get many new frequencies).
I am not against you: just wish to understand why you tend to endorse the Stiffle loop is a ring modulator. 

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #781 on: August 08, 2018, 01:25:35 AM »
I recall a video showing probe in background PSEC running led board, looks like over-modulation.
Is it the probe, the background or both ?

https://youtu.be/pff8hqqCbWs
« Last Edit: August 08, 2018, 06:33:09 AM by mikrovolt »

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #782 on: August 08, 2018, 05:59:08 AM »
All--I'm not sure now that a 'Ring Modulator' is like the 'Stiffler Loop'.  The Ring Modulator (like Gyula mentioned) is all about mixing two input signals.  We are dealing with just one here.  It was perhaps a trip down a rabbit hole. That was an interesting idea but maybe a waste of time to pursue that explanation.

Slider----Yep.  If Doc lights up an LED panel stuck in the ground more than about 6 inches away from the SEC----- I will be surprised also.

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #783 on: August 08, 2018, 03:13:09 PM »
Nick,  okay on the as high as even 100V from the crystal oscillator but let me ask: what DC voltage amplitude would be needed for your LEDs to get what you consider already as full brightness, did you check it too?  Your 10 LEDs in series may need say 31 - 33 V DC to operate with full brightness from a DC supply I would think and then the current draw would be say around 15-20 mA ? (If you check this, make sure to use a few kOhm resistor in series with the LEDs to protect them from extra current draw.)

Now I assume that when you use an L3 coil that creates the near field (rather than the choke coil in the collector), then you make sure that the L3 coil should be spot on the crystal frequency, otherwise the use of L3 has not much advantage. You surely know that anything near to L3 may detune it. And if you use a ferrite piece to fine tune L3 then the core material should have low loss at the crystal frequency. RF powder iron toroids could be used if you slip them close next to each other onto a piece of plastic or wooden rod. Such RF toroids I mean:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/282774499025  and data sheet http://toroids.info/T50-6.php
Of course these cores when you push them into an L3 coil, then L3 in itself should have already a higher resonant frequency than the crystal frequency so that the cores could reduce the original coil frequency. Also, when any so called 'top load' is connected to the floating free end of L3, it also reduces coil frequency, so the use of the cores should be considered accordingly, may be some turns should be removed. Sorry if you know all these fine tuning details though, and your thought on the match between the oscillator and L3 coil is correct.

The energy to light the LEDs should come from the RF field the L3 coil produces from the oscillator. Unfortunately, this is a lossy conversion process: one is the DC input to the oscillator (oscillator conversion efficiency), the other is (radiation efficiency of L3) the field of coil L3 is all over in its vicinity in quasi every direction in the near space i.e. the field is not concentrated solely for the LED boards and / or LED wires, it is spread over in quasi every direction, the strongest field being around the top end of the coil where the voltage maximum should be.

 Itsu, Many thanks for checking the two loop currents, that is how I thought.

Gyula


   Gyula:  thanks for the suggestions.   I had blown the previous 400v transistor, so I'm using the MPSA42 at this time, which is a smaller version package but still with 300v capacity.   The 221 choke has been removed to your suggestion, and right now I am not using any choke or resistor on the collector.    The near field is now about one or two inches away from the L3 coil. However, when I let the oscillator run all night (as a night light), in the morning the near field effect has dropped. Not sure why, yet, and so has the bulb intensity. But, the voltage at the leds is still only 2.5v. And not ever any higher, no matter what I do. This low voltage is still the bottle neck in my circuit.   I have been trying different transistors, resistors, chokes, capacitors, etz... but still the low LED light levels remains, probably at about 1/4 normal lumin levels for my 10 led bulbs. That bulb fully turns on a 4v, but not at 2.5v. It's a flashlight bulb, meant for 4v input.
   I will try the same bulb on my HV kacher circuit, 4000v to 5000v, and see if it will light to full on, or not.    If this 2.5v limit is not breached, it will affect the output that we can obtain. Especially if the 2.5v, is all we are going to be able to get at the output using the Stiffler set up. As this led biasing idea, limits the output.   I agree that if the L3 is not tuned spot on, the effect will be less than if the L3 coil was not even present. However, this is not so easy to achieve, without the proper signal generator.  So, I guess it's adding or removing turns on the L3 to see any improvements. That is why some of us will need to know the exact turn count, size of mag wire, etz... to be spot on 13.5MHz. And every L3 that I've seen is different.  So... will the real L3,  please stand up...
   Any ideas are welcome. 

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #784 on: August 08, 2018, 04:53:09 PM »
Hi Nick,

Sorry what I wrote was misunderstandable, unfortunately. I did not mean to replace the choke coil in the collector with the L3.
I was thinking on the field the choke creates is smaller than that of L3 (due to mainly the physical sizes) but to fully utilize the high near field of L3 it must be tuned correctly to the crystal frequency.
So please use the choke in the collector and drive the L3 from the common point of the collector and the choke via a single wire or via a series 10 or 22 or 47 nF capacitor to block DC (nF value is not critical). Now that the Doc showed in his latest video the use of 2 L3 coils: you can also use two such coils in series because they can enhance the resonant RF amplitude further on.
Please tell:

the 2.5 V voltage limit you mention is meant for across the flashlight bulb (and not across the series 10 LEDs)?  This flashlight bulb is what type? a single white LED? Else?

Regarding your finding the brightness dropped overnight: have you tried to carefully check L3 whether by fine tuning it with a piece of ferrite the brightness can be regained to its earlier intensity? Because if the oscillator input power did not change (DC voltage and current), then the next most sensitive component is L3.  Change in ambient temperature and / or in humidity level may easily influence its resonance.

I am afraid that there is not an easy way to bring L3 to resonance: only as you wrote by adding or removing the turns. Under the 3-4 MHz crystals the ferrite from the AM pocket radio is good for tuning L3 if the latter has a higher self resonance than 3-4 MHz. For crystals above 4-5 MHz and up to 13-14 MHz the powder iron material is preferable I mentioned above, they have less loss at these higher frequencies than the ferrite from the AM radio. Of course temporarily, you can use the latter too because it will help you for sure.

Gyula

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #785 on: August 08, 2018, 08:04:54 PM »
   Gyula:
   No I didn't misunderstand you. I just tested the circuit without any resistor or choke on the collector, that's all.   As I'm using different transistors, I have to invent the right value base and collector resistor. Not so easy to do.   The bigger high voltage 400V transistor that I was using previously got blown when trying to double up on the crystals. It worked on up to only 4MHz, any higher and it would not oscillate. But, it worked with absolutely no heating, even with my boost converter at 50v.    The led bulb in the picture is a four volt flashlight bulb which runs on four volts and not hundred and twenty volts

      I also blew the main chip on my boost converter, when I reversed the input polarity which has no reverse protection
   
    So I've been having loTs of fun< blowing things up

   Here is a pic of what I have set up now

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #786 on: August 08, 2018, 08:52:32 PM »
Nick,
Okay,  but sorry to hear about your blown converter chip, and the HV transistor. 
Thanks for the picture.  If you care to comment some of my earlier questions, then it may be beneficial for you.  8)
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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #787 on: August 09, 2018, 12:32:51 AM »
All,  I am posting this here with Partzman's permission these are simple tests with very sensitive equipment , testing is ongoing and he is working to develop a test protocol which can allow more community participation .
tests are encouraging but still much scrutiny to come.
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 I'm focused on the potential ability of a so-called single wire device to produce OU.

Here is a variation of the Stiffler/Avramenko device as seen in the schematic below.  The open wire connected to D3 and D4 is 61cm in length and hangs off the edge of the bench.  The length of this wire is critical to obtaining a COP>1 along with the operating frequency and component layout.  Diodes D1-D4 form a bridge from the input to space that allows the charging of C1.  The measurements are relatively straight forward as there is no bias, etc.

I've included a spreadsheet that gives the COPs for sweep periods from 10ms -70ms in 10ms steps.  For those not able to read Excel, the max COP =1.173 at 10ms and the min is .991 at 70ms but doesn't vary linearly.

The two scope pix show the sampled input wattage and the output voltage across C1 measurement profiles at 40ms.  Prior to any measurement cycle, C1 is fully discharged and the current probe is zeroed.

I've also included a pix of the layout.

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Pm
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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #788 on: August 09, 2018, 12:36:00 AM »
Post number 2
Partzman....quote......
 All the previous test were made using a sine wave from a signal generator.  This test uses an Ixys IXDD609P1 mosfet driver operating at 25vdc supplying a ground referenced square wave to L1.  The only other change is the operating frequency used was 2.37MHz.

The following is taken from the spreadsheet for this test and I hope the formatting holds.

Sweep Period (ms)   Input Power (mW)   Input Energy (uJ)    C1 Voltage   Output Energy (uJ)      COP
               
20                                    2.368               4.74E-05                 10.01           1.97E-04             4.17
30                                    5.4                       1.62E-04                 14.84             4.34E-04             2.68
40                                    9.066               3.63E-04                 19.25             7.30E-04             2.01
50                                  12.51               6.26E-04                 22.93             1.04E-03             1.66
60                                  15.88               9.53E-04                 27.31             1.47E-03             1.54
70                                  19.00               1.33E-03                 30.92             1.88E-03             1.42
80                                  21.81               1.74E-03                 33.71             2.24E-03             1.28
90                                  24.16               2.17E-03                 36.2             2.58E-03             1.19
100                                  26.31               2.63E-03                 38.03             2.85E-03             1.08

The scope pix shows a 50k expanded 2us period of a measurement cycle so one can see the resolution is reasonably accurate at 100M samples/second on the horizontal sweep.

It appears that this device shows promise using square wave drive which is far easier to implement compared to sine wave IMO.

Regards,
Pm

Edit: I see the formatting is messed up so I've attached the spreadsheet.  ------------------------

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #789 on: August 09, 2018, 04:40:49 PM »
The latest video has piqued interest:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66KTJGlbKmM

Dr. Stiffler is using a 12V SLA, a SEC circuit, a couple of L3's, a 100ohm resistor, the diode loop and the Cree board.

What I like is the description underneath:

Outdoors through the earth...exactly what many have been stuck on, including myself most frustratingly for years.

got my stuff ready for the next step:

When using my FG to drive this setup, it peaks around 9mHz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBLQocNYkP4

Itsu

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« Reply #790 on: August 09, 2018, 07:07:38 PM »
Itsu - Great news there and just waiting for the Doc to roll out whatever it is. I really do hope he has done all this before and it does work, so many questions would be answered. Matched TX's and RX's, abilities to tune, a battery source...if anything ever looked likely to emulate Tesla's experiments it would be Dr. Stiffler's work.

Gyula - my thinking for the Ring Modulator is that there could be 2 frequencies, the injected and the ambient mains. Some strange results can occur when a receiver with a Stiffler loop or even AV plug is near a mains cord, to a distance of 2ft away from it. Nothing needs to be connected to that cord on the other end, reception distance of wireless energy is dramatically increased on the same plane as the mains cord. But also, the FM type effects possible in situations like driving the Base of a Slayer exciter transistor with music from an MP3 player show non destructive frequency interactions. Plasma can be modulated to produce a speaker, without destroying the operation of the output. Radio uses 2 frequencies, is obviously highly effective at especially ShortWave for distances and hence was the mental link, correct or eroneous  :)
 
Partzman - that is stellar work and the positive OU's should be a focus. Perhaps it ties in to the new Stiffler direction, being that injection into the ground would be a logical method for the circuit output. In essence, a single wire, using the ground as the carrier wire.
 
All - However, i'm hoping he doesn't go off to a wide open field in the middle of nowhere land. The reason being that Stubblefield's telephone worked fine in the fields of Kentucky, but failed at his demo in New York. Own experiments work for several feet indoors through soil collected from outside, but don't work outdoors. A single wire amplified music signal can work to a couple of feet and yet a friend in Australia performed the same thing on a beach and attained 40 meters....I believe it would have attained similar distances if he'd measured in feet  8)
From what I know of Wardenclyffe tower, the reason for having to grab a hold of the earth and particularly to reach the water table on Long Island would be based on future proofing the system, as well as making it more effective around 1903. In 1900, Long Island was basically fields and nothingness, Shoreham wasn't incorporated until 1906..3 years after Marconi won the race for radio signals to cross the Atlantic.Tesla's location made sense, but ironically, the very success of his AC distribution systems would have gone on to limit the effectiveness of a system that had its grounding near the surface. Wires would have linked the houses and businesses for power, introducing a potentially serious problem for the tower operation. 
This is a quite fascinating interactive map of photo's, for how Shoreham looked by 1917, the year that the tower was pulled down. Wide open fields, lots of space, but the housing and infrastructure are now beginning to take place.
http://www.villageofshoreham.org/Shoreham_History/Interact_Map_Views/Interact_Map_views_40.htm
So, what Dr. Stiffler does with his ground and where the location will be is of major interest.

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« Reply #791 on: August 09, 2018, 09:41:42 PM »
All--- We are on the right track here but we may be reinventing the wheel.  I looked up this topic on Wikipedia and it goes into all the different methods used ---for wireless transmission of energy.  What Doc is about to do (I think) was done by an MIT team back in 2007.  They used an earth ground return path for the experiment and achieved 40% efficiency at 6.6 ft.  The frequency was 10MHz.  You will have to hunt for the description but it something Tesla was also working on long ago.  In 2008 a group called 'Nevada Lighting Company' did a similar experiment and increased the distance to 47ft using 60kHz.  They used the method 'resonant inductive coupling'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_power_transfer

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« Reply #793 on: August 09, 2018, 10:13:40 PM »
Hi Itsu,

I wonder why your setup peaks around 9 MHz when driven from the FG instead of the 13.5MHz the oscillator provides, the difference sounds too high at first.

Could it be due to the oscillator output being a high impedance source while the FG has the usual 50 Ohm low impedance output and the "shunting" effect of the latter via the overall stray capacitances of the 'enviroment'  (the lattice as the Doc would put it) can have such a high detuning behaviour? Well, maybe this is the case.
I assume that none of two L3 coils can be tuned individually by a small piece of ferrite rod to increase brightness any further, once the oscillator tank capacitor is set to the maximum light: this would insure the two L3 is in resonance around 13.5 MHz.
In case the coils would need tuning towards a little higher frequency, then try to use a piece of Alu or copper rod (say with a few mm OD and 10-15 mm long) because they will have the effect of increasing coil resonant frequency (versus the normal decreasing effect of a ferromagnetic core).
And if this same could be found for the case when the FG drives the two L3 coils, then my assumption would be correct, otherwise not.

Notice in the Doc's latest video the two L3 coils are placed far enough from each other length wise, your coils have parallel axis, this gives higher chance for mutual coupling than that the Doc's coils position. I mean there is a higher 'built-in detuning' possibility in your arrangement for the two coils (but this may not be a drawback).

Thanks for the video.

Gyula

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« Reply #794 on: August 09, 2018, 10:17:42 PM »
Hi Slider,

Well, it is possible that the mains 50 or 60 Hz stray field 'sneaks' into the diode loop circuit with a certain amplitude, such stray field is certainly  present where ever a room or lab has mains wiring all around and in the walls. In this respect this frequency component has always been present in many of the tests the members have kindly showed in this thread so far and must have been so with the Doc's tests too. Yet, you all have found nothing special so far with the LED loop tests, as I am aware of and I believe that in this respect this would come from the negligible influence this mains leakage input may cause.

You mention some examples like FM type effects or plasma can be modulated to produce a speaker etc: these are okay to behave like that because they also work as mixers and you need to feed in a certain amplitude to manifest those effects. If you were to inject a few volts from a step down mains transformer to the diode loop via say some uF series capacitor, then it might already show some effect (say in the brightness) never seen in such diode loops if we may start speculating.
Thinking of a ring modulator as a mixer (because it is), the main two components of the mixing is the sum and difference of the two 'input' frequencies i.e. say the 13.56 MHz crystal and say the 60 Hz from the mains. So the sum and the difference is so close to the crystal frequency that the original 13.56 MHz component "rules" amplitude wise: the sum or difference frequency components do not or cannot have usefully higher amplitudes because the input stray field from the mains is very weak in itself (unless you deliberately feed in a few volts as I mentioned above).

Anyway, this is how I see this. If someone could ask dr Stiffler's opinion on this ring modulator explanation or operation in his setup, that would be at least one more opinion to chew on...   8)

Gyula

 

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