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Author Topic: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology  (Read 130347 times)

Offline Lidmotor

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #720 on: July 29, 2018, 07:26:01 PM »
Itsu---That is an excellent replication and video showing what is happening in the 'Loop'.  Everyone working on this project should watch it.  You have all the proper equipment to test what we are looking at.  I really liked seeing the current in the Loop.  At 13mA it confirms what I saw yesterday that it isn't huge but it is there.  Many thanks for taking the time to do these experiments.  For those of us without proper measurement equipment you fill in many blanks with an honest evaluation of a true replication.

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #721 on: July 29, 2018, 07:47:06 PM »
Hi Itsu,

Yes, it makes sense that the length of the cliplead has a role how much power is coupled capacitively into the diode loop. Your 6.5 MHz test frequency needs longer length for it (and maybe your L3 coil also has longer wire in it than the ones the Doc or Lidmotor used at 11-13 MHz).  At least your coil size judged by the look of (with my eyes) suggests this to me, I may be wrong. 
It is also possible that the longer cliplead (needed for coupling higher energy towards the diode loop) simply reduces the quarter wave resonant frequency of the coil from the 11-12 Mhz range to 6.5 MHz,  acting like a 'capacitive hat' load, just like for a Tesla coil.
The 15 diodes in the loop eat up about 15 x 0.6V= 9V and this loss could be reduced by better diodes. Say a low barrier Schottky type has only 0.25 V drop in the 10-20 mA forward current range, then the voltage loss would be only around 3.7 V. This would mean that for the diode loop inside, an 'extra' voltage of 9V-3.7V=5.3V would be available for driving higher loop current for the LEDs, this would surely increase brightness,  (hopefully not at the expense of an increased load on the L3 coil).
Thanks for the excellent and informative video !

Gyula

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #722 on: July 29, 2018, 09:16:48 PM »

Thanks Lidmotor and Gyula,


the coil i was using was one of the 3 L3 coils i made last week for the 3 coil setup, so they should be exactly the same as the ones Dr. Stiffler is using (same inductance).

They resonate around 13.6Mhz using the earlier circuits loaded with a led strip.

Now with the long antenna-like top load it dropped to about 6.5MHz (using a shorter cliplead its about 9MHz)

I have enough BAT42, 46 or 48 diodes i could use, but the forward voltage drop is around 400mV for them in the 10-20mA range, so i don't think it will improve much (3V total).


Anyway, looking at Dr Stifflers latest video (thanks Nick) of today he was not using any antenna, just the L3 coil laying next to the diode ring.

I did not expect it would work in my situation, but it did!
Raising the frequency to 20Mhz there was the new resonance point (my FG drops its amplitude to 10Vpp above 20Mhz, so i stayed at 20MHz).

Current in the ring dropped to about 2.5mA rms, voltage across the cap still 31V.

Video here:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmikYG3j0FA


By the way, i also used the shorted turn with 1 diode around the diode loop, and indeed the leds go out, but after some retuning (to 18.4Mhz) the leds
came on again, no matter what direction i put the loop.
So this shorted turn with 1 diode does not kill the resonance, it just loads the L3 coil more i guess.

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #722 on: July 29, 2018, 09:16:48 PM »
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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #723 on: July 29, 2018, 09:48:10 PM »
Perhaps even more important than Vf is the switching time or reverse recovery time of the diode. The faster the diode the higher the operating frequency it can sustain, this is obvious, but what may be less obvious is that faster diodes will "capture" more of the peak of a waveform of even a lower frequency, thus resulting in a higher capacitor charge voltage. This is because the diode shuts off faster so doesn't allow as much reverse leakage out of the capacitor.

Another thing to try is to use a few LEDs in the loop instead of diodes all around. Use, say, three LEDs in series (to approximate the same total Vf of the full diode ring) and complete the ring with a simple wire, the same total length as the 1-LED, diodes all around, loop. A tiny little trimmer cap across the LEDs may help.

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #724 on: July 29, 2018, 10:01:48 PM »
Hi Itsu,

Okay, and thanks for the comments. Regarding the diodes you have, you do not need to rebuild the diode loop with the Schottky types,  you could fasten them in parallel with each 1N4148 by using say plastic paper clips. If there is no plastic clip then a small sized steel paper clip may also be used to fasten the diode legs together. The BAT42 type has a forward voltage range between 260 mV and 330 mV at 2 mA current as per its data sheet and your loop current is around 2.5 mA now.  This is just a suggestion for a later time, to see the effects of lower losses in the loop diodes on the LED current hence brightness.

In the meantime the Doc has produced yet another video... :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvuYtpMBywE

PS: TinselKoala posted an interesting and good suggestion on the switching time of the diodes while I was typing this post, so consider that too of course.  The Doc mentioned time delay caused by the diodes in the loop.

Gyula

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #725 on: July 29, 2018, 10:35:24 PM »

Thanks for the suggestions guys,

the switching time of a 1N4148 and a BAT42 does not differ much (5ns), so need to find a faster diode for
to have any measurable difference i guess.


I did a quick time measurement of the current signal at both sides of the led entry, they differ 24.8ns.
So that implies that each diode add a time delay of 24.8 / 15 = 1.7ns, but this time delay does not build
up gradually, instead it kind of "jumps" from 0ns to 24.8ns after where the the L3 coil is positioned at the diode loop.

Itsu

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #726 on: July 29, 2018, 10:48:18 PM »
All-- I am starting to think that the cat is out of the bag now about how this 'Loop' works.  It is the time delay caused by the diodes turning on in sequence around the ring just as Doc stated.  I did a quick video of the Loop driving one of my electronic pulse motors.  Notice that I just have an alligator clip on the end of the L3 coil as sort of a top load.  The Loop driver is my crystal oscillator circuit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R16EDjoNec

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #727 on: July 30, 2018, 12:57:55 AM »
Hi Lidmotor,

Would like ask why the two diodes as AV plug diodes are needed to use for the motor?
I mean you have 7 diodes in the diode loop and you added two extra ones to it to charge up the puffer capacitor.
Why not use the puffer capacitor directly across the output of the 7 diodes (where the LEDs were also hooked up) and if the load of the motor pulls down the DC level of the capacitor to a lower voltage than the LEDs forward voltages summed up, then they (the LEDs) would not be present as any load in the circuit.  If they were dimly lit, then simply disconnect one of the LED wires to let all the diode loop energy feed the motor.
It is okay though that the diode loop is extended from a 7 diode loop to a 9 diode loop as you show but earlier you used 7 diodes. Or using 9 diodes in the loop makes the motor run better?  Just pondering... 

Thanks for showing the operation from the xtal oscillator. 

Gyula
 

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #728 on: July 30, 2018, 04:09:52 AM »
Gyula---You are right that the extra two diodes are not needed on this setup. Just a straight 2 wire connection to the LED panel is all that is needed.  I was trying out using an AV plug arrangement earlier tapping into either side of the LED array with the joined end of the AV plug. Both sided worked and the light stayed on. When I got ready to do this video I simply put the diodes to both side.  It really wasn't an AV plug anymore and I should have done it differently.  Good catch.  The LED panel does light up when the motor is disconnected.   

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #728 on: July 30, 2018, 04:09:52 AM »
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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #729 on: July 30, 2018, 07:36:27 AM »
Have anybody noticed the similarities between what Eric Dollard talks about in his "Condensed intro to Tesla Transformers " book, and also the crystal radio initiative?

Here is a video where he is talking about the Crystal radio Initiative.
https://youtu.be/-L5axzXnpf4
The whole video is interesting.

In the book he gives some wierd instructions to tune a Tesla Transformer, that is pretty similar to what Stiffler is talking about with his "Spatial resonant frequency ".

Also there are a bunch of other stuff too that rings some Bells.

Ps. I have given up hope a long time ago on achieve OU, this is purely just very interesting stuff to me.


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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #730 on: July 30, 2018, 05:16:45 PM »
All - back to posting. We've had some interesting times here the past few days. Including, I passed my Citizenship test in Oklahoma City  ;D
Just got the hand raised stuff to do now and i'll be American.

My diode ring is far smaller than the others shown, but they are salvaged 1N4148's from junker boards. It now makes sense to increase the frequency because of that diameter difference. Another dozen or so will be desoldered, short pieces of wire will then be soldered to each to make a bigger ring....just to see what happens, but i'll also be on the same page.


antimony - that's exactly my thinking. There are 4x 6ft pipes in a square arrangement under the backyard still, from that crystal radio initiative.
What i'm wondering is, if we are already into the MHz, can we get circuits to run at uA and get crystal radio type circuits to perpetually run ?
Tune to a local FM station and there we go, path lights or other uses.
Using the Doc's cap method and a zener perhaps, a circuit may flash a light for better output.
Not OU, but certainly using free wireless energy at great distances. It's in the air anyway, all the time.   

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #731 on: July 30, 2018, 06:46:00 PM »
Instead I went sideways...the idea being to see if some unknown diodes would work at all on another ring. The type shown kept cropping up on junker boards, no doubt i've salvaged most of the 1N4148's already.
These are half the length of 1N4148's, but otherwise of similar lead diameter and body diameter. No idea of the type. The colours in the pic below are correct. Forward voltage is 0.55V

A heatsink is sat on the end of the L3, rather than a cliplead (still with Pentium 4 stuck on top).
Driver would be the SEC-18 for the simple test.
A ring was made using 6 LED's and just 6 diodes. It was quite poor, only slightly lighting right next to the PC heatsnk.
Adding 9 more, for 15 produced much better results.
Although it only has 6 LED's rather than 12, it is positioned further away from the metal block in the pic below....they're certainly an alternative diode, whatever they are.


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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #732 on: July 30, 2018, 07:11:29 PM »
All - back to posting. We've had some interesting times here the past few days. Including, I passed my Citizenship test in Oklahoma City  ;D
Just got the hand raised stuff to do now and i'll be American.

Well, congratulations :D I know it's not all as perfect as all our past presidents usually touted, but its a pretty good place, despite all its flaws, especially societal attitudes lately, but like everywhere else in the world, the media does exaggerate and twist things to seem more interesting and disguise bias, but I do so love it here, I truly do so miss my Sicily, but would not give this place up for nothing :)

May You and Your Familia Live Long and Happy Friend !!!

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #733 on: July 30, 2018, 07:38:11 PM »
Here is my 4x circuit parallel test. The light output is now compared to real 7 watt LED !

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #734 on: July 31, 2018, 01:00:13 AM »
Thanks Mr. Hewitt :)


erfandl - I wonder how these are in sync with each other. Are they in sync, or overlaying at the same frequency ?
I probably missed it, but is the input wattage comparable/better than stock connections  ?
It's a very neat idea !

 

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