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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #690 on: July 28, 2018, 01:50:45 AM »
Hi Lidmotor,

I think if you use the same air core coil in a Slayer exciter as the oscillator coil you could also make this interesting setup work, that would be your function generator. Just make a 4-10 turn winding to one of the ends of that coil, that would be the coupling coil connected into the collector of the oscillator transistor. The free top end of the air core coil would have the cliplead. The frequency would remain near to 11 MHz: the oscillator would operate anyway at the air core coil's quarter wave resonance automatically. This way the DC input power could be accessed too.

It is interesting you think the 1N4148 diodes work as switches. Well, you said it is a giant AV plug and I agree with this latter, and the capacitively coupled current in the diodes loop can only go in one direction indeed. It is okay that the capacitive coupling is very low, must have a low value, even 1-2 pF or maybe less from the cliplead wire but the RF nearfield is surely so high (standing wave at the open end of the coil and alongside the cliplead) that all the diodes are able to conduct in one direction.  Notice the diodes forward voltages accumulate: 7 times 0.65V + 6 times the LEDs forward voltages, conduction in the loop can only result when the coupled RF voltage amplitudes are higher than the sum of these. 

The direction of the current is known: the positive input of the LED board should receive a positive voltage with respect to its negative input so it is the cathode of an 1N4148 (let's label it as the 1st diode) which should be connected to the positive input of the LEDs, ok? And so on: the 2nd diode's cathode drives the anode of the 1st diode.
In your video the positive input to the LED board must be at the bottom right where the cathode of the diode there is connected to the board, that is what I label as the 1st diode.
 In conventional sense the current flows clockwise in your loop: the 1st diode's cathode point is the DC positive the loop creates there and the anode of the last diode at the bottom left provides the DC negative point.  I consider the diode loop as mainly a DC generator driving the series LEDs, the loop receives energy via capacitive coupling. Roughly at least 17-18V DC is to be generated to get that brightness for 6 white LEDs I suppose, try to measure it across the LEDs input, filter it with some uF electrolytic cap across the positive and negative.

Thanks,  Gyula

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #691 on: July 28, 2018, 04:04:29 AM »
   Lidmotor:   Yes, it works, but, is it really any better or more efficient than just connecting the clip lead to the diode loop?

   WE need to see if this is actually any better than normal form of wiring up some LEDs. Or even compared to what a Slayer Exciter can do. As the Doc has not shown the difference between this type of diode loop set up, and a normal one, as far an efficiency, or bulb brightness.  Nor has he shown any OU. So, are we just able to light the LED bulbs by saving a few mAs??? Or just where are we going with all of this?
   It would be good if Itsu or any of us could do some efficiency numbers, as he (or anyone else) that may have all the right gear to test with. Before we spend another month or so, trying to save a few mAs.
   We already know that the oscillator frequency has to be the same as the L3 coil, to obtain any noticeable gain.
 I personally have not seen this loop idea produce more light at the bulbs, than just connecting up the leds to a 4v battery, or to the  120v grid, as yet. But, I'm hoping that the Doc will finally come through with a more practical application. One that does not require an expensive SG to light the bulbs. Or only works with LEDs that have an aluminum back plate.
 
   BTW: I just found an one watt led bulb, with the metal backing, as well as a 300v MPSA42 in my electronics junk pile.
So, I'm working on setting that up now.
« Last Edit: July 28, 2018, 03:25:06 PM by NickZ »

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #692 on: July 28, 2018, 06:05:02 AM »
Lidmotor, Very good, that is a successful replication. Your new function generator works like a champ.
The output voltage and frequency which design elements contribute to the resonance will encourage more replications.
The loop's usefulness in coming demo showing charging large capacitor may find economical and practical uses.

I use the small USB plug and power bank often always looking for more portability in this battery era also job requirements.
« Last Edit: July 28, 2018, 09:09:15 AM by mikrovolt »

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #693 on: July 28, 2018, 07:42:44 AM »
Thanks all for the feedback on the latest Stiffler Loop experiment.

Gyula---  I will try this on a Slayer Exciter setup and see what happens.  Dr. Stiffler has a theory about what is happening here and hopefully he will explain more in his next videos.  The current does flow around the loop but it not a 'closed loop' like I used to think.  The last description he gave me was sort of a confusing word puzzle picture.  Basically energy does enter the loop but in a strange way.

Nick---I always wanted a 'self-running' device that pulled free energy from somewhere.  So far my work with Dr. Stiffler devices have not given me that result.  So why waste the time?  Why not just connect an LED to a battery and be done with it?  To me it is all about efficiency --and learning something new.  Perhaps we will learn something on these projects that leads to a more efficient light or motor. 

Mikrovolt----  You have been working on Dr. Stiffler stuff a long time and any info is valuable.  The next phase of Doc's Loop experiment will be charging a cap.  I did something similar years ago using a compound triangle array on exciter setups.  It worked fine.  Once I forgot to short out the cap after doing an experiment. The cap quietly charged up laying on the bench while I did something else.  I blew out a bunch of LEDs when I reconnected it later.

erfandl---  I didn't get a chance to work any more on the two crystal oscillator setup.  Perhaps tomorrow.

----Lidmotor

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #694 on: July 28, 2018, 09:37:09 AM »
Here is my dual SEC Exciter Loop video. the output is very interesting !

https://youtu.be/F3bjYHG1jfg

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #695 on: July 28, 2018, 03:53:23 PM »
   Lidmotor:   As you have an original Dr. Stiffler L3 coil, can you PLEASE count the number of turns it has on it. As I'd like to make a new L3, coil and don't want to just guess at the frequency response, as I don't have an SG that will work for that. 
   I don't want to be a nag, but I've asked you a couple of time for this info, perhaps you didn't see my previous questions.

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #696 on: July 28, 2018, 04:04:09 PM »
   Lidmotor:   As you have an original Dr. Stiffler L3 coil, can you PLEASE count the number of turns it has on it. As I'd like to make a new L3, coil and don't want to just guess at the frequency response, as I don't have an SG that will work for that. 
   I don't want to be a nag, but I've asked you a couple of time for this info, perhaps you didn't see my previous questions.

While you're providing him with the number of turns, add the guage of wire and diameter of the object used as for the winding, it's all very pertinent

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #697 on: July 28, 2018, 07:41:20 PM »
All--Doc posted a new video where he is charging up a cap now with his 'Ring'.  If you replicate this be careful that you short out ( or remove ) the cap when you are done playing around.  I had a bad experience years ago when a HV cap charged up silently on one of these AV plugs.  Doc's new 'Ring' is very potent.  I tried mine on my crystal oscillator last night and it worked great.  It should work on a Slayer Exciter also.  Doc made a comment on my video that explained a lot.  It seems that the 'Ring' is driven by voltage and a tiny amount of current.  He says that the 'Ring' itself generates current. 
  Here is Doc's latest video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgKetMbQMGY&t=101s

Gyula---Doc made a pretty good comment on my last video explaining a lot.  It is worth taking a look.  Just scroll down the comments until you find it.

NickZ---My stock SEC L3 coil is at another location.  I will be there tomorrow and look at it.  There was a discussion earlier about this and I explained what I was using but I understand why you want the specs on the stock coil.  Someone earlier found the specs and posted it here as I recall.  I don't remember what post that was.

erfandl--I did a similar experiment last night using my single crystal oscillator and the 'Ring'.  Try putting more LEDs on the Ring or move to the cap experiment.  Be careful if you are using an HV cap. It will bite you if care is not taken.

--Lidmotor

 

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #698 on: July 28, 2018, 07:56:39 PM »
All--Doc posted a new video where he is charging up a cap now with his 'Ring'.  If you replicate this be careful that you short out ( or remove ) the cap when you are done playing around.  I had a bad experience years ago when a HV cap charged up silently on one of these AV plugs.  Doc's new 'Ring' is very potent.  I tried mine on my crystal oscillator last night and it worked great.  It should work on a Slayer Exciter also.  Doc made a comment on my video that explained a lot.  It seems that the 'Ring' is driven by voltage and a tiny amount of current.  He say that the 'Ring' itself generates current. 
  Here is Doc's latest video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgKetMbQMGY&t=101s

NickZ---My stock SEC L3 coil is at another location.  I will be there tomorrow and look at it.  There was a discussion earlier about this and I explained what I was using but I understand why you want the specs on the stock coil.  Someone earlier found the specs and posted it here as I recall.  I don't remember what post that was.

erfandl--I did a similar experiment last night using my single crystal oscillator and the 'Ring'.  Try putting more LEDs on the Ring or move to the cap experiment.  Be careful if you are using an HV cap. It will bite you if care is not taken.

--Lidmotor
Thanks lidmotor. Is it possible to looping the circuit and using the cap as circuit source? so we have infinite light

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #699 on: July 28, 2018, 08:05:40 PM »
erfndl---Doc did a circuit years ago called the 'Near Infinity Light System' (NILS) that I worked on and tested.  He looped the output of a SEC-18 back to the source by tapping into an led array at a certain point and feeding it back into a cap at the 6v battery source.  It was not self running but the amp draw was very low.  He applied for a patent for it but ran out on money to complete the process.  Mikrovolt may have worked on that project also.

NickZ----I found some info on the stock SEC L3 coil.  It is 63 turns of 24ga magnet wire on about a 5/8" form.  Here are some pictures of it.

--Lidmotor


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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #700 on: July 28, 2018, 09:26:56 PM »
Hi Erfandl,

For a possible test on looping back, I suggest you the followings:
you would need to obtain a step down DC-DC converter which is able to receive DC voltage from the capacitor
(placed across the diode loop output) between say 25V and 100 or even 120 V and convert it to DC 12 or 24 V, etc.

Then this 12-24V output could feed your oscillator IF the diode loop could maintain a DC voltage level in the capacitor
higher than say 25V.  Understand?Conventional science says such looped back setup would never work but there is only one way to learn: by
testing it. Here is such converter, with adjustable output: https://www.ebay.com/itm/183258445232/
Gyula

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #701 on: July 28, 2018, 09:37:47 PM »
Hi Erfandl,

For a possible test on looping back, I suggest you the followings:
you would need to obtain a step down DC-DC converter which is able to receive DC voltage from the capacitor (placed across the diode loop output) between say 25V and 100 or even 120 V and convert it to DC 12 or 24 V, etc.

Then this 12-24V output could feed your oscillator IF the diode loop could maintain a DC voltage level in the capacitor higher than say 25V.  Understand?

Conventional science says such looped back setup would never work but there is only one way to learn: by testing it. Here is such converter, with adjustable output: https://www.ebay.com/itm/183258445232/

Gyula
Hi gyula. Thanks for reply. How many capacitor size ( uF )? I have 63 volt 10000 uF cap is it good for test?

Thanks

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #702 on: July 28, 2018, 09:49:27 PM »
Well, the Doc said in the video  he used a 450 uF, 200 V DC rated electrolytic. 

If you can assemble a 55 - 60 V Zener diode to limit the DC voltage across your 63V rated capacitor,
then it would be ok for a test.  The Zener would protect the cap from overcharging it beyond its rated voltage. 
Then you would need a DC-DC converter which can work up to the 55-60V DC input and step it down to your
oscillator needed voltage level.  Obviously, as you load the 1000 uF cap, the voltage across it will go down, you will see. 

Gyula

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #703 on: July 28, 2018, 10:26:19 PM »
....
Doc made a comment on my video that explained a lot.  It seems that the 'Ring' is driven by voltage and a tiny amount of current.  He says that the 'Ring' itself generates current. 
...
Gyula---Doc made a pretty good comment on my last video explaining a lot.  It is worth taking a look.  Just scroll down the comments until you find it.
....

Dear Lidmotor,
I went to your latest video about 2 hours ago but I did not see any comment from Dr Stiffler....Was his comment deleted??
Anyway thanks for the headsup.  I sent you a PM via this forum.
Thanks
Gyula

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Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
« Reply #704 on: July 28, 2018, 10:27:54 PM »
Well, the Doc said in the video  he used a 450 uF, 200 V DC rated electrolytic. 

If you can assemble a 55 - 60 V Zener diode to limit the DC voltage across your 63V rated capacitor,
then it would be ok for a test.  The Zener would protect the cap from overcharging it beyond its rated voltage. 
Then you would need a DC-DC converter which can work up to the 55-60V DC input and step it down to your
oscillator needed voltage level.  Obviously, as you load the 1000 uF cap, the voltage across it will go down, you will see. 

Gyula
Thanks. and whats happening when I use supercapacitor 2.7 volt @ 500 farad? is it dangerous and make destroying the cap?
Thanks.

 

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