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Replication of Mini Radiant Exciter circuit of Nelson Rocha

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This thread is the backup of thread N.R.M.R.E. An investigation, which is locked from posting. Mr. Nelson Rocha from Portugal is currently building a Radiant collector box a he is currently the only succesfull designer of free energy device at He kindly provided a scheme and videos (1 2 3 4 5 6 7) of his few prototypes of smaller device, so-called  Mini Radiant Exciter circuit. He accepts donations for his research's by paypal by PayPal account. This scheme has been redrawn by @itsu and @Dog-One and it has been partially replicated by @Dog-One and @TinselKoala (video).

According Nelson Rocha his effect is managed by a "parametric oscillator that regulate how stronger is the pulses applied to a coil and the frequency used". The parametric oscillators are important part of ferrorezonance and many overunity circuits. The general idea is, the energy stored within coil or transformer is proportional the current and the momentary inductance of coil. At the case of ferrite coil, this inductance can be tuned in wide range with magnetic field, which may or may not come from that coil, i.e. which can be of external origin - so it can change independently like the adjustable parameter of circuit (from this its "parametric" denomination follows).

As you can see at the picture bellow, the toroid core of Mr. Rocha is stuffed with smaller axial coil, the winding of which remains oriented perpendicularly to the winding of toroid transformer. Those who know the theory of coils probably know, that these two coils have very little chance to affect each other with voltage induced: the magnetic field of torus remains closed into itself and the magnetic field of smaller coil remains perpendicular to the toroidal one. Therefore, once the current inside the axial coil changes, then only magnetic saturation of toroidal coil can change - but no back EMF and current can be induced into it and no electric energy can get wasted within the circuit.

If the Mr. Nelson Rocha's device works as I think it works, then the toroid coil gets energized when the axial coil is switched on. Its current and magnetic field saturates the ferrite within torus in such a way, its inductance remains low. Therefore low energy is actually required for raising current through toroidal coil during this period. Once the current through coil reaches its maximum, then the current inside axial coil gets switched off and the magnetic permeability of ferrite spontaneously increases, because the thermal fluctuations within material have no other option, than to reorient its magnetic domains randomly. This is spontaneous entropic process and it usually wastes energy, but in this sneaky arrangement it raises the energy of coil instead. How?

We shouldn't forget, that the toroid coil is already passed with high current from previous half of cycle, therefore the increasing permeability increases the inductance of coil and energy of magnetic flux under current given and this energy is provided with quantum fluctuations of vacuum "for free". The transformer gets charged into account of thermal fluctuations: the power returned by current back into circuit during its discharge will be higher than the power used for its charging, because its inductance modulated with axial coil will be also lower during charging of transformer than during its discharging.

Note that the current passing through small axial coil must be relatively high for to achieve saturation of both cores. There undoubtedly exist better but more complex arrangements of ferrite cores, which close magnetic circuits of both coils more consequentially. But because the axial coil is small and wound with short thick wire, its energy loses also remain low. Anyway this explains, why the circuit goes into "berserk mode" just above certain level of input power, because the saturation curve of ferrites is not linear. This saturation can be helped with additional magnet embedded into a magnetic circuit - which is the trick, which for example 2SGen of J.L. Naudin or MEG of Thomas Bearden are using.

The current situation is, two replicators already posted their replicas here, which is great - but these replicas don't correspond the Nelson Rocha's circuits and they omitted detail (IMO crucial, actually working principle) - which has been also neglected in all previous (equally clueless) posts  about Nelson Rocha's device. Both SunDog's, both TinkelKoala's replicas don't contain wire passing through toroid coil with compare to Nelson Rocha's diagram and/or replicas - so I don't want to repeat the same mistake here again. As a theorist I'd recommend to check first, how the parametric oscillator behaves with respect to overunity.

We should therefore attach some sufficiently large toroidal coil at the board and to torture it with well defined voltage pulses from generator under oscilloscope. This toroid coil should be stuffed with another coil according to Nelson Rocha's prototype, which will be loaded with the same pulses - only delayed by phase for to prove my theorem, that the saturation of ferrite by external magnetic field during main pulse affects the BEMF energy, returned with main coil into circuit after pulse. I.e. to attempt to isolate and demonstrate the overunity effect, which Nelson Rocha's circuit is POSSIBLY based on. If we would have it done and this principle will be working, then the wiring of the rest of circuit may be relatively easy.

The hard-core builders can indeed still attempt for replication and reviving Nelson's Rocha circuit from scratch - but its difficult to support such an attempts with advices at distance, until we don't know, what the experimenter is actually doing. Such a complex circuit may behave like the black box and we're predestined to find its working point only by trial&error approach. And I can not still guarantee, that the circuit schemes presented in this thread really correspond the Nelson Rocha's originals from his videos. The first approach seems to be a less risky strategy for me.

The generic problem with builders at is, they have rather tendency to replicate circuits as a whole and to solve technical details (choice of components and so on). They're explorative and opened to improvisation without strict adherence on some theory of circuit function. And vice-versa: the theorists usually don't bother with practical details and tinkering. They don't want to wait for complete replicas - but to analyze principle of function on parts of circuit first. Now we have a chance to promote cooperation of both types of people - or to continue in existing modus vivendi of this forum, which contains mixture of theoretical proposals and builder threads - both equally clueless and arguably unsuccessful for last twenty years.

The problem of this collaborative mode is, the theorists are essentially expected to tell, what the builders should exactly do - which may or may not be palatable for members, who already gained social credit with their attempts for replication here.


--- Quote from: Zephir on April 22, 2017, 05:30:53 AM ---

The problem of this collaborative mode is, the theorists are essentially expected to tell, what the builders should exactly do - which may or may not be palatable for members, who already gained social credit with their attempts for replication here.

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Like I already told many times ;
Most of people are not interested in hard work , but instead want "baby food" in their own mouth ...  Myself lose 2 years only study some aspects of  that circuit , and see people already give up just because some Illustrious persons, Pout ..... In general i think this is a lost case. When happens such behavior's,  i could only say that is a  waste of TIME to everyone!

Nelson Rocha

The following is respectfully submitted:

Mr Nelson Rocha has priorly stated that his devices work by a parametric oscillator circuit.

This was quoted by Mr. Zephir in the other thread.

Mr. Zephir seems to have identified one possible means of parametric oscillator control via axial inductor within toroidal inductor possibly for use in controlling saturation of the toroidal inductor.

From here out it is simple. Mr Rocha needs to state one of two things:

!) Yes, this parametric oscillator via saturation control of toroidal inductor is one key part of the operation of my device.

2) No, saturation control via axial inductor within toroidal inductor is a visual error and assumption therefore, not part of the operation of my parametric oscillator.

Hopefully, in the interest of good scientific inquiry and procedure, Mr Rocha will answer this simple yes / no question. That would be helpful. If we do not hear from Mr. Rocha, that would be unfortunate but not in any way stopping progress.


Decided to withdraw from this thread !


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