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## Solid States Devices => TPU replications => Topic started by: Theoretical Research on April 16, 2017, 11:16:47 PM

Title: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on April 16, 2017, 11:16:47 PM
Hi,

I’ve decided to freely help a few people build a simple experiment to witness the free energy effect that I believe is seen in the Steven Marks devices. Sorry but I only have time to help a few people. You should have a good understanding of FFTs, measuring phase angles & resistance at resonance, cores inductance at a given frequency, and preferably a good understanding of classical electrodynamics.

The effect will be obvious. When the core is facing the planet you will see the free energy effect. When the core is rotated parallel to the planet, the voltage is gone. Magnetic fields can also influence space flow. Although I haven’t taken such devices to the equator, I suspect there will be a noticeable change in the effect. Once you successfully replicate the effect, you can then begin experimenting with magnets and  eventually replace the gravity effect with a magnet effect.

Here’s an outline of the physics behind the electro-gravity-space effect. The theory predicts space is accelerating toward mass. In this case, the planet. That is why light bends toward planets. On the 4th dimension the gravitational space flow appears like a vortex. The equations work beautifully in predicting Einstein's equations. So we have space flowing toward the planet. On earth's surface it’s ~ 11,000 m/s. And so if we have stray charge near earth, that charge produces a magnetic field since it's moving at 11 Km/s. If we place that charge inside a magnetic core/toroid, the charge magnetizes the cores in the same way electrical current flowing in a wire through a core would. We can get charge in the core by wrapping copper foil inside the inner core. BTW, you'll need copper foil to do the experiment. In order to get sufficient charge in the core, we need capacitance. To get sufficient capacitance we need to also wrap copper foil on the outer part of the core. If we apply a voltage on this capacitor (inner & outer foil), we get charge, which applies a magnetic field in the core. If we apply AC voltage on this cap, we then get an AC voltage on the core, which we can easily tap into with a core winding. According to the standard model, applying ac voltage to the cap should NOT produce a voltage on the cores winding, but it does exist. Essentially, you're applying drag to the space flow, which will effect the devices weight. You won't notice it with this experiment. It's not until you apply tens of thousands of volts that results in a lot of power that you will notice weight changes in the device along with inertia anomalies. Everyone is advised to copy this text. People say the government doesn't want this level of physics to be released to the public. I completely disagree. This technology is the only thing that will quickly help humanity to populate the galaxy. Having humans stuck on this planet is putting all of our eggs in one basket. A single asteroid could wipe out humanity.

Contact me in private message if you’re interested. Sorry if I don't spend much time replying to posts in this thread.

Attached photo shows an example of a magnetic core that has copper foil wrapped inside and outside.

ps I would prefer you have a core found in high voltage tv coils, the rectangle ones that are roughly 3" long be 1.7" wide by 0.64" thick.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Zephir on April 17, 2017, 01:38:52 AM
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If we apply AC voltage on this cap, we then get an AC voltage on the core, which we can easily tap into with a core winding

Thank You for pointing to potentially important effect, but the simple scheme or diagram of experiment would speed up its understanding.
For example I don't understand, where the capacitor is supposed to be in you photo of core, because the copper foil seems to form short connection all around it - both inside, both outside it.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on April 17, 2017, 03:10:40 AM
Hi. The core shown in the photo is an open circuit, not shorted. I would love to spend  time posting here but I can't spend time except on a few people with a lot of experience required for this experiment. That's my quick assessment on the people at overunity.com. No offense to anyone but I know how these type of threads can take off and I don't want to get swept away in them.

If you can take a core and place a few turns and tell me what R is (not X or Z) and L at a given frequency and the core capacitance from the inner & outer copper foil, then that's bare minimum requirement to do this experiment. Honestly that's a simple task for any EE, but I gather most people here are not a EE. The effect is difficult to see unless one knows the exact characteristics of their core and the circuit. It's difficult because the electro-gravity-space effect voltage is extremely small compared to the voltage on the capacitor, which produces significant leakage due to stray capacitance. A self-runner you don't need to measure it over the leakage voltage. You simply apply a high voltage AC signal in tens of thousands of volts produce by a very efficient circuit that charges a batter/cap, which recirculates the energy back to the core cap.

I want to post a self-runner but I need more time to figure out how to design a circuit that's a LOT easier to build and that's self-tuning. This effect varies with location, altitude, outdoors vs indoors. Even if I posted a self-runner with the exact part #'s it would require people with experience to adjust it in order to self-run. Furthermore, I am determined to take a self-runner to Elon Musk at SpaceX / Tesla before releasing it here. If by chance something happens to me, then I'm confident the more advanced researchers here such as TinselKoala will be able to eventually build a self-runner based on my top post in this thread. So there you go. If you copy & save my top post then this technology is safe.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Zephir on April 17, 2017, 03:35:47 AM
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No offense to anyone but I know how these type of threads can take off and I don't want to get swept away in them

OK, you can create a new thread about it here (http://overunity.com/dense-aether-model-and-scalar-wave-physics). This is my new board created just with respect to your/mine negative experience (http://overunity.com/17231/energy-from-water-arc-explosions/msg504540) with unmoderated threads at this forum. All posts will be deleted from there on your command without need of further reasoning.  Or at least submit some diagram and I will copy existing info from here into a new thread, which I create myself.

Why do you use pair of cores instead of single one? Should be the coil wound around both cores at once?

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It's not until you apply tens of thousands of volts that results in a lot of power that you will notice weight changes in the device along with inertia anomalies.

Actually Lauretti, Woodward and S. Sarg already constructed such a drives: high voltage capacitor within magnet (https://neolegesmotus.wordpress.com/2015/08/04/aspss-electromagnetic-engine-tds-vf2/) or electromagnet.

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This effect varies with location, altitude, outdoors vs indoors

Well, this is pretty strange by itself - don't you think? According to your theory (as far I understood its principle) it shouldn't vary with exception of altitude. The large ferrite cores can concentrate lotta electromagnetic smog from wide outside - such an effect could be easily confused for electrogravitic anomaly after then. Musk will be sad if your effect would disappear once his rocket would change orientation just a bit..

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If you can take a core and place a few turns and tell me what R is (not X or Z) and L at a given frequency and the core capacitance from the inner & outer copper foil, then that's bare minimum requirement to do this experiment

OK - let say, I measured R = 9 Ohm, L = 200 mH at 50 Hz and the C = 2.6 pF. What next? It just seems for me, that if the electrogravitic voltage induced on the core winding will be small, then higher number of coil windings would improve the output voltage in the same way, like the usage of higher voltage at the capacitor. The higher frequency can improve the energy if not power density of device too - why not to increase it too?

Bellow is UF86A  MnZn ferrite core I have from ZP40 material (width:85.8mm, height:43mm, round:344mm)
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: ARMCORTEX on April 17, 2017, 05:38:44 PM
If you want EE help, you are gonna have to pay for his services or do it yourself.

I would not take the theory of a lazy kid seriously until he paid me.

If you could not post a circuit because it would not work for everybody, then I suggest you build it for your own location, if are even able to finalize an actual build with components and an HV source, wires, then press power on and see.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on April 17, 2017, 05:54:37 PM
If you want EE help, you are gonna have to pay for his services or do it yourself.

I would not take the theory of a lazy kid seriously until he paid me.

If you could not post a circuit because it would not work for everybody, then I suggest you build it for your own location, if are even able to finalize an actual build with components and an HV source, wires, then press power on and see.
I seek no help here at all. Rest assured there is nobody at this site who could help me or who knows something I don't know about elecrtrical engineering and physics. :/ Yes it's theory. I built a device based on my well founded theory and it worked. Sorry I don't have time for this.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Zephir on April 17, 2017, 05:56:04 PM
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I would not take the theory of a lazy kid seriously until he paid me

ARMCORTEX: this forum is not Facebook. It's not about your private feelings and opinions but about discussion of available facts and observations. You may or may not be interested about technology given until you get better evidence - OK, this is your full right to do - but also your very private attitude, which is not transferrable to others. Someone else may be interested about it more.

Until you will not understand it, I suggest you to find your own location too :-) At my board your post would be already deleted/relocated and banned for one week for posting without further explanation for such a subjectivistic and off-topic comment. If we want to get the truth, we should primarily change our way of thinking and free it from any subjectivism and trolling.

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there is nobody at this site who could help me or who knows something I don't know about elecrtrical engineering and physics
I know about at least four other devices, which work in very similar way. So I could also provide few advices how to optimize it. For example your capacitor uses ferrite as an dielectric - but this is not an ideal material for capacitor. But I'm here only for public solely opened discussions, which is the very purpose of this forum.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: ARMCORTEX on April 17, 2017, 06:13:37 PM
Zephi, you are not a builder, you are a curious lvl 1 weak character and have already told you what is the next step for such young kid. A virgin fat kid who wants to date prettiest girl. Now is the time to lift weights and train your competence  and mind if you want that to happen.

Theoretical researcher, if you have built this device and it worked why are you here seeking help and why not reveal everything right away. Your theories and progress will be safer on the forums then kept secret
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Zephir on April 17, 2017, 06:23:07 PM
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A virgin fat kid who wants to date prettiest girl

LOL, says the right "builder", who already knows (http://i.imgur.com/maRj9gW.gif), he can never date it.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on April 17, 2017, 06:43:02 PM
Theoretical researcher, if you have built this device and it worked why are you here seeking help and why not reveal everything right away. Your theories and progress will be safer on the forums then kept secret

Scenario: I post the circuit. A dozen unqualified people build it and reply that it doesn't work. Don't mean to be rude or cold or short, but I don't like that scenario. The last thing I want is to get sucked into endless posts trying to help unqualified replicators. I need a few qualified people who can replicate the effect.

Again, I will work through private messaging with those who meet the minimum qualifications outlined in my top post. For those who meet such qualifications can see first hand the free energy effect.

Right now self-runners are sensitive to location & altitude. Please read my first two posts. I will design & build a simple, hopefully self adjusting, self runner. Take it to Elon Musk at SpaceX / Tesla. Hope he can buy it and market it. Regardless, my top post in this thread is sufficient for some people here to eventually build a self runner.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: ARMCORTEX on April 17, 2017, 06:51:29 PM
Tinselkoala does not work via PM.

And why do you care if unqualified can't replicate, you know it works... Just don't answer.

Why don't you show a picture of your complete build instead of that lame old picture.

When we know you are legit, qualified experimenters will come forward.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Zephir on April 17, 2017, 06:59:29 PM
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I seek no help here at all... I need a few qualified people who can replicate the effect

@Theoretical_Research: sorry, but this is just a naive social engineering what you are doing here - just of different type, than this one which @Armcortex is trying... Your device is very simple and way more advanced ones are already tested, the power of which doesn't depend on location and similar BS. The problem of overunity spreading isn't government. The world is full of wily guys, who just want to optimize their effort/yield ratio. Best luck with Elon Musk.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on April 17, 2017, 07:07:26 PM
Tinselkoala does not work via PM.

And why do you care if unqualified can't replicate, you know it works... Just don't answer.

Why don't you show a picture of your complete build instead of that lame old picture.

When we know you are legit, qualified experimenters will come forward.

I already posted sufficient outline of the physics for qualified people to test the theory, and figure out how to design a self-runner. That's enough.

I'm interested in spacex, tesla, google, battery companies, not Tinselkoala. I offered to help a few people here to see the effect. I've seen how the threads go at public forums. No thanks. It's a waste of time & energy.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Zephir on April 17, 2017, 07:23:08 PM
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I already posted sufficient outline  for qualified people to figure out how to design a self-runner.

Really intelligent people don't need any amorous intrigues via email for to get an information (a hint: ViXra.org/ArXiv.org serves for this purpose reliably). If you're saying, that you WANT TO HELP people and that your device requires tuning with R, L and C, just describe the workflow how to tune it with parameters given and post it here together with video of your self-runner operating within Faraday cage - so we can we have an evidence, that you've something really working in hands and that you're not pursuing ghosts.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on April 17, 2017, 07:41:29 PM
I hate spending time posting at forums. For anyone who works without my guidance trying to see the free energy effect, you MUST first test your entire setup in spice. There are a lot of gotchas. For example, signal gen leakage signal is out of phase with the voltage from the free energy effect. So if your sig gen produces say 20Vpp @ 900KHz, which causes a 2mV leakage signal, and the FE effect is 0.4mV, then you're not going to see much change when rotating the device relative to earth, about 50uV. That's why you need my guidance or you need to seriously know what you're doing and spend a lot of time thinking it out. As for self-runners, when you have a good core and everything's correct with 15KV+ on the core cap you should in the very least see 2V output with at least a few watts.

Sorry but I hope this is my last post in this thread. I've seen numerous skeptics such as Tensil (spelling) cry about nobody offering to prove this technology. So here's the offer. If he doesn't work via PMs or requires videos and such to see if I'm legit, then he can carry on with his stuff. :)
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Zephir on April 17, 2017, 08:05:40 PM
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when your sig gen produces say 20Vpp @ 900KHz.. when you have a good core and everything's correct with 15KV+ on the core cap you should in the very least see 2V output with at least a few watts

At which input frequency? Which variable parameters your technology actually has? At such a high voltage and 900kHz it's not problem to waste way higher power at the small capacitor (at 200 pF its impedance will be just 1000 Ohm and current 15 A !). You'll need a whole radio transmitter station for to power such a device (15 kW HF generator) and such a device must be able to recycle ampere current at 1 MHz and 15 kV just for "few watts" of useful yield. I seriously doubt, you've such a generator.

What you're saying is rather close to behavior of Floyd Sweet (http://www.rexresearch.com/sweet3/sweet3.htm) (1 (https://youtu.be/UVhGQaESKEI), 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOJ_sFy6BQU), 3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFarS-liuBY)) and Manelas Device (https://ecatsite.wordpress.com/manelas-device/). They don't work on electrogravitic principle, though. They allegedly require thorough conditioning of ferrite billets with high voltage pulses and barium ferrite must be allegedly used for it - which is conductive with compare to strontium ferrite. The symptomatic is, all crucial details of technology are missing - the lack of their description isn't problem of government, but greedy inventors.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: ARMCORTEX on April 17, 2017, 11:29:17 PM
Theoretical researcher,

You haven't seen the powers that be operate.

When you have your phone take pictures of your2,handed person doing something else appear on your phone you will reach a level of higher understanding, like I have.

Your design is perhaps over unity, and a shitty design that has nothing to do with TPU

Elon Musk already has better, he would not even have one of his secretaries respond.

Its time to humble yourself, and step down if your high horse, nobody is gonna pull a quick one over here, TK does not even need to respond he sees already your elementary problem problem.

A good overunity device is capable of at least a few kW.

Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Zephir on April 18, 2017, 02:29:11 AM
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You haven't seen the powers that be operate... Your design is perhaps over unity.. blah blah...

In brief, the conflict of two people, who just don't want to cooperate here at public. Naive inventor with exaggerated expectations and pathoskeptic troll, whose only meaning of life is to denounce the people, who show just a bit of weakness. Now you can see, why the accidental findings have no chance to resurface at wider scale. It begins and ends with inability of people to cooperate, once some profit is at stake.

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you MUST first test your entire setup in Spice
If yes, why not to post / link Spice file here?
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: ARMCORTEX on April 18, 2017, 07:00:51 AM
Provide spice files...

WTF, how can unqualified people be a danger I'd provided with spice files..

Never mind Elon Musk, its not happening

Release everything and ask for help.

You are either full independant or full Dependant to these forums. This in between humanitarian who wants us to "copy your words" yet its all closed group secrecy is the kind of stinkiness I enjoy. You are quite the funny guy, so what was it again an expensive HV apparatus for a few watts ? Boy o boy...

If you can't make me a toaster running technology you are not meeting my needs. I don't have desire for something with ROI  of 20 years few watts as a time and super HV.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Zephir on April 18, 2017, 07:56:37 AM
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If you can't make me a toaster running technology you are not meeting my needs. I don't have desire for something with ROI  of 20 years few watts as a time and super HV.

Your needs, desires and fantasies interest no one here.  Why they should do?
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: AlienGrey on April 18, 2017, 08:17:21 AM
Your needs, desires and fantasies interest no one here.  Why they should do?
Ah it's Eric Morecambe and Ernie Wise a double act ! but this isn't 'opportunity knocks'.

'Show time', cut the 'gags' and show us something your working on a device or a schematic of your own.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Jimboot on April 18, 2017, 09:37:35 AM
Ah it's Eric Morecambe and Ernie Wise a double act ! but this isn't 'opportunity knocks'.
LOL Seriously guys. TR has told you what he is prepared to do and that's it. If you want to contact him privately do so but please don't clutter with a flame war. Thanks.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Vortex1 on April 18, 2017, 03:30:40 PM
Michael Faraday was once asked of what use is his new induction discovery, and I believe he replied "of what use is a newborn baby?"

Point being, the demonstration of an anomalous effect can be very important, so please have the patience to give it a chance and allow the theme to develop.

Regards
Vortex1

p.s. yes that quip was also attributed to Franklin and others.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Zephir on April 18, 2017, 05:52:58 PM
What I know is, the combination of ferrite block and capacitor has been used for both antigravity, both overunity long time. Except that at the case of antigravity the effect is weak, when the native ferromagnetism and/or capacitance of ferrite gets utilized, so that the researchers embed ceramic capacitor into a magnetic circuit of coil (so-called Mach thruster (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodward_effect) - see bellow). Inside the coil the magnetic field can get stronger than inside permanent magnet and ceramic capacitor also exhibits much higher permittivity than the ferrite, so that stronger field can be achieved in it too at lower voltage and energy lost. As far I know, such a device weren't tested for overunity, but their thrust should be quite strong, reproducible and it shouldn't depend on location with compare to @Theoretical_Research device.

What @Theoretical_Research is proposing here is merely a Floyd Sweet (http://www.rexresearch.com/sweet3/sweet3.htm) (1 (https://youtu.be/UVhGQaESKEI), 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOJ_sFy6BQU), 3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFarS-liuBY)) / Ahern-Manelase effect (https://ecatsite.wordpress.com/manelas-device/). It requires to use special conductive ferrites conditioned with high voltage pulses into anapole configuration at which the ferrite repulses magnetized bodies. Which is pretty cool effect by itself (see bellow) - but more difficult to replicate. As far I know, such a devices weren't tested for inertial-less thrust - but they're supposed to generate overunity of high COP.

The third group of devices didn't utilize permanent magnet, but normal soft ferrite or air-cored coil, which also created high voltage gradient across core, preferably under formation of glow discharge (Stoyan Sarg devices (https://www.youtube.com/user/tenko45/videos) and others (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rOvWi5QNZE)). These devices were claimed to exhibit both thrust (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gWtaMAQVSU), both overunity effects (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0UMkQc4I-U).

So that there is definitely lotta interesting effects to replicate and research, but we have no chance to advance it at public forum within environment of frog&mice battles between overly secretive researchers and overly dismissive pathoskeptics because of synergy of both attitudes: the interesting information cannot spread into outside. Please keep it on mind if you want to continue in effective discussion here.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: kEhYo77 on April 18, 2017, 05:56:17 PM
This device uses the same effect, I think.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Zephir on April 18, 2017, 06:34:53 PM
The Testatika/Innova Tech device could utilize it too, just with different geometry of coil and capacitor (cylindrical). After all, Don Smith's / Kapanadze devices also contain axial ground conductor inside the coil, so that they can also serve as a capacitor/coil combination too.

In my theory the overunity could be achieved, once we modulate the impedance of coil or capacitor during pulses in such a way, that the energy required for its charging will get lower, than for its discharge. In general, within Tesla coils both fields may be present under resonance, because these coils exhibit both capacity, both inductance distributed along their winding - so they could generate overunity on its very own under this condition.

This explanation looks simple enough - except that we don't know the mechanism, in which the electric field could affect the impedance of air core coil and/vice versa, how the susceptibility of ferrite should be affected with electric field. I presume, that the electrons are propagating along surface of coil in evanescent waves at high frequencies due to skin-effect (principle of single wire transfer). The electric field inside the coil forces them to propagate at larger or smaller distance from coil wire, which would affect the speed of their propagation and as such the impedance of coil itself. This is because the speed of charge propagation near conductor becomes the slower, the closer this conductor it gets, because within conductors the electrons and their charge waves actually propagate quite slowly (refraction index of metals is high in general).

Alternatively the F.Sweet's effect points to option, that at the presence of strong electric field within ferromagnet its domains may get polarized in such a way, they will lose their ability to follow changes of magnetic field. In this case the ferrite coil will lose magnetic susceptibility and impedance during high voltage polarization in similar way, like the air core coil. Occasionally we can create an artificial Bloch domains (structured magnet) within polarized material in this way (structured magnets can keep&levitate magnetized body at distance). We can indeed continue in attempts for blind replication of all these devices in trial&errors way - but IMO it would be more effective to attempt for identification and demonstration of their principles first in a standard conscious scientific way: from theory to experiment, which could falsify it.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: lordoftheTPU on April 18, 2017, 09:21:25 PM
I hate spending time posting at forums. For anyone who works without my guidance trying to see the free energy effect, you MUST first test your entire setup in spice. There are a lot of gotchas. For example, signal gen leakage signal is out of phase with the voltage from the free energy effect. So if your sig gen produces say 20Vpp @ 900KHz, which causes a 2mV leakage signal, and the FE effect is 0.4mV, then you're not going to see much change when rotating the device relative to earth, about 50uV. That's why you need my guidance or you need to seriously know what you're doing and spend a lot of time thinking it out. As for self-runners, when you have a good core and everything's correct with 15KV+ on the core cap you should in the very least see 2V output with at least a few watts.

Sorry but I hope this is my last post in this thread. I've seen numerous skeptics such as Tensil (spelling) cry about nobody offering to prove this technology. So here's the offer. If he doesn't work via PMs or requires videos and such to see if I'm legit, then he can carry on with his stuff. :)

Steven Mark.....how you doing buddy. I know its you. Dont pretend its not you. anyways I know the secret behind your device. If you really want to make some money...get in touch with me...PM me asap.

Forget about taking it to Elon Musk, spaceX or google etc... you cant do it yourself direct beccause

1) the moment they run a detailed background check on you....they will find out about your TPU claims you made in the 90s and the videos.

2) If you use a front man or partner, trust me they will find out its really you thats behind it and both of you will be ending up going to jail for misrepresenting inventions   also the load can only be resistive for demo purposes as it is high current RF....not suitable for plugging in 120vac devices.

3) Again your background...you already made some money of this tech...If you get greedy again and take this to billionaire Elon Musk with a third party or some other frontman / company believe me you will end up in jail so quick, it will make your headspin.

Steven If you are serious about making money or bringing the tech out...PM me.  no alter egos.  I sent you a PM. people this is SM even if he says he is not.  ;)
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Vortex1 on April 18, 2017, 09:30:50 PM
Zephir said:

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"but IMO it would be more effective to attempt for identification and demonstration of their principles first in a standard conscious scientific way: from theory to experiment, which could falsify it".

I totally agree with this statement and a good deal of what Zephir has posted.

Nevertheless, if someone has stumbled onto an effect but cannot explain it, that is a good place to start to develop a hypothesis and then test the hypothesis a number of ways before we can even begin to assign it a theory.

Less noise and more science is a good thing!

The hypothesis (by TR) is that gravity is flowing towards the earth at 11,000 km/s. If true, there must be a number of ways to test this, and certainly a device which is position sensitive when shielded from magnetic fields or that loses weight when some of this flow is diverted would be good starting points.

Let's give it a chance and see how it develops. Meanwhile we can hypothesize and experiment.

KehYo77
In your drawing, if I understand, you are putting the HV AC output of the step up RF transformer (aka Tesla Coil) onto the capacitor plates. It is not being rectified to DC before application correct? Do you have any ideas about how this device is started and tested for effects?

Kind Regards
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on April 18, 2017, 10:03:10 PM
At which input frequency? Which variable parameters your technology actually has? At such a high voltage and 900kHz it's not problem to waste way higher power at the small capacitor (at 200 pF its impedance will be just 1000 Ohm and current 15 A !). You'll need a whole radio transmitter station for to power such a device (15 kW HF generator) and such a device must be able to recycle ampere current at 1 MHz and 15 kV just for "few watts" of useful yield. I seriously doubt, you've such a generator.

What you're saying is rather close to behavior of Floyd Sweet (http://www.rexresearch.com/sweet3/sweet3.htm) (1 (https://youtu.be/UVhGQaESKEI), 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOJ_sFy6BQU), 3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFarS-liuBY)) and Manelas Device (https://ecatsite.wordpress.com/manelas-device/). They don't work on electrogravitic principle, though. They allegedly require thorough conditioning of ferrite billets with high voltage pulses and barium ferrite must be allegedly used for it - which is conductive with compare to strontium ferrite. The symptomatic is, all crucial details of technology are missing - the lack of their description isn't problem of government, but greedy inventors.
It's closer to 20pF. Remember that capacitance is lossless reactance. A real cap has some loss. If you have a cap that has 1mOhm at say 1MHz then you have good cab. Good job. Remember that V=I*R, Rcap=1/(2*pi*f*C), so @1MHz at resonance to produce 15KV on the cap requires current to be 15e+3V/(1/(2*pi*1e+6Hz*20e-12F)) = 1.9 amps,  and the cap power loss is I^2*R = 3.6mW (0.0036 watts).
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Zephir on April 19, 2017, 12:04:24 AM
I'm aware, that such a power is reactive only and it doesn't generate heat at capacitor. But it still must be somehow produced with generator. The current 1,9 A/1MHz requires common induction heater, which you can buy at EBay. But its output voltage will be just few dozens of volts and power in kilowatt range. Once you want to get 15.000 kV, then you're suddenly dealing with quite different technology requirements: you'll need meter-sized vacuum tubes (http://i.imgur.com/actxeHn.jpg) for voltage generation and huge transformers (http://i.imgur.com/HZCkI1A.jpg) for its amplification and you're dealing with megawatt radio-station (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbHjcwIoTiY). You'll need a swimming pool for its cooling (experimentally tested (http://hawkins.pair.com/wlw/wlw9.jpg))

Ferrites also have high ESR: even the best mica capacitor has dissipation factor ~ .001, which means hundreds of watts will be wasted on it. Once you'll use ferrite, you should consider kilowatts of ESR loses - and you'll immediately melt your poor ferrite diathermically. And at this point you're telling me, that you'll be able to recuperate few watts of free energy from this arrangement via electrogravity?
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on April 19, 2017, 12:17:14 AM
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: kEhYo77 on April 19, 2017, 02:32:43 AM

KehYo77
In your drawing, if I understand, you are putting the HV AC output of the step up RF transformer (aka Tesla Coil) onto the capacitor plates. It is not being rectified to DC before application correct? Do you have any ideas about how this device is started and tested for effects?

Kind Regards
I just drew it from Akula's video of dismantling this TPU type unit, which was self-looped, providing 1 W output power.
I just find it interesting that polarizing space with HV AC E-field can induce currents in the vicinity around it.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Zephir on April 19, 2017, 02:34:36 AM
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I would say that..  8) You could try to eliminate the current/voltage demands/loses of powering source, if you would make the ferrite capacitor a portion of parallel LC resonance circuit. Though I don't know, if it wouldn't make the draining overunity energy from it more difficult, after than.

Let say, you could achieve quality factor of resonance circuit ~ 20 (a typical value for RC circuits) you can supply your device with twenty-times smaller current (~100 mA), and the circuit will still oscillate at 1.9 A. But the ESR loses cannot be eliminated in this way anyway. You can attempt to measure them at lower input voltage/current and attempt to extrapolate them to expected working voltage in 15 kV range. It would help you to estimate, whether your device has a chance for success (i.e. the overunity).

Quote from: KehYo77
I just find it interesting that polarizing space with HV AC E-field can induce currents in the vicinity around it.

Yes, but this is common aspect of all Tesla coils - they induce currents  all around them. A more powerful Tesla coil will fill up whole your house with AC field like the waveguide. It can form sparks and ignite fire at the places, where you wouldn't expect it (not to say about destruction of common electronics in sight).
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on April 19, 2017, 05:20:27 AM
Zephir, I don't want to mislead you. You're mixing two completely different devices. Here's my quote,

I hate spending time posting at forums. For anyone who works without my guidance trying to see the free energy effect, you MUST first test your entire setup in spice. There are a lot of gotchas. For example, signal gen leakage signal is out of phase with the voltage from the free energy effect. So if your sig gen produces say 20Vpp @ 900KHz, which causes a 2mV leakage signal, and the FE effect is 0.4mV, then you're not going to see much change when rotating the device relative to earth, about 50uV. That's why you need my guidance or you need to seriously know what you're doing and spend a lot of time thinking it out. As for self-runners, when you have a good core and everything's correct with 15KV+ on the core cap you should in the very least see 2V output with at least a few watts.

The 20Vpp @ 900KHz reference is talking about the free energy effect experiment, not the self runner. The 15KV is the self runner. It's not advisable to do the self-runner at 900KHz.

If you want to produce 15KV, efficiently, on the 20pF core cap, then you will want to find a good high permeability core. My first circuit using an amidon core (20uF, 2.3 ohm non reactive, @ 75KHz) produced 15KV on a 20pF cap with 2.6W core loss and 0.5W wire loss. It only gets better after that, my friend. Find a better core, better design, and you can get below a watt. Lower the frequency, even less loss. Now the not so easy task has become easy. :)
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Zephir on April 20, 2017, 03:03:45 AM
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If we place that charge inside a magnetic core/toroid, the charge magnetizes the cores in the same way electrical current flowing in a wire through a core would.  ... My first circuit using an amidon core (20uF, 2.3 ohm non reactive, @ 75KHz) produced 15KV on a 20pF cap with 2.6W core loss and 0.5W wire loss.

Well - but AMIDON cores are nonmagnetic ones, many of them are even composed of iron dust, so that they're conductive. Your first picture above illustrates yellow AMIDON core, which is just composed of iron dust It's insulated with thin layer of varnish, so it's surface isn't conductive - but you cannot create 15 kV voltage difference on block of iron dust molded with ceramic or epoxy.

So you have to use ferrite core (this one without varnish) and a pair of windings: one for magnetization of core, the second one for draining voltage from it. Or are you telling me, that the plain voltage pulse across material induces magnetic field within ferrite or ferrite dust? Why it should do it - and in which direction such a field should be oriented with respect to voltage pulse? Without additional magnetic field such a situation would be solely symmetric.

I hope you didn't push a current through a layer of iron dust with using of high voltage pulse and didn't detect the magnetic field induced with this pulse by coil. This would be very lame outcome of your alleged overunity - but everything is possible at this very forum... ;-)

Why not to draw some circuit scheme finally? If you would document your alleged experiments completely/properly, you wouldn't have to support anyone here - no matter if publicly or via PM. It would save your time - and our one too..
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: vasik041 on April 20, 2017, 10:24:22 AM
According to the standard model, applying ac voltage to the cap should NOT produce a voltage on the cores winding, but it does exist.

According to "standard model" there is magnetic field inside capacitor with all the following consequences...

http://teacher.nsrl.rochester.edu/phy122/Lecture_Notes/Chapter35/chapter35.html

Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Zephir on April 20, 2017, 07:19:14 PM
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According to "standard model" there is magnetic field inside capacitor with all the following consequences

I also got into the same conclusion: even if the core would be completely nonconductive, some stray AC current should be detectable around capacitor, i.e. around ferrite. Even without theory of some displacement current and similar stuffs - because: why it shouldn't be? The plates of capacitor serve as a dipole antenna spreading oscillating EM field between them. Why this field couldn't be detectable with common coil detector at every place of volume between capacitor plates?

Therefore the stray capacitive AC current should be detectable with coil even without any current leaking through ferrite. This doesn't mean, that @Technical_Research couldn't be on something - but the inductive source of output voltage should be definitely subtracted from results in his experiment.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: ARMCORTEX on April 20, 2017, 08:37:39 PM
Zephir you came to no conclusion.

You dont even understand differential equations, nor do you have a single overunity design to your name.

You are gonna talk on this forum for the next 10 years I know it.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Vortex1 on April 20, 2017, 08:49:52 PM
The coil windings in TR's device are 90 degrees different than shown in the  drawing just posted by Zephir reply #36.

In other words, the coil is not between the capacitor plates, but forms a loop that encompasses the capacitor plates.

So just turn the coil in that drawing 90 degrees.

Regards
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Zephir on April 20, 2017, 08:49:54 PM
@Armcortex: I see, A) how long you're posting here and B) which overunity design do you have (link)?

Quote from: Vortex1
The coil windings are 90 degrees different than shown in the  drawing just posted.

You're perfectly right, the coil perpendicular to plane of capacitor plates would capture only subtle tensor component of passing capacitive current. Sorry for misinterpretation of geometry of @Technical_Research's device.

The existence of the displacement current component is indisputable, but it cannot have large practical meaning here - we all know, that the output signal from ferrite coil based radio ceases to zero, once we keep its wrong orientation with respect to transceiver. So that once we measure substantial signal under such a situation, then something would be wrong with our interpretation of Maxwell's equations. What @Technical_Research is saying in essence is, his ferrite not only detects radio-signal during wrong orientation with respect to transceiver, but it is even able to achieve overunity during it.

One explanation of this controversy could be just the Floyd Sweet (http://www.rexresearch.com/sweet3/sweet3.htm) (1 (https://youtu.be/UVhGQaESKEI), 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOJ_sFy6BQU), 3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFarS-liuBY)) and Manelas (https://ecatsite.wordpress.com/manelas-device/) effect, which I mentioned above. At high intensities of electric field the magnetic domains within ferromagnetic materials can be reoriented in similar way, like with passing magnetic field (which is opposite of ferroelectric effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferroelectricity) in essence). What Floyd/Manelas is saying, with proper electric pulse the magnetic domains within block of ferrite could be reoriented in such a metastable way, they will create a new Bloch wall boundary within their volume and structured magnetic field capable to levitate magnetic bodies around it (between others).

In my theory (http://overunity.com/15124/simplest-theory-of-overunity-devices-possible) the overunity may follow from metastable reorientation of ferromagnetic domains (analogy of negentropic phenomena like the undercooling or overheating). The return of magnetic domains into their equilibrial state can be assisted with vacuum/thermal fluctuations of the material, which would exert an usable work in this way. These non-equilibrial negentropic phenomena (which are all around us) can therefore serve as a key for practical utilization of overunity in analogous way, like the equilibrial phenomena are already utilized for entropic transitions and conversion of energy in accordance to thermodynamics laws (Carnot cycle for example).

The metastability of magnetic domains can be observed easily as so-called magnetic hysteresis, magnetic delay (viscosity) and Barkhaussen noise (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLXVLDysroY) effects. During changes of magnetic field the magnetic domains of ferromagnets don't follow the changes of magnetic field smoothly, but they reorient itself just after while in step-wise manner - these jumps in magnetization can be detected with coil wound around material. In my theory just the moments during which the magnetic domains "wait" for their reorientation under tension can be utilized for conversion of heat into electric energy against II. law of thermodynamics and into drawing "free energy" from it.

If this theory is correct, then we should detect the Barkhaussen noise from ferrite rods not only during their magnetization, but also during its polarization within electric field in similar way, which @Technical_Research is using. Sweet recommends the usage of barium ferrite for it, which is more conductive than the common ferrites used today.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Zephir on April 21, 2017, 03:22:37 AM
@Vortex1 kindly pointed me again to the fact, that the coil collecting output signal should be placed over capacitor plates, not beneath them. But because the device requires high AC voltage at the capacitor, I'd recommend to decouple the coil and capacitor completely and to measure output signal from longer ferrite rod, where the capacitor can be shielded from induction coil with grounded cover. This will eliminate the stray current, which @Theoretical_Research did talk about at the beginning and the need of their complex separation (FFT?) from output.

Or you can measure the signal from another arm of ferrite core, than this one, which you will use for energizing with capacitor. Such an arrangement will indeed decrease the power output, because portion of ferrite volume will not be energized anymore - but it will eliminate the risk of leaking of stray currents from capacitor into the coil.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on April 21, 2017, 04:23:41 AM
Hi guys. Sorry if there's any confusion. The first post in this thread shows a photo of the first core I used for the EGS effect experiment.

http://overunity.com/17236/witness-the-free-energy-effect/msg504603/#msg504603

Hopefully it's clear in the photo that the outter core has copper foil (connect to ground), and the inner part of the core also has copper foil. The two copper foils are not connected to each other. See the link for LTspice file if you're interested in building the EGS effect experiment. It is extremely important to enter all the correct parameters in the spice file according to your core and equipment, even your scope probe capacitance. Generally speaking probe cap in 10X is 12pF and 1X is 120pF, but can vary a lot. It is extremely important to measure the core inductance and the capacitance of the two copper foil plates at the frequency you will be using. LCR meters will give you incorrect readings because that's usually low frequency inductance and capacitance. Again I only recommend using the tv high voltage flyback rectangle cores. I'm certain there are much better cores, but they're the best ones I've tested. Measure the resistance of the core with your DVM to be certain it's not a good electrically conductor. Place your DMV leads near each other. It should be over 100Mohm.

LTspice file

When time permits I'll pass on the digital EGS effect experiment LTspice circuit.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Zephir on April 21, 2017, 06:22:36 AM
Hi, Theoretical Research,

thank You for your attention and kind support...:-) I'll check the Spice file for sure.

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It's difficult because the electro-gravity-space effect voltage is extremely small compared to the voltage on the capacitor, which produces significant leakage due to stray capacitance.

What do you say about my proposal for elimination of the stray capacitance by separation of coil and capacitor with shielding? Will the effect still persist in your device? It should..
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: vasik041 on April 21, 2017, 01:22:06 PM
Hi guys. Sorry if there's any confusion. The first post in this thread shows a photo of the first core I used for the EGS effect experiment.

http://overunity.com/17236/witness-the-free-energy-effect/msg504603/#msg504603 (http://overunity.com/17236/witness-the-free-energy-effect/msg504603/#msg504603)

Hopefully it's clear in the photo that the outter core has copper foil (connect to ground), and the inner part of the core also has copper foil. The two copper foils are not connected to each other. See the link for LTspice file if you're interested in building the EGS effect experiment. It is extremely important to enter all the correct parameters in the spice file according to your core and equipment, even your scope probe capacitance. Generally speaking probe cap in 10X is 12pF and 1X is 120pF, but can vary a lot. It is extremely important to measure the core inductance and the capacitance of the two copper foil plates at the frequency you will be using. LCR meters will give you incorrect readings because that's usually low frequency inductance and capacitance. Again I only recommend using the tv high voltage flyback rectangle cores. I'm certain there are much better cores, but they're the best ones I've tested. Measure the resistance of the core with your DVM to be certain it's not a good electrically conductor. Place your DMV leads near each other. It should be over 100Mohm.

LTspice file

When time permits I'll pass on the digital EGS effect experiment LTspice circuit.

Hi Theoretical Research,

It would be nice if you can draw simple diagram to illustrate your setup.
I still not sure what you propose to test.

Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Vortex1 on April 21, 2017, 03:06:20 PM
Shielding as suggested by Zephir is certainly a good idea and worth exploring, in fact the whole device should also be foil shielded to eliminate stray mains and other interference.

You may be interested in my early experiments with a core here under username ION:

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=302.msg60861#msg60861 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=302.msg60861#msg60861)

I am considering using a simple passive bridge arrangement where the output signal is nulled against the input signal in the hopes of higher differentation of the gravity signal.

This can be accomplished simply with a multiturn potentiometer across the driving source. One end of the coil output comes to the slider of the potentiometer. Proper phasing of the coil should allow  for a null signal when the potentiometer is adjusted to match the coil output. Then variations of position should yield a reasonable signal.

With the addition of some simple R's and C's even the phase can be nulled. The final output can be further amplified if desired or necessary. An op amp can also be used to null the signal against the drive, but I like passive.

Regards
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on April 21, 2017, 07:33:00 PM
Hi, Theoretical Research,

thank You for your attention and kind support...:-) I'll check the Spice file for sure.

What do you say about my proposal for elimination of the stray capacitance by separation of coil and capacitor with shielding? Will the effect still persist in your device? It should..

If you're talking about putting metal in the inner part of the core, then that will reduce the EGS effect. It causes an increase in capacitance, which acts to cancel the inner core charge during each cycle.

We can use the scope channel 2 as a means to cancel the signal.

Or better yet the digital version which uses a pulse which causes a LR decay which a cmos switch passes a section to an op-amp thus producing a DC output with low pass filter.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on April 21, 2017, 08:51:56 PM
Hi Theoretical Research,

It would be nice if you can draw simple diagram to illustrate your setup.
I still not sure what you propose to test.

It's difficult to show the physical construction in a spice diagram. I drew a quick crude drawing with my tablet & pen. See attached image. I could dismantle my setup and record a video of the core, but youtube has always destroyed the video quality making it difficult to see individual components.

The scope probe channel 1 is connected to the 10 ohm resistor. Channel 2 is connect to the signal gen. The black cable in the drawing is connected to the signal gen.

The drawing shows 3 turns, but I would recommend 10 turns.

The orange areas are copper foil.

The yellow area is balsa wood or plastic. There are two sheets of balsa / plastic-- inner and outer. The drawing only shows outer. The balsa / plastic goes on the round part of the core. Actually the outer part should be plastic since it does not need to reduce the dielectric. The inner part can be balsa or plastic.

R_bottom is a 2K resistor connected to the inner copper foil, the bottom part of the core. R_top is a 2K resistor connected to the inner copper foil, the top part of the core. Both R_bottom and R_top are connected to the coax cable.

R5 is a resistor connected to the outer part of the cores copper foil. R5 is connected to the coax cable ground.

The entire outer part of the core is wrapped in copper foil, one layer. Same goes for inner core.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Zephir on April 21, 2017, 09:53:05 PM
Hi, TR and than you very much for clarification of another details, which indeed explained a lot. No video is actually necessary, the scheme is OK and I can redraw it in some SW later.

But couldn't the copper foil be just omitted at the place of coil? It would eliminate some stray currents induced into the coil from copper foil. It could be also surrounded/underlayed with stripe of grounded sparse mesh or conductive pasta for shielding from the rest of ferrite, as Vertex1 is proposing...

And why the 2K resistors R_top, R_bottom and R4 resistors were used - for impedance match, protection of generator from short or something else? Why the device isn't grounded (i.e. connected to ground of generator cable) directly? With floating ground your device will be intensive source of radiation even at the 900 kHz / 20V and you could detect stray voltages at all places of it. You would measure some signal everywhere in this arrangement: the presence of stray voltage will not be evidence of anything specific, overunity the less.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on April 21, 2017, 11:29:44 PM
In the drawing and ltspice file the outer copper foil is connected the coax ground.

In real life experiments I could place the device 1/2 inch away from my hands or body without any noticeable change in output. It was unaffected by electronic devices, tvs, etc. due to the 10 ohm resistor.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: vasik041 on April 22, 2017, 07:10:03 AM
Hi Theoretical Research,

thank you for detailed drawing and explanations.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Zephir on April 22, 2017, 07:43:20 AM
Test circuit scheme from the LTSpice IV file provided by @Theoretical_Research above. 30M Self-adhesive Conductive Copper Slug Tape (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/30M-Adhesive-Conductive-Copper-Slug-Roll-Tape-Repellent-Guitar-Pickup-EMI-Shield-/122198590723?var=&hash=item1c739a8503:m:mVJcIZwc4qrPtKyxeGQRKTQ), which can be used for coil shielding (it's nonconductive at the tape side, so that no short winding should be formed). According to FEMM simulation (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=302.msg60869#msg60869) the placing of low dielectric material (such as balsa wood) between the copper foil and core should significantly decrease charge cancellation, depending on balsa wood thickness.  @Theoretical_Research provided additional useful tips for replication in the another forum here (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3447.msg60869#msg60869). Initial testing of the TV yoke core using the same procedure by @partman produced null results though.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on April 22, 2017, 05:20:28 PM
Thanks. I don't think partzman has built the EGS effect circuit yet. He did some initial tests on a flyback core using a circuit according to how he thought I might be doing the experiment and got a change in voltage when rotating the core, although I don't know how much. I suspect it was a small change, but I haven't analyzed his scope shots. Partzman I think repeated that same setup of his using a flyback core and got no results. In his first test using the flyback core he noticed the effect was observable at certain harmonics. I believe that's because the phase angle between the EGS voltage and signal generator leakage at those specific harmonics were in phase enough to see the EGS voltage. When he takes the core measurements, enters them into the ltspice sim, adjusts the ltspice params as describe in the instructions, then he should definitely see the EGS effect. Although it appears he's already seen the EGS effect.

"Interestingly, there are differences in amplitudes of certain harmonics.  The R3(wht) trace is the stored FFT when the core is in one position, and the Math(red) trace is with the core flipped 180 degrees." partzman
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3447.msg60838#msg60838
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Zephir on April 22, 2017, 05:43:34 PM
@Theoretical_Research: I'm afraid, that the overunity effect which requires careful simulation in Spice and subtracting the results for to manifest itself has no chance for practical success anyway. What we need for occasional overunity is the arrangement, which would generate output voltage in robust way without need of any simulations, i.e. out of explanation by stray capacitive currents with classical physics. From this reason I would NOT place the output coil over the capacitor foil - but at free space at safe distance from it, preferably to  another arm of torus free of capacitor foil.

If it will kill the output signal from the coil, then it would also mean, that the capacitor foil isn't actually required in other places of ferrite, than just under the coil - which is strange with respect to your theory and it would also indicate the capacitive artifact instead of real phenomena. If the output signal will still persist, it will be great - but it would also mean, that no LTSpice simulations are actually necessary and that we can reproduce the effect by introduction the voltage gradient at random place anywhere along ferrite - which would enable us to isolate the output coil from polarizing input voltage completely. In addition I would cover the coil with grounding tape for to avoid any stray voltage leaking into it from outside.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on April 22, 2017, 06:07:17 PM
Hi Zephir. I guess we see it differently? Posting at two forums takes too much time. I'll be at the other forum if anyone wants to contact me.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: vasik041 on April 22, 2017, 06:57:00 PM
Hi Zephir. I guess we see it differently? Posting at two forums takes too much time. I'll be at the other forum if anyone wants to contact me.

sadly, not everyone can register there  :(
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Zephir on April 22, 2017, 07:54:17 PM
We also shouldn't forget (IMO very important) remark of @kEhYo77 (http://overunity.com/17236/witness-the-free-energy-effect/msg504793/#msg504793), that the @Theoretical_Research's device is conceptually similar to famous Akula's 1Watt TPU coil, which has been demonstrated to be a selfrunner including its complete dismantling before camera (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cqk7fijGG8). This TPU utilized some grey brittle plastic(?) instead of metal or ferrite in its core (it's even mentioned explicitly as a "kunststoff" during video). Maybe the ferrite is not actually needed for to demonstrate the TR's effect at the end - which would be great.

BTW The last version of LTSpice file (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3447.0;attach=24709) from TR is a version that works with LTspice IV. It didn't like the permitivity symbol ε so he changed it to permittivity (relative permittivity). I experienced a similar problem with it.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on April 22, 2017, 07:58:47 PM
Nice. I like akula videos. My 2nd device was an air core. The math & physics does not require it to be magnetic core. I've spent most my time on magnetic core designs but would like to get back to the air core versions. I use 4NEC2 to obtain radiation resistance if need be.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on April 22, 2017, 08:07:48 PM
Someone was asking why there are so many self runners in Russia. I don't know if that's true, but it would be interesting for someone to take EGS effect measurements and perhaps even magnetic field measurements in the areas of Russia where these self runners are doing well. … I find it … interesting … that Russia is considerably closer to the poles. Perhaps people in Alaska would also do well. This gets into theory, though. What the theoretical math is referring to is not the B-field, but space flow (velocity). So you can actually have a weak magnetic field such as earth but given large radius the space flow velocity can be significant.

Kinda wishing I lived in Alaska, perhaps even Russia. Maybe these devices work anywhere up there.

ps the intent of EGS effect experiment is to measure any space flow velocity.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Zephir on April 22, 2017, 08:12:28 PM
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My 2nd device was an air core. The math & physics does not require it to be magnetic core.

That's great as it would radically decrease the cost of device and simplified its design (ferrite cores are expensive and they cannot be shaped, also their dielectric strength is nothing spectacular). It would also explain, why the coil must be placed OVER the capacitor and not only this - it must be placed over WHOLE volume of capacitor plates (gravitoelectric effect works only in field deformed with capacitor). If the effect would require ferrite (Floyd Sweet effect) to work, then the device wouldn't need large coil and this coil could be even placed outside the cap for to eliminate the stray artifacts.

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Someone was asking why there are so many self runners in Russia

I'd guess it has rather something to do with inquisitive exploratory nature of Slavic spirit, which isn't so constrained with utilitarian conventions, as the Western world or with collectivism like the Asians. Many findings credited to Western scientists were actually observed in Russia first and they were subsequently ignored or forgotten. Recently I found a wast repository (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4XhOeM4t0VyWz4-kgOzZGA) of interesting inventions and findings, provided for money. Some of them are probably a silly artifacts or fakes, but many of them look very promising. Their expertise would consume a whole new board without problem.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on April 23, 2017, 07:24:26 AM
We also shouldn't forget (IMO very important) remark of @kEhYo77 (http://overunity.com/17236/witness-the-free-energy-effect/msg504793/#msg504793), that the @Theoretical_Research's device is conceptually similar to famous Akula's 1Watt TPU coil, which has been demonstrated to be a selfrunner including its complete dismantling before camera (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cqk7fijGG8). This TPU utilized some grey brittle plastic(?) instead of metal or ferrite in its core (it's even mentioned explicitly as a "kunststoff" during video). Maybe the ferrite is not actually needed for to demonstrate the TR's effect at the end - which would be great.

BTW The last version of LTSpice file (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3447.0;attach=24709) from TR is a version that works with LTspice IV. It didn't like the permitivity symbol ε so he changed it to permittivity (relative permittivity). I experienced a similar problem with it.

Quesion about akula diagram: How output coil 4 is outputting current? its orientation is wrong in relation to inductor/tesla coil and also tesla coil is shielded with metal plates. However the interesting part is that a EM waves are coming from primary to secondary (transformer action) tesla THROUGH electrostatic field of charged capacitor (the field between the charged plates),this electrostatic field wont be perfectly static because this capacitor voltage will fluctuate since its resonating with coil.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: vasik041 on April 23, 2017, 07:30:45 AM
Someone was asking why there are so many self runners in Russia.

Don't be naive, most of them fakes or 1st April jokes  ;)
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: partzman on April 23, 2017, 04:00:13 PM
For those interested, I have had positive bench results testing TR's EGS effect that may be seen on OURdotcom on the "Theoretical Research Device" thread.  You do not need to be a member to view the contents of the thread but do if you wish to post.  The results agree closely with the simulation of the core assembly which is a ferrite TV yoke with copper foils and a 10 turn sense coil.

Regards,

PM
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: vasik041 on April 23, 2017, 05:31:46 PM
For those interested, I have had positive bench results testing TR's EGS effect that may be seen on OURdotcom on the "Theoretical Research Device" thread.  You do not need to be a member to view the contents of the thread but do if you wish to post.  The results agree closely with the simulation of the core assembly which is a ferrite TV yoke with copper foils and a 10 turn sense coil.

Regards,

PM

Hi Partzman,

Thanks for posting this.
To make sure that effect is "real" I would suggest you trying change polarity of signal generator and repeat the experiment.
Then change polarity of the sense coil and again repeat experiment.
This way you easily see how ground connections (and other stray capacitances) affect your measurements.

Regards,
V.

Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: partzman on April 23, 2017, 07:15:20 PM
Hi Partzman,

Thanks for posting this.
To make sure that effect is "real" I would suggest you trying change polarity of signal generator and repeat the experiment.
Then change polarity of the sense coil and again repeat experiment.
This way you easily see how ground connections (and other stray capacitances) affect your measurements.

Regards,
V.

V.,

You're welcome.  You have a good suggestion that I will try as there are many more tests planned to both confirm and improve the outcome.  We hope TR will release some test info on the air core design as it seems difficult to find suitable ferrite cores that meet his requirements for successful replication.

Regards,
PM
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on April 23, 2017, 08:00:03 PM
For those interested, I have had positive bench results testing TR's EGS effect that may be seen on OURdotcom on the "Theoretical Research Device" thread.  You do not need to be a member to view the contents of the thread but do if you wish to post.  The results agree closely with the simulation of the core assembly which is a ferrite TV yoke with copper foils and a 10 turn sense coil.

Regards,

PM
Awesome! I've had relatively stable results with the first core I used, although it did fluctuate a bit, but the overall voltage was close to my spice sim. Hopefully your tv yoke core will be stable as well. Although you'll probably see the fluctuations over time, but get a good idea of what the average signal is when rotating the core with respect to earth's surface. My flyback core though, wow, it's an amazing core for a self runner with respect that it has incredibly low non-conductive R, but what I'm seeing so far is that it is extremely unstable. Yesterday it appears the flyback core's non-conductive R was through the roof (high). It will be interesting to see what type of hysteresis loop it has (square loop, flat ...). I do not believe the instability of the flyback is do to the fact that the core is split. I’ve tested this core’s non-conductive R with and without the plastic spacers. The R decreased a bit with the spacers, as expected. What I saw yesterday was abnormally high non-conductive R. So much that I could barely see a slight resonance hump in a frequency sweep. Furthermore, after turning the equipment off for about a half hour and going back to the experiment, the flyback performed beautifully again, but that lasted a few minutes. Right before my eyes I saw the core change characteristics.

Good news is that it appears tv yokes are a great choice. They have low inductance, but due to their wide surface area they offer significant increase in capacitance for the copper foil. :)
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on April 23, 2017, 11:12:41 PM
Quote
but get a good idea of what the average signal is when rotating the core with respect to earth's surface

Wait,  what?? so if someone here can demonstrate a power change when device is oriented at different angles with respect to earth (just like in S.Mark, Hendershot devices) than this would be a huge breakthrough, a something really SPECIAL.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on October 27, 2017, 03:57:28 AM
Wait,  what?? so if someone here can demonstrate a power change when device is oriented at different angles with respect to earth (just like in S.Mark, Hendershot devices) than this would be a huge breakthrough, a something really SPECIAL.

It's true. I just finished testing a new design, tamed down version, that produces a change of about one tenth of a volt (no amplification needed) by physically flipping the device. That was the predicted voltage according to a LTspice sim using my best spice model of the Metglas 3210P4AF magnetic core. The untamed version should produce close to one volt. This is the 3rd version. The 1st version that I’ve called the digital pulsed version worked every time, but required an amp gain of 10,000. The 2nd version that I’ve called the single frequency version worked on rare occasion, and also required high amp gain to see the voltage change. I now know exactly why the 2nd version is a bad design. The 3rd version that I finished today works every time, and doesn’t require an amplification. I should add that LTspice correctly predicts the 2nd version experiments as well.

This device was secured to a long plastic pole, about 7 feet long, and placed about 6 feet above ground. The long pole is placed horizontally parallel to Earth's ground, and then rotated so that the core flips between facing toward Earth, and away from Earth. This allowed me to rotate the device by rotating the end of the pole. In one position the device is facing down. The other position the device is facing up.

See the attached photos. The circuit is blacked out until I learn it’s okay to release this technology because this design is too close to a self runner. I was advised to release this technology in 2020. Possibly sooner. Please don't ask why!

Metglas cores are not a good choice for self runners. It’s best to use extremely efficient cores, cores that have extremely high resistivity, e.g., 2e+8 ohm·cm, low magnetic viscosity, and as high permeability as possible, but permeability is not as important.

I’m told by a source that I trust 100% that the effect is not due to space accelerating to Earth, but is caused by a spinning vortex of space that *tends* to follow the magnetic field, but not exactly. Therefore, in theory I would expect the polarity of this device to flip if I were to cross the Earth’s equator. Similarly, I would expect the effect to intensify as one approaches the north and south poles, e.g., countries such as Russia. Hint, hint. ;)

I’m also told that magnetic materials also produce the space vortex, but the magnetic field intensity is not the only factor. I believe the space flow velocity is relative to sqrt(diameter) * B. Earth’s magnetic field is weak, but the planet is large. So it’s possible to make a self-runner that’s independent of Earth’s space vortex.

This technology is about producing an intense magnetic field within a perpendicular electric field within perpendicular space flow. The E-field does not have to come from a conventional capacitor, e.g., two metal plates. Wires around a coil also produce E-fields (V/m). Wires in a coil can produce tens of 1000s of volts. When you an intense B-field perpendicular within an intense E-field, both within an intense space vortex that is perpendicular to both the B-field and E-field, you cause a force that either pushes against or with the space flow. If the device is pushing against the space flow, you get free energy. If it’s pushing in the same direction as the space flow, you lose energy.

Last, the weight of the devices that tap into Earth’s space vortex can change by a noticeable amount in high power devices.

Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: ramset on October 27, 2017, 10:57:01 AM

Theoretical Research

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Quote

Wait,  what?? so if someone here can demonstrate a power change
when device is oriented at different angles with respect to earth
(just like in S.Mark, Hendershot devices) than this would be a
huge breakthrough, a something really SPECIAL.

end quote

Theoretical Research

Quote

It's true. I just finished testing a new design, tamed down version,
that produces a change of about one tenth of a volt (no amplification needed)
by physically flipping the device. That was the predicted voltage according to a
LTspice sim using my best spice model of the Metglas 3210P4AF magnetic core.
The untamed version should produce close to one volt. This is the 3rd version.
The 1st version that I’ve called the digital pulsed version worked every time, but
required an amp gain of 10,000. The 2nd version that I’ve called the single frequency
version worked on rare occasion, and also required high amp gain to see the voltage
change. I now know exactly why the 2nd version is a bad design. The 3rd version
that I finished today works every time, and doesn’t require an amplification. I should
add that LTspice correctly predicts the 2nd version experiments as well.

This device was secured to a long plastic pole, about 7 feet long, and placed about 6 feet
above ground. The long pole is placed horizontally parallel to Earth's ground, and then
rotated so that the core flips between facing toward Earth, and away from Earth. This
allowed me to rotate the device by rotating the end of the pole. In one position the device
is facing down. The other position the device is facing up.

See the attached photos. The circuit is blacked out until I learn it’s okay to
release this technology because this design is too close to a self runner. I was

Metglas cores are not a good choice for self runners. It’s best to use extremely
efficient cores, cores that have extremely high resistivity, e.g., 2e+8 ohm·cm,
low magnetic viscosity, and as high permeability as possible, but permeability
is not as important.

I’m told by a source that I trust 100% that the effect is not due to space accelerating
to Earth, but is caused by a spinning vortex of space that *tends* to follow the
magnetic field, but not exactly. Therefore, in theory I would expect the polarity of
this device to flip if I were to cross the Earth’s equator. Similarly, I would expect
the effect to intensify as one approaches the north and south poles, e.g., countries
such as Russia. Hint, hint. ;)

I’m also told that magnetic materials also produce the space vortex, but the magnetic
field intensity is not the only factor. I believe the space flow velocity is relative
to sqrt(diameter) * B. Earth’s magnetic field is weak, but the planet is large. So
it’s possible to make a self-runner that’s independent of Earth’s space vortex.

This technology is about producing an intense magnetic field within a perpendicular
electric field within perpendicular space flow. The E-field does not have to come from
a conventional capacitor, e.g., two metal plates. Wires around a coil also produce
E-fields (V/m). Wires in a coil can produce tens of 1000s of volts. When you an
intense B-field perpendicular within an intense E-field, both within an intense space
vortex that is perpendicular to both the B-field and E-field, you cause a force that
either pushes against or with the space flow. If the device is pushing against the space
flow, you get free energy. If it’s pushing in the same direction as the space flow,
you lose energy.

Last, the weight of the devices that tap into Earth’s space vortex can change by a noticeable amount in high power devices.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on October 27, 2017, 03:12:08 PM
Is there a way to turn it into a thumbnail image that's clickable?
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on October 27, 2017, 03:51:12 PM
Regarding personal messages to build a device to witness the free energy, and anyone who’s interested. Here are the 3 options:

The Red pill
The only way I’ll help people from this point forward is to use exact part numbers for key components such as the magnetic core, MOSFET, and timer chip. That means you’ll need to buy a core from Amidon. If enough people agree to replicate this, then I’ll come up with a design that demonstrates the space flow effect without making it too obvious how to make a self runner.

The Blue pill
Do nothing, and just wait till humanity is ready and responsible enough for this technology, which will indeed eventually allow any individual on Earth to literally destroy the entire planet. No reply necessary.

The Purple pill
Have a well known and trustworthy person from OU meet me at some location out here near LAX where they will have full access to a device that will demonstrate the space flow effect. That way nobody has to build anything. This person has the option of bringing the amidon core (wound) and whatever other parts they wish so that they can drop it in the device.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: ramset on October 27, 2017, 04:25:40 PM
this image size issue has been a thorn over here for a long time [easy to do accidentally]
on the other topic?
we do have a few very trusted friends on your coast who might be able to help with  this ?

one in particular [Smokey 2]
I haven't spoken to in quite some time ,a very cool fellow who recently relocated out there.

I'll ring him today for sure.

respectfully
Chet K
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: kampen on October 27, 2017, 07:51:13 PM
Dear, please count me in for the RED pill.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: FatBird on October 27, 2017, 11:31:09 PM
Theoretical Research mentioned rotating magnetic fields.  Click on
the Link below to see how a North Pole rotates it CW & a South
Pole rotates it CCW.

.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on October 28, 2017, 01:58:30 AM
It's true. I just finished testing a new design, tamed down version, that produces a change of about one tenth of a volt (no amplification needed) by physically flipping the device. That was the predicted voltage according to a LTspice sim using my best spice model of the Metglas 3210P4AF magnetic core. The untamed version should produce close to one volt. This is the 3rd version. The 1st version that I’ve called the digital pulsed version worked every time, but required an amp gain of 10,000. The 2nd version that I’ve called the single frequency version worked on rare occasion, and also required high amp gain to see the voltage change. I now know exactly why the 2nd version is a bad design. The 3rd version that I finished today works every time, and doesn’t require an amplification. I should add that LTspice correctly predicts the 2nd version experiments as well.

This device was secured to a long plastic pole, about 7 feet long, and placed about 6 feet above ground. The long pole is placed horizontally parallel to Earth's ground, and then rotated so that the core flips between facing toward Earth, and away from Earth. This allowed me to rotate the device by rotating the end of the pole. In one position the device is facing down. The other position the device is facing up.

See the attached photos. The circuit is blacked out until I learn it’s okay to release this technology because this design is too close to a self runner. I was advised to release this technology in 2020. Possibly sooner. Please don't ask why!

Metglas cores are not a good choice for self runners. It’s best to use extremely efficient cores, cores that have extremely high resistivity, e.g., 2e+8 ohm·cm, low magnetic viscosity, and as high permeability as possible, but permeability is not as important.

I’m told by a source that I trust 100% that the effect is not due to space accelerating to Earth, but is caused by a spinning vortex of space that *tends* to follow the magnetic field, but not exactly. Therefore, in theory I would expect the polarity of this device to flip if I were to cross the Earth’s equator. Similarly, I would expect the effect to intensify as one approaches the north and south poles, e.g., countries such as Russia. Hint, hint. ;)

I’m also told that magnetic materials also produce the space vortex, but the magnetic field intensity is not the only factor. I believe the space flow velocity is relative to sqrt(diameter) * B. Earth’s magnetic field is weak, but the planet is large. So it’s possible to make a self-runner that’s independent of Earth’s space vortex.

This technology is about producing an intense magnetic field within a perpendicular electric field within perpendicular space flow. The E-field does not have to come from a conventional capacitor, e.g., two metal plates. Wires around a coil also produce E-fields (V/m). Wires in a coil can produce tens of 1000s of volts. When you an intense B-field perpendicular within an intense E-field, both within an intense space vortex that is perpendicular to both the B-field and E-field, you cause a force that either pushes against or with the space flow. If the device is pushing against the space flow, you get free energy. If it’s pushing in the same direction as the space flow, you lose energy.

Last, the weight of the devices that tap into Earth’s space vortex can change by a noticeable amount in high power devices.

Theoretical Research, there is a SOLID theory behind your device, not some bullshit about energy from nothing however, we must remember that by taking energy from something that is moving we would slow down its movement so in your case... can you slow down the cosmic wheelwork of nature? I'm extremely exited about this technology, in fact, once I was thinking about building something similar but I gave up because "if it were so simple than such generator would be invented and distributed long time ago". PLEASE can you make a video of the effect?  (1 volt changing without any amplifier due to change of device position)
also, IF I shoot a charged HV capacitor from cannon and if this cap flies through a coil, would any current be induced?
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on October 28, 2017, 07:40:17 AM
Theoretical Research, there is a SOLID theory behind your device, not some bullshit about energy from nothing however, we must remember that by taking energy from something that is moving we would slow down its movement so in your case... can you slow down the cosmic wheelwork of nature? I'm extremely exited about this technology, in fact, once I was thinking about building something similar but I gave up because "if it were so simple than such generator would be invented and distributed long time ago". PLEASE can you make a video of the effect?  (1 volt changing without any amplifier due to change of device position)
also, IF I shoot a charged HV capacitor from cannon and if this cap flies through a coil, would any current be induced?

Interesting questions. It’s true that the math comes from classical mechanics. The unknown is the planet’s vortex of space flow.

I'm told that when such a device takes energy from the planets vortex that a cloud of fine particles can form around the device, and thus the planet would actually gain mass. This Earth’s magnetic field is not affected. The energy comes from what mainstream knows as the vacuum. I would like to add my personal observations. The first time I saw such a high power device I panicked because I swear there was faint smoke coming from the device. I thought my MOSFET was burning up. I see this faint smoke effect every time when the device is powered on. I don’t know how I can see this faint smoke, but have often wondered if other people would see it. It’s a mystery. Maybe it’s just a psychological effect? Idk. Has anyone ever noticed something like that?
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on October 28, 2017, 07:06:37 PM
PLEASE can you make a video of the effect?  (1 volt changing without any amplifier due to change of device position)
also, IF I shoot a charged HV capacitor from cannon and if this cap flies through a coil, would any current be induced?

Regarding your other questions. Yes, sure, a charged cap flying through a coil would induce a voltage on the coil.

A video? Here’s an old video I uploaded on youtube for myself on Feb 28, 2016. It’s unlisted on youtube and was never intended to be made public.
I might take a short video of the 3rd design for personal reasons and post the unlisted link here, but I'd like to build and publish design 4, an air core design.

My 1st design
https://youtu.be/1jjn-GhG5es

The DVM in the video was in millivolts. The op-amp gain was 10,000. The exact part #s, including the Metglas magnetic core part # and circuit, were published on another site, but I removed it because the design is no longer supported due to the discovery of what I’ve referred to as the colossal space flow voltage effect. The reason I started making these experiments is to attempt to understand what’s happening. Back then I theorized gravity was caused by the acceleration of space toward Earth and was moving at ~ 11.2 km/s at the surface. I also came up with the 1st equation, which was based on charge in the capacitor foil that was within the magnetic core producing a magnetic field due to the charge moving through space. If the charge was oscillating between + and -, then I hoped this would produce an oscillating magnetic field in the magnetic core. Well, the device that I built based on the equations worked. Some very smart people who claimed to have undisclosed science & technology that I could only describe as what one would see in the Star Trek movies answered a lot of my questions about my experiment and theory. BTW, on numerous occasions these people have given me physical evidence of their existence. :D They said that space is not accelerating on Earth like I’ve theorized. They said charged particles in my device would not cause produce a measurable magnetic field in the core due to the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. They said space does flow on Earth, and that the intrinsic spin of particles such as electrons produce a vortex of spinning space, but due to certain properties, e.g., space is attracted to mass (simply stated), and therefore space doesn’t flow the exact path of the magnetic field. Anyhow, while designing a space propulsion system I discovered that the propulsion device was nearly identical to the device seen in the above video with the exception of electrical current. The old designs, 1 & 2, were based on equation #1 that did not require current to produce the effect. The space propulsion device was based on a new equation, equation #2, which also predicted the experimental results. Basically, the two equations are related. Equation #1 is based on magnetic fields while the equation #2 is based on electric fields. Equation #1 did not require a moving charge, relatively speaking. Equation #2 requires moving charge. And that is the precise reason my 2nd device, the single frequency design, did not work unless there was some external source that would cause current in the coil, including thermal Johnson noise. I did too well of a job in the 2nd design to prevent current. And so design 3 is the complete opposite. It produces a good amount of current in the coil. Albeit the circuit is easily improved. The pulses are way too short for my MOSFETs, ~ 300ns off & 400ns on, which causes heating. I should buy some appropriate MOSFETs. There are no plans to fiddle with design 3. It worked great, but it would probably help to increase the pulse width, and then adjust other areas of the circuit. Who knows. The space flow effect might produce a few dozen volts or more.

Anyhow, that’s getting into theory, which I don’t want to talk about in this thread. So that's a video of design 1. There's a small chance, maybe 20%, that I'll post a video of design 3.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on October 29, 2017, 02:35:09 AM
Theoretical Research thank you for the video, well done! but I don't quite understand why core become magnetized... sure, the charge in motion produces magnetic field but the problem is that the magnetic core is moving with charged plates and observer and entire planet. The Rowland disk experiment demonstrate this: to detect magnetic field compass has to be stationary when charged disk is spinning.

https://www.edumedia-sciences.com/en/media/108-rowlands-disk
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on October 29, 2017, 02:43:03 AM
I'll try to go over the math one of these days in a thread dedicated to that. The effect is based on the permittivity of the vacuum.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on October 29, 2017, 05:31:41 PM
I’ll just briefly go over the math and mechanics here.

To understand the mechanics we need to look at what’s happening inside dielectric material. When a voltage in a capacitor such as mylar is applied to the two plates an electric field is formed that causes the electrons in the mylar to move closer to the positive plate. Since the mylar is an electrical insulator, the electrons don’t move far, but there are a lot of them. While the E-field is changing the electrons in the mylar are moving toward one of the plates, which equates to electrical current. You can test this by placing small particles in a container of water along with a strong magnet and some metal plates on the outside of the container. With the aid of a microscope you can see the particles moving with a high voltage spike. If the B-field is aligned east/west and the capacitor plates are facing north/east, then the small particles in the dielectric medium will move up/down.

So now we know that alternating E-field in a dielectric medium causes alternating current in the dielectric medium. Initially one might think that if we remove all of the dielectric medium that there will no longer be electrical current, but what about the vacuum? The vacuum has a dielectric constant, permittivity. I’m claiming there’s real electrical current between two metal plates inside a vacuum when AC is applied to the metal plates.

If we apply a magnetic field perpendicular to the current, we have a force. Such a device makes a valid space propulsion system. As an example, let’s say we have car in motion. That’s KE, kinetic energy. We could build a device that converts some of that KE into a battery. Such a device would need to apply a force on the car in the opposite direction the car is moving. Now let's say Earth is causing space to flowing up at a certain location. If we place our space propulsion device at that location such that the space propulsion force is down, the device gains energy.

Some equations:

F=B*I*L
P=F*v
P=(B*I*L)*v
P=V*I
V=P/I
V=((B*I*L)*v)/I=B*L*v
P=(B*L*v)*I

F is force, newtons
B is magnetic field, tesla
I is current, amps
L is length, meters
P is power, watts
v is velocity, m/s
V is voltage

Example, our core is producing 40 mT rms, distance between the copper plates is 0.02 m, effective space flow velocity through the device is 2 Km/s, and the current (AC) through the copper plates is 10 A rms. The free power would therefore be P = B*L*v*I = 40e-3 T * 0.02 m * 2000 m/s * 10 A = 16 watts.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on October 30, 2017, 01:20:57 AM
Theoretical Research please can you explain a little more because I still don't get it.

Is vacuum suppose to be in between plates or a magnetic core?

Applying magnetic field perpendicular to the current inside dielectric?  this magnetic field comes from permanent magnet? are you talking about Lorentz force?

So what pushes against space flow? magnetic field from magnet? what is the role of current inside vacuum/dielectric?
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on October 30, 2017, 01:43:32 AM
Between the plates is the magnetic core. If we're talking about space actually consisting of something, then it's still there regardless of the atoms. How much space do subatomic particles take up? Practically nothing.

There's no PM in this device.

The equations are common classical physics, coming from Lorentz force equation.

The current is space itself due to it's permittivity, and therefore the force is on space itself due to the space current going through the magnetic field.

Does that make sense?
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on October 30, 2017, 01:49:38 AM
I just replied, but wanted to add a comment. The device deals with near fields. In mainstream they believe near fields (electromagnetic / electric & magnetic) are caused by virtual particles. The physics required to predict the device doesn't need to know what is causing the near fields.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on October 30, 2017, 04:10:37 AM
Between the plates is the magnetic core. If we're talking about space actually consisting of something, then it's still there regardless of the atoms. How much space do subatomic particles take up? Practically nothing.

There's no PM in this device.

The equations are common classical physics, coming from Lorentz force equation.

The current is space itself due to it's permittivity, and therefore the force is on space itself due to the space current going through the magnetic field.

Does that make sense?

It's starting to make sense now ...
So, this magnetic field is getting reinforced by dielectric current?? what is the source of this force-pushing magnetic field? dielectric current magnetizes core and THEN such magnetized core fights with dielectric current?
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on October 30, 2017, 04:16:53 AM
There's a copper wire wound coil on the magnetic core, which produces the magnetic field in the core.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on October 30, 2017, 04:22:59 AM
dielectric current

ps I like that name! Thanks. The current carrying coil & core produce the magnetic field. The current carrying copper plates that's essentially a capacitor around the core produces the dielectric current in the core space. Note, the dielectric current in the core itself caused by electrons is worthless. Yes, there's a force on those electrons, but it does nothing for the device. It's the dielectric current in space due to space permittivity that we're interested in.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on October 30, 2017, 04:57:11 AM
Thank you! I think i understand now, capacitor is powered by AC so E field in between plates is alternating so E field/dielectric current makes B field that interacts with B field in magnetized (by coil) core and core "vibrates" and inducing back spike current in coil.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on October 30, 2017, 05:02:15 AM
The force is in the same direction regardless if the current is + or -. So when the AC current reverse polarity during the other half of the cycle the dielectric current is reversed and the B-field is also reversed. So a negative times a negative is still a positive. That's why the force can be in the same direction. Of course it doesn't have to be that way.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on October 30, 2017, 06:58:22 AM
If a permanent magnet is used instead of the magnetic core then it will only vibrate.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: partzman on October 30, 2017, 03:01:58 PM
TR,

I still have the rotary test jig available for any replication attempts.

Pm
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on October 30, 2017, 03:50:33 PM
TR,

I still have the rotary test jig available for any replication attempts.

Pm

Thanks. That will come in handy. Hopefully this week I'll have a safe air core design ready for anyone who wants to build it, if all goes well. It would be very helpful to know the general location and output voltage of each device, along with the direction and intensity of the Earth's magnetic field. There are free phone apps that will tell you the x,y,z magnetic field. Some locations have anomalies such as a vertical magnetic field.

If anyone is located south of the equator or near one of the planets poles or near the equator then I would >>>>>>>>>>>greatly<<<<<<<<<<< appreciate your results. Every replication will help. This will help map out the planet's space flow velocity to get a better idea what's happening.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: blueplanet on October 30, 2017, 05:47:06 PM
This so-called dielectric current is somewhat like displacement current. By  Poynting's formula, the power vector S is given by S=E x B, which is in the same direction of the force. How do you harvest this energy?

Also, if you use earth magnetic field, which is very small, the E field has to be very strong in order for this power to be enough to do work.

Are you guys trying to come up with so-called electrostatic wave???

(Disclaimer: I am no expert on TPU.)
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on October 30, 2017, 06:29:08 PM
This so-called dielectric current is somewhat like displacement current. By  Poynting's formula, the power vector S is given by S=E x B, which is in the same direction of the force. How do you harvest this energy?

Also, if you use earth magnetic field, which is very small, the E field has to be very strong in order for this power to be enough to do work.

Are you guys trying to come up with so-called electrostatic wave???

(Disclaimer: I am no expert on TPU.)
That’s awesome! I wasn’t aware of the term displacement current, but that’s exactly what I’m talking about. I’d highly recommend everyone watch this video, essentially 9 minutes of content about displacement current.

https://youtu.be/77PZPBXMl1w

No the device doesn’t use Earth’s magnetic field. It uses the magnetic field inside the core, which could be an air core. Like I was telling someone else, this thing we call “space” is going to exist at some location regardless if we place some electrons, protons, and  neutrons there. Furthermore, there will be displacement current from the magnetic core itself, but it’s the displacement current through space itself that we’re interested in. So if the magnetic core dielectric constant is 3, then it doesn’t help the device. In the math I use a dielectric constant of 1. The reason is that the electrons are not moving through space, and therefore there’s no energy to gain from that. I’ve theorized that there’s a vortex of space flowing through Earth that varies depending on one’s location, but for countries such as the U.S. I think most of the flow is vertical with some horizontal flow. If it’s true that space is flowing through Earth, then it could be a source of energy, which is why I’m interested in space displacement current.

For those who like to read about my unusual messages: I'm told that all charged particles (e.g., electrons) produce a vortex of flowing space, and that tapping into this source of energy does not deplete the electron's magnetic field, as the energy comes from the vacuum itself. In that sense this is safe energy. I was warned by these people years ago that unshielded "black energy" produces radiation that's harmful to people. I'm not sure if this technology taps into black energy.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on October 30, 2017, 06:37:09 PM
ps, See the bold text from the quote below.

Quote
When the rate of change of the capacitor electric field is determined and its surface integral calculated, the displacement current turns out to exactly equal the wire current, giving the same result for the BB line integral.

https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/64356/displacement-current-how-to-think-of-it

If the AC current in-series with the capacitor is 1 A rms, then the displacement current in-between the capacitor plates is also 1 A rms, even if it's a vacuum.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Jeg on October 30, 2017, 06:58:22 PM
The force is in the same direction regardless if the current is + or -. So when the AC current reverse polarity during the other half of the cycle the dielectric current is reversed and the B-field is also reversed. So a negative times a negative is still a positive. That's why the force can be in the same direction. Of course it doesn't have to be that way.

Hi TR.
If i understand right, you use capacitor's displacement current instead of conducting current so to produce a Lorentz force? And this force is applied to space as space is moving and caries charges? I wonder if the force is applied also to the capacitor's displacement current itself. It is also perpendicular to the B field. If this is true then the same would happen inside a simple capacitor even without any magnetic core, as magnetic flux is always there spinning around on the surface of the cap's plates and their inner space.

I have a great interest to what you are doing TR. Thank you for sharing this space propulsion idea.

Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on October 30, 2017, 06:59:57 PM
This so-called dielectric current is somewhat like displacement current. By  Poynting's formula, the power vector S is given by S=E x B, which is in the same direction of the force. How do you harvest this energy?

Energy comes from the battle between changing electric so magnetic field from capacitor and magnetism from the core, I guess. its based of the  Lorentz force, core magnetic field is getting crazy and inducing things in coil.

I'm also building this device ,its very simple actually, see what happens...
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on October 30, 2017, 07:03:13 PM
BTW does anyone have recommendations on the simplest circuit to display AC current of say 1 to 20 mA on a DVM? I'll try to keep the frequency as low as possible, below 20 MHz. The simplest method is to feed directly to a DVM, but most DVMs would not be able to detect such AC signals. Looks like the circuit will have to convert the small AC signal to DC for the DVM. Is a frequency mixer the simplest way. The goal is create a circuit that consists of components most people here at OU will have while keeping the circuit simple. I’d also like to stay away from magnetic cores. No transformers.

Another way is to use two LEDs instead of a DVM. That would require something like an op-amp for the LEDs. It would be a red and blue LED. For example, the blue LED would light up when the device is pointing up, and the red LED would light up when the device is pointing down. Although that doesn’t provide a voltage. It would be helpful to know how much voltage devices are producing at various locations around the planet.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on October 30, 2017, 07:14:05 PM
Hi TR.
If i understand right, you use capacitor's displacement current instead of conducting current so to produce a Lorentz force? And this force is applied to space as space is moving and caries charges? I wonder if the force is applied also to the capacitor's displacement current itself. It is also perpendicular to the B field. If this is true then the same would happen inside a simple capacitor even without any magnetic core, as magnetic flux is always there spinning around on the surface of the cap's plates and their inner space.

I have a great interest to what you are doing TR. Thank you for sharing this space propulsion idea.
Perhaps the easiest way to understand how the device works is to imagine electrical current oscillating back and forth >between< the capacitor plates (displacement current), say east/west, and the magnetic field that is produced by the magnetic core is oscillating north/south through the capacitor plates (yes the magnetic core is between the capacitor plates), and space is flowing vertically. We know from well established classical mechanics that force = magnetic field * current * length.

In our case, the displacement current is actually space itself. That’s what the math shows. Since the displacement current is in phase with the magnetic field, there’s a net force on space in one direction since a positive multiplied by a positive is always a positive, and a negative multiplied by a negative is always a positive.

Yes the device is also a propulsion system. And if you take it aboard a jet airliner you can use that 500+ mph to create free energy. Although I doubt the captain will appreciate you applying drag on the plane. I should add that it takes an extremely powerful device to produce much force.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on October 30, 2017, 07:19:51 PM
I'm also building this device ,its very simple actually, see what happens...
Cool! It's actually quite easy to see the effect, but it's quite the task to do it well enough so it's convincing.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Jeg on October 30, 2017, 07:24:39 PM
BTW does anyone have recommendations on the simplest circuit to display AC current of say 1 to 20 mA on a DVM?

Precision op amp rectifiers would do the job as the forward diode voltage won't limit you when using low level signals.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on October 30, 2017, 07:28:39 PM
I'm also building this device ,its very simple actually, see what happens...
Here's the circuit of 1st design. Although I think it was actually +- 9 volts, not 6. They were AA batteries.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on October 30, 2017, 07:31:28 PM
Precision op amp rectifiers would do the job as the forward diode voltage won't limit you to low level signals.
Nice. I'll have to try that. It's been awhile since I've used that. Seems to me it didn't rectify so well at lower voltages, but I could be mistaken.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Jeg on October 30, 2017, 07:52:06 PM
Looks like the issue was due to the very high frequency and not to the level of voltage. Probably a simple transistor amplifier would fit better here.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on October 31, 2017, 12:52:06 AM
I wish .asc files were allowed as attachments. Attached is a zip file of a LTspice file of the present air core circuit. Hopefully there will be an improvement by tomorrow. When it's done and debugged I'll post all of the exact part numbers along with the exact directions to make the air core. A simple mixer circuit was used in this design. It could use a lot of improvements. The 0.5pF caps are a bit fishy, but anything larger will drown oscillator for some reason. There's probably a much better fix than using 0.5pF caps. I tried using 1Mohm resistors, but that renders the mixer useless. The problem is that the mixer input needs to measure the voltage across the core capacitor. If you find a good solution then please upload the circuit.

The L and C values in the LTspice file for the core are just guesstimates and will definitely change, probably by a lot.

I’m using four 2N2222 transistors in parallel because the oscillator loves it and it boosts the core current. I have better transistors here, but they’re not common like the 2N2222. Surely everyone here has some 2N2222 transistors, right? The mixer requires two 2N2222. It’s a good idea to have a few spare incase they burn up. Anyone who wants to replicate this who doesn’t have eight 2N2222 transistors please let me know and I’ll see if the circuit works good enough with three transistors.

I did a quick check on the transistor voltages in LTspice to see if they exceeded the 2N2222 max values. Looks okay, assuming my memory of the max values are correct. Although I know there’s a lot of differences between manufacturers. That alone could be a gotta in replicating. So I’ll need to set up some basic testing procedures so you can verify your circuit is working properly.

Just ignore the 3 groups of 100K & 4pF caps on the mixer output. That’s placed in there to filter the output for LTspice sims. The actual build shouldn’t need those, as the DVM will filter without problems, right?
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: mikemongo on October 31, 2017, 01:20:07 PM
I would like to add my personal observations. The first time I saw such a high power device I panicked because I swear there was faint smoke coming from the device. I thought my MOSFET was burning up. I see this faint smoke effect every time when the device is powered on. I don’t know how I can see this faint smoke, but have often wondered if other people would see it. It’s a mystery. Maybe it’s just a psychological effect? Idk. Has anyone ever noticed something like that?
I am very interest in this effect that you seen.  I could never find it again but there was a post in this forum
where someone else several years ago witnessed this.
Was it similar to seeing "heat devils" across the hood of a parked hot car, or seeing it when the ground or other object is much warmer than the ambient air?
Have you tried making a video of it?
If you add .pdf to the .asc file you should be able to post it, then whoever downloads it just needs to delete .pdf to use it.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: profitis on October 31, 2017, 03:50:50 PM
"Hopefully there will be an
improvement by tomorrow. When it's done and
debugged I'll post all of the exact part numbers along
with the exact directions to make the air core"

Well I dnt know if I'l post exact part no's but there's one very impotent part required ohk.I will post pics

Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on October 31, 2017, 03:56:57 PM
Does shape of the core matter? a ring is better than a flat plate? i want to build a BIG  and wide capacitor.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on October 31, 2017, 04:18:36 PM
I am very interest in this effect that you seen.  I could never find it again but there was a post in this forum
where someone else several years ago witnessed this.
Was it similar to seeing "heat devils" across the hood of a parked hot car, or seeing it when the ground or other object is much warmer than the ambient air?
Have you tried making a video of it?
I wouldn't say it was shimmering or rippling, if that's what you're talking about. I don’t like getting close because it’s possible for self-runners to instantly explode shooting molten copper outward like bullets. There was no chance these designs to self-run, so my head was about 8 inches away. I had the sensation that my eyes were having trouble focusing, and I swear there was a faint semi grayish ball of haze around the device, about 8 inches I'd guess, but it's difficult to say because there was no hard line or perimeter. It was confusing. At first I gasped while trying to see where the smoke was coming from while also moving my hand toward the switch to turn it off, but I couldn't see where the smoke was coming from so I left it on about 5 to 10 seconds longer. This happened every time I turned it on inside the lab. The lab has somewhat dark wood all around the walls, dark wooden desk, dark carpet. The lab lights were turned off, but a lamp with a small fluorescent bulb about 13 watts was over the device about a foot away. Maybe that helps see it because I don't recall noticing the haze/smoke sphere around the device when it was running outside or in the garage.

I should try to video it, but doubt it appear on camera. This device pulses the core kind of hard. I'm hesitate to film these because one time while working on a similar device my camera froze and I lost a lot of photos on the memory card. Maybe it was just the camera. Idk I’ve never cared to put videos up. People never believe them and these kind of videos get nasty comments and thumbs down that hurts your youtube account. It’s like giving people something and then getting slapped.

Now you have my curiosity. I'll try to video it while turning it on.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on October 31, 2017, 04:27:01 PM
Does shape of the core matter? a ring is better than a flat plate? i want to build a BIG  and wide capacitor.

I'm sure the shape matters a lot. I can't say for certain but it seems like my latest theory and math is predicting them. All I do is simulate it as best as possible in FEMM magnetics and electrostatics and then enter the results in LTspice and simulate it. For air core versions size makes a big difference. Bigger the better if everything is increased proportionally and that includes wire diameter, but I can’t recommend experimenting with air core versions unless you hide behind a thick sheet glass or something while it’s on. At least magnetic cores have saturation, but what’s the saturation of the vacuum? The copper will explode and easily kill you or make you blind. Be careful!!

You can try guessing without first doing it in simulations but IMO that’s like trying to win the lottery or working blind.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on October 31, 2017, 11:35:24 PM
FYI for anyone who's working on the last LTspice file I uploaded, you can either delete B2 or change it to V=-57n*(I(Ccore)*40)*2k *1V/1A

B2 isn't needed to improve the circuit. While adding descriptions and making the file prettier for OU I renamed C2 capacitor to Ccore, but didn't update B2. Not a big deal since the 8mV that B2 produces is nothing to the circuit.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on November 01, 2017, 12:53:35 AM
Attached is an improved LTspice file (not a pdf file) for the air core space flow detector. The mixer input caps are now 50pF instead of 0.5pF. You can use one 200pF cap instead of two 50pF caps but you lose some gain. The mixer wasn't optimized much at all. So you could probably get better results if you spend some time tweaking the values.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: e2matrix on November 01, 2017, 03:20:37 PM
Attached is an improved LTspice file (not a pdf file) for the air core space flow detector. The mixer input caps are now 50pF instead of 0.5pF. You can use one 200pF cap instead of two 50pF caps but you lose some gain. The mixer wasn't optimized much at all. So you could probably get better results if you spend some time tweaking the values.
You might want to change the extension on that from .PDF to .asc or maybe everyone will figure out it's not a PDF but rather is an .asc file.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on November 01, 2017, 04:43:49 PM
They need to rename it although ltspice prob don't care. They need to scan it for virus because it might explode their pc and dumb tons of illegal pics on their pc and email homeland security which will get them in jail next to sterling for life.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: blueplanet on November 03, 2017, 05:44:40 AM
Energy comes from the battle between changing electric so magnetic field from capacitor and magnetism from the core, I guess. its based of the  Lorentz force, core magnetic field is getting crazy and inducing things in coil.

I'm also building this device ,its very simple actually, see what happens...

I don't know how you did it. But there is a problem:

The power density: S= 1/2 * E x H, where S, E and H are vector quantities.

The magnetic field strength of a conventional permanent magnet is typically 1~2 T. The electric field strength of free space is at most in the order of 0.01. By calculation, the power density is simply too low to be useful. This energy does not appear to be one that can melt metal, as was claimed by TR in another thread.

To provide this electric field, you need a source. How can you confirm that the energy which you managed to harvest is NOT from the source.

From the equations given by TR, there is no suggestion that the energy he has harvested is from an ambient source.

Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on November 03, 2017, 05:50:10 AM
I don't know how you did it. But there is a problem:

The power density: S= 1/2 * E x H, where S, E and H are vector quantities.

The magnetic field strength of a conventional permanent magnet is typically 1~2 T. The electric field strength of free space is at most in the order of 0.01. By calculation, the power density is simply too low to be useful. This energy does not appear to be one that can melt metal, as was claimed by TR in another thread.

To provide this electric field, you need a source. How can you confirm that the energy which you managed to harvest is NOT from the source. I'm sorry, but your math is pointless in this discussion.

From the equations given by TR, there is no suggestion that the energy he has harvested is from an ambient source.

Please read the thread if you don't understand what the device is. Again, the device has absolutely nothing to do with permanent magnets. I'm sorry, but your math is pointless for this discussion. I've already provided the math of one example in the thread.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on November 03, 2017, 05:56:27 AM
I’ll just briefly go over the math and mechanics here.

To understand the mechanics we need to look at what’s happening inside dielectric material. When a voltage in a capacitor such as mylar is applied to the two plates an electric field is formed that causes the electrons in the mylar to move closer to the positive plate. Since the mylar is an electrical insulator, the electrons don’t move far, but there are a lot of them. While the E-field is changing the electrons in the mylar are moving toward one of the plates, which equates to electrical current. You can test this by placing small particles in a container of water along with a strong magnet and some metal plates on the outside of the container. With the aid of a microscope you can see the particles moving with a high voltage spike. If the B-field is aligned east/west and the capacitor plates are facing north/east, then the small particles in the dielectric medium will move up/down.

So now we know that alternating E-field in a dielectric medium causes alternating current in the dielectric medium. Initially one might think that if we remove all of the dielectric medium that there will no longer be electrical current, but what about the vacuum? The vacuum has a dielectric constant, permittivity. I’m claiming there’s real electrical current between two metal plates inside a vacuum when AC is applied to the metal plates.

If we apply a magnetic field perpendicular to the current, we have a force. Such a device makes a valid space propulsion system. As an example, let’s say we have car in motion. That’s KE, kinetic energy. We could build a device that converts some of that KE into a battery. Such a device would need to apply a force on the car in the opposite direction the car is moving. Now let's say Earth is causing space to flowing up at a certain location. If we place our space propulsion device at that location such that the space propulsion force is down, the device gains energy.

Some equations:

F=B*I*L
P=F*v
P=(B*I*L)*v
P=V*I
V=P/I
V=((B*I*L)*v)/I=B*L*v
P=(B*L*v)*I

F is force, newtons
B is magnetic field, tesla
I is current, amps
L is length, meters
P is power, watts
v is velocity, m/s
V is voltage

Example, our core is producing 40 mT rms, distance between the copper plates is 0.02 m, effective space flow velocity through the device is 2 Km/s, and the current (AC) through the copper plates is 10 A rms. The free power would therefore be P = B*L*v*I = 40e-3 T * 0.02 m * 2000 m/s * 10 A = 16 watts.

ps, Too many matrix agents here. smh. MM said long ago that the Kapanadze device was a scam. Interesting how that's the most popular thread at OU.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: blueplanet on November 03, 2017, 06:16:29 AM
Please read the thread if you don't understand what the device is. Again, the device has absolutely nothing to do with permanent magnets. I'm sorry, but your math is pointless for this discussion. I've already provided the math of one example in the thread.

You are actually right. I have no idea what the device is.
It looks very secretive!
Can you tell me how to find the information?
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on November 03, 2017, 06:25:23 AM
Can you tell me how to find the information?
This thread. The math is here. Some circuits were posted here. There's also an LTspice photo that shows exact part numbers, including the magnetic core part number, to build an entire device that shows the space flow effect. Yesterday I posted a video that of a spectrum that shows dozens of "self-runners" spawning as the frequency is swept. I'd love to see someone write software to simulate that. I'd guesstimate it would take me about 3 days working full time to write such software to produce such a hoax to the level of complexity and detail seen in the video. And for what lol? I removed the videos, but about 40 people viewed all 3 of the videos. I'm told by smart people that humanity is not ready, yet, for this technology. I was stubborn and had to see for myself, but they're correct. I hope to be back in about 3 years to post the exact designs of a self-runner, but for security reasons it will not be this website.

Again, if people want to see a self-runner, then help humanity mature and reach full adulthood. They need to improve their critical thinking skills and acquire a thirst for seeking knowledge and truth.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: blueplanet on November 03, 2017, 01:23:40 PM
Hi, I am sorry for my previous comments.

The circuit looks good.

Could you show me how the air core looks like?

By the way, I am not whatever agent. I am just a tiny academic.

Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on November 03, 2017, 05:40:08 PM
Sorry I didn't mean to insinuate you were an agent. I think people as a whole are easily influenced by the mass majority, and therefore open themselves up to being controlled. I'm guessing that's why the majority of people here work on devices that I'm told are hoaxes.

I'm going back to working on my artificial intelligence project, but might work on the air core design in a few days for my own personal research in an attempt to be able to predict the free energy effect and solve the instability issue. I'll have to think hard before posting details how to build it. What would be the purpose of posting it?
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: vasik041 on November 03, 2017, 06:39:40 PM
Quote
What would be the purpose of posting it?

Do not give ready schematic if you don't want, but explain how you came to working device.

:)
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: blueplanet on November 03, 2017, 06:58:29 PM
As I explained in another thread, the figures in the LTSpice file do not appear to be realistic.

Until you explain how you ended up with 0.9 KV and 2.3A in the so-called space source B2, it is not easy for us to draw up any conclusion at this stage.

Sorry I didn't mean to insinuate you were an agent. I think people as a whole are easily influenced by the mass majority, and therefore open themselves up to being controlled. I'm guessing that's why the majority of people here work on devices that I'm told are hoaxes.

I'm going back to working on my artificial intelligence project, but might work on the air core design in a few days for my own personal research in an attempt to be able to predict the free energy effect and solve the instability issue. I'll have to think hard before posting details how to build it. What would be the purpose of posting it?
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on November 03, 2017, 08:15:30 PM
As I explained in another thread, the figures in the LTSpice file do not appear to be realistic.

Until you explain how you ended up with 0.9 KV and 2.3A in the so-called space source B2, it is not easy for us to draw up any conclusion at this stage.

You make claims while providing incomplete gibberish math. Show your math. You don't know what you're talking about. Wow, 0.9KV @ 2.3A LOL? What are you saying? If they're 90 degrees out of phase then that amounts to ZERO watts. You don't even specify if the current and voltage are in phase. Do you understand basic theory? Where did I mention 0.9KV? Sounds like you're putting words in my mouth. So you looked at the ltspice file and saw 0.9KV and assumed it was in phase with the current? LOL come on guy. Seek truth. Such figures of 0.9KV is nothing. You can have 100KV and 10A, but if they're out of phase then so what? If you're not an agent then seek truth. ;)
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on November 03, 2017, 08:36:24 PM
ps, I'll save you the time. The 0.9KV you talk about is more like 1.10KV across the capacitor and 1.12KV across the inductor, while the voltage from the free energy source is about 10mV (10E-3 V, 0.01 V). What academic are you? No offense, but it's obviously not electrical engineering. Lets save our time here and end this nonsense unless you want to prove to a lot of people you're an agent. ;)
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: blueplanet on November 04, 2017, 02:19:41 AM

I ran LTspice simulation [size=78%]your circuit.[/size]

According to the simulation results, the peak voltage and he peak tcurrent of B2 are respectively 0.9KV and 2A.

On the surface of this planet earth, you won't get this much power from natural occurring space waves. At this stage, I am now trying to rule out any possibility of miracle. That's why I want to take a look on your air-core.

ps, I'll save you the time. The 0.9KV you talk about is more like 1.10KV across the capacitor and 1.12KV across the inductor, while the voltage from the free energy source is about 10mV (10E-3 V, 0.01 V). What academic are you? No offense, but it's obviously not electrical engineering. Lets save our time here and end this nonsense unless you want to prove to a lot of people you're an agent. ;)
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on November 04, 2017, 02:31:07 AM
I ran LTspice simulation [size=78%]your circuit.[/size]

According to the simulation results, the peak voltage and he peak tcurrent of B2 are respectively 0.9KV and 2A.

On the surface of this planet earth, you won't get this much power from natural occurring space waves. At this stage, I am now trying to rule out any possibility of miracle. That's why I want to take a look on your air-core.

Shedding light reveals you should learn basic electronics 101 before making such statements. First, B2 is not 0.9KV. It's about 10mV (0.01 volts). Second, power is not peak anything. It's rms. Third, you need to know phase angle to do power calculations. Fourth, LTspice will tell the power at B2, which is 11.5mW (0.0115 watts). Fifth, you have no clue how much power you'll get at the surface. Why are you here? You're accomplishing nothing. When I want to release this technology to the world I will do so and it will not be here at this website. Now what?
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: blueplanet on November 04, 2017, 03:00:25 PM
Shedding light reveals you should learn basic electronics 101 before making such statements. First, B2 is not 0.9KV. It's about 10mV (0.01 volts). Second, power is not peak anything. It's rms. Third, you need to know phase angle to do power calculations. Fourth, LTspice will tell the power at B2, which is 11.5mW (0.0115 watts). Fifth, you have no clue how much power you'll get at the surface. Why are you here? You're accomplishing nothing. When I want to release this technology to the world I will do so and it will not be here at this website. Now what?

If the power of the air space is 11.5mW, then the voltage is about 11.5mW/2A=5.25mV. By the calculation, the characteristic impedance is roughly 5.25mV/2A = 0.0029 ohm.  This impedance means the current is mainly magnetic and the electric field strength of the air space is almost zero. This impedance does not appear to be the characteristic impedance of air at 16MHz, which should be around 377 Ohm.

According to one of your diagram posted here, the air space is apparently the spacing between two concentric coils. I might be wrong.  If the dielectric is truly air, only plasma can generate this  kind of impedance.[/size]

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You are right. I have no clue how much power we can harvested from the surface simply because the surface impedance of the air/ground has not been specified. Like other forum members, I am trying to learn from you. If you think we are not ready to learn from you, then it is also okay. Perhaps, you can publish your idea in a high impact journal.  [/size]

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As I said, I hope you can shed more light on this topic.[/size]

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Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on November 04, 2017, 03:49:12 PM

If the power of the air space is 11.5mW, then the voltage is about 11.5mW/2A=5.25mV. By the calculation, the characteristic impedance is roughly 5.25mV/2A = 0.0029 ohm.  This impedance means the current is mainly magnetic and the electric field strength of the air space is almost zero. This impedance does not appear to be the characteristic impedance of air at 16MHz, which should be around 377 Ohm.

According to one of your diagram posted here, the air space is apparently the spacing between two concentric coils. I might be wrong.  If the dielectric is truly air, only plasma can generate this  kind of impedance.[/size]

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You are right. I have no clue how much power we can harvested from the surface simply because the surface impedance of the air/ground has not been specified. Like other forum members, I am trying to learn from you. If you think we are not ready to learn from you, then it is also okay. Perhaps, you can publish your idea in a high impact journal.  [/size]

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As I said, I hope you can shed more light on this topic.[/size]

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Why not take my advice about taking some EE classes or learning on your own or from a tutor before making such statements here? That's a serious question for you.

Again, power is not peak. It's rms. Convert to rms by dividing peak by sqrt(2). IMO any academic scientists should know that. Furthermore you need to know the phase angle difference between voltage and current. You can do that manually in LTspice or let LTspice do it for you.

The classical impedance of space has nothing to do with the impedance of the core. Reactance of displacement current varies with frequency and has absolutely nothing to do with the fixed 377 ohms. The 377 ohm is the characteristic impedance of free space. It's an expression of the relationship between the electric-field and magnetic-field intensities in an electromagnetic field propagating through a vacuum. Do you know the difference between near & far fields?
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: blueplanet on November 05, 2017, 03:55:06 AM
Why not take my advice about taking some EE classes or learning on your own or from a tutor before making such statements here? That's a serious question for you.

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Again, power is not peak. It's rms. Convert to rms by dividing peak by sqrt(2). IMO any academic scientists should know that. Furthermore you need to know the phase angle difference between voltage and current. You can do that manually in LTspice or let LTspice do it for you.

I just need a quick estimation on the order of magnitudes for different parameters.

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The classical impedance of space has nothing to do with the impedance of the core. Reactance of displacement current varies with frequency and has absolutely nothing to do with the fixed 377 ohms. The 377 ohm is the characteristic impedance of free space. It's an expression of the relationship between the electric-field and magnetic-field intensities in an electromagnetic field propagating through a vacuum. Do you know the difference between near & far fields?

Whatever you like...

By the way, in an attempt to understand your vortex detector better,  I have tried to include B2 and exclude B2 in your LTspice schematic. In both cases, your vortex detector gave exactly the same simulated output. This B2 is apparently not relevant.

There are two identical inputs for the mixer of your second version of the vortex detector. The main ingredient of these two inputs is apparently the output signal of the oscillator. I have no idea what you are you trying to detect.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on November 05, 2017, 04:33:14 AM

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I just need a quick estimation on the order of magnitudes for different parameters.

Whatever you like...

By the way, in an attempt to understand your vortex detector better,  I have tried to include B2 and exclude B2 in your LTspice schematic. In both cases, your vortex detector gave exactly the same simulated output. This B2 is apparently not relevant.

There are two identical inputs for the mixer of your second version of the vortex detector. The main ingredient of these two inputs is apparently the output signal of the oscillator. I have no idea what you are you trying to detect.

Well, multiplying the AC peak or rms voltage on a capacitor by its current to calculate power is not called an estimation. It's called an error. It's 100% fact you do not know how to properly calculate power in an AC circuit, and don't understand why you need to know phase angle. Basic concepts people learn in electronics 101. The worse part is that after all these posts you've refused to admit your simple errors.

Sorry, but I don't have time to teach you about electronic mixers.

Didn't I say I wasn't going to bother with this? This is the last time I'm replying to you. Go ahead and do your stuff lol. smh
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: blueplanet on November 05, 2017, 07:10:07 AM

Never mind.

I have requested for a red pill. I have not cancelled my request yet. I am not the only one requesting this red pill.

I hope that your red pills will be available by 2020. Do not forget to send these to us in DHS or Fedex.  Don't send us through USPS.

Hopefully, by 2020, your upcoming free energy secret can save the whole world from the attack by the terrorists and the North Korean.

:)

Well, multiplying the AC peak or rms voltage on a capacitor by its current to calculate power is not called an estimation. It's called an error. It's 100% fact you do not know how to properly calculate power in an AC circuit, and don't understand why you need to know phase angle. Basic concepts people learn in electronics 101. The worse part is that after all these posts you've refused to admit your simple errors.

Sorry, but I don't have time to teach you about electronic mixers.

Didn't I say I wasn't going to bother with this? This is the last time I'm replying to you. Go ahead and do your stuff lol. smh
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Magluvin on November 05, 2017, 11:43:12 PM
Never mind.

I have requested for a red pill. I have not cancelled my request yet. I am not the only one requesting this red pill.

I hope that your red pills will be available by 2020. Do not forget to send these to us in DHS or Fedex.  Don't send us through USPS.

Hopefully, by 2020, your upcoming free energy secret can save the whole world from the attack by the terrorists and the North Korean.

:)

Free energy could cause more issues with war and such.  Like A huge limitation of an actual battle bot would be its energy consumption.  Batteries drain and need to be replenished. An FE bot could continue on till it is attacked enough to be stopped.  But i believe the good outweighs the bad. If it is in the hands of everyone, then everyone is on the same playing field. Many things would change. Most all of the change should be good. Costs and pricing for everything we purchase, use and eat would need to change, for the better. Now there should be no reason to cut peoples pay. If the company saves already then the company saves, just like every individual.  This alone should shore up low wage jobs to bring more people to the middle class as it is cheaper to live good with FE.

Me?  Im all about getting it out there as soon as I know I have it. I dont want a dime.

Mags
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: blueplanet on November 06, 2017, 08:02:57 AM
Free energy could cause more issues with war and such.  Like A huge limitation of an actual battle bot would be its energy consumption.  Batteries drain and need to be replenished. An FE bot could continue on till it is attacked enough to be stopped.  But i believe the good outweighs the bad. If it is in the hands of everyone, then everyone is on the same playing field. Many things would change. Most all of the change should be good. Costs and pricing for everything we purchase, use and eat would need to change, for the better. Now there should be no reason to cut peoples pay. If the company saves already then the company saves, just like every individual.  This alone should shore up low wage jobs to bring more people to the middle class as it is cheaper to live good with FE.

Me?  Im all about getting it out there as soon as I know I have it. I dont want a dime.

Mags

Very thought provoking. This issue is certainly one of the hot topics being debated among the oil cartels and politicians... and certainly, in some universities as well. We have already been informed why FE is so impossible and so dangerous to the economy. During my career break some years ago, somebody from Goldman Suck already told me why Green energy was an illusion. Obviously, we are now being told why we are not ready for this and that technology.

There are many other equally hot topics which we must know as a good citizen of this world. In China, for example, everyone needs to understand why watching Youtube or using Google is against the laws. In Hong Kong, every citizen needs to know why Hongkong should not have democracy. In Saudi Arab, every women needs to understand why driving is dangerous to their sexual organs (although it has been made legal some days ago). In Indonesia, everyone knows why being gay is sinful. This list can go on and on..

I have once talked with a very famous Canadian professor who is now sitting on multi-million dollar grants from the government. I asked if he was interested in FE. His answer was: there is no demand for energy. Then, I switched to another topic and asked him if he was interested in wireless power transfer or wireless energy harvesting. He replied, "both technologies are critically important to mankind".

Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on November 06, 2017, 07:59:28 PM
Theoretical Research can we use ferrite magnet? it should oppose magnetic field coming from changing dielectric field.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on November 20, 2017, 05:09:59 PM
Listen, I’ve said this before that I’m not the one who is supposed to give this world a self running “free energy” device. That person is out there, somewhere. Maybe, by some small chance he will read this post.

I hope this will help you to one day build a self runner because I’ve been given permission to post these two sentences: Space current is known by numerous names such as cold electricity and radiant electricity. It is not a flow of electrons, and therefore has no more of a direct affect on conventional batteries and semiconductors than a flow of tau particles, but it produces magnetic fields, which will directly affect your magnetic cores, and it produces electric fields, which will directly affect your capacitors.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on November 20, 2017, 05:49:39 PM
AFAIK Lorentz force (the magnetic force) will not resist the flow of anything It just bends the force vectors.

I am asking only if its wise to use magnet ,by this way we can save power coming in.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on November 20, 2017, 06:54:21 PM
Lorentz force is as it says, a force. It can push against or toward the flow of current. It can have both, resulting in no net loss as in the case of the ideal inductor.

The majority of the magnetic field from conventional powerful magnets is caused by electron intrinsic spin, which also produces a vortex of space flow. The size of the magnet plays a noticeable role in the velocity of the space flow, which is why the space flow around Earth is significant. It's possible to achieve comparable velocities with magnets, but it's a bit more complicated, sometimes resulting in unpredictable experiments due to the inertia required to build up a substantial velocity, location, and the properties of material that space is flowing through. I'm told that location can be one of the most important factors in this technology for the leading edge researcher who will give this technology to humanity.
Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Kator01 on November 20, 2017, 07:24:27 PM
TR,

you have asked for a simple method of measuring rf-currents. This can be done by measuring rf- voltage across a 50 Ohm dummy-load with successive rectification, see here

dummy-load left to the BNC is not shown. The rf is fed to the 50 Ohm dummy and the voltage-drop across it fed into the BNC

The most common germanim diode you can get is this here : AA143

https://www.rf-microwave.com/datasheets/5992_Microsemi_AA143_01.pdf (https://www.rf-microwave.com/datasheets/5992_Microsemi_AA143_01.pdf)

wish you success

Mike

Edit: concerning the 50 Ohm-dummy resistor: you need a  rf-resistor-type since standart-resitors distort the resulting voltage by
their inner inductance. Chip-resistor would be the best choice

Title: Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
Post by: Theoretical Research on November 20, 2017, 07:30:12 PM
TR,

you have asked for a simple method of measuring rf-currents. This can be done by measuring rf- voltage across a 50 Ohm dummy-load with successive rectification, see here

dummy-load left to the BNC is not shown. The rf is fed to the 50 Ohm dummy and the voltage-drop across it fed into the BNC

The most common germanim diode you can get is this here : AA143

https://www.rf-microwave.com/datasheets/5992_Microsemi_AA143_01.pdf (https://www.rf-microwave.com/datasheets/5992_Microsemi_AA143_01.pdf)