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Title: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: ramset on April 13, 2017, 12:23:52 AM
Gentlemen
and maybe one lady ??[not sure no offence]

Here we have a community of many builders and researches ,a Global community ,we always have excitement and all manner of Diverse opinions.

member Zephir has not fallen short in the excitement /confrontation department.... it is good to have opinions.

Honestly I remember  Zephir's first post here and was razzeled and dazzeled
Impressed with his seeming knowledge base and seeming experience.

However we have this type of knowledge all around us at every moment

swimming in every Google search,
 
  I also agree with many comments he has made here, but the criminal Mafia suppression and interrupting every thread because its all worthless and just attempts to  suppress "simple OU "

maybe Zephir can take a moment from his busy schedule here running from thread to thread with a "foul flag" and banning everyone he see's fit ?
to explain why he feels he is qualified to moderate a thread here?

I don't think Stefan has ever made a man here a moderator who did not experiment in the media under discussion?

why would he ?
a theory thread? who needs more theories[unproven by empirical study

Zephir has never shared with members here his plan for this thread [moderated board] ,yet he feels very comfortable completely disregarding TOS and calling persons  here Criminals.. who hide OU... and scientists who work every day and know how to share OU but refuse and make believe
it does not exsist
that would be criminal indeed ..but it sounds odd to me, can he support these claims that many members here are such criminals?? [moderators mentioned too]

so Zephir are you going to share a build here of this OU is Simple"

let us Practice Brutal honesty?

respectfully
Chet K

 
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: Zephir on April 13, 2017, 02:02:25 AM
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disregarding TOS and calling persons  here Criminals

On the contrary - it was you who called me a criminal (http://overunity.com/17065/blacklight-power-now-brilliant-light-power-makes-major-announcement-in-the-news/msg503820/quote/503820/) - you have it completely opposite ...:-) Under such a twisting of facts the further discussion with you is indeed nonsensical, meaningless and as such impossible... In addition such a personalia are off topic at overunity forum.

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theory thread? who needs more theories unproven by empirical study

If you don't know how to construct overunity device, every theory may be useful. The probability, you'll construct an overunity device without theory and understanding what you're actually doing is equal zero. My theories are supported with number of published studies and my attitude to theory is also solely practical: no useless math and abstract stuffs.

The overunity forum performs badly in latest years: not only it's not even able to follow the existing progress in overunity research, but some its members ridicule its achievements and they're drowning in frog&mice battles and trivial demonstrations of classical physics with no deeper clue. The new board could change it, but it requires to be moderated at scientific basis and kept away from all these trolls. Only time will tell us, if this strategy has chance to success.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: ramset on April 13, 2017, 02:13:37 AM
Zephir

you understand when you call a man a liar or suppressor of the truth on a public forum
[which you do several times a day here ]
that is called libel?
and it is a crime?

please explain how me calling your actions criminal [your cited libels]
is not true in your mind?
I am honestly at a complete loss ?

and today you called }"Grumage the pure" a mafia [criminal] henchmen of this forum
filled with suppressors of OU..

which part of that is not Libel ? and a crime here??

do they not have Libel laws in your country ?

they do here at this forum...

perhaps you make your case here for the OU is easy claim[request number 27 for this]

disregard my worthless and ignorant presence and speak to the members here about your Plans

??

yes lets keep to the topic
Zephir
quote
"OU is easy"
end quote

yes lets stay on topic...
are you going to Build ?
or point and demand others build your fancy?

Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: h20power on April 13, 2017, 02:23:21 AM
Interesting read but to be honest I have no idea what you are talking about for I don't follow anyone for none as far as I know understand this water for fuel technology other than myself right now and I'm not in the talking mood these days. As far as I am concerned I have shared all I am willing to share with everyone and all that I have shared for the most part has been rejected by the group as a whole.


I have seen many people rise up and fall claiming to be some sort of God in their own right and feel this person you speak of is just one of those Trump type of people whom are very narcissistic. If given the power to be as mean as one can be to people they will take flight with it and love it as this type of power trip suits their personalities perfectly. Sorry you had to go through this but remember how I was treated on many forums when all I wanted people to do was to do their own work so we could all learn together making use of the scientific method in trying to uncover just how this technology actually worked. I was told to take my scientific method, as if I had created it, and shove it where the sun doesn't shine. So, I had to go it alone for the most part and truly understand that Open Source is a joke from a inside perspective. I have been marginalized and pushed off to the side for as I was forced to go it alone I started keeping what I learned to myself also as why share anything with people that only wanted to tell me I was full of BS?


I learn back then that no one truly wants the truth. Nope, what they want is someone to give them this technology on a silver platter and even pay for the shipping to an address of their choice. Many times did I try and get people to make use of the scientific method which demands that real world experiments be done and the idea be completely rejected. I just read on the RWG site something that I find completely puzzling by NAV in saying that no one has ever achieved high voltage being applied to a water bath before when I had clearly shown the whole world in the 2013 Global BEM someone doing just that. I went on to keep improving my results putting higher and higher voltages to the water bath over time going from 4.2kv to 8.8kv from which point I stopped sharing my results with the group as all that was being done from me doing so was getting people upset at me due to envy and jealously of the results I was getting. To the best of my knowledge no one has even come close to the results I shared back at the 2013 Global BEM let alone the improvements I managed to make through much research and actual hands on real world experiments. So, from my perspective all of these forums are just a joke. No one actually wants to do much of anything in the way of the scientific method nor are they willing to actually work together for fear of not being the one whom solved the technology on their own thus having to share the glory with others which was something most I have run into simply do not want to do.


Nothing any of you can say to me right now will change my mind on what I have experienced with my whole eyes when it comes to dealing with those that actually join these Open Source forums. Interestingly now Nav is getting ready to call it quits as none of his work is yielding any fruit nor is the work of Ron from which was shared on the RWG whom basically told everyone that I was heading down the wrong path and thus should not be followed. Now all of these sites that I have been banned from are basically giving up or finding themselves running around in circles and to read that Nav say that no one has ever managed to put a high voltage to a water bath is just another slap in the face to me as I did it and it's clear my efforts are to be completely ignored and written off as a fluke or even a fraud as I have heard that name tossed around about me too.


What I found out in being tossed from all of these Open Source forums that works for the positive is it allowed me to really focus on my efforts to solve this technology without many distractions. But since I do things the hard way and funds are limited my work goes slowly at times. My last round of testing yielded 9.4kv being applied to the exciter array and in order to get any higher I had to completely redesign the VIC transformer which I am in the process of doing right now. But I have completely given up on these Open Source forums as most will just go out of their way to block this technology from coming out if they aren't allowed to make a buck from it or if they find that they have to pay someone for it. After talking with a few people I trust I we all have come to realized that we were simply in the wrong place for this technology to thrive. Most that I have run into in these forums have no idea how the markets work and even when the concept of how the markets work is explained to them refuse to support this technology going into a limited form of mass production. Nope they desire for people to pay the maximum price for this technology and all to work as individuals with little to no concern for their fellow man. They get real mad at me for refusing to share what I know through much hard work with them for free. I tell them about the need for this technology to go into a limited form of mass production so that the prices for this technology can be reduced and all they can see is their own personal needs and the rest of the world be dammed.


Right now this technology needs supporters but I seriously doubt I will find even a handful of people in this or any other Open Source forum to get behind this technology in its true time of need as all are out for self in forums like these. Too many egos, too many opinions that come from people that simply refuse to put their thoughts to the test experimentally as lets be honest it's a lot of hard work and it's really expensive to do things the right way. I don't even know how many thousands of dollars I have spent just so I could build and test my experiments with a high degree of accuracy. But if I had to give it a dollar value perhaps around $30k or more and people want me to just hand over my research to them while they stab me repeatedly in my back, not! I extended my hand to everyone while I was starting out so that we could all learn this technology together but that offer was rejected.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: ramset on April 13, 2017, 02:35:09 AM
Ed
yes you have been around the block in open source forums ,to hell and back.

I truly hope you have success in finding support "where there is a will there is a way"

here we have a man posting as I type this in another thread who is unaware [or is he??] of the retraction on Peter Graneau's  claims ?

his new thread here http://overunity.com/17231/energy-from-water-arc-explosions/msg504073/#new

Graneau's Claims retracted here   https://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg77959.html

well lets see what he says ? I don't want to soil his topic [which I have great interest in].

respectfully
Chet K

Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: Dog-One on April 13, 2017, 03:42:25 AM
Quote from: h2opower
My last round of testing yielded 9.4kv being applied to the exciter array and in order to get any higher I had to completely redesign the VIC transformer which I am in the process of doing right now.

9400 volts, that's getting up there.  What voltage are you shooting for?

Also, what's your standing wave node spacing?  And is that an integer division of your exciter array?
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: h20power on April 13, 2017, 04:56:50 AM
I find it interesting that these technologies all seem to have something similar in how they seem to work on things that main stream science has already gone over, be it far too quickly, and that no one seems to be willing to look more deeply into them. Hydrogen and water seem to hold the key to replacing fossil fuels and I am beginning to see others that have the potential to move the world away from fossil fuels. It's sad when ego gets all in the way of progress. Solar energy and some of these new energy storage devices are really making strides right now.


So many seem to be going in different directions trying to move us away from fossil fuels but the one person that has made them move is Elon Musk as Tesla motors has moved their agenda way up ahead of schedule for if I remember correctly they where talking 2030 or 2050 to start moving towards electric cars. I know one thing it has opened up the door for me to start into the market now but I have to be smart about it as there is very little room for error. Truthfully I hope this Graneau's claim retraction is just some sort of protection stunt as more are needed if we are to push the fossil fuel kings off of their thrown of power. I have even seen some capacitor technologies pushing to take the place of batteries all together. But the one thing I haven't seen much of is a new way to go about generating energy.


I will keep at it as things are looking good right now. At the RWG site all I can do is read as that is how far I am restricted from their site due to my many successes shown while they remain back in the stone ages with their efforts due to them totally ignoring what I have tried to tell them in how the technology actually works. Like I said it was sad to read NAV state that no one has managed to put high voltage to any Meyer type device as if what I did doesn't exist and never happened. If it wasn't for John Fraser there wouldn't have even been an interview video for people to see as Sterling Allen totally stood me up back then. I explained things as best I could with the understanding of what I was seeing taking place with my experiments at the time. I didn't have all the answers but I did show that putting a high voltage potential difference directly to a water bath was in fact possible thus giving Meyer some much needed credibility. I just wish others would have followed my lead instead of focusing all of their efforts in trying to shut me down.


When you look at these many different technologies take a look at the old science in far more detail are chances are something got missed that will turn out to be very important for understanding how the technology is working in a way that seems to defy the scientific norms. To Meyer's credit he did in fact tell just how the technology worked on a basic level but the missing part was that early science stuff I talked about in going over the basics looking to see if main stream science missed something. What I found was no one had ever asked just how a plant actually breaks the bonds of the water molecules before in that context. As simply as that question is it was never directly answered by main stream science. Then in watching one of Meyer's lectures just the other day to hear him state that the liquid water goes from a liquid to gas ionization stage tells exactly how this technology actually works and he did so in front of hundreds of people. But people are strange in that they want something just given to them on a silver platter.


I had a few people work with me but all of them bailed on me due to the high cost of building and testing things the right way as the scientific method demands be done. At least they were honest with me and told me that they just couldn't afford to keep the pace I was keeping in trying to figure out this technology. I remember having built a transformer design costing close to $1000 USD and having to toss it after just a few test as it was heading in the wrong direction. Even the build of the exciter array had to be almost perfect as I had to toss out two different designs due to problems found with the design. Most people just aren't willing or aren't able to keep doing things like this. But I go where the science leads me and if the science says what was built is going in the wrong direction then I simply toss it and build a new one based on what was learned from the failure. For the most part those that would line up to challenge me had no idea that I wasn't talking about some pure theory stuck in the world of imagination but real world experiments basing my efforts on trial and error of something real. But that didn't stop them as they managed to get me put out of each and every online Open Source forum but this one and in doing so dooming the sites where I was banned from as just how far can one run on pure imagination and no real world testing?


At most places I would always rub shoulders with those not actually doing any real work and move to ignoring them as most of the time they would have an idea and want someone else to test it for them as my experiments where already costing me more than I really could afford to spend. I'd simply demand that they do their own work and that would start their work on getting me kicked out of the forums for stupid reasons. They would start making claims of pure nonsense and tell everyone that I was doing everything all wrong or start attacking me on a personal level some even to stoop as low as to the color of my skin and I'd be the one to get banned for their racism and racist attacks against me. It's sad when you think about it but it's part of the world we live in.


I hope this person your talking too is one that actually will move towards doing something in the real world instead of just dreaming about things as in order to make dreams come true a lot of work has to be done to make it happen. I also hope he is like me in that he will give some of what he has learned with the hopes someone will also be willing to work with him along the way as working it alone without work load sharing is tough. I have always done my best to aid people in understanding how Meyer did what he did but sadly I get people like this ARMCORTEX popping out of the woodwork to tell me that all that I know is false as Meyer was a fraud and I got suckered. Even after I'd show the raw science which is totally provable as it's already taking place in nature people like them just keep pushing your buttons anyway.


I hope all goes well with this as it's tough for one to swallow their ego but it is not impossible. Just keep your eyes on the big picture and most of these small arguments we get into start to seem totally pointless. I now focus my efforts on getting into some form of limited mass production as that is the only way to cut cost for this or any other technology as that is just how the markets work and there simply is no getting around that.



Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: h20power on April 13, 2017, 05:10:11 AM
9400 volts, that's getting up there.  What voltage are you shooting for?

Also, what's your standing wave node spacing?  And is that an integer division of your exciter array?


According to Meyer and my own studies I have to reach 10kv or more with a cell this size before the atoms that make up the water molecules start to eject their electrons. I am getting close but this technology is no different than a device that makes ozone. There is a threshold that must be crossed before the atoms start to ionize and eject their electrons before this ionization nothing happens just as if the voltage is too low for an air ionizer no ozone is produced.
As for standing waves I haven't been using them as they seem less important in the over all process now just resonance and keeping it that way at all times. As for the exciter array the voltage is divided evenly between the ten capacitors wired in series just like the one that ran Meyer's dune buggy.


Meyer states that the working voltages for this technology are between 10-20kv in the patents and amp flow must be kept to no more than 1 mA if I read everything correctly. Most of the time I am able to keep the amp flow to only 0.6 mA so it is very possible. I just hope this next design has all the bugs worked out of it as I might have to build it in a way that it would have to all be tossed if it doesn't work correctly due to the high voltages I am dealing with. The oil baths no longer seem to work well on containing the voltages from arcing out the transformer so I might have to start making them with some sort of resin.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: tinman on April 13, 2017, 01:50:49 PM

According to Meyer and my own studies I have to reach 10kv or more with a cell this size before the atoms that make up the water molecules start to eject their electrons. I am getting close but this technology is no different than a device that makes ozone. There is a threshold that must be crossed before the atoms start to ionize and eject their electrons before this ionization nothing happens just as if the voltage is too low for an air ionizer no ozone is produced.
As for standing waves I haven't been using them as they seem less important in the over all process now just resonance and keeping it that way at all times. As for the exciter array the voltage is divided evenly between the ten capacitors wired in series just like the one that ran Meyer's dune buggy.


Meyer states that the working voltages for this technology are between 10-20kv in the patents and amp flow must be kept to no more than 1 mA if I read everything correctly. Most of the time I am able to keep the amp flow to only 0.6 mA so it is very possible. I just hope this next design has all the bugs worked out of it as I might have to build it in a way that it would have to all be tossed if it doesn't work correctly due to the high voltages I am dealing with. The oil baths no longer seem to work well on containing the voltages from arcing out the transformer so I might have to start making them with some sort of resin.

h20

Good to see you around again.

Here is the big problem here,and in other forums--as soon as you mention using high voltages,and low currents to produce HHO,many just laugh at you--you know how it is,and how it has been at !other! places.

All is not lost--i am giving it one more try to get others to follow the path of HV HHO-->we shall see if they choose to learn and understand,or just want to be spoon fed.


Brad
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: h20power on April 13, 2017, 08:12:52 PM
h20

Good to see you around again.

Here is the big problem here,and in other forums--as soon as you mention using high voltages,and low currents to produce HHO,many just laugh at you--you know how it is,and how it has been at !other! places.

All is not lost--i am giving it one more try to get others to follow the path of HV HHO-->we shall see if they choose to learn and understand,or just want to be spoon fed.


Brad


Yeah, I have been around the block with these forums and made a lot of enemies with my strong adherence to the use of the scientific method. Your video showing the high voltage is interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyW4dR4cUQM&t=27s
Meyer's technology requires that things be built fairly closely how Meyer had done so unless one understands the technology and is able to make changes and still compare it to what Meyer had done. I made a few changes to the exciter array but not so much that it will work any differently than Meyer's does. Now on the transformer I have made quite a bit of changes but the base design is always the same in that if I was to draw a circuit diagram it would be the same as that of Meyer's tech.


I have had to deal with Russ, Max, and a whole lot of other people that have some very large ego issues to deal with. The one thing in common with them all is they would have their forums and the power to put down people's points of view that they didn't agree with and that type of power proved to be too much for them as they would get very abusive with it. Sure I am not the easiest person in the world to deal with but one thing that never change about me was I would require that people would do their own work using some form of method where they would have a measurable outcome. Russ would build like crazy and when it came to testing time just bail on that part of the work and jump on to building something else. I called him on this several times but his die hard followers would have no one questioning their GOD and would make life difficult for me. When Russ ran out of Meyer stuff to build he did exactly as I had anticipated he would do, bail on everyone and jump on to something completely different with that noble gas engine, kinda forget what it was called as he bailed on that technology too.
With Max I noticed that he was not honest with his work as we worked closely enough together for me to notice that he was not telling me the truth about his results. We had practically the same set up and I was getting a temperature rise over time and he told me he was not. But when I took a close look at his video I could see heat rising out of his cells. That is the worse type of person to try and work with as if your not going to be honest with your results it messes up the entire process of the scientific method. With time everyone else started to see the wholes in his set up and he has now since faded away only to pop up now and again to say hi like Russ does.
Most of these people are out of water for fuel technology now with only a few of us left standing and of those few most are giving it one last try. Some of the followers hid themselves under different names so that they can get a fresh start with me or to basically start over without all of the baggage they created for themselves in the past. Most of the time I can figure out who they truly are and thankfully when I can't figure out who they are some of the friends I have made will tell me.


I tried to help NAV out before I was rudely shut down at the RWG site but his response towards me was surprising in that he wanted nothing to do with me based on the lies told to him by the forum members. Even though I was getting results like no one else was getting he chose to side with those who weren't getting any good results from their work on Meyer's technology. Now he is calling it quits just like all the others that stood against me seems to have done as these sites are very quite now that I have been given the boot from them. Like I mentioned earlier how far can someone run on theories if they aren't willing to put in any work to either prove or disprove these theories? Sure these people won the fight in getting me put out of their forums but in the end they lost the battle as they simply don't have what it takes to move forwards concerning true unknowns like this water for fuel technology presents to the world. I provided everyone with the pure science that filled in the gaps Meyer left out of his lectures on how this technology actually worked, and for that noble deed I was banished. Once I understood the way the markets actually worked I knew that this Open Source approach was just wrong for this technology. The Open Source approach works for software and other types of things that do not require something to be physically built. For things that need to be built the Open Source approach breaks down as it would then require everyone to build "One-Offs" which is the most costly way to go about making anything. I even wrote an article about it to try and explain just how Open Source fails at trying to bring this technology out to the world here: http://aetherforce.com/truth-open-source-inventors-perspective/ Basically when something has to be made the rules of the market has to be followed and the only way for the little guy to make it in that world is for us to crowdfund our monies together as doing so allows us to act like a large corporation so we too could buy in bulk.


Now I just work towards building up the company as I finally gave up on forums like these as their track record for aiding technologies like these to make it to the marketplace very poor. Most of the time they are very good at standing in the way and it's vastly becoming well known for it's ability to impede these types of technologies rather than help them. I had to learn all of this through the school of hard knocks Meyer talked about in one of his videos as I came to Open Source thinking it was a great tool to help get technologies like this out to the world but the reality shows it works to stop them which was a very hard lesson to learn as I believed in it's cause when I entered into it.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: ARMCORTEX on April 13, 2017, 08:15:49 PM
H2Opower,

I never said Meyers was a fraud, he might have been a fraud, or he might have been believing his own bullshit. I dont think he electrolysis cell and injector were in working phase. Those that visited the buggy were not impressed, for this reason I have ceased all activities.

So when you say that your system works, because you follow Meyers, and that your cell is more like Daniel Dingle, sorry but I am not impressed. Besides, a man with a water engine is always in a talking mood, if not a talking mood, a happy mood.

The most important thing is that you must agree and concede that Stephen Meyers was a superior scientist than Stanley Meyers, and that he was the brains behind the circuitry.

In his radio interview he said his system is more advanced, need I say more? You can say all you want that you know Meyers and follow him and he was the boss and knew more than his brother but that argument falls short vs reality.

After all, Stan died, and he got hold of all information, and in his years of efforts and research, since he is a trained engineer, it is likely that his system is more advanced than Stanley, like he claimed in the interview. One thing is for sure, Stephen Meyers knows alot more about Stanley Meyers technology and how to make HHO gas more efficiently than H2OPOWER.

As for Zephir... Just another forumite, he should get his proposals into motion by building more and coming up with more practical approach to his opinions. Not much different than many forumites, I dont see why a thread is even necessary I could care less nobody is ever gonna get me seriously mad on these forums LOL.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: h20power on April 13, 2017, 08:49:28 PM
H2Opower,

I never said Meyers was a fraud, he might have been a fraud, or he might have been believing his own bullshit. I dont think he electrolysis cell and injector were in working phase. Those that visited the buggy were not impressed, for this reason I have ceased all activities.

So when you say that your system works, because you follow Meyers, and that your cell is more like Daniel Dingle, sorry but I am not impressed. Besides, a man with a water engine is always in a talking mood, if not a talking mood, a happy mood.

The most important thing is that you must agree and concede that Stephen Meyers was a superior scientist than Stanley Meyers, and that he was the brains behind the circuitry.

In his radio interview he said his system is more advanced, need I say more? You can say all you want that you know Meyers and follow him and he was the boss and knew more than his brother but that argument falls short vs reality.

After all, Stan died, and he got hold of all information, and in his years of efforts and research, since he is a trained engineer, it is likely that his system is more advanced than Stanley, like he claimed in the interview. One thing is for sure, Stephen Meyers knows alot more about Stanley Meyers technology and how to make HHO gas more efficiently than H2OPOWER.

As for Zephir... Just another forumite, he should get his proposals into motion by building more and coming up with more practical approach to his opinions. Not much different than many forumites, I dont see why a thread is even necessary I could care less nobody is ever gonna get me seriously mad on these forums LOL.


Look what the cat dragged in  :o . I guess your attempts to rip off some rich folks isn't working to well huh? Now you did say that those that are working on Meyer's technology are mentally unstable and reading into that means you have outright called him a fraud, but you believe in his brother whom is losing his memory due to alzheimer's.


I tried to give you some sound advice telling you to just take out a loan and work for your dreams like everyone else in this world has to but you refuse to do so stating you want and desire to spend other peoples money. Just think how far you would be toward attaining your goals if you had followed my advice, huh?!!


Anyway I don't have anything built like that of Dr. Dingle as I have never seen any of his work before and I thought from you looking at the photos I shared with you that you could figure that out but I guess I assume to much of you and your abilities to make sound decisions. Listen kid, go back under that rock you just climbed out of as everyone on this forum has you pegged as some sort of comic relief and we are not looking for a laugh right now, okay?
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: ARMCORTEX on April 13, 2017, 09:00:50 PM
I dont rip off people, everynight I look at my CAD design and I am in awe how cool my mechanical device would be.

I am deepening my knowledge of math, in differential equations, in numerical software like scilab.

Now is not the right time, that is all. Its money, its space, its complications that may arise, safety as well.

I dont fall to the low point of ripping off, I make things that I believe in and go full speed ahead, at my own speed.

Unlike you, who does not create from scratch, just another copy artist, copy Meyers, follow Meyers...
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: ARMCORTEX on April 13, 2017, 10:16:17 PM
Stanley Meyers... That name recalls me much waste of time.

Your friends gave up and so have I.

Just as they banned you I would also have banned you.

They did nothing wrong, they saw the "light". You say you are in a bad mood and "ARMCORTEX HAS CAUSED ME TO QUESTION"...

LOL... You are the guy who has been clinging to Meyers longer than everybody I know, are you just stubborn? brilliant? Tenacious? crazy?

If you made such a good injector and it worked. Just like Herman P Anderson and Stanley Meyers, I havent seen
any replications. with 30k I can go farther, I used to tell people to just give me their money in the days as well, that I would build it
for them, I think I had idiots like you in my way as well thus I quit.

When are these old guys with illusions of grandeur gonna tell somebody about it and it will get replicated. Small injector will it see the light od day? Its certainly attractice technology, but in the end...we face possibility of bullshit. I would like to see more proof about Herman Anderson.

I would like to believe that Herman P anderson injector and Meyers injector would work, I am optimist, I am awaiting them
or somebody to test if it turns into a self runner.

At the time, I was trying to make an electrolyser as it seemed more of an easier test than injector motor, wich makes noise for night work. To me it was clear, either the brother of a fraud is not worth following, or either Stan was a good willed fool who had also illusions of grandeur but did manage to progress heavily and his brother surpassed him since he said he did.

All this time investment now stands on very poor foundation thus I pulled out. Have I had the investment shipped to me I would have progressed. I tried to convince some to do it my way but it was too late for them, their minds were lost.


Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: Cherryman on April 13, 2017, 10:40:36 PM
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Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: ARMCORTEX on April 13, 2017, 11:18:53 PM
For me, I believe that as we reach 23-24 years old, smart people like zephir and others we would like to get instant scientific recognition and be millionnaire and forever safe in our overunity hiding lair somewhere in the mountains.

But, as time passes, you start realizing that you might be fucking up in life. Its best to concentrate on the simple things in life and be good at that, work for a company and humble yourself. Either it be software or engineering or simply machining, something in these activities makes it as satisfying work.

I believe overunity researchers need to humble themselves vs science and that its as as easy as we originally tought, some of us have difficulty with hard math so we would be satisfied by instantly rebalancing things in our favor. The world is funcitonning well enough that we can purchase energy needs from expert engineer companies, who will provide us with 120 volt power for our applicance, and if we simply need to work to purchase energy needs its best to be just a regular guy and not an overunity researcher. Time is money and if its wasted on foolish things we are not optimizing our time on earth.

That is all, I am abandonning overunity because Its not needed.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: h20power on April 14, 2017, 12:07:36 AM
Stanley Meyers... That name recalls me much waste of time.

Your friends gave up and so have I.

Just as they banned you I would also have banned you.

They did nothing wrong, they saw the "light". You say you are in a bad mood and "ARMCORTEX HAS CAUSED ME TO QUESTION"...

LOL... You are the guy who has been clinging to Meyers longer than everybody I know, are you just stubborn? brilliant? Tenacious? crazy?

If you made such a good injector and it worked. Just like Herman P Anderson and Stanley Meyers, I havent seen
any replications. with 30k I can go farther, I used to tell people to just give me their money in the days as well, that I would build it
for them, I think I had idiots like you in my way as well thus I quit.

When are these old guys with illusions of grandeur gonna tell somebody about it and it will get replicated. Small injector will it see the light od day? Its certainly attractice technology, but in the end...we face possibility of bullshit. I would like to see more proof about Herman Anderson.

I would like to believe that Herman P anderson injector and Meyers injector would work, I am optimist, I am awaiting them
or somebody to test if it turns into a self runner.

At the time, I was trying to make an electrolyser as it seemed more of an easier test than injector motor, wich makes noise for night work. To me it was clear, either the brother of a fraud is not worth following, or either Stan was a good willed fool who had also illusions of grandeur but did manage to progress heavily and his brother surpassed him since he said he did.

All this time investment now stands on very poor foundation thus I pulled out. Have I had the investment shipped to me I would have progressed. I tried to convince some to do it my way but it was too late for them, their minds were lost.


I know you would have banned me too as you have the same type of power trip personality I'd even be willing to call you a Max Miller clone but you far worse than he is. But I do hear you on the working at your own pace as I do that all the time. People that sit around doing nothing like to speed up my pace but they never contribute to the case other than to try and make me upset most of the time. Unlike you I have built a lot of my CAD designs as they are not just on a computer program or drawing anymore for they are in the world of the real. Just like Meyer stated in one of his video people like us have to be somewhat thick skinned for most people will try hard to get in your way for they are use to the crabs in a bucket mentality, but thankfully not all people are like that.


As for the 23-24 year old's perhaps they like the idea of going from rags to riches but as long as they don't take your approach I'm fine with them. Since I am a half century old I guess I am just a stubborn old man now but since I work at my own pace based on what I figure out through experimentation and build things in an affordable manor I guess I'm not so much the foolish type. I knew starting out that to make use of the scientific method was a long process but I have lived long enough to understand that following that method often times yields good results one just has to have patients.


On Zephir I guess I should take a look at what's going on so that I know the full story as I have no idea what he/she is up too and/or doing. But right now isn't a good time as I am truly focusing on the task at hand now. Being humble is tough at times but doable as most of the time it's just a choice to be mean, like you, or to be nice to people like the rest of us. At first I offered you some sound advice but you are like those 23-24 year-old's that you speak of wanting to take the easy road and not work for it like everyone else has to which I thought was being very nice. But your response of wanting to spend other people's money was very troubling. Then you had an attitude like people owed you something and should just fork over the cash to you as you, without humility, demanded it of them. I am surprised that you could even bring yourself to actually type out the word HUMILITY given how much of a jerk you have shown yourself to be towards people.


As for your giving up on Meyer's technology that is music to my ears as the world doesn't need greedy people like you behind a disruptive technology such as this. These disruptive type technologies need people that can honestly care about others outside of their inner circle of friends and you are not that type of a person, agreed? Trust me I am not the only one that views you this way as it's just how you have come across to all of us in this forum. Lets face it you are not a nice man as your parents failed in raising you to care for anyone outside of yourself, but like I have said in the past it doesn't always have to be this way as you can change if you want to.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: Zephir on April 14, 2017, 01:16:04 AM
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That is all, I am abandonning overunity because Its not needed.

This is indeed your full right, but my experience is, once the price of oil jumps above 200 USD/barrel, then the risk of global nuclear war becomes imminent (http://newswire.rockefeller.edu/2005/10/21/scientists-warn-that-nuclear-catastrophe-is-an-imminent-danger), because the geopolitical situation will become way too unstable. The so-called renewables increase the fossil fuel consumption on background, because they require huge amount of raw sources (https://www.reddit.com/r/Physics_AWT/comments/5ztd1a/research_team_warned_of_mineral_supply) - and they cannot provide permanent solution of energetic crisis. Now the situation between Russia and USA becomes unstable again, because Russia is the largest exporter of oil. The war in Syria already did a large damage to Europe because of immigration crisis.

Therefore if you have a children, you should bother about overunity quite a lot - just from trivial self-preservation reason. The ignorance of cold fusion and overunity already did a large damage on civilization (https://pesn.com/archive/2012/01/15/9602013_138_Million_Cold_Fusion_Holocaust/index.html) and it was the primary reason of both world wars. Every ignorance comes at its own cost.

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as time passes, you start realizing that you might be fucking up in life

On the contrary, with my increasing age I do realize, that the forming family and getting a job cannot be only achievement of life. For me even the people, who raised children successfully without contribution to progress wasted their lives, because the pure reproduction will not move us forward as a civilization. It just consumes the resources, which aren't infinite. We are destroying or life environment step after step, despite we are willing to admit it or not. Therefore the overunity research is also important with respect to protection of nature and life environment for our children. But the research of overunity can be also a big scientific motivation and fun. For me it's a scientific research in its crystalline pure inquisitive form, in which every of you can actively participate and become a frontier of progress in this way.

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I believe that as we reach 23-24 years old, smart people like zephir and others we would like to get instant scientific recognition and be millionnaire and forever safe in our overunity hiding lair somewhere in the mountains.

You would die way before its first replication, not to say acceptation. The verification of heliocentric model has been delayed by 160 years, the replication of overunity in electrical circuit has been delayed 145 years (Cook 1871 (https://www.google.com/patents/US119825)), cold fusion finding 90 years (Panneth/Petters 1926 (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/cber.19260590860/abstract)), Woodward drive (http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00665932) 26 years, EMDrive (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=36313.0;attach=809343) 18 years and room superconductivity (http://www.seminarsonly.com/electrical & electronics/Ultraconductors.php) finding by 45 years (Grigorov 1984).

Why the hell are you believing, you would be recognized and celebrated faster? The human ignorance has no limits and its spans multiple centuries. And you just illustrated one of mechanism, in which this ignorance works.

Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: Zephir on April 14, 2017, 01:38:47 AM
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your response of wanting to spend other people's money was very troubling

I'm not sure, what are you talking about here. For me the overunity research is human activity like any other and it can be vastly optimized in its current state. The mainstream science still fucks this branch of research, so that we must help themselves. We must organize the exchange of information better, we must organize our experiments better and we must get rid of trolls, who are boycotting this effort - all at once. The clueless twaddling at anonymous forum doesn't work well  - it actually converted the overunity.com into a brake of further progress. The western word (which drove the overunity research in the past) became decadent - now the private companies and anonymous Russian and Asian guys got more progressive in it, than this western forum.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: ARMCORTEX on April 14, 2017, 01:51:38 AM
Dont be crazy now zephir. Taking life decisions on world war 3 and overunity is very up there in crazytown.

Your odds of achieving overunity are quite low, and the odds of world war 3 is pretty low also, its all fearmongering.

You should prepare to for eventual normal future without world war 3 and without overunity like normal person.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: Zephir on April 14, 2017, 01:55:33 AM
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You should prepare to for eventual normal future without world war 3 and without overunity like normal person


These "normal persons" did pass through two world wars already (with 100 million causalities in total) and they damaged their life environment with their "normal future" heavily. So I think, it's time not repeat the same mistake third time. This is not a fear mongering but an application of precautionary principle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precautionary_principle) and risk management approach. Not accidentally just the USA (which didn't have war on their territory for 200 years) are spending into arm race so much.

"Si vis pacem, para bellum". The ignorance of war risk is the most reliable way how to start with it.

In addition - as I'm getting familiar with overunity research more and more - I'm just getting an impression, we managed to ignore thousands of findings and patents without any attempt for replication, so that the 20th century was actually a century a immense scientific ignorance, despite the undoubted progress in technology. This is just getting plain silly.

If you want to live without overunity, what the hell are you doing and looking for right here? Don't you feel schizophrenic a bit? The people who are calling for ignorance of overunity just at the forum named OVERUNITY.COM should be immediately banned from there, as they're missing (and actually intentionally disrupting) the very meaning and purpose of this forum - we have enough of naysayers outside this forum anyway.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: h20power on April 14, 2017, 04:21:45 AM
I'm not sure, what are you talking about here. For me the overunity research is human activity like any other and it can be vastly optimized in its current state. The mainstream science still fucks this branch of research, so that we must help themselves. We must organize the exchange of information better, we must organize our experiments better and we must get rid of trolls, who are boycotting this effort - all at once. The clueless twaddling at anonymous forum doesn't work well  - it actually converted the overunity.com into a brake of further progress. The western word (which drove the overunity research in the past) became decadent - now the private companies and anonymous Russian and Asian guys got more progressive in it, than this western forum.


I was talking about the Arm guy as this is what he posted back to me as a response to me telling him to get a loan so that he could move forwards. Here read it for yourself:
[/font][/size]I prefer to put other people's money where my mouth is, I have calculation overunity and hard design, I need other person's money. 30% is something I am happy with.[/size]I need big money person, who gambles this type of money on a weekly basis.As for your hydrogen hobby, as I have told you time and again, the buck stops with Stan's brother, Stephen, and I have the circuit here for you to pursue the patent wich was rejected. Stephen knows better, he has saved nuclear reactors and is top engineer. If Stephen lied, then all is a lie, you lose either way.I believe I have an old PCB file for this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f80CdFTf6f4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f80CdFTf6f4)
For as you can see this is not a proper answer for someone telling him to take out a loan.[/font][/size]
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: ARMCORTEX on April 14, 2017, 05:05:16 AM
H20power you have wasted 30k on failed concepts, and you have nothing, all you have is excuses and small bubbles.

I have never seen smaller bubbles than what you showed.

That was not worth 30k
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: h20power on April 14, 2017, 06:21:05 AM
H20power you have wasted 30k on failed concepts, and you have nothing, all you have is excuses and small bubbles.

I have never seen smaller bubbles than what you showed.

That was not worth 30k


With this said I think it's time you climb back under that rock you climbed out from for in your own words you have stated you have given up so do so already! Like I said no one has time for your type of comedy right now.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: ARMCORTEX on April 15, 2017, 12:22:02 AM
H2Opower,

Go learn how to design electronics, go learn how to build things.

All you have learned is how to solder schematics from Stan Meyers. You have studied the pseudoscientific book of Stan and now you think you know something? You have been misled, you have studied nothingness and wasted money and time. You know how to make under unity and tiny bubbles, at your conference you were acting like you had a full fledged Meyers over unity  production but your high voltage produced tiny bubbles, very tiny and small balls of hydrogen.

The money of beginners, amateurs, and rich people is better spent by somebody with a good and practical brain like myself, who has trained himself to be practical and self sufficient in the building of electro mechanical devices using the most modern technology and proper methods, of course all the money should go to me and not a half wit like you.

Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: h20power on April 15, 2017, 02:51:21 AM
Zepher, What exactly are you doing? I took a brief look at some of your post and it seems to be some sort of water for fuel technology or did I miss something? Anyway I hope you are prepared for the long haul as bringing something to market isn't all that easy to do these days. Mostly you have to find the market for your wares as without any demand the idea will always fail. If you have no plan to go to the market then you don't understand fully how the markets work, but you won't be alone as most people in these Open Source forums don't understand how the markets actually work.


Open Source truly only works for things that do not require any physical materials like programs and things like that. If at any point something has to be built then the market rules kit in and things must be brought in bulk and made in mass to bring the per unit cost down. I find that it's people's ignorance of these rules that messes up the whole thing as they simply will not come together to make something positive happen as a group and instead choose to act as individuals pretending that the market rules simply do not apply to them. This dream world mentality along with the rip-offs people, and cheats make it so Open Source always fails as it treats things like a competition to which the primary goal is to get money and not achieve energy independence. It becomes a world where everyone is in it for self and care for the common good of humanity gets tossed out the window. This Arm guy is a perfect example as he is a lair, a cheat, and in general a totally mean person whom primary concern is only for himself and thus stepping on the little guy becomes a way of life for people like him and they do it regularly and without any form of feelings for those they deem lesser than themselves. They don't understand the bases of what it means to be a caring person as their world has only dollar signs in it and anything that gets them more dollars is worth their time. They will do all kinds of bizarre things for money even sellout their own mothers and fathers if the price is right. The problem is there are far too many of them that flock to these Open Source forums in search of a quick buck and do all they can to prevent people from coming together to work as a team for the common good.


I have run into so many people like him that I have lost count but I understand that it is the entire monetary system that breeds people like this as they align themselves with the goals of the bankers. Like the bankers they will side with both sides of any war as they stand to profit from them and live for the feud.  It's sad but it is what the current monetary system breeds.


Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: Zephir on April 15, 2017, 03:10:06 AM
Lets separate the problems, whether the free energy is working and/or whether the free market with free energy is working.
It has no meaning to discuss later without having the former - but not vice-versa.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: Dog-One on April 15, 2017, 03:55:44 AM
Years ago I would participate in Gary Hendershot's Smart Scarecrow show and he would routinely ask guests of his show, "How long until I can buy such a device on the corner endcap at Walmart?"

The simple answer is never, because it is a suicide mission to even try.

Here in a nutshell is how the markets work:   Big fish eat little fish.

Guys like Elon Musk know this.  They know they are little fish.  You have to charge a Tesla, Inc. car up before you can drive it.  Only a complete fruitcake would think otherwise.

So Ed, take my advice, please, if you get your system working as a true undeniable over unity device, best thing you can do is hook-up with Nelson Rocha's employer.  Those folks can at least provide you some cover so you can continue your research and development.  You go public and I promise you will be crushed like a bug.  The big fish of the markets absolutely will not tolerate disruption to their system.  These boys buy and sell countries like kids with baseball trading cards.  Anyone that gets in their way will be eliminated from the pages of time, quickly, severely and irreversibly.  This is their world, their playground, not ours.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: ARMCORTEX on April 15, 2017, 04:32:12 AM
There is not over unity research team, there is none of that.

There is insecure clueless groups of people that get together and still there is no results, then the pettyness starts, then there is leeching and ego and arguments.

I work alone, and I pay things with money, never my money, there is not enough of my money to spend on experimentation as there is priorities.

If people like H2Opower spend 30k and get loans from the bank that's their problem.

Its not about reaching the market, in the case of H2Opower, his technology is useless and not sound economically.

I never wanna see people like H2Opower with water engines,
Its scary, the way he acted and showboated with those small balls of hydrogen makes me scared, what if he had big balls?

Overunity belongs to a very select group, a very responsible and wise group who will not abuse or showboat.

You don't see a master Jedi go out there in the street and start to use force powers just to feel good, such characters are not even fit to learn the ways of the force to begin with, for uninitiated force user to have it is immediate danger.

Do you want Kim jong in to attack us with water fuel speed boats?

You sir H2Opower are a very dangerous individual.


Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: ARMCORTEX on April 15, 2017, 06:17:34 AM
But honestly tho, H20 power, show me 30k worth of gear.

I think you are full of shit, I think you axagerate everything by 10x your painful road to Stanley Meyers commitment.

Come on... That aluminum tube, that cell... I don't even see 3k there.

I wanna see what's behind your company, I wanna see pictures of your product and why you think it should become a company.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: pomodoro on April 15, 2017, 07:11:29 AM
You, me and everyone else would exaggerate too if we spent 30k to make a few bubbles from 100w input. Fark, I'd be running from the bank or the hells angel debt collector.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: ARMCORTEX on April 15, 2017, 07:26:28 AM
And I am very nice man

I just don't like people on this site, you wonder how much % would try to steal from me if I had technology in front of them, would they pull out a gun a threaten me?

The very nature of such technology means that there can be no friendship on this site, for researchers this site is also bothersome as there is only people that want to socialize all the work and its always very amusing to see those people squeal and praise then insult you.

When it comes to working technology, a man will praise you one day, rob you the next.



Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: h20power on April 15, 2017, 11:00:22 AM
Years ago I would participate in Gary Hendershot's Smart Scarecrow show and he would routinely ask guests of his show, "How long until I can buy such a device on the corner endcap at Walmart?"

The simple answer is never, because it is a suicide mission to even try.

Here in a nutshell is how the markets work:   Big fish eat little fish.

Guys like Elon Musk know this.  They know they are little fish.  You have to charge a Tesla, Inc. car up before you can drive it.  Only a complete fruitcake would think otherwise.

So Ed, take my advice, please, if you get your system working as a true undeniable over unity device, best thing you can do is hook-up with Nelson Rocha's employer.  Those folks can at least provide you some cover so you can continue your research and development.  You go public and I promise you will be crushed like a bug.  The big fish of the markets absolutely will not tolerate disruption to their system.  These boys buy and sell countries like kids with baseball trading cards.  Anyone that gets in their way will be eliminated from the pages of time, quickly, severely and irreversibly.  This is their world, their playground, not ours.


Trust me Matt I have a plan that I am following. I have taken all the right steps towards getting started on what I am doing as I have had a very long time to think about the right direction from which to get started in. Sure these big wigs can throw their weight around but they are finally starting to die off of old age and now they are focusing their attentions on trying to figure out a way to cheat death. The major break for me came when I left the Open Source community or that is to say gave up on them as they are no true friends to technologies like these as they act more or less as true enemies on the old monies payroll. I mean just look at the numerous post that people make that basically try and tell someone like me that they are wasting their time and money and should just give it all up. And you don't have to look far as they are posting like mad right now.


This is the truth of what I learned that allowed me to head in the right direction as I had to stop looking for support in places like these for trust me it will never come. All you will find in places like these are people telling you to give it up or you need to start looking over your shoulder as they attempt to toss fear in the mix to try and get you to stop what you are doing. I have seen it all in these forums that are supposed to be a place where people come together for the betterment of mankind but instead they are only places that try to get you to stop what you are doing for the most part.
Matt you got to witness them in action with your own eyes as they moved to stop me from getting the group to act as one so we could take advantage of how the markets work and all get the same basic equipment from which to work on together as a group. Any move that I'd make to try and get people to work together for the greater good would be quickly put down by the forum moderators and other not so friendly members. Even when I posted the actual science behind the technology which fills in some of the many wholes Meyer left out of his many lecture videos the information is treated as if I had handed someone some trash to be put in the garbage.


If you ask me it took me far too long to realize just what these Open Source forums were all about as I wasted far too much time in trying to teach and show people just how this technology actually works time that could have been spent on building up the company as I have been doing ever since I gave up on the Open Source community. This is where I wasted a lot of time in places like these I even went as far as to help a few people out financially when I could afford to do so. But it was all for not as those very same people turned on me as the lies there were being fed by the large ego people sounded just so dam good and I ask you where are they all now? Gone with the wind and the money that people donated to them was just a big waste as most of them just gave up or moved on to something completely different. They put on great shows for people but that's all they did was provide people with a bit of entertainment as most of them are long gone now and/or still putting on shows for people but on something totally different than what they started out doing or on things that truly have no real importance towards the larger picture of us trying to end this system of energy enslavement. They are nothing but distractions that keep people feeling happy with what seems to be their lot in life in being a slave to the energy sellers. Yeah, I see things pretty clear now.


That name that you mentioned trust me when I tell you this I will steer as far away from them as I can as my trust level is ultra low in dealing with gentiles now. My trust now is in the creator and that is where it will remain for all time if anything to say about I have. The only thing I have left for forums like these is a small bit of hope that one day the people in these forums will wake up and start working together as one for the greater good of the poorest among us.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: Dog-One on April 15, 2017, 11:54:49 AM
I get what you are saying about OpenSource Ed.  To be honest though, most everyone in these type of gatherings have been beaten over the head with how things work--standard classical electronics and engineering.  They have the lumps to show for it.  I know I do and I was one of those asshats at one time when someone would show up and tell me that I'm all wrong or say things I never read in any prescribed book.  Now I know a good part of what I thought I knew was indeed all wrong or at least missing huge valuable parts.  It's been hell on earth trying to unlearn some of this crap and start fresh with a different perspective.

My feeling is that one day you will be successful Ed.  You will in fact fully achieve your goals.  Since I have probably burned my bridges with you, I'm content to sit back and just pull for you.  I realize now that it's never too late to learn something new and watch someone do the impossible by my standards.

Do drop me a note from time to time and never be afraid to ask a question.  Maybe I can spot what you're looking for from a different angle if you get hung-up on something.  Four eyes are better then two right?    :)


M@
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: AlienGrey on April 15, 2017, 02:53:30 PM
I get what you are saying about OpenSource Ed.  To be honest though, most everyone in these type of gatherings have been beaten over the head with how things work--standard classical electronics and engineering.  They have the lumps to show for it.  I know I do and I was one of those asshats at one time when someone would show up and tell me that I'm all wrong or say things I never read in any prescribed book.  Now I know a good part of what I thought I knew was indeed all wrong or at least missing huge valuable parts.  It's been hell on earth trying to unlearn some of this crap and start fresh with a different perspective.

My feeling is that one day you will be successful Ed.  You will in fact fully achieve your goals.  Since I have probably burned my bridges with you, I'm content to sit back and just pull for you.  I realize now that it's never too late to learn something new and watch someone do the impossible by my standards.

Do drop me a note from time to time and never be afraid to ask a question.  Maybe I can spot what you're looking for from a different angle if you get hung-up on something.  Four eyes are better then two right?    :)


M@
Go to Youtube and look up Eric Dollard GO THROUGH ALL HIS STUFF or forget FE for ever !!!
Also Donald Smith vids are a good place to go too, but please close the door on your way out on Zerhyr and don't let him out! ;) PS do you know what long waves really are ?????????? PS Neo D magnets are nothing to do with Nelson's device!! they are kids toys and belong here in the classroom !
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: ARMCORTEX on April 15, 2017, 05:09:40 PM
Don't dodge H2Opower,

Show me a far away picture of what is it you spend 30k on, I don't need details.

If after 7 years and 30k spent, no return on investment, its time to move on in life. Tenacity is a good thing sometimes, other times its a fools errand.

Why does it always have to be about hope, teamwork? Its about results, and individuals becoming knowledgeable about science, practical in engineering practice, then maybe it could be a hobby.

First you learn at your own speed (but not too slow),amath, modern software, electronics, software, hydraulics, rf and microwave science, chemistry. You can't learn everything obviously, you pick and choose. Then you get a job, then when you have time over unity.

These all in moves  are nothing but moronic, overunity is not a proper way of life, to live for this quest is destructive.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: Zephir on April 15, 2017, 05:20:14 PM
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after 7 years and 30k spent, no return on investment, its time to move on in life. Tenacity is a good thing sometimes, other times its a fools errand

The findings which are moving progress forward are getting increasingly complex and difficult to comprehend. This looks logical, because the Nature doesn't gives its gifts for free. But because the life-time of people remains limited, this may become one of barriers for overunity research. Such a complex and paradigm changing research requires increasing effort and coordinated life-span of multiple people for successful bringing it into market. The lone inventors working in diaspora are therefore limited not only by amount of available resources - but also with length of their productive life and volume of information, which they can process in a single moment.

Unfortunately just the people who dedicated their life to a single idea - and the idea of such immense market potential in addition - aren't very willing to share the know-how with their peers, for cooperation the less. The selfishness of individuals plays too well with greediness of government and energetic lobby in this case. This in part explains, why so-many overunity findings didn't survive their inventors. Which may also bring the false impression for skeptics, that there is something systematically wrong with all these findings at once - and the vicious circle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiral_of_silence) of pluralistic ignorance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralistic_ignorance) will get closed.

So, whereas I can understand your resignation and desperate attitude, you shouldn't transfer your lost of faith to another newer members of this forum here. You should leave it in silent dignity (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19774-basic-free-energy-device.html) and not to reside here for attacking more determined followers from pure jealousy. Too many senior members of this forum already started here to rationalize their lack of success on overunity field and they converted into less or more hostile patoskeptics in this way. The elderly elephants know well, when they should separate from crowd for not to become a brake of its further progress.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: ramset on April 15, 2017, 06:58:09 PM
Zephir
I see you present Kanziuos work in your water arc thread ?
you are aware that his work used incredibly high input power to do this ?

not even close to OU, nor was that his claim ,he was looking for cancer cure?

and many members here did replicate Naudlin's work too [I believe Pomodoro was one]

it would be better to share new developments than copy paste things here which have been gone over many times ?

I will not post in your threads [keep them free of distractions from your purpose]

You have shown No work of your own ? nor where experimenters here went wrong in their attempts.

honestly it seems there are very big holes in your knowledge of topics here,
are you learning on the run?
trying to show some value here ?,


over men who actually have done experiments and can see right thru you?? ??




 

Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: Zephir on April 15, 2017, 07:26:29 PM
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not even close to OU, nor was that his claim ,he was looking for cancer cure?

Overunity wasn't actually Kanzius claim, but one of prof. Rustum Roy, who did replicate his experiments at Pennsylvania State University in more quantitative way (1 (http://www.currentscience.ac.in/Downloads/article_id_098_11_1500_1504_0.pdf), 2 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1477.0;attach=8033)). His technology wasn't successful as a cancer cure - actually I believe, poor Kanzius got leukemia just from his experiments, which decompose the water into hydrogen and hydrogen peroxide. Peroxide isn't best cure of cancer (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3180186/) in general. Recently Petros Zographos (https://www.reddit.com/r/Physics_AWT/comments/5r4gqf/hydrogen_and_free_energy_generator_from_petros/) presented very similar technology - just with using of higher frequencies - so I've no reason not to believe in Roy-Kanzius claims concerning overunity.

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I will not post in your threads - keep them free of distractions from your purpose

And I'd really appreciate it.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: ramset on April 15, 2017, 07:51:03 PM
Zephir
I spoke with Petros late last year, asked him why his hydrogen flame was so "lazy and yellow" ,asked him if he could drive his motorcycle into one of the 160 auto emission centers in his country and give us a print out [gas spectrometer]

all I heard was Crickets....and "call my lawyer"....
it was asking too much to drive the scooter into an emission center for proof??

yeesh.......



Zephir
your playing games here, we can all read the newspaper ....



Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: ARMCORTEX on April 15, 2017, 07:59:25 PM
Beware of that zografos character.

It seems like a wall of oscilloscopes is rather extreme. Everything surrounding him is made to look like...but looks can be deceiving. Let us be patient and see what information we get, its a NO TOUCH for me until he comes up with info, as he says he is trying to save the world.

I worked in an rf lab and there war probably 5 pieces of equipment, on a big bench, I worked there but I don't understand rf, I read a bit about it. For a team of engineers 5 pieces. Nothing like his wall, it seems to me like he has too much.

Zephyr, its time for you to go hit the books and let time pass and see the progression, I learn hard math with cheat software, wxmaxima and scilab, I test simple schematics with ltspice. All free, I learn electronics by Google. There is much books about microwave engineering. Are you ready to assimilate? Get yourself strong in the areas of science and stop reading about inventors. Before you go in battle you must train with the sword, gather items, gain exp. Right now I see a good player but just lvl 1, very weak char.


Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: Zephir on April 15, 2017, 10:13:37 PM
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it seems to me like he has too much

Too much oscilloscopes - this is the most hilarious objection I ever read from patoskeptic - and I've already read some...
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: ramset on April 16, 2017, 04:27:00 PM
Zephir
I see you take posts from a generic thread which was started so we could understand what you are truly trying to teach here?

and you pile them into a topic which you started on water arc ?

Did you ever ask persons  not to post there[your water arc topic ??

??

In my opinion you have shown ZERO reason to moderate here ,you are not a builder .

Stefan has never put a copypaste  OU newspaper reporter
in charge of moderating builders.

or is it theory which you choose to moderate ? with no experience beyond what you read?? ....or that we can all read anywhere in a 5 second google search?


that is beyond Odd!!

if it wasn't so odd it would also be funny....
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: Zephir on April 16, 2017, 06:11:32 PM
I don't want to moderate builders - but to protect readers and posters seriously interested about overunity research from verbose clueless trolls, who are systematically polluting and diluting this forum with posts oriented to individual people instead of facts. The fact you're doing experiments doesn't mean, you cannot be clueless regarding overunity in similar way, like some very last troll here. After all, mainstream scientists are doing experiments all the time - does it qualify them for research of overunity?
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: ramset on April 16, 2017, 08:30:00 PM
Well
this is moving in a direction now ,I was honestly confused.
so you want to be forum " OU topic police" ??

I still believe it would be a good example to show an OU topic which you believed can be discussed here /or experimented with here.

you do realize that the level of contributors here goes from "extreme Novice"
to "the skies the limit"

showing any true anomaly here would be a good start ?

IMO you have gotten off to a bad start
 your Quote "OU is easy""

left us with great expectations....

??


Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: h20power on April 16, 2017, 08:30:19 PM
I don't want to moderate builders - but to protect readers and posters seriously interested about overunity research from verbose clueless trolls, who are systematically polluting and diluting this forum with posts oriented to individual people instead of facts. The fact you're doing experiments doesn't mean, you cannot be clueless regarding overunity in similar way, like some very last troll here. After all, mainstream scientists are doing experiments all the time - does it qualify them for research of overunity?


With this post I am going to totally disagree with you as the primary problem with forums like this is people don't make use of the scientific method. The scientific method demands that experiments be performed in the real world and not just in someone's head. One must observed the experiments to be able to see what works and what does not as after all good observations is good science. This is the primary reason why most people choose to dislike me as I simply will not listen to anyone that doesn't follow the scientific method. The rise of these arm chair scientist that never make it to the lab to perform real world experiments have zero voice in my world as they haven't been there and they haven't done that. I understand full well that it is ego and pride that drive people to want to be heard even though they haven't performed even one single experiment on the topic at hand.
It always makes me laugh when someone tries to tell me what I am seeing in my experiments when they have performed none. They don't have a properly made cell, no voltage intensifier circuit, and no pulsing circuit, plus any of the proper measuring equipment to be able to see what is taking place with their experiments it they have ever gotten that far. I have seen people claiming to be putting 50kv to their exciter arrays but don't have a differential probe from which to measure any voltage in these isolated circuits. They get real mad when I call them on it but I do so for good reason as if they are getting 50kv to their exciter arrays and it isn't working then Meyer's statement of the working voltages for an exciter array being between 10-20kv is bogus as they are some 30kv over what is stated to be the working voltages for this technology. So, someone's telling a tall tale, yes? I have to check these people as if they go unchecked they work toward preventing anyone from ever being able to solve this technology.
How can someone honestly say Meyer's technology doesn't work if they haven't applied 10-20kv to an exciter array built to Meyer's specifications? Thus anyone that makes the claim Meyer's technology doesn't work and they haven't placed a high voltage potential difference on the plates of an exciter array built to Meyer's specifications is a straight out liar. I don't care who is making the claim that the technology doesn't work for if they haven't reach this stated working conditions experimentally to see if it will or will not work then they have no grounds for their claims that the technology doesn't work.


I remember before I actually showed the world high voltages actually being applied to an exciter array people were saying it was impossible to do such a thing because they couldn't do it. If I remember correctly the highest voltage being shown applied to an exciter array prior that event was no more than 400 volts and the vast majority of people were only getting between 5-12 volts from their voltage intensifier circuits being applied to their exciter array. Then I come along and show between 3.4- 4.2kv being applied to an exciter array with all the right tools for the measuring those voltages and the event was recorded for the record. I did the impossible that day and the backlash of people rising up against me was sickening. People still thought it was impossible and went out of their way to prove that I had somehow cheated and wasn't applying those voltages to the exciter array. Each time I would improve upon my work and show even higher voltages being applied to the exciter array their anger towards me for doing so would increase.
These people's anger towards me was from pure jealousy and envy in that I was doing something they said was impossible or something that they themselves couldn't do. I mean just look at the stupid comments by this pomodoro guy stating that I have no gas production. Well, here is a news flash. Even though I am getting higher voltages than anyone else working on this technology I still haven't reached Meyer's stated working conditions for this technology being between 10-20kv being applied to an exciter array with ten resonant cavities wired in series. So, the truth be told I don't even know if it will work or not but I can't say that it doesn't until I actually reach these working condition voltages Meyer stated will get this technology working properly. But having actually reached 9.4kv being applied to an exciter array shows that I am the closest thus far to being able to prove if it works or not aren't I? Plus the science I uncovered that is behind this technology shows very clearly that if I manage to reach these voltages the water molecules will be broken down by way of ionization for it is already taking place in nature each and every day on this planet someplace. Even the very plants that we look at on a daily basis are breaking the bonds of the water molecules in this manor. Thus your statement that basically states that someone not performing any experiments word should trump the word of those that are performing the experiments is a false statement.


So, why do any of you reading all of this think so many people are upset at me for? Just what is it that I have done to them to warrant such poor treatment from them? Now I already know most of the answers to these questions but would like you to now show your answer to these questions.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: Zephir on April 16, 2017, 08:35:05 PM
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I am going to totally disagree with you as the primary problem with forums like this is people don't make use of the scientific method... The scientific method demands that experiments be performed in the real world and not just in someone's head.

This is just what I want to learn people here: the scientific method based on falsification of theories (https://explorable.com/falsifiability). But you didn't study the scientific method carefully enough: the experiments are indeed inseparable part of scientific method, but they must be planned and carried out in specific way: i.e. for falsification of theories. The true scientist always does the experiments, yes - but he does them in organized way in cognitive cycles (see bellow).

First you should have some idea, what do you want to get and how to get it - just after then you should start with tinkering and with experimentation. Opposite trial&error based approach may occasionally work too - but it's not scientific method already. Today you can find something interesting just by pure accident - and frankly, human life becomes too short for such a blind attitude, because most of things, which could be invented with random testing ala Edison have been already invented.

From this reason I cannot also appreciate the credit of people, who are doing experiments cluelessly or who just blindly imitate others, supposedly more successful ones. I already presented here multiple strategies, how to increase the probability of finding of gold at places, which were thoroughly outmined and exhausted already.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: h20power on April 17, 2017, 03:27:08 AM
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This is the scientific method. How it works takes a lot of time, money, and effort to follow it correctly. Asking the question sometimes is easy, but as Meyer always pointed out "One must ask the right question." My question(s) was this; Is it possible that these people, since more than just Meyer did something like this, figured out a method of breaking down the water molecules outside of Dr. Faraday's electrolysis method?
Research on what do we already know is a part most people totally fail at with this technology. My question; "Is there something taking place in nature that is already doing this?" I found two things in nature that are already doing this each and everyday on this planet and even shared those findings with the group.
I then formed a Hypothesis based on what I found and read in the patents on the requirements necessary to make this technology work found in the patents which stated that the working conditions for this technology is for each resonant cavity a minimum of 1000 volts of potential difference must be applied before the process of getting the atoms that make up the water molecules, IE, hydrogen and oxygen atoms start to eject their electrons takes place and/or starts to happen.


Now comes the truly hard part getting things ready for testing. You will need a lot of test equipment and things must be built correctly to a very high degree of accuracy. You will need to get a differential probe capable of withstanding these voltages, an oscilloscope, a power supply that provides a variable DC voltage output that is designed for pulsing systems, and learn by way of trial and error how to go about building the pulsing circuit, voltage intensifier circuit, and the exciter array. Thanks to Don Gable we have the spec's of the resonant cavities Meyer used as well as some of the specs of the transformer and pulsing circuit. But knowing all of this doesn't teach one how to actually pulse it or just how the waveform should actually look. For this one must be able to read and discern just what they are reading and seeing in all of his patents and lecture videos. Most that I have seen working on this part of the technology failed at this as they just took to looking at the pictures and never actually bothered to read the contents of the patents or they simply could not understand just what it was there where reading take your pick as one of the two things happened.
People soon found out that building an exciter array properly cost a lot of money and they tried to take short cuts and/or make changes to a technology they didn't fully understand yet. But not only that they were looking for the wrong waveform on their oscilloscopes as they only looked at the photos found in the patents and most of them showed a waveform with a positive only voltage potential. If they only took the time to actually read the words it states very clearly that there is to be a positive and negative voltage of equal intensity. Now I have had entire threads telling people that I am wrong about how the waveform is actually supposed to look and when I took them by the hand and showed them just where in the patents did it say there was to be a positive and negative voltage they weren't all that happy about being proven to be wrong about their assumptions about this technology.
In fact building any of this technology will prove to be on the costly side if it is to be built properly as they will be "One-offs," which is the most costly way to go about making anything. I built and tested many different designs of exciter array, circuits, and VIC transformers and the cost of doing this was very high, but the scientific method demanded that I do things the right way or give up. In all of the things I built the VIC transformer is the hardest to gain an understanding of as many of them will have to be built based on trial and error of the results each different transformer will reveal when tested on the exciter array.


If you build the exciter array that has copper wire or some other metal other than 304/316 SS in direct contact with the water it is doomed to fail as the copper ions will readily go into the water bath which will make the water conductive. If there is a way for the exciter array to reach a ground state it will take it as remember this is to be an isolated system and great care must be taken to ensure it remains an isolated circuit so any circulation pumps that have metal in direct contact with the water will provide a ground path for the isolated circuit to flow in, thus no charging of the resonant cavities will take place. If you don't get an differential probe again the ground of the oscilloscope will provide a path to ground for the isolated circuit to take and it will fail to charge up the resonant cavities.


As you can see most people fail at this due to not thinking just how to actually go about testing this technology out properly. They don't know how it is supposed to be pulsed, they don't know what the waveform is actually supposed to look like and the list of things that they do wrong are far too many for me to want to type out here and now. Most people in these forums that attempt to solve this technology simply put are not up to the task at hand mentally, physically, and financially. Mentally most people I see working on this technology aren't prepared to fail and learn from those failures as they missed the part of the scientific method that states what is expected that this technology do experimentally. I have seen them build one transformer after another completely the same and yet expect different results from each of those transformers they built. Now that is the very definition of insanity but these are the people that I have had to deal with in these Open Source forums. So, naturally I gave up on these people as they simply aren't all there mentally.
You see we already have the working conditions for this technology and thus the question is when I reached this voltages what will actually happen? Right now no one, not even me, can answer this question experimentally. But as I stated these mentally unstable people don't handle failure all that well. They don't have the capacity to sit and read and the mental training to understand what they are reading. Like children they jump to the picture section of the patents and expect they will gain all they need to know from just looking at the pictures. They form clicks with other like minded people and move to push anyone's views that do not agree with theirs out of the forums. Ask them to perform real world experiments and they turn around and tell you that they don't need to. Asked them to make use of the scientific method and they tell you to shove that method where the sun doesn't shine. Show them results that they as a group have concluded are impossible to be possible and they again push to have you removed from the forums. I am one of those whom they have pushed out of their forums many times as I showed them what they collectively deemed impossible to be possible and they don't take kindly to anyone that proves their theories to be factually incorrect. Thus that interview of me taken at the 2013 Global BEM was a hefty slap in the face for them as here was someone actually placing a high voltage potential difference directly to a container filled with water which they had collectively concluded was impossible and openly stated Meyer must have been lying about placing such high voltages to the water molecules.


Most of them can't conceive that the scientific method is just a tool designed to help provide answers to things that are unknown to us. Most of the love to ask the question but hate to have to be the one that has to answer those questions. They want things handed to them on a silver platter completely free of charge and will at times even demand that someone like me build what we have built for them for free and ship it too them for free. They know nothing of the cost involved and when told honestly about the cost can't imagine how the monies got spent as they are also totally lacking in the ability to imagine things in context. How much does an a good differential probe cost? How much does a good power supply cost? Will I run into any minimum buys or minimum makes? They have no idea as they never leave the drawing board to actually move towards building anything. They just sit and type away on their keyboards expecting that that alone will solve these types of disruptive technologies. They can't tell the difference between an opinion and a theory. And most importantly they never asked the right questions as in the patents we all were given the working conditions for this technology but since they never read that they assume there is no question like this that needs to be solved experimentally. Sadly forums like these are filled with people like this that operate on a level of diminished capacity mentally each and everyday of their lives without getting the help they need to correct their mental problems.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: forest on April 17, 2017, 09:51:39 AM
I do believe it is not about breaking the water molecules. There was two guys also who did the same : one was Daniel Dingel and the second one is still alive , both were from Philippines.
Meyer could just convert water into pure gas state without breaking much molecules.



1 mole of water in liquid state occupy 0,018 dm3
1 mole of ideal gas occupy 22,4 dm3
it's 1244  more space, almost like a  steam. So it can be called cold steam.


I have nothing more to say, I'm not much interested in this technology so far.




Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: h20power on April 17, 2017, 11:12:46 AM
I do believe it is not about breaking the water molecules. There was two guys also who did the same : one was Daniel Dingel and the second one is still alive , both were from Philippines.
Meyer could just convert water into pure gas state without breaking much molecules.



1 mole of water in liquid state occupy 0,018 dm3
1 mole of ideal gas occupy 22,4 dm3
it's 1244  more space, almost like a  steam. So it can be called cold steam.


I have nothing more to say, I'm not much interested in this technology so far.


Just so you know I use to speak with Dr. Dingle prior to his death. He told me back then I was on the right track and to keep up the good work. In fact I have looked over practically each and every inventor's work dealing with this water for fuel technology and have found the common part to all of them except the Joe Cell one as it works quite differently than the other technologies do.


I posted the science behind the patents on this forum already and would suggest that you take a look at it as my findings are from how nature goes about breaking the bonds of the water molecules which are far more efficient than Dr. Faraday's electrolysis method. Those pdf files are as far as I am willing to go on aiding people to understand this technology.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: Zephir on April 17, 2017, 04:02:24 PM
Nearly all devices involving water were reported with overunity, if we order them by energy density scale:

1) free flow wheel (Bhaskara)
2) bubble buoyancy generator (GAIA ROSCH and older ones)
3) cavitation heaters
4) water combustion engine (Meyer)
5) dozen kHz water membrane generator
6) 13.56 MHz radiowaves (Roychowdhury, Kanzius (http://www.rexresearch.com/kanzius/kanzius.htm))
7) 2.5 GHz microwaves (Vaks, Zographos (http://rexresearch.com/zogrifoselectrolysis/zogrifos.html))
8 ) 0.6 - 200 MHz discharge (Energoniva (https://www.reddit.com/r/Physics_AWT/comments/5mwz98/energoniva_a_water_plasma_transmutation))
9) low voltage/high current discharge (Brilliant Light)
10) plasma electrolysis (Mizuno, Bazhutov, etc.)


If these devices all work at least under specific circumstances, then there is low probability, that the very same mechanism will be involved at all these cases. I can see some similarity between negentropic behavior of magnetic domains in ferrite OU devices and small bubbles (oversaturation, hysteresis and size dependence).
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: ARMCORTEX on April 17, 2017, 05:55:06 PM
H2Opower,

You have been posting the truth about HV electrolysis now for 7 years and complaining how nobody gives a shit. You say your methods need money, but you say you spent 30k already. How expensive does a stainless tube cell and coil need to get before you have what you need, confirm or deny and move on. Its not about moderators or your greedy backstabbing partners...If you had worthwhile results those small problems would be far behind you. The fact that you keep throwing this around and play the victim shows that you are weak and emotional type researcher.

So convicted fraudster, conman and manipulator Dingle said you were on the right track? Congrats...

Seriously are you this dumb? I knew you were dumb but I am surprised now.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: ramset on April 18, 2017, 03:54:38 AM
Arm
you don't have a dog in this hunt, typing and Simulating [what you do] is not the same as real time experimenting..... to follow a path or theory as complicated as Ed's path.
you have no frame of reference for this [time and costs]? so you mock it ?

 Ed,
as the TinMan mentioned.. HV electrolysis  is always on the menu somewhere.

wishing you success , no doubt you have put the work in ,and no doubt even those you feel
may not be in your corner ..
are still hoping your work is successful  .

respectfully
Chet K
PS
to Zephir
whats this Simulating program for OU concepts ?

a Joke or serious ??

also a discussion board which Zephir has asked the Boss to start for him here
http://overunity.com/17237/aether-wave-theory-as-an-emergent-model-of-observable-reality/msg504609/#new








Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: ARMCORTEX on April 18, 2017, 06:22:28 AM
This beef is between me and H2Opower, step aside.

This man challenged me on a forum 7 years ago, now he must pay.

He tried to belittle the importance of Stephen Meyers, that cannot go unpunished.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: Zephir on April 18, 2017, 08:01:39 AM
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This beef is between me and H2Opower, step aside.

This forum isn't dedicated for punishing anyone here.
Just use PM for solving your private issues with another users. It's designed for it.

Quote
This man challenged me on a forum 7 years ago, now he must pay

How to spot a psychopath: he never forgets his grievance...
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: h20power on April 18, 2017, 08:42:51 AM
Thanks Ramset as what you said is truly what stand up men say. But as I wrote these people are not playing with a full deck of cards, they'er sick, and they need mental help. They are insane and their method of experimentation proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt. Like this Arm guy, zero experiments but all the answers, and all he needs is $6000 to make it all happen. They do nothing and after all these years since my time on Ionizationx before I got banned the first time this sick man still has absolutely nothing to show for over 7-8 years of work. No prototype, no high voltage, not even a properly built cell, transformer, or driving circuit, nope people like him have nothing at all but a sick mind that needs professional help as they are sick.


When I spoke with Dr. Dingle I took a different tact in that I didn't ask him for anything and instead told him what I had figured out about this water for fuel technology at that time in my research. It took him by surprise and he opened up to me just a little bit even offered me a ride in his car when I went to the Philippines in 2010. I really enjoyed the talks we had together as he explained how it all began for him to me. My wife had to translate for me at times as I couldn't understand him for his ascent was on the heavy side. He told me many interesting stories about his life and I am just glad to have had a chance to know such a wonderful man whom only wanted to better the lives of his people.


I really wont respond to this Arm guy again as I recognize he needs professional help as it's clear he ain't all there. I'd be willing to bet if I didn't have all this military training he's the type of person that would make an attempt on my life just so he can save face in front of people that truly despise him. He performs all of his experiments in his head and probably even makes experimental observations never leaving the seat of his chair or taking his hands off of his keyboard. Nope he just sits in front of his computer trying to dream up new and inventive ways to get rich even if it means he has to scam a few rich guys to do it. I truly feel sorry for him as 7-8 years is a long time to hold a grudge on just a theory that has gone unproven by him. All he truly has is a mind that is in the need of professional help.


When he hears that I actually did what some people thought was impossible, IE, actually putting a high voltage potential difference directly to a cell filled with water he gets all bent out of shape instead of happy that at least someone is making actual progress in the right direction according to Meyer's own statements of the actual working conditions for this technology. But I thank you Ramset for your kind words of support as they come at a time when all the hacks seem to be gunning for me to fail as they are throwing in the towel on this technology and want no one left behind that will contradict anything they have left behind. This technology is both simple and complex at the same time as some of its concepts are new to the world of science and others are old and well known. You don't have to worry about me as I truly don't pay people like him any mind as I understand their minds are operating with diminished capacities probably due to something in the water or being dropped on their heads when they were babies.


I'll keep at it as I can see the light at the end of the tunnel now, plus I have come too far to turn back now. So many R&D test under my belt do I have now in learning how to get the voltages up with these VIC transformers. So many failed experimental trials but with each and every failure I learned more about this technology as I kept asking and answering questions by way of actual hands on experimentation just as the scientific method has us to do. I can be wrong 1000 plus times but I only have to be right once.
Again thanks for the support as it is much appreciated.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: pomodoro on April 18, 2017, 03:04:20 PM
This beef is between me and H2Opower, step aside.

This man challenged me on a forum 7 years ago, now he must pay.

He tried to belittle the importance of Stephen Meyers, that cannot go unpunished.


You, Sir, are either crazy, or know how to dish out some fn  good dark humor.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: h20power on April 18, 2017, 05:43:15 PM

You, Sir, are either crazy, or know how to dish out some fn  good dark humor.


Pomodoro I don't think he is all there as if his theories where heading in the right direction he'd be willing to invest his monies on himself instead of openly desiring to use other peoples money. My question to him would be, "If you aren't willing to invest in yourself why should others be willing to invest in you?"


As for you Pomodoro I hope you understand my comments above as I just wanted to let you know I haven't reached Meyer's stated working conditions for this technology yet as I am still failing to learn. But with each failure I learn more about this technology. I do understand that it works by way of "Ionization" which gives me something that we do understand, like an air ionizer, to compare it too. I understand that if I take an air ionizer and don't provide enough voltage to it too reach the ionization threshold for the oxygen atoms that make up the oxygen molecules the device will not produce any ozone. So, if I don't reach Meyer's stated voltages that this technology works at then I shouldn't expect any gas production and my experiments do in fact show this to be the case right now.


If I swing the waveform out of resonance it will start to produce some gas but when I put it back in resonance the gas production stops as there is no more current flowing through the water bath. At 9.4kv the current flowing through the water bath was just 0.6 mA. I let it run for two days straight taking temperature readings and I found out that the transformer will get a bit warm even hot but the exciter array will just follow the temperatures of the day in these conditions. Since I didn't reach Meyer's stated working conditions for this technology it was back to the drawing board for me as clearly I wasn't doing something right for I wasn't reaching the correct voltages. I understand that not until I reach these voltages can I say and/or know if Meyer was telling the truth or not. Based on my experiments I can say that one can place a high voltage potential to the water molecules with Meyer's voltage intensifier circuit but beyond that I can say one way or the other if the technology truly works or not. It would seem Meyer was telling the truth thus far but since I haven't reached those voltages he states are to be the working conditions for this technology I simply don't know for sure if this technology will work or not as I am a bit far off from Meyer's stated maximum voltage of 20kv being placed on the exciter array. But from what I have seen I believe him but to be sure that he is telling the truth I just have to reach those stated working condition voltages for this technology. We all do as until one of us actually reaches these voltage we haven't a pot or a window to throw it out of concerning if this technology works or not.


Based on the science I have uncovered about this technology I believe it will work but if I fail to reach these voltages I hope someone out their will figure out what I failed too do to reach those high voltage potentials being applied to the water molecules. Like I said I can be wrong a 1000 plus times but I only need to be right once and this holds true for each and everyone of us working on this technology.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: Grumage on April 18, 2017, 08:30:37 PM
Dear h20power.

May I ask a simple question?

I spent nigh on 2 decades with the supply industry (UK) involved with HV distribution. Our voltages were 33 and 11 KV.

Is it the frequencies that are causing your problems? All our transformers and switchgear worked faultlessly using Transformer oil as an insulant, obviously at 50 HZ.

Kind regards, Graham.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: Dog-One on April 18, 2017, 09:57:05 PM
Using logic (the basis of the scientific method as I understand it), we have some knowns and unknowns.

Right now Ed is able to achieve a 9400 volt potential difference across his resonant cavity (10 cells).  We
think something in excess of 10000 volts is necessary--1000 volts per cell.

Without changing anything else but the cell count, what happens when you apply the VIC across nine cells?

What happens when you apply the VIC across eleven cells?

These two tests are what I would consider testable experiments.  My hypothesis is the voltage should drop
in both cases because ten cells are as close to tuned to the VIC as is currently possible.  My curiosity comes
into play if for either one of the two tests above, my hypothesis is incorrect.  If voltage goes up with one
more cell or one less cell, then we know with pretty good assurance the VIC is not tuned where we thought
it actually was.  The answer to this takes us to another step--do we modify the VIC or do we instead,
modify the dimensions of the cells in the exciter array.

The third option is what happens if the voltage goes higher with nine cells and eleven cells?  Indicating
that ten cells is actually the poorest tuned arrangement.


Anyway, if what I have just laid out is not the principal of the scientific method, then I'm at a loss as
to what this method actually is.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: pomodoro on April 19, 2017, 02:22:03 AM
Dear h2O, thanks for your clear explanation and honest words. I very much wish you success in this replication as you have clearly done a lot of work on it.  I've already mentioned how it is impossible thermodynamically to split water into both gases by any means, even by your proposed ionization method or any yet undiscovered means.  Its due to the first law of thermodynamics and is manifested in chemistry as Hess's law.  Sometimes I feel like a prick saying all of this, you know, when somebody has done all of the work and some jerk has to thow a comment like this in, but that is what could be your OU obstacle. On the positive side, you do have a chance of greater than 100% efficiency if there are no losses in the new electrolysis process because of the entropy gain. But here you need to fight the losses in your electronics.  Anyway, you know all this, so no more negatives from me, and the best of luck as you might find something new , who knows!
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: h20power on April 19, 2017, 02:53:49 AM
Dear h20power.

May I ask a simple question?

I spent nigh on 2 decades with the supply industry (UK) involved with HV distribution. Our voltages were 33 and 11 KV.

Is it the frequencies that are causing your problems? All our transformers and switchgear worked faultlessly using Transformer oil as an insulant, obviously at 50 HZ.

Kind regards, Graham.


Hi Graham,


For the most part I think its due to the secondary being an isolated circuit for it's actively seeking a ground and will often arc from the chokes to the primary or pickup coil. I don't think the transformer oil is a strong enough insulator anymore for this tech I will be using a resin for the next bit of testing. Water doesn't like being charged to these high voltages and like a thunderstorm will send a lightening strike to a ground source so great care must be taken to prevent this from happening. With the last test I ran a diode shorted out and the transformer was just fine. But again I personally think it's due to the secondary side of the transformer is an isolated circuit and perhaps I need to learn to build the transformers a bit better. I'm doing the best I can with what I have on hand and like I said I don't think the transformer oil is a strong enough insulator anymore as the voltages are just too high for it now.


For Dog-One, if you remember I had 12 capacitors wired in series at the 2013 Global BEM. I have already ran test like those before and noted the physical part of the voltage intensifier circuit as a whole. Look at the exciter array as a load being placed on the transformer. If you increase the load on the transformer the voltage will go down and if you decrease the load the voltage will go up. But there is another relationship that one must consider in that the coils capacitance must always be higher than the capacitance of the exciter array. Each cell taken out of the series array will increase the load being placed on the transformer and increase the cells capacitance. If the capacitance of the cell is higher than that of the coils then it will not charge up very well if at all. Most of this I did by pure trial and error with no calculating much of anything. I'd observe what took place when changes where made and would always move towards the results that gave higher voltages to the system as a whole.


Remember what Meyer said about increasing the length of the chokes increases the amount of voltage being applied to the exciter array. You must understand this relationship to be able to design the transformers better as you move along bettering your results. Like I said I have a lot of failures from which to draw information from. These transformers are very hard to understand as there is far more things that can change the resonant frequency or load capability of the transformer. The capacitance is a physical property of the area of the coils verse the area of the cells and their relationship to one another being wired in series. Meyer also states in the patents that the reactive XL must always be higher than the XC. These are relationships we need to learn by hart as they are the core part of learning how to go about designing the transformers correctly.


And just so everyone understands when I say I placed 9.4kv potential difference on the exciter array it means 4.7kv positive and 4.7kv negative voltage ±20 volts with normally 20 volts more positive than negative voltage. In the pdf file I go over just how the waveform is supposed to look like and why it is supposed to look that way. I feel its the greatest gift I have ever given to the Open Source community but like is said before it's like I handed Open Source some garbage to be placed in the trash from how everyone treats the information given in those two pdf files. I show just where in the patents I got the information from and show the science behind the technology with not just one example but two different examples of nature breaking the bonds of the water molecules in the exact same manor as many others did to include Meyer with this water for fuel technology. Basically I filled in the blanks Meyer left out in his many lectures on this technology.
The problem is people that didn't read much of anything and just rushed to look at the photos. For if you pulse it incorrectly you can make it have just positive voltage but if you are also taking current readings going through the cell you will notice that the more even the positive and negative voltages are the lower the amps will be flowing through the water bath.
Max Miller and I got into some very heated arguments on this topic as well as some of Ronnie's people but Max would hide most of his results by not taking any temperature readings of the cell over time or any amp reading of the actually amperage that was flowing through the cell. If the cell starts to heat up there is amps flowing through the water bath. I even ran a comparison of our two waveforms, which were the same despite they didn't look the same, to show what happens when the load is too great for the transformer to handle as Max had just two resonant cavities hooked up in series and I had 10 hooked up in series. Other than that our setups were practically the same. But in spite of all that people would tell me that our waveforms were nothing alike which to me didn't make any sense as how could we have different waveforms if we had our setups hooked up the exact same way?


Anyway every time I was compared to one of those people the vast majority would side with them over me. It was back then I knew people simply were not reading the patents or performing any of their own experiments. Every time I'd show just where in the patent it stated I was correct in what I was saying or doing they would still side with people doing things all wrong. So I did a bit of self evaluation and determined it was more than likely due to me being a black man for it's really no different when looking at how people hated Obama for going golfing but have no problem with Trump doing the same thing. So slowly but surely I backed out of Open Source altogether.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: forest on April 19, 2017, 12:09:27 PM
Water is anomaly - check chemistry. Correcting this anomaly  brings water to the "correct" gaseous form at natural state (at 20 degrees,normal pressure) . That's all about it. Somebody called it HHO.
Look for inventor Eleazar Veneracion from Phillipines (I think so)
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: Acca on April 19, 2017, 10:00:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6MPRuwVz6Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6MPRuwVz6Y)[/font]
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: ARMCORTEX on April 20, 2017, 07:34:15 PM
My research for Meyers was deeper than both you and Max, conclusion: Likely it was misrepresented and is it worth following the brother of misrepresented? I was gonna finish the circuit and offer it as a board 500$ a pop for a stable amplifier to investigate the claim of resonant electrolysis. My theory is that financing by the people is my right, your money would be better placed if you let me do the experimentations, naturally it was a hard sell since it was heard to convince people that Stan was probably confused and it his brother said so in the interview.. Unfortunately, I had bothersome wannabees on the other side trying to sabotage my economics due to me selling wire before that. You idiots were in my way on that road that lead nowhere, bothersome H2Opower's and the like claiming to be onto something... I needed at least 2000$ to build the cell exactly how I wanted + other things, audio transformers with wide bandwidth. And then I would have attempted a proper Stephen Meyers replication, and fully taking into account everything.

He camouflaged normal electrolysis in high voltage high resistance system but in the end all is just normal electrolysis

His sytem work with regular slightly impure water and causes less heat, but less gas, its just a trick of wording and he sold ALOT.

So you are just on square 1 still, and what happened to the "gas processor", you never even touched it lol. Still you got that picture I saw 7 years ago. At least that would have made sense if you explored things on this avenue ala Herman Anderson but it seems nothing happens when you spend 30k on research with Bank's money. I would never invest in a dummy like you, you have no plan whatsoever on how to complete a single component.

You are too slow and you wasted too much time. Nobody is ever gonna listen to you, I would have banned you immediatly, you are not the man in charge, anything you say amounts to being wrong as it regards to efficient electrolysis of water.

I rather listen my Cat's view on Stanley Meyers than you "explaining how it works". It dont work, its fraud...



Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: h20power on April 20, 2017, 11:54:51 PM
My research for Meyers was deeper than both you and Max, conclusion: Likely it was misrepresented and is it worth following the brother of misrepresented? I was gonna finish the circuit and offer it as a board 500$ a pop for a stable amplifier to investigate the claim of resonant electrolysis. My theory is that financing by the people is my right, your money would be better placed if you let me do the experimentations, naturally it was a hard sell since it was heard to convince people that Stan was probably confused and it his brother said so in the interview.. Unfortunately, I had bothersome wannabees on the other side trying to sabotage my economics due to me selling wire before that. You idiots were in my way on that road that lead nowhere, bothersome H2Opower's and the like claiming to be onto something... I needed at least 2000$ to build the cell exactly how I wanted + other things, audio transformers with wide bandwidth. And then I would have attempted a proper Stephen Meyers replication, and fully taking into account everything.

He camouflaged normal electrolysis in high voltage high resistance system but in the end all is just normal electrolysis

His sytem work with regular slightly impure water and causes less heat, but less gas, its just a trick of wording and he sold ALOT.

So you are just on square 1 still, and what happened to the "gas processor", you never even touched it lol. Still you got that picture I saw 7 years ago. At least that would have made sense if you explored things on this avenue ala Herman Anderson but it seems nothing happens when you spend 30k on research with Bank's money. I would never invest in a dummy like you, you have no plan whatsoever on how to complete a single component.

You are too slow and you wasted too much time. Nobody is ever gonna listen to you, I would have banned you immediatly, you are not the man in charge, anything you say amounts to being wrong as it regards to efficient electrolysis of water.

I rather listen my Cat's view on Stanley Meyers than you "explaining how it works". It dont work, its fraud...


Your sick and you need professional help and you need to check yourself in to be evaluated at a mental clinic. If you think I prevented you from doing something you are doomed to failure as that is a sign of mental instability in blaming others for your own personal failures in life. In 7-8 years time you haven't built what it is you wanted to build that is on you. This $30k I spent is looking at all I have spent since 2006 when I got started into this research which averages out to just $2,727 per year and it's my own money from which I am free to spend it on what every I feel like spending it on. But you seem to have a problem with people spending their own hard earned cash as paraphrasing you it would have been better spent on you. Even you have to start to admit that your elevator doesn't seem to go all the way to the top floor with this line of thinking you have.
I get help from people as they can see I am willing to invest in myself and they can also see that my story hasn't really changed much over the years. They can also see that since I got started on this I have improved much in my goal of reaching Meyer's stated working conditions for this technology, IE, 1-2kv of potential difference per resonant cavity. In my very first attempt at this technology I go a little over 300 volts to be applied to one of the exciter arrays that I built. I did so at a time when everyone around me were only getting 5-15 volts with their setups. With many failures I learned how to get the voltages up with these VIC transformers and I began to understand the science behind the technology. My major breakthrough came in 2012 and after a years wait to save up to pay for the minimum buy from the transformer core company upon receiving them and testing them out for the very first time at the 2013 Global BEM I went from 1.2kv to 4.2kv being applied to my exciter array. But that did not reach Meyer's stated working conditions for this technology so as the scientific method has us to do I went back to experimenting and studying. After I made a new VIC transformer I made it to something like 5.6kv. I studied what was going on through a lot of math, and good observations of the transformers performance and when I made a new one made it to 7.5kv, and I repeated this process over and over again reaching 8.0kv, 8.2kv, 8.4kv, 8.8kv, and then to my new high of 9.4kv. This is how the scientific method works. But you have a problem with this as I am spending my money on my own experiments and getting closer to the goal of reaching Meyer's stated voltages needed for the working conditions of this technology.


Everyone that saw the interview video of me at the 2013 Global BEM saw my partners circuit which is far cheaper than $500 bucks being used to power up this technology and you know what Meyer said about this in that the one with the cheapest method is going to win out so I guess you have a beef with him too which further shows you need to be mentally evaluated by a professional. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWhQusfWuac&t=479s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWhQusfWuac&t=479s)
And furthermore your statement of Meyer's technology being a fraud is totally unfounded as you have never reached his stated working conditions for this technology and thus have no bases for you accusations. So, in laymen's terms, "You don't have a pot or a window to throw it out of!" Seriously, you need to get mental help as something is wrong with your mind.


If in 7-8 years you haven't built what it is you wanted to build that is on you and only you and only a sick individual would go around blaming others for their failure to build something with that much time elapse. So, let me do a bit of math for you, you state that you need $2k and lets divide that by 7 years and see what's the amount of money you would have had to save to have your $2k. $2000 divided 7 equals $285.71 per year is all you would have had to save and your going to try and blame this on me and others for your failure to save the money you need? Dude you really need help as you are missing quite a few marbles if this is how you think.


As for the pace I keep what concern is that of yours as I have a family to raise and saving money thus can sometimes be a challenge but I manage to get the job done to the best of my abilities to do so. Besides being mentally unstable your problem is you don't know how to work for what you want. Your parents did a poor job of raising you if how you see the world is thinking that everyone in it owes you something and thus should be paying your way in life. Grow up and seek mental help already as in this world us poor folk have to work for the things we want and if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen! But the fault of your failures on this technology and as a man are with you and you alone so don't go around blaming others for your failure to prioritize your monies so that you could build the things you wanted to build as 7-8 years is a long time to still be sitting behind your keyboard still just typing away with no real work to show for what you believe in. Seek mental help as trust me you need it.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: pomodoro on April 21, 2017, 02:31:41 AM
Its not too hard to go bananas when investigating OU. Its mentally very tough.  There is another guy who  claimed to have made great progress with this technology. Chessnyt, haven't heard much from him but he claimed to have hit the jackpot.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: h20power on April 21, 2017, 04:02:15 AM
Its not too hard to go bananas when investigating OU. Its mentally very tough.  There is another guy who  claimed to have made great progress with this technology. Chessnyt, haven't heard much from him but he claimed to have hit the jackpot.


That's a name I haven't heard of in a long time. From my observations of people working on this technology if they fail to make use of the scientific method most of the time they will resort to making claims that they can not substantiate, and I have seen others that are so afraid to fail that they never start. The scientific method has failure built right into it as whom ever came up with that method knew that at once you don't succeed try try again. At first I too was a bit afraid to fail due to how many people on the forum responded negatively to peoples failures. But over time I learned to simply ignore them as they have no idea how the scientific method actually works. It's truly called, "Failing to learn" once you understand it's concepts. It is a very long process most of the time but it makes one follow a form that will lead to a solution most of the time but not all of the time. I understand that failing is a part of life and if one is afraid to fail they will never succeed.


Thanks to how I was brought up I am practically immune to pier pressure and will do what ever it is I was intending on doing no matter what people are saying. What truly gets under my skin is when people don't do their own work but think they have something important to say about the subject having absolutely no real world experience from which to work from. I even gave these type of people a name calling them, "Arm Chair Scientist." This is what truly gets under my skin most of the time as they will also resort to doing a lot of lying just to try and make themselves seem important in front of others. I remember one such guy that told everyone that he was getting 50kv to his eleven cell exciter array after I had showed the group a photo reading of 7.5kv being applied to my cell. Now I knew he was full of BS but had to figure out a way to cleverly trick him into telling the truth. I ask a few questions about his stated voltages as to what probe did he use to measure it. After a little time had passed he finally responded that he didn't have a differential probe so I talked him into starting a crowdfund so that we could help him get one. He was so excited to be getting some money that he completely forgot about what he had said to the group about getting 50kv to his exciter array. I went ahead and put in $50 bucks to help him get one and a few others pitched in and he ended up getting the 30kv differential probe. He was so excited that he told of his actual voltage that he was applying to his exciter array. It was at that time I posted his words of getting 50kv to his cell just to make himself seem to be doing better than me in front of the forum members. I also took the time to inform him of Meyer's stated working voltages for this technology and pointed out that he's claims were some 30kv over Meyer's stated maximum for a working system. It was the best $50 bucks I had ever spent as I had to prove him wrong for if his claims were in fact true then Meyer was a fraud and the science I uncovered suggested otherwise.


It took him a while to catch on to just what I had done to him but in the end he did get the tools he needed to actually be working on this technology as I thought it was the least I could do to help out someone that seemed to have his heart in the right place. Plus I got what I wanted which was the truth to be told so as I said for me it was a good way for me to spend my money as I spent it on getting at the truth while helping out someone that was less fortunate than myself. Yes, I went through all of this to get at the truth as that is just how serious I am about this technology. Honestly I was going to try and help out this Arm guy a little but once I saw that response of desiring to spend others people's money other than to use his own I was done with him as that to me is a clear sign of a scammer. I have a way at getting the truth out of people and now we all know he needs mental help as something is wrong with him on the inside that requires the help of a professional skilled in the art of mental assistance for the mentally challenged among us.


For me the truth will out as that is exactly what I set out to do with Meyer's work prove once & for all if what he was saying was true or false and I can't do that unless I reach his stated working conditions for this technology, none of us can.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: Acca on April 21, 2017, 11:37:24 AM
Some one just posted my clips from years ago.. I distilled water 4 times and spin it in a centrifuge.. that is how..

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwa_qS-KA-c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwa_qS-KA-c)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3z545Sc3Mg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3z545Sc3Mg)
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: pomodoro on April 21, 2017, 12:16:17 PM
Nice vids ACCA. Are you saying that water in the bottle is storing way more charge than would mercury metal in the same bottle??
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: Acca on April 21, 2017, 01:32:57 PM
Please see this clip of L. Dawson on the capacitance energy storage in the electron shell.. The energy is stored in "plastic" as a general term.. water is just the the catalyst here of the stored charge in the water.. It's no trick to do this, however to understand why water is important it is to understand that plastics are charge carriers and not just simple "static" holders ..
In the future metal-less batteries made of plastic will prevail like super caps, and water will be the electrolyte. What you will NOT see is any "metal" in the water bottle and yet there is a plus and minus charge present.. As the water is discharged over time a potential charge will be replace the lost charge, not very fast.. Water is very pure, no D2.. Centrifuge water..
Right now may attempts are to duplicate P.Zographos.. and it's RF and "water treatment" ..

I am done here as there way too may (seniors) who I will rip me to shreds..  Personal message is the only way.. now..

You may want to see all his clips..

Acca..

p.s. There are NO clips of this duplication on YouTube anywhere.!!!. you are lucky to see this effect !! There is huge amount to be made here..
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXUohP67mzA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXUohP67mzA)
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: ARMCORTEX on April 21, 2017, 08:36:21 PM
I will not rip you to shreds Acca.

Just what you show here is better than a lifetime of H2Opower and his knowledge of Stanley Meyers book.

That book is the backbone of his scientific method and he can "explain to us how it works".

Perhaps the old man Zografos has something after all.

I just find it suspicious all this media hype and the TV shows and everything.

And we cant trust some german guy saying he does not regret his trip and feels happy that it works.

Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: pomodoro on April 22, 2017, 02:19:39 AM
Don't run as yet ACCA,  I'm not quite understanding your two videos. Did you charge the bottle like a Leyden jar and then removed the foil from the outside of the bottle?  Also, in your second video you say the charge is in the plastic not the water; that sounds like you're saying there is nothing special about water? Im  Confused.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: Acca on April 22, 2017, 06:18:08 PM
There is no metal involved you have to look at the ref. clip for the explanation just as Snake River Radiation lab explains the property of capacitance charge in electrons. (not accepted) I  am not the scientist here. Water is also altered to light water.   Forget about foils and Layden jars. Try Prof. Santilli and Danny Kline patent,  Rf water electrolysis. Stiffler SEC diode broadband transmitter. It's not simple water electrolysis and charging.


Acca.


ps you are luck I feel in the answering mood.....




Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: AlienGrey on April 24, 2017, 01:42:13 AM
Does anyone remember  Sequental.9 ??? and all the other reinventions ?????
is there a strange resemblance to this Zephyr guy don't you think ?

quote from October the 18th

That I am sir !

I don't hold back my name as you can find it in TPU THEORY Stephan attacked me again but I think in the end he will just leave me alone !

It looks like the same style to me !  I see only trouble ahead with this guy.
Title: Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
Post by: ramset on April 24, 2017, 03:42:43 AM
There is an elephant in the room and it is the Lies of member Zephir


I suppose he likes to play here with the members like little toys  ,he is having fun shuffling and categorizing..

He has told some very big lies here about the members , absolutely monstrous allegations ...........



Zephir
Quote
" Builders here at OU.com purposely hide OU results... so as to deceive ....
OU is simple they purposely hide it"
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@ Zephir
Grumage had to close the thread he started with Nelson's permission due to your lies and endless interruptions ,it was hoped that Stefan would respond so as to get it started again
instead
Zephir seized the moment to reboot the thread in his moderated board,

I am uncertain as to why Stefan has ignored this ?

if this is the new normal here [No TOS enforcement]

enjoy the Zephir, he's the new Boss [it would seem] .
http://overunity.com/17247/re-inventors-and-replicators-social-aspects-of-overunity-community/msg505338/#new

Zephir the Liar ....

Quote" Builders here at OU.com purposely hide OU results... so as to deceive ....
OU is simple they purposely hide it"


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I will try one more time to call Stefan tomorrow .